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Topic: Pictures of your single ply Hinoki blades! [2018]
Posted By: shinshiro
Subject: Pictures of your single ply Hinoki blades! [2018]
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 12:00am
Hi guys!

Hinoki blades are quite different from other blades. Each blade has a particular visual, even if it is the same brand and model. I like quiet a lot to see pictures of Hinoki blades, there is something on it that is attractive to me, and I believe that are many more users here that also admires the beautness of these works of art.

I'm creating this thread so you can post pictures of your hinoki / cypress / WRC / POC / etc. single ply blade. 

There were a few threads about it on the past. Some pictures do not work anymore and also the OPs doesn't seem to access this forum anymore. So I will try to make a new (and maybe definitive) thread about this subject! I will try to make backups of pictures from time to time (maybe once a month?), so we don't loose these  already rare to see blades! The other strong reason to start a new one instead of reviving an old thread is because I believe this way people would be more willing post participate.

Suggestions for pictures (no need to follow if you don't want, it is just a suggestion!):
- overall picture
- top edge (to see the grains)
- sides (to see the "eyes")

With these 4 pictures, all grains details are covered! But if you want to just take one overall picture, no problems too!
ps: if you have multiple blades, you can pile them to make it easier to take pictures. Example here:
http://imgur.com/a/AmFAPVX" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/a/AmFAPVX
(I posted just the link because it is just an example, but you can post it directly on your post)

PS: these aren't my blades! But I wished I had one of them Cry


Let's share, once again, our treasures =D

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Links to some old threads related to hinoki blades:

"BEST 1PLY HINOKI BLADE"
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5640&KW=&title=best-1ply-hinoki-blade" rel="nofollow -
"ATTENTION! ALL SINGLE PLY HINOKI CLUB MEMBERS"
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20702&PN=1&title=attention-all-single-ply-hinoki-club-members" rel="nofollow -
"PICTURES OF YOUR 1PLY HINOKI JPENS"
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38978&title=pictures-of-your-1ply-hinoki-jpens" rel="nofollow -
"1 PLY HINOKI BLADES"
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17067&PN=1&title=1-ply-hinoki-blades" rel="nofollow -



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Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 12:01am
I will also ask for help to indicate good, free and reliable websites to host the pictures. I only know imgur.

I think it is possible to attach pictures on your post directly from your PC/smartphone using forum tools, but I don't know exactly how it works. I tried to use once but it didn't work very well, but we can try this again too.

Edited: some useful websites:

To resize your pictures 
http://picresize.com/" rel="nofollow - http://picresize.com/
(there is also an option there to set maximum size. If you want to attach a pic via forum tool "insert image", then you can set this at 200 kb, since this is the forum limit). Usually I put 75%  smaller (depends on your cam resolution) and 200 kb.

Image hosters:
http://imgur.com/" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/
http://tinypic.com/" rel="nofollow - http://tinypic.com/


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 12:55am
I will start with a modest jpen that I had, Kokutaku Bishu no.1 D50:








Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 10:11am
I have two one-ply blades, a Darker and a Lutz Spruce by AmericanHinoki. Does the Lutz Spruce also qualify? I will take pics and post on the weekend. I look forward to seeing the pics. I agree with you shinshiro. These blade are such things of beauty that I like looking at pictures of them, even if they belong to someone else. They are pieces of art. :)

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Darker Speed 90 10mm: Dawei IQUL
Ahinoki Lutz Spruce Jpen: 729 SuperFX

Member:
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Violin/Acoustic Clan

The speed of a Rhino and the power of a Gazelle!


Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 12:06pm
Here are 2 I have from BBC, they are dark WRC. The first is 9.5mm, second is 9mm. They weigh 100g and 97g respectively. The 9.5mm one has been split and repaired. I couldn't get a good edge picture due to their dark colour.


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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg.
-H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg


Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 12:10pm
Here is another WRC from BBC. It is 10mm, 97g. It has been split once and repaired.


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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg.
-H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg


Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 12:13pm
Here is a homemade WRC racket. It is 10.5mm and 104g. It was my first attempt, hence the utilitarian, no aesthetics look. It has also been split and repaired.


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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg.
-H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg


Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 12:16pm
This is my second homemade blade, made of WRC. It is also my main blade. It is 11.5mm and weighs 109g.


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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg.
-H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg


Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 12:23pm
All of these blades have been sanded with 2000 grit sandpaper except the dark 9mm one.

The orange tint in some areas is the sealant I used after repairing the split or making the blade. Some parts are more orange than others because the blade was either slightly uneven, or because it was in an area that needed extra sealing.

