H3 vs H3neo tackiness
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Topic: H3 vs H3neo tackiness
Posted By: Simas
Subject: H3 vs H3neo tackiness
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 11:28am
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Hello everyone, a guy at my club brought H3 and I had a brief chance to look at it. It was so much more tacky then my H3neo. I could easily lift hte ball with H3 when I pressed it into the rubber. I couldn't do that with my H3 neo ever. Has anyone else compared the tackiness of H3 vs H3neo? I thought that H3 and H3neo had the same topsheet and the sponges differed... ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
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Posted By: Shifu
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 11:55am
| The H3 Neo indeed has less tackiness. That is intentional. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 6:32pm
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Blow a balloon, as bigger it is, as less tacky it is. Car tyre is similar, so do the H3. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 5:02am
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I thought I read somewhere that H3 and H3neo had the same tackiness. My H3neo is tacky but compared to H3 it's an antispin :D ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 10:31am
I can't attest to differences between Neo and non-neo, but what you describe can certainly be done with at least some sheets of H3neo too - if the topsheet is clean, not defective or worn out, and if the humidity level isn't too high.
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Simas wrote:Posted By: Hozuki
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 1:43pm
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Yes, H3 regular has a more tacky and grippy topsheet than Neo version. H3N has weaker topsheet, does not grip the ball as well. You have to hit more into the sponge. |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 3:47pm
| with DHS poor quality control, I can never be sure it is not due to poor QC |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 4:11pm
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H3 Neo tackier but QC is weird for both! ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 02/17/2018 at 5:00am
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When the rubber was new (I think this was the first thing I did after gluing it) I still couldn't lift the ball. Yes, there are problems with quality. Recently A guy from my club bought H3 recently and after a week or two, he had a bubble in the middle of it and had to throw the rubber away. What concerns the structure my H3neo is ok quality wise. Not sure if it was as tacky as other H3Neo when I bought it.
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Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 02/17/2018 at 1:03pm
There you have it. DHS is not immune to poor QC. I have used 2 Tin Arcs, one was slightly tacky while the other had no tackiness. If you guys want to stick with H3, I suggest paying the extra dough to get the Nittaku versions. ------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: bars
Date Posted: 02/18/2018 at 8:53pm
| Simas i think that is a boosting issue |
Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 02/18/2018 at 10:29pm
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Slightly off-topic, but I have also observed inconsistent (or changing) QC with Hurricane 8. My first 2-3 sheets were very tacky, whereas my two latest ones only had very little tack, which was disappointing to me. ------------- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePongProfessor http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-thepongprofessor_topic69419.html" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 02/23/2018 at 6:53am
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As the difference in tackiness between H3 and H3Neo is significant and the equipment junkie in me is whispering that I haven't tried anything new for about a year, I think maybe I should try H3 on my spare racket? I am close to mid to the table player, with compact stroke. My stile is somewhat similar to Timo Ball's style (but the results are different :) ). Has anybody tried H3 while playing such type table tennis? Usually players using Chinese stroke technique use H3 ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 02/23/2018 at 6:59am
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A correction here. The H3 you can get now is identical to the H3 Neo except the former doesn't come with the primer. The old H3, with different lineart, from before the glue ban is no longer in production. The old stock is pretty much depleted after so many years. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Shifu
Date Posted: 02/23/2018 at 7:07am
| So the sponge is the same? |
Posted By: Hozuki
Date Posted: 02/23/2018 at 9:14am
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Are the topsheets identical now as well? |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 02/23/2018 at 11:56am
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Everything except the primer and package. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 02/23/2018 at 12:35pm
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Its clearly a QC issue. I have a red TG3 Neo which is waaay tackier than my black sheet, which is barely tacky. I also had the same experience as Patrick with the H8. First were really tacky and the recent not ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 02/26/2018 at 3:38am
Hm, now I got confused. First I thought that H3neo had softer sponge then H3 and the same topsheet. Then I checked H3 and the tackiness compared to H3neo was different. Then we talked here that that's how it suppose to be. So I thought different sponges and different topsheets. H3neo had softer sponge and less tacky topsheet. Now you are saying that they are the same. I could imagine that primer maybe makes the sponge softer, but that it affects the tackiness of the topsheet. Are you sure? Let there be light :) ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 02/26/2018 at 5:26am
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Everything except the primer and package. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 02/26/2018 at 10:53pm
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if you want consistency, pay Nittaku to QC your H3's. if you don't care that every other sheet might be a factory 2nd, a gray market sample, or an outright fake, buy from non DHS approved vendors. Some of these will be amazing, especially some of the blue "provincials" which soak booster like a sponge real sponge, and are easier for mortals to use than genuine H3 product... if you want to purchase mediocre H3's, buy from a DHS approved source. They will be real, but limited by DHS' in-house QC (i think they are called IDC). ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |