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Topic: New Orange Plastic Ball 3*Posted By: jabemu
Subject: New Orange Plastic Ball 3*
Date Posted: 06/12/2018 at 4:15pm
Hi, it is yet approved the plastic ball Nittaku Nexcel 40+*** in Orange (!!).
Somebody knows where it is for sale?.
Thanks in advance.
Replies: Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 9:24am
Nittaku Nexcell expectable cost of 3 USD a piece.. really at price of gold. Double Fish V40+ 0.6 USD, on sale right now from Aliexpress. I do prefer DF, just due to my mental sanity.
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 9:40am
Poly ball is a s..t, orange balls were S..ts....orange poly balls will be big s..ts.. TT has to be played with only 1 color for the balls: white. It is already difficult to deal with the white polyballs from different brands which clubs can use in Belgian competition for instance. For instance, my club uses xushuofa but other clubs use xiom, donic, tibhar or the worst ones: stiga....each time we play away, we have to deal with totally different balls....if clubs are allowed using orange balls or white, that will add another difficultiy: you have to adapt your vision which is not easy for everybody.
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Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 11:55am
But what if you play where the walls are white? There are some other practicalities. Many seniors have told me they only can see orange.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 11:57am
cole_ely wrote:
But what if you play where the walls are white? There are some other practicalities. Many seniors have told me they only can see orange.
This discussion comes up regularly here too. Some players do moan about orange balls, but the more important issue is keeping as many venues viable as possible. They just have to get on with it for the greater good.
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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 11:59am
cole_ely wrote:
But what if you play where the walls are white? There are some other practicalities. Many seniors have told me they only can see orange.
I agree,
at some venues it is easier to see an orange ball depending on the lighting and wall color. Back in celluloid days I preferred the orange ball but had to make the switch to white with poly.
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 12:06pm
igorponger wrote:
Nittaku Nexcell expectable cost of 3 USD a piece.. really at price of gold. Double Fish V40+ 0.6 USD, on sale right now from Aliexpress.
I do prefer DF, just due to my mental sanity.
I played with DF V40+ at NCTTA tournament and those balls are absolute cr*p. For training maybe they are ok, but for match play I prefer NP40+, DHS D40+, and BTY A40+.
Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 12:49pm
I played with a Joola ball yesterday for the first time. It was absolutely terrible. We have more or less standardized on Nittaku Premiums here, so changing is always tricky.
ILya
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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 1:29pm
koshkin wrote:
I played with a Joola ball yesterday for the first time. It was absolutely terrible. We have more or less standardized on Nittaku Premiums here, so changing is always tricky.
ILya
The joola ball is terrible too. Reminds me of the XSF balls which I highly dislike now. Both of these have bad QC issues.
Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 1:32pm
DreiZ wrote:
koshkin wrote:
I played with a Joola ball yesterday for the first time. It was absolutely terrible. We have more or less standardized on Nittaku Premiums here, so changing is always tricky.
ILya
The joola ball is terrible too. Reminds me of the XSF balls which I highly dislike now. Both of these have bad QC issues.
A couple of guys at my club are going to the tournament in Vegas next week where, apparently, Joola balls will be used, so we played with those yesterday.
They are soft, light and have extremely inconsistent bounce. Using them in Vegas will make it even worse.
ILya
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Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 1:56pm
Try playing with white balls in a racquetball court. We need orange 3* poly. People who don't like oramge don't have to buy them.
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 2:04pm
When you mention the Joola balls are you referring to the Joola Flash balls? They bounce higher than the Nittaku and new DHS+ balls so I can understand why players wouldn't like them. The new ABS Joola Prime poly balls are made by DHS I'm told and they bounce similarly to the Nittaku ones. We use the new Prime balls at my club and most players are fine with them.
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 2:11pm
cole_ely wrote:
But what if you play where the walls are white? There are some other practicalities. Many seniors have told me they only can see orange.
Well, I can only speak about clubs in Belgium.
White walls in places where we have TT competition are normally not allowed.