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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg.
-H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by Ranger-man Ranger-man wrote:

I have two one-ply blades, a Darker and a Lutz Spruce by AmericanHinoki. Does the Lutz Spruce also qualify? I will take pics and post on the weekend. I look forward to seeing the pics. I agree with you shinshiro. These blade are such things of beauty that I like looking at pictures of them, even if they belong to someone else. They are pieces of art. :)

Sure, you can post pictures of your LS too!
Good to know another person that also admires hinoki woods =D

@Chairman Meow
Wow, I didn`t know you were a blade maker!
What have you used to repair your split blades?
I used regular wood glue once and it seemed to have worked well, but I don`t know if there are other better alternatives.
I liked your anatomic-to-fingers handle, very different!


Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 1:06pm
Wood glue seems the best. The first time I repaired one, I used epoxy. It was weaker and didn't bond the wood together as well, and the split was very visible. This is the BBC 10mm one. For the others, I used wood glue.

The first blade I made split right next to the handle, so it was not a clean split. However, the wood glue fixed it pretty well. The split is only really noticeable at the handle now. And I can't even find the split anymore on the dark 9.5mm one.


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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg.
-H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 1:18pm
Oh one more question: what product do you use to seal your hinoki blades? And do you know if 1 ply hinoki are prone to splintering just like regular multiply blades?
I'm asking this because I've read some discussions on the past here at mytt and some people said that 1 plies doesn't need sealing, others said the it was better to have, and others said that it could change the hinoki feel etc...a lot of controversial infos/experiences.

I can't say much because for my own experience, however the 1 ply blades that I had all came sealed: two Kokutakus and American Hinoki WRC, so from that I can guess that it is recommended to seal and it probably doesn't change significantly the way it plays (probably the change in feel is imperceptible for amateurs)


Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 1:29pm
The 1-ply blades are not really prone to splintering on the face, but it has happened before. They do sometimes splinter at the edges, close to the 'eye' because the layers of wood there are very thin and separated by grain. However, this takes more than sealing to fix. I usually put some superglue in that spot to prevent splintering. I seal my blades mainly because I want to keep moisture out, not because of splinters. 

I have used them unsealed, and have not noticed a difference. To seal, I use shellac. It is a type of wax dissolved in ever clear. I use a lint free cloth to rub it on the blade in an even layer, and then let it dry for 20 minutes or so. Then, I sand it down on a glass plate with a very fine paper as far as I can before breaking through the layer. This makes the surface even, even if the layer of wax is not (I have not yet mastered the planer). It does add noticeable weight, but I prefer heavy blades anyway.

To test if it is sealed, I put a few drops of water on the blade and see if it slides around without getting absorbed.


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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg.
-H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by Chairman Meow Chairman Meow wrote:

The 1-ply blades are not really prone to splintering on the face, but it has happened before. They do sometimes splinter at the edges, close to the 'eye' because the layers of wood there are very thin and separated by grain. However, this takes more than sealing to fix. I usually put some superglue in that spot to prevent splintering. I seal my blades mainly because I want to keep moisture out, not because of splinters. 

I have used them unsealed, and have not noticed a difference. To seal, I use shellac. It is a type of wax dissolved in ever clear. I use a lint free cloth to rub it on the blade in an even layer, and then let it dry for 20 minutes or so. Then, I sand it down on a glass plate with a very fine paper as far as I can before breaking through the layer. This makes the surface even, even if the layer of wax is not (I have not yet mastered the planer). It does add noticeable weight, but I prefer heavy blades anyway.

To test if it is sealed, I put a few drops of water on the blade and see if it slides around without getting absorbed.

Thanks very much for the infos!
Indeed, the side edges are more fragile, when I took a sidetape off it had some very small spinters.
Another solution to this is to put an epoxy layer along all the edge. I learned this from Kevin (American Hinoki), he recommends it to protect blades from splintering from hits/drops, but it can also protect from these side splintering too. 
The downside of applying epoxy layer are that it adds a little more weight and it changes a bit the color of wood, making it darker. On my blade epoxy'd edge, there are also some parts that became a bit opaque, I wonder why...when I first applied it, it was more bright. I will try to post some pics on the weekend, Kevin did a great job, the blade has the eyes on both sides Big smile


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 04/20/2018 at 11:11pm
Your main blade is particularly beautiful. Perfect eyes, vertical and uniform grains!
My dream blade is very similar, the only difference is that I want one with very tight grains too. But maybe I'm dreaming too much...


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 04/21/2018 at 7:51pm
My American Hinoki WRC-9mm. The last part shows the edge with epoxy applied.




