Another New Ball - Synthetic Plastic
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Topic: Another New Ball - Synthetic Plastic
Posted By: henningf
Subject: Another New Ball - Synthetic Plastic
Date Posted: 12/16/2017 at 4:07pm
Another new ball? Oh joy.... 
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 12/16/2017 at 4:37pm
| No 40+ ball can pla exactly like celluloid. But if it comes closer it is good. But this sounds like ABS. |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/16/2017 at 6:13pm
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Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 12/16/2017 at 8:00pm
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Nittaku Nexcel 40+ is going to be made of a new plastic, other than ABS. approval data October 2017, release data unknown as yet. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 12/17/2017 at 7:41am
| Interesting. |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 12/17/2017 at 8:55am
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What is the projected price $5.00 each ? You get what you pay for ! |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 12/17/2017 at 9:01am
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I love the title of this thread, "synthetic plastic"!!! I guess I am holding out for the organic natural plastic 40+ balls myself. |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 12/17/2017 at 12:52pm
Oh, behave!  ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
vanjr wrote:Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 12/17/2017 at 11:53pm
my blade is made with organic wood |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 12/25/2017 at 8:37pm
Butterfly is also advertising a new A40+ ball, new material, supposed to be shipping in February.
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Posted By: jk92
Date Posted: 12/25/2017 at 9:31pm
I've seen it for sale on ttnpp: http://ttnpp.com/store/3-stars/898-butterfly-3-star-ball-a40-39.html ------------- Timo Boll CAF Penhold Donic Bluegrip R1 Andro Hexer Grip SFX |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 12/25/2017 at 11:54pm
I'm pretty sure that A40+ ball is an ABS ball. It's probably to replace the G40+ ball that butterfly manufactures. The (G) in G40+ is for (G)arbage. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 2:27am
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Sanwei d40 ABS seamed balls are very popular in aliexpress. 6 pack costs 5 bucks+ shipping. ------------- Nittaku Tenaly Acoustic Inner Carbon Joola Rhyzer Pro 50 & 45 |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 9:01am
What kind are these I get from yinhe?  ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 2:36pm
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If it plays closer to Celluloid, it would be a win!! I hope so... ------------- 2010 Florida State Champion Dr. Neubauer Firewall Plus Blade with DHS G666 1.5mm on forehand Giant Dragon Talon National Team OX on backhand |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 6:40pm
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Problem is always size. Probably the most important reason 40+ balls play differently from celluloid is 0.5-1 mm larger diameter and 0.07 gram increase in weight. A new material won't overcome that. But some materials like cellulose acetate make things worse. Anyway, I'm looking forward to trying these. |
Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 7:01pm
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Ba'al, I think for those of us who play with tacky rubbers the material is quite important :) It'd be a shame to kill the tacky. The tacky is so fun. |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 12/27/2017 at 11:32pm
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Orange ABS? ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 12/28/2017 at 5:41am
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Yes ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: Medax
Date Posted: 12/30/2017 at 2:51pm
| Are those the huician balls? (Or however you spell it). From what yinhe told me, they are seamed balls. |
Posted By: Shifu
Date Posted: 12/30/2017 at 4:14pm
This is super interesting :) Looking forward to it!
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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 12/30/2017 at 8:41pm
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THE "THUMB TEST" IS A DANGEROUS THING. An essential observation with the ABS plastic balls, I recently happened to look up from YouTube.
Have you got the same experience? ------------- ------ 𝐖𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐥𝐥 |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 12/30/2017 at 9:23pm
| Any ball indented with a thumb is useless afterward. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 12/30/2017 at 11:24pm
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As a chopper, I prefer to "test" the ABS ball by my thumb and yes, I did make it roundless for my advance! ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 12/31/2017 at 12:44pm
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Oh, this is so exciting. I can't wait to try these new balls. Are they going to have spherical shape or the geniuses at ITTF intend to further develop the game by introducing a new, more complicated ball shape, such as truncated icosahedron? If we have balls of different shapes, ping pong will be so much more fun. You will never ever know where it's gonna bounce
------------- Darker Speed 70 Hammond FA Speed Tyotokusen |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 12/31/2017 at 7:20pm
This. Sarcasm is evolving at a rate to match the changes in material science and ball production. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 12/31/2017 at 11:14pm
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https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/12/2018_TWC_Prospectus_final.pdf Double Fish V40+ is a new choice for ITTF events. This ball has a big inside seam and more spin, as reported by Russian vendors. |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 01/01/2018 at 11:09am
| Argh! Just bought a 72 pack of the DHS D40+ balls (which I think are great) a few short months ago and now balls are coming out with new material. Good thing they didn't change the table! |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 01/01/2018 at 11:49am
