Dimitrij Ovtcharov - The Road to the TOP
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Topic: Dimitrij Ovtcharov - The Road to the TOP
Posted By: GECA
Subject: Dimitrij Ovtcharov - The Road to the TOP
Date Posted: 01/06/2018 at 12:17pm
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Posted By: Fulanodetal
Date Posted: 01/06/2018 at 1:42pm
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According to the available records, Dima and Ma Long have met 17 times. Ma Long has defeated Dima EVERY SINGLE TIME! FdT. |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 01/06/2018 at 2:43pm
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Yes, the road that conveniently had a lot of detours around the Chinese players, though not intentional. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: Chicobo
Date Posted: 01/06/2018 at 9:39pm
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To expand on what rocketman222 said with some statistics. There were 3 tournaments that both Ma Long and Ovtcharov both participated in. Those were: 1) Qatar Open where Ma Long won 2) World Cup where Ovtcharov won (with TB's spectacular wins vs CNT) and 3) China Open where Ovtcharov won (we'll leave an asterisk next to that one but I would say CNT shot themselves in the foot here) I'm iffy on whether DO is greater than FZD, but given ML's meager participation in ITTF tournaments in 2017 and the above results, DO deserves a higher WR when looking at just the 2017 season. ------------- Stiga Genesis x2 on Nexy Rubicon Galaxy Moon/Air Illumina Alpha on Andro Temper Tech Off- USATT 1620...Learning to play vs long pips |
Posted By: Fulanodetal
Date Posted: 01/06/2018 at 11:42pm
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Ma Long graduated last year and became a dad. I think that might explain to some extent his absence for the second half of 2017. I just read he was complaining from some injuries, however I can't verify. The new ITTF rules concerning ranking is a bit arbitrary although I don't disagree with it 100%. Olympic Gold Medal and other top achievements should be recognized. Yes Dima had a great year. Perhaps he should be #1 for 2017. But look at the record....even though they seem like friends, you gotta think Ma Long is a big thorn on Dimas side... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTmu0sSZgDc 2009 Yokohama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cozAWC_DMQo 2009 Danish Open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkoocYnH1pc 2009 China Grand Finals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX158E4UikM 2010 German Open , Berlin, GER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls7YLehvZBs 2012 Liebherr WTTTC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X7_hpeiTWA 2012 London Olympics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ0EJqR4h0k 2013 Qatar Open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK-IOwuuWB4 2013 China Open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwBXhuOTIX0 2014 ZEN NOH, Japan WTTC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdmHMtaEFg 2014 China Super League https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5be9Ygp1gY 2015, Portugal ITTF Grand Finals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qXv5LCylSk 2015 Liehberr MWC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0rTCnO4-Lg 2015 Sweden MWC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogiPZwOipNY 2015 German Open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqSsGFCJOY 2016 Qatar Open FdT
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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 01/06/2018 at 11:49pm
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At this point ITTF no. 1 doesn't mean too much until we get active participation down the road. Right now, ITTF no. 1 does not equate to best player in the world. Ma Long is widely considered to be either the best or 2nd best (behind fzd). I acknowledge that Dima had a great year, but everyone saw what FZD did to him at the grand finals. And if you look at the record: 0-17 vs Ma Long 1-3 vs FZD 1-6 vs Xu Xin this bears out that while he's Europe's best and a very very good player, he's not the best in the world. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 4:32am
How many of those matches were in 2017? ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
pongfugrasshopper wrote:Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 4:36am
Timo hadn't beaten Ma Long since 2010. Ma Long and Dima didn't play in 2017. Dima went 1-1 with FZD and 1-0 with LGY. The historical records are interesting but enough stuff played out over the last 6 months of 2017 that there was no reason to believe that Dima had zero chance vs Ma Long in that period. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 4:42am
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Yeah, the ITTF ranking system is utter nonsense. Shouldn't be taken seriously ------------- Darker Speed 70 Hammond FA Speed Tyotokusen |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 10:37am
============ I agree with you 100%. ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: Fulanodetal
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 10:38am
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"Dima went 1-1 with FZD and 1-0 with LGY. The historical records are interesting but enough stuff played out over the last 6 months of 2017 that there was no reason to believe that Dima had zero chance vs Ma Long in that period." It is of course unfortunate that Ma Long has not played Dima last year. To be fair, Dima did have a great last year, and I believe one of his last games against Ma Long was pretty close at 4 games to 3. The record shows that Ma Longs dominance over Dima is complete. 17-0. I will have to see Dima beat Ma Long not once, maybe 3 times in a row to know somethings up. I don't see that happening. Remember they are only one year apart in age as well. FdT
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 11:13am
I agree with you. My point is that you would have said similar things about Timo playing Ma Long as well this year and used the excuse that Timo had those wins when Ma Long was younger. So as damning as the record is, given that Ma Long lost to someone that Dima beat consistently and Dima beat two ther top CNT last Year, he did his job. Ma Long now has to do his. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 11:21am
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is Rating Central dying? I don't see the recent FZD-Dima game (German Open 2017). The tournament is still not rated after almost 2 months. Still, a few missing tournaments should not make much difference. Here are the real standings:
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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 12:25pm
======================== Ratings Central stopped carrying ITTF sanctioned events 3 1/2 months ago. ITTF and USATT have stable source of income, but not Ratings Central. My guess is that that is the problem. Carrying ITTF events need work, RC can not do that work for free forever. Ratings Central is dead when it comes to updating ITTF sanctioned events. ================= Here is that old thread about Ratings Central. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80739&KW=ratings+central&PID=1001581&title=ratings-central#1001581" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80739&KW=ratings+central&PID=1001581&title=ratings-central#1001581
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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 12:58pm
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I think the new ITTF system is a good idea since a similar approach works in tennis. BUT an alternative ranking system that is statistically valid must ALSO exist and be financed. ITTF could spend $500K/year (a wild guess) on Rating Central and force local federations to use it. Of course, if RC is promoted then nobody will appreciate the garbage rankings the new system spits out
 . So, RC must die  ------------- Force Pro Special 7ply FH: Fastarc C-1 1.4 BH: Tenergy 80 1.7 |
Posted By: WeebleWobble
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 2:05pm
| Do tennis players play often in leagues like table tennis players? |
Posted By: shinchan1506217
Date Posted: 01/07/2018 at 4:46pm
If you mean something like T2APAC or Champion's league which is not a part of an umbrella organization, no because ATP and WTA players have so many world tour tournaments to play in.
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Posted By: WeebleWobble
Date Posted: 01/08/2018 at 5:04pm
Right. I mean, this type of rating system would work if the ITTF was the only game in town. But most table tennis players make their money from leagues, and they don't have to sit on a plane for 12 hours before playing.
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Posted By: GECA
Date Posted: 01/09/2018 at 2:27pm
Thanks,it's a video made by me for ITTF.
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Posted By: Chicobo
Date Posted: 01/09/2018 at 6:12pm
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I personally like the new system but I feel the 'drawbacks' that are the cause of criticism are valid. What I would have liked to have seen is to have the new system be used to differentiate pro by level ranks such as Rank A (top 10 players), Rank B (#10 - #30), Rank C (#40 - #70WR). And then within each rank, have he players be sorted out with the old system. This way, it achieves what both sides want - more participation in ITTF majors (I definitely want to see Ma Long play more often) while retaining the subjective "skill" factor that people like by having more definitive player vs player records. ------------- Stiga Genesis x2 on Nexy Rubicon Galaxy Moon/Air Illumina Alpha on Andro Temper Tech Off- USATT 1620...Learning to play vs long pips |