Posted By: MTMT
Date Posted: 04/24/2018 at 8:58am
What is American Hinoki? 

And are you left handed?  Your blade has an unusual cutout on the left side. 

Your Kokutaku actually has rather nice grain in that they are quite even.  The manufacture quality is not quite as high given the visual defects and filling of the pits in the cork.  Cork quality is low but the hinoki itself looks rather nice - though there seem to be 'pits' in the blade top edge. 


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 04/24/2018 at 9:52am
Originally posted by MTMT MTMT wrote:

What is American Hinoki? 

And are you left handed?  Your blade has an unusual cutout on the left side. 

Your Kokutaku actually has rather nice grain in that they are quite even.  The manufacture quality is not quite as high given the visual defects and filling of the pits in the cork.  Cork quality is low but the hinoki itself looks rather nice - though there seem to be 'pits' in the blade top edge. 

American Hinoki (Kevin) is an american custom blade maker. His website is offline since more than a year ago, but he is still making blades if you email him. If you want to order a blade from him, I can pass to you his email. The wood used on the blade above is Western Red Cedar, which according to some reviews, plays quite similar to some best Kiso Hinoki blades out there. JimT wrote some reviews in the past about American Hinoki WRC and BBC (Blades by Charlie) single ply WRC.

Yes I'm left handed. This blade shape was made to facilitate RPB.

The Kokutaku D50 had a very uniform and straight grains, was indeed very nice. I sold it because I had stopped playing jpen style, but now that I'm want to try jpen again, I regret for selling it =|

Interesting observation about the cork. Actually I've never paid attention to the cork quality, I will pay more attention to it from now on, thanks! The D50 is Kokutaku 2nd cheapest single ply, so that makes sense.

MTMT, your are more than welcome to post pictures of your equipment/hinoki boards here too if you want Big smile. You can also post some informations about hinoki quality and characteristics when selecting a blade, you have great knowledge about it, it would be awesome if you could share it with us. Or you can post it on your thread if you prefer, no problem too, and I can post a link to it on my second post.



Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 11:28am
Ok so I took pics of my AHinoki as well as my Darker Blade. Unfortunately both have rubbers and edge tape on them.

I am out of edge tape right now and I am really careful with all my TT stuff. I will post pics without the edge tape too but soon as I go out and get some so I can replace it immediately. 

With the A Hinoki I had two pics that Kevin had sent me to show me how the blade looked before he shipped so I added those in as well. 

I had him engrave my initials on it too. 

















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Darker Speed 90 10mm: Dawei IQUL
Ahinoki Lutz Spruce Jpen: 729 SuperFX

Member:
1-ply Hinoki Club
Violin/Acoustic Clan

The speed of a Rhino and the power of a Gazelle!


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 04/27/2018 at 10:24am
Your Lutz Spruce blade is very nice Ranger-man!
It is the first time I see this wood type. Is it similar to hinoki in playability?

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Here is the last one of my hinoki blades, Kokutaku Bishu no1 Specialist:






Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 04/27/2018 at 11:17am
You have some amazing blades Shinshiro. The Kokotaku Bishu is beautiful and the grains are so tight! The workmanship is way better than on the Jpen Kokutaku. That shakehand has to play like a dream. Do you play both shake and penhold? Because you have a Jpen Kokutaku and then that WRC Ahinoki which is a stunner. I that pile of blades on imgur yours? Because man, I am drooling.

I do have to say Kevin makes gorgeous blades. I love how his wood is perfectly quarter sawn, which not every blade maker is that vigilant about. I am actually thinking of getting another one from him. I am also thinking of buying another Speed 90 from iruiru as a backup blade.

The Lutz Spruce plays very well. It would be a great replacement for someone who wants the type of game that only a one-ply Hinoki blade can give but does not want to spend that much. I would not say exactly the same, but similar. The differences don't make it worse, just different. It loops well, has a nice soft touch and great control and power when needed. It has a lot of gears too and can keep upwith the Hinoki on the higher end of the spectrum (power) but the Hinoki beats it in the soft touch realm. It is one of my favorite blades for sure.

How does the WRC Jpen play Shinshiro. In what ways is it different from a one-ply Hinoki blade? I am very curious because I keep thinking about asking Kevin to make me one.

Chairman Meow, I am thinking about making a one-ply blade so I will definitely pester you with some questions when I get down to it. That is one monster of a blade though, the 109gm WRC. 


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Darker Speed 90 10mm: Dawei IQUL
Ahinoki Lutz Spruce Jpen: 729 SuperFX

Member:
1-ply Hinoki Club
Violin/Acoustic Clan

The speed of a Rhino and the power of a Gazelle!