No one actually knows when the new material balls are coming. There is 0 information about the Nexcel 40+ available out there except that it has been approved for tournament use. The 2018WTTC is using A40+ (which are ABS) and the World Cup is using V40+. I highly doubt we see the new ball before next summer. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: Eric Fountain
Date Posted: 01/01/2018 at 4:39pm
| The current ABS probably wasn't breaking fast enough for them. |
Posted By: Medax
Date Posted: 01/01/2018 at 6:28pm
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Does anyone know much about the Yinhe S40+ ball? So far I found that it's a "4th gen ball" and it appears to be a new ball? I ordered a box and the manufacture date was October 2017, so the date is definitely newly made, but does the "s" in the S40+ mean another new material? Thanks. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 01/01/2018 at 8:12pm
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No, if anything it's selected regular seamless. I'm not even sure they're any different or just marketed to the West. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 01/02/2018 at 12:49am
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https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/12/Balls_2018_01.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/12/Balls_2018_01.pdf New approval list just came out. Not many changes to note. Kingnik 40+*** is no more a competition ball. Sorry. |
Posted By: qpskfec
Date Posted: 01/03/2018 at 2:40pm
 Just got my shipment from Cole. I took several of the new balls and did a side by side bounce test with new D40+ and Yinhe seamless. This ball bounced just slightly higher than D40+, but lower than Yinhe. Played with the orange ball for about an hour. It was round. I usually play with DHS D40+, NP40+, and Yinhe seamless. After warming up we did a variety of serve/receive drills followed up by my partner chopping while I looped. Switched to D40+ and hit for another 30 min. Compared to D40+, this ball feels lighter and softer, trajectory a little more floaty. Less spin than D40+. D40+ has firmer feel and more arc in the air. The picture above is the used ball. I put a flashlight under it to see the seam. The seam looks slightly wider in size to the D40+ seam. The one hour used ball maintained the same bounce height as a new ball. Given the price of 50 cents per ball, I find these orange abs balls to be fine for casual play. One of the places I play is a community center rec room with poor lighting, so I can see playing with these balls in those conditions. In good lighting, I'll continue to play with D40+. This is a positive development. Whoever is making these balls for Yinhe has figured out how to make orange abs, so hopefully we will see higher quality orange abs in the future. |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 01/03/2018 at 7:25pm
I believe there were talks about it for more than a year. I have played with it and still have a box. Don't think it is much different than normal blue Yinhe 40+ in play. Released to market in May 2016 and priced higher than all balls from China. According to official words it is meant to be international version for export. It is 15% more durable and 10% more heat resistance. It is stronger, rounder and anti shrink. That especially suits the purpose of shipping through equator by container ships and less chance of damage by heat. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 01/03/2018 at 7:33pm
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Double Fish is the factory to produce this HUICHUAN ball in orange. They did also produced a small batch of DF V40+ in orange, marked with ITTF logo. Still pending for ITTF formal approval.  NOTE: Not all orange balls are alike. The best orange is Nittaku 40 celluloid, vibrant orange color, China-made orange balls do look some faded. |
Posted By: rsilvers
Date Posted: 01/10/2018 at 2:45pm
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These are listed as ABS and a low price: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07463Z14V/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2Z8WXH83LXGV I can't find any reviews - for some reason there seems to be little interest, even for multi ball or robot use. |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 03/14/2018 at 11:31am
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Minkow Shanghai always welcomes retailers. https://minkow.en.alibaba.com/product/60197745453-806199471/Premium_ITTF_approved_KINGNIK_brand_three_star_40_plastic_table_tennis_balls.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.prewdfa4cf.1.6f1e55ccBh8mZS" rel="nofollow - https://minkow.en.alibaba.com/product/60197745453-806199471/Premium_ITTF_approved_KINGNIK_brand_three_star_40_plastic_table_tennis_balls.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.prewdfa4cf.1.6f1e55ccBh8mZS  Minkow factory has just launched a new product. The KINGNIK PREMIUM ball (with seam) made of a new material, most probably of some ABS derivative. Manufacturers still keep trying for a better material, and all the internationally envolved players still hopeful for a better ball. We need a better material, some ABS derivative to mimic celluloid material better. HYDROSTATIC WEIGHING. MORE KNOWLEDGE, BETTER PLAY. I have just succesfully developed a scientific testing procedure, quite simple and reliable procedure, which can tell me what material any given pingpang ball is made of. It is quite simple, easy to do, it only needs an accurate digital scale and glass of water. And some brain work, of course. |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 08/29/2018 at 3:24am
ONE MORE SEAMLESS BALL ON THE MARKET. XuShaofa presents novelty product, seamless ball G40+, very special material somewhat different from ABS plastics. http://ttnpp.com/store/home/918-xushaofa-g40-new-seamless-table-tennis-ball-3-stars-ittf-39.html" rel="nofollow - http://ttnpp.com/store/home/918-xushaofa-g40-new-seamless-table-tennis-ball-3-stars-ittf-39.html |
Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 08/29/2018 at 6:21am
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Anything that's good, durable and cheap is not on the ITTF approved list. ------------- Darker Speed 70 Hammond FA Speed Tyotokusen |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/29/2018 at 9:43am
ordered a dozen last week, just out of curiosity
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/29/2018 at 9:09pm
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Not needed. Another type of plastic we should adjust to? Yeah, right. |