My new Viscaria FL
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Topic: My new Viscaria FL
Posted By: tkobe
Subject: My new Viscaria FL
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 11:57am
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Guys I just bought a used Butterfly Viscaria FL with rubbers already sticked on. Please could you tell me is this Real blade or Fake?
I will be very glad for your help and opinions  Peace!      |
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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 12:31pm
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IMO looks Fake ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 12:41pm
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take a picture of the Butterfly logo at the end of the handle, does the serial number match the box ? so far, it doesn't look good. -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: jobaumi
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 12:43pm
| Fake! |
Posted By: tkobe
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 4:59pm
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Hmm here you go the picture of the logo: I bought if from the player from 2nd league in Poland dont know what it means but when I asked if it is a oryginal he was DAMN sure and told me that his club bought him that blade. One question is about the blade and second about the rubbers? hmm thanks so much guys!  |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 6:05pm
| Sorry to say it looks weird to me too. With the rubber still on it is harder to tell from cell phone photos. But I agree with the others so far. |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 6:23pm
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FAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 6:25pm
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That blade looks so fake! |
Posted By: jobaumi
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 7:06pm
| 100% Fake |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 7:24pm
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Dude, I can't tell whether forum members are trolling you or this is for joke purposes. This viscaria is real, there's no science behind blade or validation of authenticity. You can clearly see the layers and the carbon fiber in it. No fake manufacturer is going to take that much time into details, if it's fake you can tell right away it's painfully obvious(super short handle, uneven, no carbon fiber, etc....), fake manufacturer is just gonna give you a slap of wood and have no regards of making it look real. If ppl are making fake they are in it for the money, the fact that your blade have carbon fiber, tags, the little shield carbon tag etc... it will just cost too much for someone in for a quick buck to reproduce. It has the same color of wood as the real one too, the fake guys basically need to hire a professional research team to do this and it's just not cost effective. Viscaria is a professional equipment so the market is too small for fake guys to chip in as well. The blade is real period. For those believe they have the eyes and knowledge to determine this blade is fake, they are nothing but delusional equipment junkie. I shall refer them to this vid I made few monthes ago. https://www.captiongenerator.com/971652/Obsessed-with-equipment-part-2 ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 9:19pm
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Actually none of what hunkeelin just wrote is true. I have seen fake Viscaria with a composite layer that look reasonably convincing and I am far from a delusional equipment junkie. I do know a lot about Viscaias. I fave been playing with them for considerably more than a decade. It would be helpful if you removed the rubber and took a photo so we can see the lettering. Fakes often fail to completely replicate that. Hunkeelin has a history of posting really strange stuff. I usually try to ignore it but in this case I need to respond. Also jt99sf is pretty knowledgeable on this blade. I am not 100% certain it is fake. But I lean that way. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 9:23pm
| Specifically the blue ply looks weird and the plastic lenses are not fitted as well as on mine. Those things among others make me suspicious. |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 9:41pm
It really shows you're under-exposed to information. The blade neck is all wrong, the lens on the handle is crooked and the silver Butterfly logo is too shiny (just compare it to a real one). Perhaps you don't play with Butterfly blades. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
hunkeelin wrote:Posted By: kyle90
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 11:13pm
| Way too many differences for that to be real |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 1:43am
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Sorry but it’s a fake. Whoever tells you this is 100% real probably sells fake items too. ------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: Shifu
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 2:51am
| Fake! |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 4:04am
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I normally don't start flame war at my age; at most do some funny passive aggressive one liner as a joke; but this sh*t is getting way out of hand. I do want to promote TT and I can't do that by having EJ inducing lies and garbage to new players making them dwell time into equipment than focusing skill. Delusional forum EJ here are judging your blade via colors when it's taken by probably a phone. I said it and i'll say it again. It's not profitable for fakers to create something like that to that detail, if they could do something like that butterfly would just hire them. The manufacture process to create a replica of this quality warrant a huge market and profit margin. A viscaria is not the way to go. There are better things for them to focus faking on than a niche market. Your Viscaria look exactly like mine; and I"m playing fine. It seems some forum member uses years of equipment delusion as credibility. Below are the following vids of how i play few months ago. I'm using a viscaria (look exactly like urs) with h3 and t05. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0kuq5Mt204&t=55s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gFIc01sBcA and some results to attest my skill level, i'm on the front page you can look up my opponent's level. http://sunsetttc.blogspot.com/ I know what I am talking about and i doubt many of the forum members who said your blade is fake have a proper grip. Play with your blade and if it doesn't play funny be happy with it and move on. Don't dwell here and get into any kind of "science" of vsicarias. https://www.captiongenerator.com/971652/Obsessed-with-equipment-part-2 ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: IanMcg
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 4:48am
| He knows what he is talking about, he said it himself! Also not having a proper grip makes you a fake player who shouldn't be trusted! Also also, counterfeits are not counterfeits if they're not a steaming pile of garbage because its not profitable! Also, he won $100, so you should definitely believe him. |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 6:46am
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hunkeelin I have fake viscaria from Aliexpress and it looks better quality then this one. don't tell me I bought original viscaria on Aliexpress |
Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 8:06am
| I always thought that the copies were made in the same factories that made blades for smaller companies, maybe even Yinhe. Look at the build quality of a yinhe blade, especially the lenses and the CTTA initials at the base of the handle and it's no big step to think that the same factories might be producing decent butterfly knock-offs. |
Posted By: SmileTT
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 9:18am
Am I missing something here? This looks like like a proper Silver tag Vis with Arylate-carbon lens on the back? I only own new Viscaria with the green hologram so I can't compare.  tkobe, let me buy it from you and I will let you know its authenticity  piligrim, can we see your Vis from ali?
------------- Xiom Omega IV Euro | Freitas ALC | Xiom Omega IV Euro https://tinyurl.com/yaoh8suu" rel="nofollow - Feedbacks |
Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 10:50am
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Congrats on your fake viscaria! Just kidding. Or am I... |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 11:15am
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https://www.prott.vip/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=VS
is this one real?
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Posted By: chongqinghotpot
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 11:42am
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How much for it and how does it play? ------------- USATT rating 2200 05Vis64 |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 11:46am
If you can't tell a Hyundi from a Honda, you're beyond help. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 11:47am
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Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 11:56am
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I bought mine at mega spin btw https://imgur.com/a/fHbNRUN . Again, everything I've said are backed up with real credibility and proof. I normally don't give a damn about off topic wrong stuff in the forum but this fuels my anger. 1. Calling this blade fake with no proof is the worst thing a fellow TT member can do to a new player. It will give him excuse on his plays cuz he believe it's his blade's fault since is fake(it's not), he then will proceed to spend more money to buy a "real" one, then start comparing the two. Then with the new found knowledge, he will start calling out fake blades to fellow new forum members, thus the cycle of hell; its cancer. Whenever i walk to any TT club, you get classically trained players like me and many others above me with 1 or 2(spare) blade at most. Then we get the scrubs hover around 1300~1800 with a traveling bag full of TT equipment; switching blade every set, trying new things every other week, and wonder why they stagnate. I try to tell new players to steer away from that hell, it's a dirty place and don't go there. I got one middle age guy, if he wanted to he could write me a book about viscaria. I don't know what's so special about viscaria in particular, it's a just a god damn blade. 2. My family have a manufacture business. At a glance, if that blade were to be in production it will take a lot of money. That little plastic you see at the back of your blade? yes to make that to production that can easily cost upwards a mil. No fakers gonna chip in that kind of money if their goal is to make money. ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 12:05pm
| no correlation btw how one plays and if he EJs. He could be shit or great whether he EJs or not. (I am talking about non-sponsored players) |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 12:06pm
Would you believe someone who have the skill to win $100(btw 100 is a lot of money in US 99.9% of US tt player never see a dime in return for their play) or someone who can't even hold the paddle properly? I don't know where are you getting at. It was just to proof my credibility via actual knowledge of TT. At my level, without looking at the blade and rubber, I can tell if its real or fake just by playing it. Credibility is proven by knowledge and skill not the amount of time one stay on a TT forum or researcher of viscaria(fictional science); or for your case sarcasm.
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Posted By: kyle90
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 12:16pm
| You’re clearly clueless to the prevalence of counterfeit TT goods being made in China. If there is money to be made, they will produce fakes. Anything that is super popular like viscaria, Tenergy, and Hurricane is faked in large quantities and sold to unsuspecting customers. |
Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 12:18pm
Definitely is a correlation. Definitely a higher percentage of "EJ's" at the lower and intermediate levels than at the higher levels. However, definitely no correlation between playing level and the ability to gauge the authenticity of a blade. Much less if said person admits they don't think or know much about equipment.
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Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 12:21pm
I don't see how this post in any way gets to the heart of the issue that is being discussed
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Posted By: kyle90
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 12:36pm
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Poster was trying to argue that fakes of this quality are too expensive to produce and still make money on. That’s an incorrect statement. See below for another example of a fake: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62057&title=i-just-received-a-fake-viscaria |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 12:37pm
what do you mean by higher level players... give a rating. The really good players should be sponsored and thus not included by my stmt which is meant for the better or worst amongst the rest. On your second point a better player should be able to tell if a blade plays better if not the authenticity.
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Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 12:50pm
If I spot that post, i would've said the same thing. That blade he receive is most likely real. When something is this close to the real deal the only way to test it is playing it. Now, if you don't have the skill to test whether a blade is real or not, then you are not at the level to buy a viscaria anyways.
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Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 12:58pm
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Good price ?? Real ?? Only 997 pieces left.  
------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: in2spin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 1:00pm
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was it sarcasm? "...mine looked just like that fake one, mine is not fake...." :)
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Posted By: sderyke2002
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 1:10pm
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Take a look at this blade for sale on eBay. It has all the badges and inserts you say are not worth the effort to duplicate and has Tenergy on one side and Hurricane III on the other and is only $30. https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-HAPPINESS-HURRICANE-WANG-TABLE-TENNIS-RACKET-PING-PONG-PADDLE-LONG-HANDLE/302471966366?epid=737260694&hash=item466cbbee9e:g:KpcAAOSw9N1Vt6fu Still think they can't make fakes of reasonable quality?
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Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 1:15pm
hkl has no idea. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 1:39pm
https://imgur.com/a/fHbNRUN Ignorant gonna stay ignorant huh.
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Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 1:39pm
They use real viscaria picture for advertisement. I assure you what they get will look completely different. Probably a double happiness blade with viscaria sticker on it. Or if they ship you anything at all, probably moneygram/western union scam.
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Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 1:44pm
Again, they use real h3 t05 and blade pictures for advertisement, what you receive will not LOOK anything like it. Probably no brand rubber and wooden blade from walmart at best. If by any miracle, you get exactly what's in the picture then it's real, you are not getting it with that price though. This thread is not about OP questioning what to buy on ebay or ali. This thread is about whether his viscaria is real or not, and it's real. Period. done. /thread. The mod should've lock the thread to prevent further spread of cancer, but it seems the mod is EJ himself. Basement players who steer completely off topic(OP question and suddenly tangent to ebay/ali moneygram/western union scams), who believes they know what they are talking about(counter my arguments with sarcasm and no more), spreading completely wrong and false information to innocent new players, instead of actually helping the community.
Suggesting members for rubber is good, telling them which blade to use is good, suggesting which club to go is good. However, every so often the "i know about viscaria this and that thread/replies" is pathetic. Can anyone tell me what's so special about this blade that warrant such fantasy fiction behind it hmm? Isn't this just a ALC carbon blade made 20 years ago? Why every so often I come upon guys that can write a book about it? ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: opinari
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 2:24pm
Whoa, please calm down there. You're arguing against EJ-ing and buying multiple blades, but folks here are just asserting that the blade looks fake and there are good fakes and one should buy from reputable sources. Back to the original topic, I don't know if that Viscaria is real or not from the pictures. I would agree though with buying from reputable sources and that I have seen very good fakes (i.e., where I wouldn't be able to tell just by a picture alone). See Butterfly for their own example of a fake Zhang Jike blade. It's not all that badly made if you look just at the handle. https://butterflyonline.com/butterfly-product-authenticity/ Common sense will go a long way here. - Does it play well? Usually easy to tell if you've played with an authentic version before. The fake ALC blade I saw before was quite hard and had a lot of vibration. - Does the serial number check out? - Did you get it for way too cheap? - Was it from a reputable seller (e.g., a trusted player or a licensed seller)? In the end, this may be controversial, but perhaps who cares if it's fake if it plays great? If you like it, play with it - just don't try to sell it as real if you later find out it's fake. ------------- Blade: BTY Zhang Jike ALC-CS FH: BTY Tenergy 05 BH: BTY Rozena |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 3:06pm
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^+1. it wasn't controversial until I stumble upon this post. I was the only one who argue for the blade's authenticity. it just show how egoistic and sad of the state this forum had become. We get players who don't even have proper grip spreading false info to new players. At the end of the day, the blade is well made, if you play it and you like it then great. ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 3:45pm
Actually you have started several. |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 3:53pm
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To the OP, you have a fake Viscaria blade. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 3:53pm
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The neck looks a bit long, but other than that the pictures are not clear enough for me to say one way or the other. With the rubbers off maybe I can tell, or if I have it on my hand then I can definitely tell right away, as I have played with quite a few of them.
Edit: I have to add that I am leaning toward it being fake though.
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Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 3:53pm
| Does the serial number check out? Seems like the place to start any discussion and wonder why the OP has not bothered to send the number to Butterfly or for that matter show a photo of it without rubbers. What made him wonder about its authenticity? |
Posted By: SmileTT
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 4:18pm
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I don't see any immediate problems with what is shown in the pictures above. Surely we can find out more if the OP decides to remove the rubbers, or remove this from thought and be happy about his purchase. ------------- Xiom Omega IV Euro | Freitas ALC | Xiom Omega IV Euro https://tinyurl.com/yaoh8suu" rel="nofollow - Feedbacks |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 4:23pm
| OP seems to not have returned. Maybe when he does we can return to the topic. |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 4:28pm
few years ago but not now. ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 4:33pm
boy, aren't you a young guy? and you started flame wars a few years ago. No wonder so many people have it in for you.
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Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 4:59pm
Sometimes flame wars are fun. I don't do that not in this forum anymore. I found places where I get right audience for my soapbox =).
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Posted By: tkobe
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 7:02pm
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OKEY, Thanks guys for your advices. Sad thing I bought a fake blade... What aboyt the rubbers , do You think they are also fake? PEACE
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 7:04pm
| You wont be the first. How does it play? |
Posted By: tkobe
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 5:03am
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Good question. Im not that pro into to recognize the real viscaria using it. But after that opinions thats a fake its psychological thats the blade sucks, everybody knows that feeling. To be honest i was playing this once so far so let me try it again but I was sure there is no way that this is fake at the beggining but chinese are everwhere... I would love to see the real viscaria live than I can compare it one to another.
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Posted By: tkobe
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 6:47am
| I paid 80 euro for this ;/ |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 7:17am
Do you want to buy a Yinhe Pro Power, BRAND NEW (plays exactly like Viscaria but tiny bit faster) for half the price you paid for the fake viscaria from me? I'm also selling a DHS Fang Bo 2 for the same price, used twice. Sorry for the shameless advert, but drop me a PM if you need me to hook you up. ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 7:36am
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 10:25am
| tkobe, fake (if) does not necessary mean play poorly. why don't you give it a chance before discarding it |
Posted By: sderyke2002
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 10:44am
Sorry you are wrong. I know because I bought one and they look just like it does in the pictures, and I paid precisely what they advertised it for. But I play Tenergy and I own a real Hurricane H-WL with real Hurricane 3-50 (bought through Paddle Palace) so I can compare and they are no where near the quality rubber or bat, though the fakes that arrived still look great. I can post pictures of my real bat and the cheap one from eBay side by side if you don't believe me. I still have them both. As for the other side of the issue, I am not saying the bat or even rubber is unplayable (its a nice cheap All Around bat - heck I even put real Tenergy 05 and 05FX on the eBay bat because I wanted something a little slower to go with that combo). But the point still is - that it is not the equipment advertised and it is of high enough quality in appearance to fool many amateur players.
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Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 11:41am
How would you know what a proper grip is, care to tell that to the Boggans or the Seemillers ? ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: wilkinru
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 12:02pm
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One of the best ways to avoid fakes is to buy less popular blades used. I don't think I could find a fake Timo Boll ZLF. ------------- TB ZLF inverted inverted |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 12:08pm
The ALC is cheap !!  ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: taczkid
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 5:18pm
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I would say that yes some things look fake to me, but after further looking and zoomin in on the grain of the wood etc I think it is 100% Real Butterfly blade. |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 5:31pm
They are trash grip. A person spending the same amount of time with a proper shakehand grip > bogy or seemillier grip any day. ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 5:47pm
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Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 5:48pm
I'm sure they can still beat you now. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 6:23pm
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I bet on my Viscaria S T this blade is a real blade for table tennis made in china. Should be better if the stamp was posted as Vinaria, Bilkaria or Milkaria, theн nobody will argue about the authenticity... You can ask the player to return the blade or another option could be to contact with the dealer that player told you he has bought it and to explain the dealer this situation. I believe the player who sold you this blade will be in trouble then and probably he will get the blade back. To buy fake blade for real money is not a big deal. About hunkeylin - I am not sure why, but some negative topics were connected with this member or I am wrong? As I remember he was using two or three accounts to scam people here or I am wrong, please moderators to confirm what's wrong with my thoughts about that member? Or he was the boy who scammed someone and months ago he "repaired" himself. Just curious about the case, but it was several years ago...And now he is again active with negative postings about f**king fake blade!!! (Sorry for my language, but I am really angry about that! So powerful keeping the thesis this blade is genuine just deserves immediate ban in my eyes. What a scammer! Shame on you!
