Heavy Metal Strength Training Blade
Printed From: Alex Table Tennis - MyTableTennis.NET
Category: Coaching & Tips
Forum Name: Coaching & Tips
Forum Description: Learn more about TT from the experts. Feel free to share your knowledge & experience.
Moderator: yogi_bear
Assistant Moderators: APW46, smackman
URL: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82790
Printed Date: 04/23/2024 at 3:47am
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Heavy Metal Strength Training Blade
Posted By: Simon_plays
Subject: Heavy Metal Strength Training Blade
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 1:13pm
|
What do people think about weighted shadow practice training blades like this one here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metal-Alloy-Table-Tennis-Strength-Training-Blade-Weight-Bearing-Ping-Pong-Racket/123075617661?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D7e55edf6c37b4e649fd50ed87aa0db51%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D123075617661%26itm%3D123075617661&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A247eb0d5-6cd0-11e8-b14e-74dbd1807781%7Cparentrq%3Aeaa6bb6b1630abd9b4019ef8fff42bf7%7Ciid%3A1" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metal-Alloy-Table-Tennis-Strength-Training-Blade-Weight-Bearing-Ping-Pong-Racket/123075617661?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D7e55edf6c37b4e649fd50ed87aa0db51%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D123075617661%26itm%3D123075617661&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A247eb0d5-6cd0-11e8-b14e-74dbd1807781%7Cparentrq%3Aeaa6bb6b1630abd9b4019ef8fff42bf7%7Ciid%3A1 My first coach had one and said it was great for helping solidify strokes. (He also used to beat me with it.) However, I haven't seen anyone else with one and they are never available in online shops. In fact, this one on ebay is the first one I've seen for sale anywhere. Do people agree that using your actual bat for shadow practice and doing leg exercises for strength training is the way to go? Or is there anyone on here who swears that one of these metal training blades helped them learn the basic strokes?
|
Replies:
Posted By: The soul of rock
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 1:30pm
|
I used to do multiballs with a blade like that. Now I can't play with any blade weighted less than 90g. My loops don't get more powerful, but doing that definitely helps me solidify my BH technique. The idea is to force yourself to use the wrist effectively; otherwise, you wouldn't last even half a basket of balls. Don't overdo it, though. ------------- Viscaria FL FH: Nittaku Hurricane 3 NEO BH: Tenergy 05 ------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69322&PID=841245" rel="nofollow - My feedback |
Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 2:24pm
| Ah, so you actually glued some rubbers on an extra heavy blade and used it for multiball? I thought this blade would just be for shadow swings. |
Posted By: The soul of rock
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 3:39pm
|
I used super glue to stick 2 very old rubber sheets on it. Be careful though. If you want to do multiballs with that set up, you'll have to warm up properly and after 1 or 2 baskets, spend the rest of the session with your normal bat to recover the feeling. ------------- Viscaria FL FH: Nittaku Hurricane 3 NEO BH: Tenergy 05 ------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69322&PID=841245" rel="nofollow - My feedback |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 4:09pm
|
Heavier training blade will always lead to a timing disaster when playing with the actual, presumably lighter set up....Have a guess how do I know this? ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 6:28pm
| I agree with Kolev on this. Also potential injury issues. |
Posted By: The soul of rock
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 8:03pm
|
Butterfly and TSP make some really heavy blades for that purpose, actually (the BTY Subuly for example). It's not as crazy as you may think. But yeah, even the easiest exercise will hurt if done wrong. ------------- Viscaria FL FH: Nittaku Hurricane 3 NEO BH: Tenergy 05 ------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69322&PID=841245" rel="nofollow - My feedback |
Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 8:15pm
| Would not recommend this!! But if anyone wants to try, feel free to write up your opinion after :) |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 06/10/2018 at 11:43pm
Would agree with that... heavy bats places undue unnecessary stress on your wrist, and can destroy the feeling of relaxation by making your muscles more tense. Hit the weights in the gym instead  ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
mickd wrote:Posted By: ZhouZhekai
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 2:31am
|
Joo Sawhyuk used a 1-2 kg racket to practice shadow play. So it could be beneficial, especially seing how consistent Joo Saehyuk is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arBm4minIzY
|
Posted By: DarkerMyLove
Date Posted: 06/11/2018 at 3:28am
|
I've
used a weighted blade for shadow drills for about 20 months. I would never
consider or suggest using a weighted blade for actual ball hitting, but
here
are some thoughts:
Arm
strength/speed shouldn't be the focus- only a byproduct of its use. The focus should be your legs using weight transfer and your hips to start the
the swing. You must practice with a conscious effort to relax your upper
back/shoulder muscles and get your arm swing started with your legs and
hips. If you are an 'arm only' swinger...a weighted blade is not for you. If
you aren't doing training/coaching w/ footwork then it would be hard to
say if a blade like this is helpful.
I'd
also say if you are in the 'Brett Clarke' camp of having a 'whippy wrist' action
on all your shots, then a weighted blade would not be good as it would not be
good for your wrist. It would be more suited for a traditional style where your
grip & wrist are not super loose, nor tight -> until the moment of impact
when you want to make your grip and wrist more rigid to maximize power. So
think spin generation from the amount of brushing and forward acceleration, rather than any type of whippy "wrist action".
I
will use it multiple times a day but max. 5-10 mins in total: varying the
types of swings. I find that it is only good for swings where there a need for
weight transfer...meaning a normal FH loop, FH/BH loop against backspin and also
i find it is fine for a normal BH. I do not use it to shadow banana flicks or
fh flicks, nor serves.
I
would not do any one swing type more than 1 min straight. I don't think it
should be used like an exercise (like running or jumping rope) or as "weight
training". You should not be swinging this thing like a madman. This kind of
blade is very supplemental and for sure one can argue that it is completely
unnecessary. However I will say that having a weighted blade does make your legs
and hips work a little harder to get the swing started so it does have an
effect. But I would not recommend everyone to go out and buy one.
In
terms of injury, like others have said you can get injured doing the most
minimal of things incorrectly or just bad luck. It can be at the gym,
jogging... I play tennis and there are always those club players that get
injured and re-injured swinging their rackets incorrectly and putting strain on their wrist or
elbows.
|
Posted By: doushikunlun
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 11:20am
Is there official instruction from butterfly on how to use the subuly? |
Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 1:26pm
After seeing you play last week I can definitely say that it didn't do your strokes any harm 
I actually did the exact same thing: 500g dumbbell at the gym in front of the mirror, 20 fh shadow swings, 20 bh shadow swings, 15 strange looks from everyone near by. Didn't injure me but doubt it did any good.
Thanks for sharing  Re the Brett Clarke camp, there is definitely a video of him illustrating forehand whip mechanics via the use of a gold club.
|
Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 10:23am
Hitting the weights in the gym is exactly what I do. It occurred to me early this year that since the plastic ball already ruined my touch, I might as well lift heavier weights in the gym. I may start a new post on this.
|
Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 1:01pm
|
I practiced every basic technique with a weighted blade. Rubber in one side and a heavy metal weight nailed to the other side. With a ball. Multiball feed. It's not for strength at all. It's for solidifying technique, since you simply can't make non fluid motions with it, and hence you train the fluidity of the technique which is the most important aspect of technique. |