Rhyzer 48 played in max (2.3) and 2.0mm sponge. 

Speed: Speed wise, the Rhyzer 48 is a very fast rubber. It is clearly faster than a Tenergy 05, its faster than a MX-P. It's also a little faster than an Aurus Prime but they are close in my opinion. I would not want to use this rubber on an OFF+ blade like a SZLC or some of the top-end ZLC blades...I think you'll just be hitting it long all the time unless you are a highly skilled player. One definitely needs to adjust the blade angle.

Spin: Lots of spin is generated on both slow and fast balls. I would put the spin generation on par with an MX-P and Tenergy 80 and slightly below that of a Tenergy 05 - but its pretty much the same level as an 05, especially on more powerful strokes (slower loops and serves, T05 still wins).

Control: As you would expect, anything with a 2.3mm sponge isn't going to be a control king. However, due to the combination of the thick sponge and the relatively high hardness of the sponge, it is much "more" controllable than other rubbers in this category. Compared with the Aurus Prime in 2.3 or the R47 in 2.3, the Rhyzer 48 offers significantly more control so place the ball and offers options for varied attacking. Chop blocks are fantastic with this rubber. Even when you are pressed and you need to use a creative escape shot, the rubber delivers. This was one of the reasons why the Aurus and Rasanter series was never a real consideration for me because it lacked that quality for my play style and level.

Trajectory: Long. Longer than a T05, longer than a T80, slightly longer than a T64. Slightly longer than the Aurus Prime, significantly longer than a Vega Pro. The great thing is that you end up hitting a lot of deceptive shots, lots of shots where the opponent thinks the ball is out but it still touches the line. If you can perfect your shot making, these will become scoring shots.

2.0mm vs 2.3mm: In 2.0, the Rhyzer 48 is an offensive all-rounder. What I mean with that is that its a fast rubber with good control characteristics and offers a great amount of speed. In 2.3, the Rhyzer 48 becomes a cannon. The speed you can generate quite frankly is hard to believe at first. I don't think I've ever played with a faster rubber that was usable. Once you tame 2.3mm, you are able to hit rockets past opponents that just outpace the average club player in terms of their reaction time/positioning time...BUT...you have to tame it, otherwise, you will hit a huge amount long.

Blades that go well with the Rhyzer: Anything that doesn't have a high throw angle and some form of carbon inside. I think if you pair it up with a blade with higher throw, the rubber will become uncontrollable very quickly - even for very good players (non-pro). I've had 2200+ rated players hit with it and even they struggled at first (usual blade TB ALC w. T05 and MJ ZLC w. T64's) to get the length right consistently.

I think the Rhyzer 48 is a great forehand rubber. Probably a great backhand rubber as well if you have the skill. I've tried the Rhyzer in 2.3 on FH and 2.0 on BH and it's still too fast for me on the BH where I might go back to the old, trusty MX-S.

I've played the 48 on both my old trusted Tibhar CCA Ultimate as well as the Joola Zelebro blade. Both in ST, 91g and 90g respectively.

 

I just swapped from R47 to Rhyzer and I think that R47 is much slower less spinny and A LOT easier to use (=better control). R47 is great rubber that does everything very well. Rhyzer is a first rubber which has actual feel of old speed glued rubber. Rhyzer remains me of good old days when I practiced quite hard and played with heavily glued Mendo Mp. When I was in great shape it was pure pleasure to play with Mendo Mp but when I cut down my practice hours it became too demanding to control. Rhyzer is really fast rubber which rewards your strong attack. If your game is based on avoiding mistakes then it´s not rubber for you. Whit Rhyzer you have to be active and try to finnish points with your own strong attack. Otherwise R47 is better suited for you.

  

Just asked Joola US dealer, they don't have it here yet..

Thanks

Can you share some info about Zelebro blade compared to other ZLC blades (Mizutani, Boll ZLC)?

Should be similar to garaydia zlc cos of hinoki outer. Lower quality tho

Compared to the MZLC (which I owned): Slightly slower, significantly more direct, lower throw, slightly less spin, harder feel.

I've imported it from Germany.

ps. I use Maze alc

Just as a warning to others - cut the rubber generously.

Price is $59.95.

Megaspin has them for $55 + 10% discount if you buy two, so $50 a pop.

Hi h0n1g, can you compare Rhyzer 48 vs O7Pro? In your opinion, can 07Pro work well on FH? Is 07Pro much softer than Rhyzer 48?

I've ordered a few Rhyzer48, O7Pro and Bluestorm Z1 sheets to figure out what shall work better with my blades. But any input from you shall help.

What is it for, time for the solvents disappear?

i didn't and i didn't read the package lol

Can the O7Pro work on FH? Yes, I'm sure it can. I'd say, people that have played the Donic M2 or M3 in the past will really like the O7Pro on the FH. For me, it won't work because it's too soft for my liking. The sponge on the O7Pro feels a lot softer to me than the Rhyzer and its overall slower - I'd say in terms of speed it's a decent chunk below T05 and definitely slower Rhyzer48.