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 04/27/2018 at 2:32pm
I played j-penhold for a few months, but I couldn't addapt to TBP.
I also tried RPB for a short time too (my American Hinoki blade was designed for that). I could use RPB quite fine, but was having some finger/wrist pain, so I decide to stop and play shakehand again.

I want to try to play jpen again in a near future.

My WRC Jpen was a bit different than usual because I asked Kevin to make it as light as possible, and it came out having only 64g (!!!). Therefore is was not very fast like usually a 1 ply is. It was definetely slower than the kokutaku D40 (84g). I used different rubbers on each and it's been some time since I last played then, so I'm afraid I'm not able to give more in deep details (and I'm also a low level player, which doesn't help too LOL). But I've read some reviews here at mytt, and if my memory is right, JimT used to play with a WRC blade (from Kevin and Charlie also), and he said that it plays almost indistinguible from Darker Speed 90. Another guy said it was only a bit slower than Speed 90. From the reviews I read in the past, I believe WRC 1ply is the closest you can get to Kiso Hinoki in playability (but it is also true that there aren't many reviews from other woods, like Lutz Spruce, POC, etc. I would like to know how close POC is to hinoki when playing, since on theory this is the closest one). I also read from more than one source that WRC is a bit softer than Hinoki.






Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 05/02/2018 at 12:25pm
Have anyone had the oportunity to play with 1 ply blades of different hardness?
I know that hardness can vary even on same hinoki type. 

What are the differences in playability between a hard 1 ply hinoki and a soft 1 ply? (speed? gears? spin?)

On rubbers, it seems that generally the softer ones have more catapult (less linear) on soft touches, but don't have the top speed the hard rubbers have. This reasoning also applies to blade 1 ply blade hardness?

I may buy a blade soon, but I would like to know more about this characteristic first.


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/02/2018 at 3:04pm
Shinshiro, how does the Kokutaku Bishu no1 Specialist play? Can you do a short review on it? ie: speed, control, feel, hardness, etc.

I played with both the Speed 90 and BBC single ply cypress. I am very impressed with their speed and hitting abilities. The speed 90 had more control and feel. The ball jumps off the paddle very fast and therefore makes it harder to loop, may be this can improve my using a slower rubber. Same goes for BH loop. Both FH BH blocking is crispy and fast. The BBC is a bit small at 155x148mm with an extended handle. Taking a quote from " Forged in Fire": Your Blade Will Kill!


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 05/02/2018 at 4:56pm
hleett, I have played just twice with it but I will try to share my impressions. I don't have other single ply shakehand, so I will use a 5 ply blade to compare the Specilaist with ok? I know that is not ideal, but that's what I can do for now...
(I played with single ply jpen a considerable time ago and with different rubbers, so I won't compare with them)

The KKT Specialist is on the soft side, feels softer than my 5 ply blades in general. Feels very stable on blocking and hitting, can generate a very good speed. I had some trouble on lifting backspin balls, much more shots were going into the net than with 5 ply blade I was using before (tought I'm not 100% shure if it's due to blade or if I was just on a bad day). 

It is not much, but I hope it can help you. I'm not a very good reviewer, and I'm also a beginner so take that with a pinch of salt.




Posted By: DLC1325
Date Posted: 05/03/2018 at 6:45pm
Ahh, keeping the 1-plies alive!
Well, my Nittaku Miyabi R has been sold to MTMT. Beer


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Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/04/2018 at 8:25pm
shinshiro,can you measure the dimensions(thickness x width x length) in mm of the shake hand Bishu No.1 Specialist blade? Thanks.


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 05/05/2018 at 10:14am
Sure.
T = 9.2~9.3 mm
W = 147 mm
L = 156 mm


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/05/2018 at 11:18am
L=147,that's narrow!!
iruoru post it as t=8.5, but you measured it as 9.2. I wonder...


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 05/05/2018 at 12:39pm
I think it is normal to have some thickness variation on kokutaku 1ply blades. I've read an old thread here where some user said something like that (blade was supposed to have 9mm but you could find some that were thicker than that - or thinner??).
Since mine is over 9mm, maybe the 8.5mm means that the blade is equal or thicker than that? I don't know too...


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/07/2018 at 10:09am
Thanks.


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/18/2018 at 9:58pm
Got this Nittaku  Miyabi one ply hinoki ahakehank blade a few days ago. Measuring 155x150x9mm and weighing at 90.72G. I like the overall look of the blade and the 91g don't really bother me. The only thing that bugs me is the 15mm of wider grains to the right side of the logo but probably doesn't affect play since I won't hit the ball at that area anyway. Didn't want to set it up until I get a few experts opinions from you guys. What do you guys think? Does that bother you? Should I keep it or return it for another? Or is this the best it'll come for a $90 blade? (I darken the photos to bring out the wood grain.) Thanks for your input.


Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 05/18/2018 at 11:36pm
Looks good for a $90 blade.

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OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/19/2018 at 9:15pm
DLC1325, did you seal the blade before putting on the rubber?


Posted By: DLC1325
Date Posted: 05/19/2018 at 11:21pm
Loved my Miyabi FL.  Love my Miyabi R.  I did not seal either of them.  Never had a problem changing rubbers.

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Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/20/2018 at 10:54am
As for your Miyabi FL: How's the grain(photo?)? What's the weight? What rubbers? Speed? Feel? Control? Vibration?


Posted By: DLC1325
Date Posted: 05/20/2018 at 12:45pm
I can't find any photos of the FL, but the grain was basically the same as yours and my R with variations in grain widths, even had the small rough, scratchy spots on the right edge of your blade.  If I recall it was 82g and I used TG2 Neo on both sides.  Unconventional, I know, but the catapult of the hinoki made the Chinese rubbers extremely easy to use.

As with single ply hinoki blades, the control is immense but when you put power in there is a catapult effect that adds tons of speed.  Its a very strange feeling for me though because it is so soft yet can be so fast and controlled at the same time.  This is why so many people say there is nothing like a single ply hinoki blade.

I, and everyone at the club who tried my Miyabi FL, called it The Cloud because it felt like playing with a cloud in your hand.  Magnificent.

It is a fine blade for $90 and I think the one you have looks fine, though yours might be a bit faster due to weight.


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Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/20/2018 at 2:02pm
Thanks for the feedback. Well said! Can't wait to try my blade later on this week. I just lightly sanded the shoulders and rubbed it with a thin coat of oil varnish. I'll post photos when I am done 3 coats of varnish.  


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/20/2018 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by DLC1325 DLC1325 wrote:

I can't find any photos of the FL, but the grain was basically the same as yours and my R with variations in grain widths, even had the small rough, scratchy spots on the right edge of your blade.  If I recall it was 82g and I used TG2 Neo on both sides.  Unconventional, I know, but the catapult of the hinoki made the Chinese rubbers extremely easy to use.

As with single ply hinoki blades, the control is immense but when you put power in there is a catapult effect that adds tons of speed.  Its a very strange feeling for me though because it is so soft yet can be so fast and controlled at the same time.  This is why so many people say there is nothing like a single ply hinoki blade.

I, and everyone at the club who tried my Miyabi FL, called it The Cloud because it felt like playing with a cloud in your hand.  Magnificent.

It is a fine blade for $90 and I think the one you have looks fine, though yours might be a bit faster due to weight.
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Miyabi FL, the $90 blade, was sold out at "Paddle Palace".
They wouldn't let me to pre-order and pay in advance, then wait.

This is the wording of Paddle Palace's reply of my email:
We have made a note in our system to let you know when the Miyabi blades are back in stock. We do not have an ETA on those, so it may be a few months.



Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/20/2018 at 8:54pm
Ben might have another one in stock. http://www.tabletennisstore.us/p-1195-nittaku-miyabi.aspx


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/20/2018 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

Ben might have another one in stock. http://www.tabletennisstore.us/p-1195-nittaku-miyabi.aspx
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I have never ordered anything from that outfit (unsure if it is safe to order from them):
http://www.tabletennisstore.us/p-1195-nittaku-miyabi.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.tabletennisstore.us/p-1195-nittaku-miyabi.aspx

Has anyone ordered TT stuff from that outfit?


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/21/2018 at 12:30pm
I've been buying from him for a few years now. Never had a problem. Besides, I know he has the Miyabi in stock.


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/21/2018 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

I've been buying from him for a few years now. Never had a problem. Besides, I know he has the Miyabi in stock.
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Order placed.
Thank you very much.



Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/22/2018 at 1:10pm
The same blade with 3 thin coats of oil/alcohol varnish. 


Posted By: DLC1325
Date Posted: 05/23/2018 at 12:11am
Looks very nice. Beer

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Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 05/26/2018 at 2:18pm
Finally my Ariex Special DX arrived.
I bought with a discount because it had some minor imperfections on backside (just small scratches). The handle is also different than regular Ariex blades, similar to some butterfly jpens. It is also a bit shorter than normal. 

I have no idea when I will be able to play with this blade, but here are the pics:













Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/26/2018 at 4:54pm
Good looking blade. But I like your Kokutaku Bishu no.1 more. Hope it plays well. How much did you paid for this blade?


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 05/26/2018 at 5:32pm
Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

Good looking blade. But I like your Kokutaku Bishu no.1 more. Hope it plays well. How much did you paid for this blade?

Blade was 60 usd + 27 usd shipping if my memory is right. Shipping price was very high. 
Normal blade price is 120 usd + shipping.

Special DX is the second best hinoki blade from Ariex, with Excellent GT being on top (if we exclude custom order and 11mm blade). From the blades with imperfections that were being sold, this was the best looking one (they had pictures of all of them).

Bishu no.1 has tighter grains, but Special DX is a bit more uniform.
Since Bishu head shape and "edge shape" are rounded, the grains look more beautiful on side view and more circular. I also asked the seller to pick the best looking Bishu that was below 95g.


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 06/07/2018 at 8:06pm
My Miyabi weigh in a little on the heavy side at 91g. This is an almost perfect setup with FH T64 1.7 and BH Donic Slice 40 1.5. Total weight is amazingly low at 172g. BH flick/loop is a bit hard due to thin rubber, need to adjust blade angle. Same goes for blocking and pushing. However BH chop is great, very precise and ball control is excellent. Wish the D Slice 40 was a little bit thicker. FH loop needs a little getting use to and adjust blade angle but once get used to the new angle looping is a breeze. Hitting is what this blade is made for, both near table and mid-range. Love it...crisp, accurate, fast. The feel and explosive sound of the ball hitting on the blade is un-equal, even better than my friend's Speed 90. Perhaps FH blocking is the weak point of this blade, I do need to explore this area more. All in all, it's a pleasure playing with this combo.  


Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 06/08/2018 at 1:37am
No Kiso hinoki, but a very nice WRC 1-ply from Charlie. Smile



and the best: the first playing-impressions were also really good. Big smile


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Posted By: manallackst
Date Posted: 06/08/2018 at 6:22am
Hi guys. This is the only 1ply hinoki that I have. Although, I never knew the name of this Butterfly model. Tried to ask around but none knew.





Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 06/08/2018 at 12:25pm
Nice!Are you selling it?


Posted By: manallackst
Date Posted: 06/08/2018 at 7:01pm
Huhu, not at the moment. Trying to figure out her name


Posted By: passifid
Date Posted: 06/08/2018 at 7:05pm
Chiu wai Yee.
Done ?


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 06/08/2018 at 8:05pm
Just send the photo to Butterfly website and ask them to ID it for you.


Posted By: manallackst
Date Posted: 06/08/2018 at 10:41pm
Oh, didnt know we can do that. Thanks!


Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 06/30/2018 at 12:15pm
10.5 mm, 106 g. The handle was made with one side thicker than the other as an experiment.
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Posted By: rawrtje
Date Posted: 07/01/2018 at 12:21am
Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

No Kiso hinoki, but a very nice WRC 1-ply from Charlie. Smile



and the best: the first playing-impressions were also really good. Big smile


I've been eyeing this blade myself - could you share your thoughts on it?

Also, what thickness did you get?


Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 07/01/2018 at 1:24am
Originally posted by rawrtje rawrtje wrote:

I've been eyeing this blade myself - could you share your thoughts on it?
Also, what thickness did you get?
The thickness was 9,5 mm and the blade was faster than I thought. 

Besides this BBC 1-ply I also ordered a WRC 1-ply from Kevin (American Hinoki)


This blade is thinner (9 mm) and has a better control (for me).
But it seems as if Hinoki or WRC 1-ply blades are not the right blades for me.

I love the natural design of these blades, but the difference to my "usual" blades is too big.
It was a nice "project" between two seasons, but I will not switch to 1-ply blades.

I am planning to test the AH 1-ply once more, but I am sure that this will not change my mind.
I will re-sell this blade also, because the feeling is too soft, not crispy enough for me.  


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Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 07/01/2018 at 11:47pm
This blade was Charlie's demo blade he made many years ago. He sold it to me about 4 years ago when he lost his shop and I needed a one ply. I am donating this along with some other blades to Yogi. It is almost 10mm thick with beautiful Red Cedar.



Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 07/02/2018 at 8:26am
Oh! He sold me two of those as well right before his shop closed. I still have them, pictures on the first page. Charlie told me he only made 6 from that particularly dark piece of wood.

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Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 07/02/2018 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by Chairman Meow Chairman Meow wrote:

Oh! He sold me two of those as well right before his shop closed. I still have them, pictures on the first page. Charlie told me he only made 6 from that particularly dark piece of wood.


I am not sure when he actually made the demo blades but the American Western Cedar was choice !!!


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/02/2018 at 4:07pm
Quote The thickness was 9,5 mm and the blade was faster than I thought. 

Besides this BBC 1-ply I also ordered a WRC 1-ply from Kevin (American Hinoki)


This blade is thinner (9 mm) and has a better control (for me).
But it seems as if Hinoki or WRC 1-ply blades are not the right blades for me.

I love the natural design of these blades, but the difference to my "usual" blades is too big.
It was a nice "project" between two seasons, but I will not switch to 1-ply blades.

I am planning to test the AH 1-ply once more, but I am sure that this will not change my mind.
I will re-sell this blade also, because the feeling is too soft, not crispy enough for me.  

What rubbers did you used? 


Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 07/03/2018 at 2:49am
I tested it with hard (H3/T05) and soft (FX-S/O7E) rubbers.

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Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/03/2018 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Order placed.
Thank you very much.


skip3119, How is your Miyabi?


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/03/2018 at 1:32pm
So 2 extreme sets of rubber hardness and still not good. Maybe the next step is try the Darker Speed 90.


Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 07/03/2018 at 2:01pm
I use H3 on my blades and it works fine. I think it just depends on the cut of wood you get. I have gotten lucky so far with all the cuts working very well. 

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Posted By: sderyke2002
Date Posted: 07/03/2018 at 2:06pm
I bought a Miyabi and love it.  It is effortlessly fast for top spin drives.  Loops will require a little better form and more refinement on my part but I believe it is within reach for me to get back to looping as well as I do with slower blades.  The first night I played with it at the club, I was told by a player who normally beats me easily that everything was popping off my blade giving him no time to react.  I hit drills with my coach who is a good 700 points stronger than I am and I was hitting some top spin drives right by him - even when he would drop back and lob back to the table I could hit them with enough varied angles and still fast enough to not be gotten to.

I play Rakza x and Rakza Xsoft on this blade and I really think this may replace my Ma Lin Carbon I currently play most of the time.

Sorry I don't have picts but it arrived with the rubber already on it per my order - so not much to see.


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/17/2018 at 11:23am
Surprise to hear the Miyabi played well with Rakza Xsoft. I tried my Miyabi with T05 FX and this combo is too soft. I found that a slightly harder rubber like the T64 1.7mm is a great combo.


Posted By: Bikerjoe3
Date Posted: 07/17/2018 at 12:10pm
Anyone have any info on a one ply racket with the logo "Mishima" MishimaButterfly on the handle. I have been wanting a one ply and got this in a trade.

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Posted By: sderyke2002
Date Posted: 07/17/2018 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

Surprise to hear the Miyabi played well with Rakza Xsoft. I tried my Miyabi with T05 FX and this combo is too soft. I found that a slightly harder rubber like the T64 1.7mm is a great combo.


I was a little surprised I liked it as well as I did.  But I typically play a softer rubber on the backhand and knew I would need the extra dwell time if I could get it to spin the ball.  So it worked out nice.  With as quick as the bat responds I did not notice a huge difference between the X and Xsoft.


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/17/2018 at 3:47pm
Have you or anyone tried Rozena on a Miyabi or DS90?


Posted By: SJ73
Date Posted: 07/21/2018 at 2:51pm
My TSP and Darker hinoki jpens

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Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/21/2018 at 4:34pm
Nice babies. Is there any significant difference?

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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 07/21/2018 at 4:43pm
That Darker Hy Blade Speed 90 is made of the highest quality kiso hinoki you can find. Dynam Special is so-so.

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Posted By: SJ73
Date Posted: 07/21/2018 at 9:50pm
I haven't tried them to be honest but I do play with the lower models Dynam and Speed 90. Dynam has a soft feel and I think it matches well with the Mizuno Q3. The Speed 90 I think due to the smaller (squarer?) racket face feels a little more powerful. Both around the same weight 90-95g.


Posted By: SJ73
Date Posted: 07/21/2018 at 9:55pm
I find the Hinoki on more recent batches of Special Dynam of higher quality. This Special Dynam #21411 is regarded well in the Korean market I read.



Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/30/2018 at 10:08pm
Just received my Darker Speed 90 FL this afternoon. Standard DS90 head size of 155x150mm, weighing .17lb(77.11 grams)! Too light? Can't wait to test it out. Question: Do I need to seal it with varnish? poly?







Posted By: Navin323i
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 4:45pm
Too light? Weight is all a matter of preference so there’s no too light if that’s the weight you prefer.

I haven’t sealed any of my Darker Hinoki blades. No issues so far.

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Posted By: Navin323i
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 5:23pm
Here is my new Darker Speed 90 I received last month - 77g
I have two more that I'll post - a heavier Darker Speed 90 that is 92g with flared handle and another Darker Speed 90 with ST handle that I believe is 90g.  I have a few other Hinoki one ply Shakehands blades that I'll post up as well.  Smile








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Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 5:25pm
I´ve owned one of this Darker Speed 90 FL. Mine was 82g which was perfect. I sealed it with one layer of TSP Coat.
This blade gives one of the most pleasure touches: very fast, soft, solid and without vibrations. 
I found its headsize a bit small so I cut 2mm in the handle turning it into a 157x150 headsize.


Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 5:47pm
77g !?!?!? OMG , am I jealous? I never opted for a Darker Speed 90 cause I thought they were too heavy. I have a senkoh 90 which is 80g and I searched all around the world to find it. Actually I found two in japan and of course purchased both

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Posted By: Navin323i
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 10:09pm
Yeah, you can request whatever lightest weight they have available which is what I did. Funny thing is that the blade head is slightly smaller than the head size of my heavier Darker Speed 90 paddles... I know this because I transferred the rubber sheet from my heavier Speed 90 to my 77g Speed 90 and I had to trim the rubber as it was bigger.

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Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 10:26pm
Really? What size is your 77g? My 77g is 155x150. Where did you buy it from?


Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 10:36pm
What do you guys find better about lighter blades? I have never used one that light and I would like to know how it compares to single ply blades about 100 gr (aside from the obvious difference).

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Posted By: Navin323i
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 10:47pm
I believe mine is the same measurements as yours. The size for the heavier ones I have is slightly larger and I don’t have those measurements handy right now, but in any case your 77g and mine are slightly smaller than the heavier ones. Now that I think about it, my rubber sheet I had on my Stiga Metal Wood that I bought from Magic_M fit my 77g Speed 90 perfectly. Bought my Speed 90 from Ooak website as they are an authorized Darker dealer based out of Australia. Where did you buy yours from?

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Posted By: Navin323i
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 10:51pm
Originally posted by Chairman Meow Chairman Meow wrote:

What do you guys find better about lighter blades? I have never used one that light and I would like to know how it compares to single ply blades about 100 gr (aside from the obvious difference).


It’s personal preference. For me though, I am unique in that I compete with Parkinson’s Disease so my choice of weight impacts me tremendously due to my dominant right hand Parkinson’s tremors (shaking). Keep in mind that the paddle will get heavier once you add rubber to it.

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Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 08/02/2018 at 12:19am
Navin323i,
I have a Miyabi with exact same measurements as my ds90 but weighing in at 91g.
I bought my from Hong Kong.


Posted By: Navin323i
Date Posted: 08/02/2018 at 7:36am
Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

Navin323i,
I have a Miyabi with exact same measurements as my ds90 but weighing in at 91g.
I bought my from Hong Kong.


Good to know that there are still some ds90’s still being sold brand new by their dealers.

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Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 08/04/2018 at 5:12pm
My DS90 with a thin coat mixture of oil varnish/linseed oil/denature alcohol.

FH view.


BH view.


Shoulder view accenting the grain.

Edge view accenting the grain.


Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 08/04/2018 at 11:20pm
Beautiful blade and beautiful pictures. 
Thanks for posting hleet!



Posted By: TKMP
Date Posted: 08/06/2018 at 12:10am
One ply only.



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Date Posted: 08/06/2018 at 12:11am
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Date Posted: 08/06/2018 at 12:12am
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Date Posted: 08/06/2018 at 12:13am
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Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 08/06/2018 at 2:30am
Originally posted by TKMP TKMP wrote:

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Fantastic blades..thanks for sharing


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Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 08/06/2018 at 11:21am
What an excellent collection!!! Selling any?


Posted By: LNH
Date Posted: 08/07/2018 at 7:34am
If you plan to own the higher grade of the darker speed 90, you should start hunting the Darker speed 90 HY BLADE.  It is only available in Taiwan market. I did owned afew Hy blade Jpen and 1 Cpen.  The grain is denser and feel is superb than the normal Speed 90. Hy blade do come with FL handle too.

Good luck.


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Posted By: clipperfan
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 1:24am


this is my new tool!!! tons of  feeling!!! i will play tomorrow  with it.......t05 fx /fh  and t25 fx /bh.....!!!
regards!!


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 10:00am
Very nice! What's the weight? Where did you buy it from?



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