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Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 6:29pm
He's just clueless and thinks he's always right. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 6:30pm
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And not on the last place : I offer the topic owner to re-name the topic : I WAS SCAMMED! Because I can't see any Viscaria here, but some fake and non licensed copy of the name of VISCARIA blade and I think that one is already reserved as trade mark of Butterfly Japan.
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Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 6:32pm
Then he can be so good to buy it for him, because 80 EUR is f**king good price for Viscaria (if it was real), but he thinks it is, so I can't see any problem here. And he will be probably proud of that deal, I hope so and believe in his satisfaction
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Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 7:00pm
timoboll can easily be 2600~2700 even if he switch hand every few points and invent the "hand switching playing style". Just cuz someone have some achievement regarding an outdated grip decades ago has nothing to do with anything. My original statement is "anyone who spend the same amount of time on shakehand > semmlier or boggy grip stands"; and of course he can beat me, i don't spend that much time as him in tt. However, if I train even 1/4 the amount of time he trains in tt I am sure i have no problem beating him/her or whatever. Pick any kid in ICC/Swan/MDTTC/Chicgattc that trains almost full time (around 2500~2600ish, basically 1/4 of what semelier or boogiy trains in their lifetime) and they will whip them any day.
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Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 7:21pm
I actually would. LOL 80 euro for vsicara and 2 tenergy on it? anyday everyday. Regarding that scamming thing lol, it's not me. I'm in sf, isn't that kid in euro? I recall dishonesty is not a thing for americans. Oh and that blade is real.
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Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 7:54pm
Excuse me please?! Please elaborate on this a little bit more! ------------- OSP Ultimate; Dr. Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard max, Dr. Neubauer Troublemaker 0.5 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55835&title=feed-back-for-matt-pimple" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 8:11pm
edited, dw. ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 9:13pm
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timoboll can easily be 2600~2700 even if he switch hand every few points and invent the "hand switching playing style". Just cuz someone have some achievement regarding an outdated grip decades ago has nothing to do with anything. My original statement is "anyone who spend the same amount of time on shakehand > semmlier or boggy grip stands"; and of course he can beat me, i don't spend that much time as him in tt. However, if I train even 1/4 the amount of time he trains in tt I am sure i have no problem beating him/her or whatever. Pick any kid in ICC/Swan/MDTTC/Chicgattc that trains almost full time (around 2500~2600ish, basically 1/4 of what semelier or boogiy trains in their lifetime) and they will whip them any day.
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what garage tournaments have you won to be this delusional ? ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 9:46pm
what garage tournaments have you won to be this delusional ? [/QUOTE]
2400~2500 is very obtainable for many if they dedicated 9~10 years of their life for it. At least I believe I could if I did. 2400~2500 is actually consider the low scale for a decade of training. Talented TT players can reach 2600+ with a decade under their belt. Any male kid in bayarea with parents being able continue dumping money for them to go fulltime in ICC can reach 2500+ before they head to college. Honestly, if we rewind the time and make u a 6 years old boy and get train in icc fulltime for 10 years you don't see yourself going over 2500? Maybe you can't imagine that with your current limited TT knowledge, but it's definitely doable. It's just priorities buddy.
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Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 11:51pm
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I'm asking what have you won ? So far it's all talk. Yes, you're a legend in your own mind. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: renjie1985
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 12:00am
I can share some pictures of a brand new (Real) one I have. Hope they can help other members identify fake Viscarias in the future. Actually you don't have to be an expert to tell the difference. Check the logos and JTTAA mark.   |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 12:20am
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^ all i see here is better photographic skills(better lighting, better camera, better angle). What you have and what OP have is identical. ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 12:22am
U1950 bronze on the first tourny, and money from league. No matter how little it is, my words should have more credit over many in the forum. Let's stay to the topic, what OP have is real. The lighting and the photographic skill is bad but it's real. What he have is identical to mine and I bought mine from megaspin. Again, please stop any nonsense about OP's blade being fake and get this EJ weak sh1t outta here. This place is to help forum members not spreading lies. I'll sdfu if someone classically trained put up a vid of himself with a higher rating who state this blade is 100% fake from the picture. I doubt someone would, cuz anyone with knowledge in tt would know what OP has is real or won't say it's fake from the picture at the very least.