I think the O7Pro can work well if you only ever brush the ball and you don't hit a lot - I also found the O7Pro less flexible in what sort of stroke you can put on it. Its great for top spin but not much else. However, I think it was yogi_bear who said it, its a VERY easy rubber to play...so as a BH rubber for me, its great because it compensates for less than ideal angles (I'm a lazy mover) which helps me.

Besides its speed, O7Pro would actually be a great rubber for intermediate or even new players....maybe on Def+/All blade? It reminds me of the Vega Europe but obviously with harder characteristics and more spin potential on full loops. 

Thanks h0n1g. Do your comments (about O7Pro speed) pertain to max or 2.0 thickness?

Is R48 so much faster? And controllable? How about the spin and throw angle?

I should have clarified. I have only played the O7Pro in 2.0 but I'm comparing it here to the 2.0 Rhyzer 48 as well.

O7Pro max: 3.99mm

Rhyzer 48 max: 4.5mm!!!

Could someone verify R48's measurements?

To me, upon initial inspection, R48 seems like a LOT like Bluestorm Z1 - right from pip structure to thickness of pores. O7Pro has larger pores and is clearly softer overall (most likely softer than T05 despite its 47.5 deg supposed hardness).

Same thing with Tibhar K1 Hybrid Pro Max thickness...My coach measured it with the DHS thickness tester and it went over 4.0. Another coach told me a lot of the new Max thickness rubbers go over the 4.0 thickness. You may have to let it air out a little to let it go down from all the embedded booster if you are playing any national level tournaments. For club level and local tournaments it should be fine.

Rhyzer 48, to me (right from initial inspection to practice play against a robot), seems to be almost exactly a Bluestorm Z1 but with added even extra booster to make it blatantly illegal in tournament play. Uber Monster rubber (given that Z1 was already a monster rubber). If you want to feel how a super-spinny speed-glued rubber feels, try this. I shall write more about any differences that I can find between the two after some match play.

IMHO, there is no reason to buy Rasanter R47 now - both Z1 and Rhyzer 48 are clearly superior to Rasanter R47. Tibhar Aurus Prime feels different from all of the above 3 rubbers and is still good (especially in topspin against topspin). However I like Z1 and Rhyzer 48 more.

IMHO, both are superior to MX-P as well (though MX-P is perfectly usable in today's environment - especially because it is cheaper than these newer offerings). Especially given that both are a few grams lighter than MX-P. Perhaps similar or slightly greater spin than MX-P. But easier to generate the spin (given Rhyzer 48's thinner topsheet).

O7Pro - I don't know. To me, it is clearly not in the class of rubbers like Z1 and Rhyzer 48. It sort of feels like a slightly better Bluestorm Z2 (which isn't saying much as I'm not a fan of Z2) but my opinion may change after some match play.

First things first: I would not classify this in the same hardness level as MX-P, Z1 or Rhyzer 48. It clearly plays softer (more like a 1/2 degree harder Omega V Europe).

Second, yes, coming from a rubber like T05, you'll find balls overshooting with O7Pro max. But that does not mean that it is fast - it is just that on certain kinds of strokes, it spins less and hence goes long. To me, there is no doubt that T05 still packs more power than the O7Pro (even if balls hit with T05 rarely go long).

O7Pro feels very grippy to touch. It plays fantastic in loop against underspin (ie: spin continuation). It plays only a bit above average in loop against topspin (ie: spin reversal).

To me, O7Pro is a bit too soft to use as a FH rubber (though I could get used to it if I tried) but perfectly usable as a BH rubber. It is not too light either: my 07Pro max was about 50g cut to a 158x152 blade (about the same as T05) after using 3 layers of glue on sponge and 2 on blade. Rhyzer 48 was 51.5g cut (so less than MX-P which is probably 54g cut on this blade).

Hope this helps,

To me, the smell does not matter (unless it smells fishy like the Bluefire series).

If someone does not like boosters in their rubber, there are quite a few still available to choose from (Mark V, Sriver and a few others).

I do have Rhyzer 48 (FH) and O7Pro (BH) on a OFF- blade. But yes, I have not used it extensively yet. 

very nice comparison

Thank you very much, slevin.

Are you able to give us a perspective how you may rate Rhyzm -p; compared to Rhyzer 48 ?

How much 'less' is Rhyzm - P ? 

Anyone ?

I took off those red R48 (max) / black O7Pro (max) sheets and replaced them with fresh black R48 / red O7Pro sheets on the same blade for 3 hours of match play testing. This time, I aired out the R48 before putting it on the blade.