In very low divisions, a few clubs use school halls for playing and it is possible to find some rare places with white walls.
most of the clubs have had their walls painted in light blue, grey, orange...
In my league, we have 12 teams, so 22 days of championship a season, that means 11 days away.
When you go playing away, you only have +/-30 minutes of training before the competition begins.
It is already complicated to be competitive with the different brands of polyballs of course because you are used to train with the brand which is used by your club.
If you add a different colour, that will be worse for me, because for instance :
-match day one : will play with white xushuofa;
-match day two: will play with stiga optimum white
-match day three, will play with xushuofa white
-match day four, will play with nittaku orange
-match day five, will play with joola white....
.......
I have eyes problems for switching from white to orange and from one brand of balls to another with only 30 minutes warming before competition.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 2:46pm
AcudaDave wrote:
When you mention the Joola balls are you referring to the Joola Flash balls? They bounce higher than the Nittaku and new DHS+ balls so I can understand why players wouldn't like them. The new ABS Joola Prime poly balls are made by DHS I'm told and they bounce similarly to the Nittaku ones. We use the new Prime balls at my club and most players are fine with them.
I am not sure which these are. Probably Flash. They were white with blue writing on them and I think they were seamless.
ILya
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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 06/13/2018 at 3:43pm
koshkin wrote:
AcudaDave wrote:
When you mention the Joola balls are you referring to the Joola Flash balls? They bounce higher than the Nittaku and new DHS+ balls so I can understand why players wouldn't like them. The new ABS Joola Prime poly balls are made by DHS I'm told and they bounce similarly to the Nittaku ones. We use the new Prime balls at my club and most players are fine with them.
I am not sure which these are. Probably Flash. They were white with blue writing on them and I think they were seamless.
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/05/2018 at 12:56pm
DHS balls in orange. Available soon.
Good news.
As of July2018, DHS D40+ orange coloration is to come in play. Ask for those from tt-vendors worldwide. https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/02/Balls_2018_17.pdf
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/09/2018 at 12:39am
igorponger wrote:
DHS balls in orange. Available soon.
Good news.
As of July2018, DHS D40+ orange coloration is to come in play. Ask for those from tt-vendors worldwide. https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/02/Balls_2018_17.pdf
Where do they sell them ?
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 07/09/2018 at 2:29am
Bought some orange DHS and DF 40+ a while back from taobao. They are about the same in both size and weight comparing to their white versions. The surface of them are slick like celluloid. DHS feels slow but still playable. DF seems worse and not bounce enough in play. They are not perfect but at least I can play with 40+ at last with a group of seniors who have undergone eye surgery in a white wall environment. We are stuck to play with orange celluloid all these years until now.
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Posted By: qpskfec
Date Posted: 07/09/2018 at 2:57am
I asked Zeropong about orange abs balls since they are now selling seamed white abs balls.
They said that they do not sell orange abs balls at this time because the additives to make the abs orange causes the balls to fail the ittf hardness test.
I suspect that while some orange abs balls are on the approved list, mfrs like DHS have not figured out how to produce them in volume. They were able to make small batches of balls that could pass ittf testing, but cannot do full production yet.
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/09/2018 at 5:52pm
ORANGE BALLS ON SALE, NOW
You will be overjoyed about https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m.1000862.1000725.196.4841514566IJs7&id=573222847823&is_b=1&cat_id=2&rn=82639500517240ffee22629a9a94064b" rel="nofollow - the price
Posted By: pdotec
Date Posted: 07/11/2018 at 2:18pm
dhs d40+ bicolor ball is also available. But they have no star rating and only CTTA approved.
Maybe the are using up not up to ittf standard orange halves ....
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/12/2018 at 2:34am
NEWLY-BAKED BALLS, in orange.http://mytabletennis.net/forum/mtt_images/bar_rightcorner.jpg
The balls currently available from two Taobao sellers, some 0.3 USD per one. The data codes embossed on the box XF AH = 06 18.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.w4004-8888085763.17.79862d7fgyDJX6&id=42804009160" rel="nofollow - Welcome to Taobao the marketplace full with goodies countless.
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Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 07/12/2018 at 9:31am
pdotec wrote:
dhs d40+ bicolor ball is also available. But they have no star rating and only CTTA approved.
Maybe the are using up not up to ittf standard orange halves ....
I have these. Bought from Aliexpress. The balls are of good quality, the seem is super smooth (in fact indistinguishable). Bought them to see if they could help to read the spin better. So they don't. Even on moderate spin/speed topspins you can't see the rotation, the ball seems orange. Same with opponents serve. If it's a low speed serve there is not enough time to read the opponents racket movement, get ready to receive the serve and at the same time stare at the ball trying to see how it rotates. It's still has to be done the usuall way - from opponents racket movement, contact point, balls trajectory... if the serve is a high speed one, you won't see even if you didn't prepare to receive, cause eye can't distinguish the fast rotation at high speed. This ball could be useful if you are learning /practicing a new serve, to see the quality of the spin applied, as you have more time and usually don't produce fast enough serves if you are trying to at the beginning...
Most fresh batch by DHS, marked with letters XF AH, June 2018.
Be Happy.
Posted By: opinari
Date Posted: 07/24/2018 at 4:52pm
Great news - I just received word from Paddle Palace that they expect to receive practice orange balls from Nittaku in six months (J-Top) and then three star balls in six months to a year!
No word yet though on when they will stock DHS orange balls.
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 07/24/2018 at 5:12pm
News Flash (Sorry Opinari, I will buy you a drink in NYC if you come out next time I am in town)
USA buyers will make a run on the store and the buyers will make a run on the bank. Result is we have no balls after a month.
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Posted By: AntSj00
Date Posted: 07/24/2018 at 10:26pm
kakapo wrote:
cole_ely wrote:
But what if you play where the walls are white? There are some other practicalities. Many seniors have told me they only can see orange.
Well, I can only speak about clubs in Belgium.
White walls in places where we have TT competition are normally not allowed.
In very low divisions, a few clubs use school halls for playing and it is possible to find some rare places with white walls.
most of the clubs have had their walls painted in light blue, grey, orange...
In my league, we have 12 teams, so 22 days of championship a season, that means 11 days away.
When you go playing away, you only have +/-30 minutes of training before the competition begins.
It is already complicated to be competitive with the different brands of polyballs of course because you are used to train with the brand which is used by your club.
If you add a different colour, that will be worse for me, because for instance :
-match day one : will play with white xushuofa;
-match day two: will play with stiga optimum white
-match day three, will play with xushuofa white
-match day four, will play with nittaku orange
-match day five, will play with joola white....
.......
I have eyes problems for switching from white to orange and from one brand of balls to another with only 30 minutes warming before competition.
I agree. With the white & orange balls it is quite confusing from the sight. ITTF is too ambiguous by Approving to the existence of a Orange 40+ ball. Again this makes me confused.
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Posted By: opinari
Date Posted: 07/25/2018 at 11:07pm
BH-Man wrote:
News Flash (Sorry Opinari, I will buy you a drink in NYC if you come out next time I am in town)
USA buyers will make a run on the store and the buyers will make a run on the bank. Result is we have no balls after a month.
Haha, good point - I'll take you up on that drink (and a game) next time you're in town!
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Posted By: opinari
Date Posted: 07/25/2018 at 11:08pm
I have to admit - I also asked if I could pre-order some balls to get ahead of the crowds! Alas, I was told no such luck.
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FH: BTY Tenergy 05
BH: BTY Rozena
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 07/26/2018 at 12:17am
Plays much like other Nittaku balls.
Posted By: Shifu
Date Posted: 07/26/2018 at 1:48am
Wow where did you get that photo? NexCell is the new unreleased ball.
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 07/26/2018 at 2:36am
Fabian1890 wrote:
Wow where did you get that photo? NexCell is the new unreleased ball.
I'm testing it. But I only have the one ball.
Posted By: Shifu
Date Posted: 07/26/2018 at 2:49am
So what does it play like? Whatโs the main difference to NP40+ and DHS D 40+? Thanks
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 07/26/2018 at 2:54am
Fabian1890 wrote:
So what does it play like? Whatโs the main difference to NP40+ and DHS D 40+? Thanks
I was told to expect it to bounce slightly higher, but I haven't noticed that in actual play.
Most of my club mates use Nittaku balls (Premiums for serious matches, J-Top and similar training balls for practice). I would see the Nexcell plays very similar to those.
I also have some D40+ balls which I like and use for practice. My club mates won't use them for match play, mostly out of bias in my opinion.
The interesting thing is that while a few people really like the orange color, most people seem indifferent. Having got used to white (in the old days, no one would willingly play with white), now they just don't care that much about color.
Posted By: Shifu
Date Posted: 07/26/2018 at 9:30am
Is the spin the same or more? Is the ball smooth or does it stop on the table a lot because of the friction?
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 07/26/2018 at 1:22pm
I'm still evaluating it. I'll post when I have something more definitive to say.
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/26/2018 at 2:12pm
We have Big Mac beef burger for 2,60 USD hear in my home town. Nittaku Preemium balls 3.20 USD. insane price, indeed.
I delighted eating all the MacDons(C) foods and drink Russian sour milk called "Kefir" ... We Russian habituals, not so wealthy as Americans.. We always play with china-made balls, from Aliexpress mostly.
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 07/26/2018 at 4:30pm
We have Big Mac beef burger for 2,60 USD hear in my home town. Nittaku Preemium balls 3.20 USD. insane price, indeed.
I delighted eating all the MacDons(C) foods and drink Russian sour milk called "Kefir" ... We Russian habituals, not so wealthy as Americans.. We always play with china-made balls, from Aliexpress mostly.
Really insightful input as usual, Igor...
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Posted By: proSpin
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 1:09am
Come on, the least you could do is upload a nicer picture
I received the Sample Nexcel ball 2 weeks ago. And for sure, i can tell you that it does not play anything like Nittaku SHA/Premium.
It does play a little like the old Celluloid balls but not as hard.
The sound of the ball is decent, does not sound too plastic like SHA or too hard like Premium. Clubmates commented that it is nice but they are not used to seeing orange ball after playing white for so long. Speed is decent, however, i feel spin is not too heavy. On hitting, the ball seems to be lighter than D40+. I keep getting the impression that the ball is at 40mm instead of 40+mm, maybe when the official ones get released, they are more consistent or even better.
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Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 2:31am
proSpin wrote:
Come on, the least you could do is upload a nicer picture
I received the Sample Nexcel ball 2 weeks ago. And for sure, i can tell you that it does not play anything like Nittaku SHA/Premium.
It does play a little like the old Celluloid balls but not as hard.
The sound of the ball is decent, does not sound too plastic like SHA or too hard like Premium. Clubmates commented that it is nice but they are not used to seeing orange ball after playing white for so long. Speed is decent, however, i feel spin is not too heavy. On hitting, the ball seems to be lighter than D40+. I keep getting the impression that the ball is at 40mm instead of 40+mm, maybe when the official ones get released, they are more consistent or even better.
You do have the better picture. Truthfully, my pic was made as quick as possible.
My feelings about the Nexcel are different from yours. First, you lumped the SHA and Premium balls together. I assume you didn't mean those two played similar at all, since they are very different.
Regarding the Nexcel and the Premium (I wouldn't bother to even mention the SHA), I think they are very close. Most of our players found the Nexcel very close to the Premium. If I had the Nexcel in white, I could probably swap balls and most wouldn't notice the difference (given that there is a fair amount of variance among plastic 40+ balls in general).
I did have an interesting experience regarding spin. I was playing a long time club mate. When playing this fellow, it's important to vary spin a lot (for me, this means switching between slow loops and loop drives). With the Nexcel ball, I couldn't get enough spin to make effective slow loops. The result was that I struggled to win. Then it gets interesting: after nine tough games (me 6-3), we played one more match a white Premium 40+ ball. The difference was phenomenal -- 3-0 at 3, 3, 4.
I can't feel that spin difference when practicing and doing drills. But in game play, I really felt the Premiums delivered more spin than the Nexcel. To me, this is a big deal. I played mostly heavy top spin with the celluloid balls and the change over to plastic really hurt my game due to the decrease in spin. So in playing with 40+ balls, I go for whichever generates the best spin.
Posted By: proSpin
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 2:41am
benfb wrote:
proSpin wrote:
Come on, the least you could do is upload a nicer pictureย ย
I received the Sample Nexcel ball 2 weeks ago. And for sure, i can tell you that it does not play anything like Nittaku SHA/Premium.ย
It does play a little like the old Celluloid balls but not as hard.ย
The sound of the ball is decent, does not sound too plastic like SHA or too hard like Premium. Clubmates commented that it is nice but they are not used to seeing orange ball after playing white for so long. Speed is decent, however, i feel spin is not too heavy. On hitting, the ball seems to be lighter than D40+. I keep getting the impression that the ball is at 40mm instead of 40+mm, maybe when the official ones get released, they are more consistent or even better.ย
You do have the better picture.ย Truthfully, my pic was made as quick as possible.
My feelings about the Nexcel are different from yours.ย First, you lumped the SHA and Premium balls together.ย I assume you didn't mean those two played similar at all, since they are very different.
Regarding the Nexcel and the Premium (I wouldn't bother to even mention the SHA), I think they are very close. Most of our players found the Nexcel very close to the Premium.ย If I had the Nexcel in white, I could probably swap balls and most wouldn't notice the difference (given that there is a fair amount of variance among plastic 40+ balls in general).
I did have an interesting experience regarding spin.ย I was playing a long time club mate.ย When playing this fellow, it's important to vary spin a lot (for me, this means switching between slow loops and loop drives).ย With the Nexcel ball, I couldn't get enough spin to make effective slow loops.ย The result was that I struggled to win.ย Then it gets interesting: after nine tough games (me 6-3), we played one more match a white Premium 40+ ball.ย The difference was phenomenal -- 3-0 at 3, 3, 4.
I can't feel that spin difference when practicing and doing drills.ย But in game play, I really felt the Premiums delivered more spin than the Nexcel.ย To me, this is a big deal.ย I played mostly heavy top spin with the celluloid balls and the change over to plastic really hurt my game due to the decrease in spin.ย So in playing with 40+ balls, I go for whichever generates the best spin.
Members in my club hated to play with Nittaku premium, so they know it is nothing like premium. Not even close to premium in my opinion. lol
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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 2:42am
Nittaku NEXCELL bogus. You can surely tell a bogus ball through the blurriness of the stamp. Yes, you can get this bogus product from a China marketplace, priced at 2.50 USD. Chinese can make much money by selling those fake NEXCELL.
Be happy.
Posted By: proSpin
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 2:45am
My comparison with SHA and Premium were due to the same Brand. Not because of the feeling. It would be logica to make comparisons with balls from the same brand to notice any significant changes in feeling. Next is comparison with popular TT balls. The sound and pitch of Premium nittaku 40+ is so different, also feeling! Very different experience for us indeed. Because if I were to compare, I wouldnโt compare it to Nittaku Premium 40+ because it was heaven and earth differences.
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Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 2:47am
igorponger wrote:
Nittaku NEXCELL bogus. You can surely tell a bogus ball through the blurriness of the stamp. Yes, you can get this bogus product from a China marketplace, priced at 2.50 USD. Chinese can make much money by selling those fake NEXCELL.
Be happy.
I know my ball isn't fake, because it came direct from Nittaku.
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 2:49am
proSpin wrote:
Members in my club hated to play with Nittaku premium, so they know it is nothing like premium. Not even close to premium in my opinion. lol
This is very interesting. Virtually everyone in my part of the USA, from 1400-2600, prefers the Nittaku Premium over all other balls.
Personally, I try to play with many different balls so I'm not thrown off if a tournament requires something weird (like the recent World Veterans).