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Posted By: renjie1985
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 12:32am
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Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 12:33am
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^ one is new, hte other is used (what op said he buy a used one). Used one have deeper color and your lighting is brighter. It's identical.
Look guys, in the next 6~18 months i'm going to create an account posting the same thing but a real viscaria and i'm gonna get a bunch of `it's fake post`. Watch me, im going to prove you guys are full of it. ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 1:17am
Actually it was his second tournament and it had to have been a ICC tournament since they seem to to the only club that credits their players as winning a "bronze" medal for losing in the semifinals of a event, whether it's one of their own tournaments or the Nationals or US Open. ------------- ustabletennisresults.com https://www.facebook.com/groups/408008237063185 |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 1:21am
That's cuz in an ICC tournament is difficult to advance so they at least reward something for semi finalist. ICC is the #1 club in usa, naturally the tournament will be full of underrated ICC kids. The event is also a lot more packed.
Edit: aren't you that kid who lied about how much you spent on TT for your rating? (like 200 bucks and usatt2000) from the post I made earlier? It seems you want to jump on this to gank up on me. I welcome it, I might come to seattle next month. You play in spttc? ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 1:44am
I was just pointing out that it wasn't your first tournament and that ICC has a loose definition of what a "Bronze" medal is. I actually first noticed their liberal use of "Bronze" medal term after a Nationals or US Open when I saw a club news letter stating theirs players won X amount of Gold, Silver and Bronze medals. Kind of hard to say someone won a Bronze medal when they don't play off the losers of the semifinals to determine 3rd and 4th place. Our next tournament up in Seattle at the club ( the SPTTC club is actually in Bellevue) is June 23-24. There's another one in July 21-22 at another club in Bellevue. Let me know when you come up, I'll cover the club drop in fee for you. I'll be gone the first two weeks of July. First week at Nationals and traveling afterwards the second week. ------------- ustabletennisresults.com https://www.facebook.com/groups/408008237063185 |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 5:21am
Notice any difference? J.T.T.A.A and JTT.A.A also the metal thing is too shiny. |
Posted By: wayla
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 7:00am
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The viscaria is definitely not genuine. The metal tag on the butt handle is definite not the correct one that Butterfly uses. the colour definitely gives it away. I have seen Bty Zhang Jike Super ZLC which is similar to OP Pic. Also the OP pic the butt of the handle.. isnt the letter "J" meant to have a line on top? If the OP took the rubber off the front face. I would bet that it will say "peirfomance" instead of perfomance on the description print
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Posted By: tkobe
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 4:31pm
YEAH! You were right! I tried this racket today and It was decent game, so not that bad deal.. Im not that pro to recognize if it is fake or not and I won my game haha so I can say it would fit for now and maybe in a few months I will try to get original viscaria next time :P Thanks for your advices Guys!
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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 06/14/2018 at 3:25pm
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Maybe all you needed was a cheap carbon knock off in the first place ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 06/14/2018 at 6:35pm
good to know you are happy with it (for now at least)
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/14/2018 at 6:38pm
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Fakes are better than they used to be and yours may well come pretty close to the feel of a real Viscaria. Just looking at the construction of it, I am not entirely surprised. |
Posted By: tkobe
Date Posted: 06/15/2018 at 5:41am
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Yeah it might be like this. But In that picture of real NEW viscaria and my used "one" I cant see any differences except that JTT.A.A Okey second thing is that aluminium logo- in a real one is brushed aluminum and mine is not that "brushed" if you know what I mean nevermind, you need to be careful buyin an used things :)
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Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 08/08/2018 at 5:37pm
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Hmmm...I still can't see any excuse of the behavior of the member hunkeylin here... So many proofs this blade is FAKE and he still continues to argue with people (?!?) About the blade as playing skills - I think each blade is good in the correct hand. I have played with fake viscaria, same construction and not a problem to play your game with good rubbers. The discomfort comes from the shape of the head and handle, but with grip and practice - everything is possible. |
Posted By: AntSj00
Date Posted: 08/10/2018 at 2:47am
1000% FAKE ------------- TB ZLC + T05 + O7E Link Feedbacks To Me : http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-antsj00_topic84038_post1041973.html?KW=" rel="nofollow - Feedbacks |
Posted By: chongqinghotpot
Date Posted: 08/10/2018 at 11:59am
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I am surprised by the poor fake job. ------------- USATT rating 2200 05Vis64 |