The black R48 seemed a bit harder (perhaps because of some of that extra juice evaporating during the airing out phase) than the earlier red sheet. Recommendation: so long as you're not playing in a tournament where your racket shall be tested, don't air out your R48 - the feel is better straight out of the package (feels like a super-juiced H3 Neo national).

I wish I did not have conflicting results, but I have to say it like it is. The red O7Pro surprisingly was good - so I have to take back my bad-mouthing a bit (good thing I tested more than 1 sheet). I think I found out why (and it has nothing to do with the rubber): if one is using thin glue, make sure that the last layer on the sponge / blade is nice and thick. You learn something new everyday. It felt a bit softer and easier to generate spin with.

To me, this O7Pro felt a lot like if you took the Nittaku Fastarc G1, improved the topsheet (for plastic ball) and then put 3 layers of booster on the sponge. Except, perhaps, the thinner topsheet made it easier to generate spin with. Another comparison: Vega Japan with improved topsheet, 47 deg sponge (with the same large pores as the VJ has) and 1 layer of booster. I guess I won't be selling off my O7Pro sheets after all.

Again, the same conclusions regarding hardness apply: the MX-P, Z1 and R48 are at a similar hardness level & are substitutes of each other. O7Pro is not at that level - it is a bit softer and plays likewise.

Is O7Pro a Tenergy killer? It is not like the T05. Less spin, more stable throw (so better for non-advanced players). It IS like the T80 and I think I prefer this to the T80.

What about R48 vs T05? Not a good comparison as they play quite differently. R48 plays more like a super-juiced, nice, H3 Neo but with smashing capability in addition to looping.

So, my recommendation stands: if you're using MX-P and want to switch to something similar but better, O7Pro is not your answer. Z1 or R48 are. However, if you're using T80, Vega Pro, Fastarc G1 and need something faster & more suited to plastic ball (better grip), try O7Pro.

Nice going, ESN!

I haven't used Rhyzer, but I'm loving O7Pro at the moment and I very much agree with the above.  My comparison tends to be against Adidas P7, but G1 is similar and it's the same kind of end result I think.

From what I've read so far Rhyzer won't be for me, so thanks for the reporting (and to everyone else who's shared on this thread).  

Yes.

Throw: H3 Neo < Rhyzer 48 = MX-P < Bluestorm Z1

I don't think it does, but I think the sponge and the overall feel have the makings of something special.  I think the T64/T80 crowd will like it.  I am looking for something more like T80/T05 and it needs something to be harder for that to work.

Omega V Asia definitely.

I have played with it less than you have (a training session and 7-8 matches). My benchmark in ESN tensors is MX-P (as I've played with it a lot) and I've recently migrated from H3N / T05.

So far (and again, it is early), I prefer R48 to MX-P in topspin vs topspin and (especially) loop vs underspin. A bit easier to generate spin with and, perhaps, a bit more spin is generated. I also like the fact that R48 sponge feels a bit harder than MX-P sponge.

I prefer MX-P in smashes and direct play (stiffer, thicker topsheet helps in both cases).

So, overall spin level (IMHO): Rhyzer 48 = Bluestorm Z1 >= MX-P > Aurus Prime > R47

In contrary to my prior opinion, their topsheet is quite different from each other - Relative to that of Z1, Rhyzer 48 topsheet is quite soft (almost like how Bluestorm Z2 is) and the overall feel of Rhyzer 48 is softer because of it.

My recommendations:

However, in grip as well as in spin on soft strokes, R48 is superior.

I feel I can generate a lot more spin with MX-P vs Aurus Prime, but not sure about the others, surely it would be similar though? Something to do with the topsheet being thicker and firmer?

About 3 weeks to 1 month, it makes the rubber feel a lot harder and not to my taste, starts like Tenergy hardness but then it bricks once the booster wears off. Still plays well but I like to reboost afterwards

Very interesting! I used to play with a glued up Mendo MP too in the late 90's! When I restarted after 14 years absence - I bought it again - and used it glued at 1st out of nostalgia and then boosted - I still could play against good players playing with modern rubbers - Mendo MP was still VERY fast.

It does however lack spin on pushes and serves compared to modern rubbers which are very grippy. 

Eventually I replaced it with Adidas P7 which is slower but safer and spinnier.

Fast forward to now...I've been not playing for 2 years and Adidas p7 no longer exists!!!!! And...there's the new ball....

Do you think the Rhyzer would suit me since I loved the Mendo MP? Is the Rhyzer spinny on short pushes and serves too?

I read comments here about this rubber going well with certain blades. My understanding of blade is rather limited and I'm uncertain as to which blade has what throw angle. 

I'm currently using DHS Long 5 and I was wondering if this blade would go well with Rhyzer 48? 

Back in May, while in India conducting several ITTF Coaching Courses and a High Performance Camp, a number of National Level Juniors tried my racket and many wanted to know how to get the Rhyzer rubber.   I use a Rossi Emotion Blade.