Posted By: proSpin
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 2:52am
benfb wrote:
proSpin wrote:
ย
Members in my club hated to play with Nittaku premium, so they know it is nothing like premium. Not even close to premium in my opinion. lol
This is very interesting.ย Virtually everyone in my part of the USA, from 1400-2600, prefers the Nittaku Premium over all other balls.
Personally, I try to play with many different balls so I'm not thrown off if a tournament requires something weird (like the recent World Veterans).
Unfortunately not in China where most players prefer spin. Guess players who canโt generate or receive spin love Premium because itโs easy to hit.
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Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 3:16am
proSpin wrote:
Unfortunately not in China where most players prefer spin. Guess players who canโt generate or receive spin love Premium because itโs easy to hit.
Another place where our experiences differ. I have many different Chinese 3 star balls in myc collection that I practice with regularly. The best among these is probably the DHS D40+, but none of them spin as well as the Nittaku Premium, in my experience.
If I thought that some other ball worked better for spin, that would become my new favorite.
Posted By: proSpin
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 3:28am
Lol. Nittaku premium = spin. Ok can. I can roughly estimate the difference between our level. On a separate note, Itโs easy to mistake power for spin. Especially when the ball is so heavy and hard, amateurs think itโs spin they feel.
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Posted By: proSpin
Date Posted: 07/27/2018 at 3:30am
Anyways, we let the public be the judge of that when the ball officially releases into the market shall we.
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Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 3:13am
proSpin wrote:
Lol. Nittaku premium = spin. Ok can. I can roughly estimate the difference between our level. On a separate note, Itโs easy to mistake power for spin. Especially when the ball is so heavy and hard, amateurs think itโs spin they feel.
<and from earlier post>
Unfortunately not in China where most players prefer spin.
Guess players who canโt generate or receive spin love Premium because itโs easy to hit
I wanted to respond to these, but I also wanted to wait until I had more data.
First, most people I know at all levels haven't reported any significant difference in hardness or feel of Nexcel compared to Premium. That includes amateur and professional.
Second, I asked a strong professional Chinese coach about the preferred ball for top level play. His answer was Nittaku Premium in no uncertain terms.
Third, further tests do show that while the Premium generates good spin, the Nexcel ball generates less.
Fourth, there may be a question about durability. I say this because my first test ball broke in less than a week of light use. Fortunately, I got another test ball to replace it.
It seems that some people really do like playing with an orange ball more because they can see it better. However, there are more people who seem to prefer the Premium (even in white) because they feel it plays better.
Posted By: opinari
Date Posted: 08/01/2018 at 12:08pm
igorponger wrote:
Nittaku NEXCELL bogus. You can surely tell a bogus ball through the blurriness of the stamp. Yes, you can get this bogus product from a China marketplace, priced at 2.50 USD. Chinese can make much money by selling those fake NEXCELL.
Be happy.
That's odd, the stamp for the red stars is also a bit off - in all other Nittaku balls, it's correctly aligned.
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Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 08/02/2018 at 12:48am
opinari wrote:
igorponger wrote:
Nittaku NEXCELL bogus. You can surely tell a bogus ball through the blurriness of the stamp. Yes, you can get this bogus product from a China marketplace, priced at 2.50 USD. Chinese can make much money by selling those fake NEXCELL.
Be happy.
That's odd, the stamp for the red stars is also a bit off - in all other Nittaku balls, it's correctly aligned.
It's a sample ball for testing, not shipping yet. They may be stamping them on a small hand system instead of on the factory floor.
Posted By: pdotec
Date Posted: 08/09/2018 at 1:56am
Two color balls used in Euro-Asia Matches. I assume they were DHS. Last year two color balls also
used in some (but not all) Chinese Super League matches. Not personally used them but I think it would be easy to tell no spin and spin serves. DHS for sale don't have ITTF star ratings.
Posted By: Shifu
Date Posted: 08/09/2018 at 2:22am
You canโt really see the spin better than with white balls. When it spins fast you canโt separate the different colors.
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 08/09/2018 at 3:09am
Fabian1890 wrote:
You canโt really see the spin better than with white balls. When it spins fast you canโt separate the different colors.
I just some time watching several of the videos. Admittedly, this isn't the same as playing a match with bi-colored balls, but it does give a sense of what you might be able to see. In the videos, I could tell very spiny balls from those will little spin. And with most balls I got a good indicator of spin direction.
I don't think these balls would suddenly change how we see balls, but they would improve estimating spin to some extent.
Posted By: qpskfec
Date Posted: 08/09/2018 at 1:50pm
I ordered some DHS D40+ 3* orange balls from aliexpress and got them last week.
QC was poor. 2 of the first 3 balls out of the box sounded bad, like they were cracked. I put a flashlight up to them in the dark and they didn't have any visible cracks.
The third ball played ok. The orange ball didn't play exactly like the white D40+. It seemed to float a little more.
I did a quick and dirty unscientific drop test between a handful of new D40+ orange/white balls. The orange balls consistently bounced slightly higher. Not a big difference like D40+ vs XSF seamless, but definitely a slightly higher bounce.
The orange D40+ is a good option for people who play in places with bad visibility with a warning about DHS quality control.
If other brands resell this ball under their own name and demand better QC from DHS, then that could be a better option.
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 08/31/2018 at 8:00pm
AndySmith wrote:
cole_ely wrote:
But what if you play where the walls are white? There are some other practicalities. Many seniors have told me they only can see orange.
This discussion comes up regularly here too. Some players do moan about orange balls, but the more important issue is keeping as many venues viable as possible. They just have to get on with it for the greater good.
"the greater good"
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/01/2018 at 6:08am
mog1111 wrote:
AndySmith wrote:
cole_ely wrote:
But what if you play where the walls are white? There are some other practicalities. Many seniors have told me they only can see orange.
This discussion comes up regularly here too. Some players do moan about orange balls, but the more important issue is keeping as many venues viable as possible. They just have to get on with it for the greater good.
"the greater good"
Yes. As a whole, the potential loss of a venue is more damaging to the sport in an area than one or two players who moan during meetings and (in general) carry on playing anyway. Personally, I'd rather lose a few players than a whole venue, if it came to it, but that's just me.
We all have to make concessions for the greater good at times. For example, I'd rather our league played with one type of 40+ ball (regardless of which type that ball is) to avoid having to switch between types at different venues, and I do suggest that in meetings (trying to avoid moaning, hopefully). But I can't get the votes to get a rule change for that, so I take it on the chin and carry on even though it annoys the hell out of me. My special snowflake issues aren't massively important to everyone.
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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 09/01/2018 at 9:06am
ORANGE BALLS, EASY TO WATCH FOR AND PLAY WITH.
World's Champs 1993 were played with Nittaku balls in orange. You hardly could tell the difference in coloration on TV screen. Still, the orange is admittedly very good to trace with an eye in play. Much better as against the balls in white.
Posted By: pdotec
Date Posted: 10/07/2018 at 9:13pm
qpskfec wrote:
I ordered some DHS D40+ 3* orange balls from aliexpress and got them last week.
QC was poor. 2 of the first 3 balls out of the box sounded bad, like they were cracked. I put a flashlight up to them in the dark and they didn't have any visible cracks.
The third ball played ok. The orange ball didn't play exactly like the white D40+. It seemed to float a little more.
I did a quick and dirty unscientific drop test between a handful of new D40+ orange/white balls. The orange balls consistently bounced slightly higher. Not a big difference like D40+ vs XSF seamless, but definitely a slightly higher bounce.
The orange D40+ is a good option for people who play in places with bad visibility with a warning about DHS quality control.
If other brands resell this ball under their own name and demand better QC from DHS, then that could be a better option.
Have been training with 3 star DHS40+ balls in orange, bi-color, and white for a month. Clubs members got used to them shortly they play very similar. Even Nittaku premium snobs. Haven't come across any bad balls. Weighed a bunch of them on a high precision scale accurate to .01 gram.
DHS40+ white 2.75,2.74,2.70,2.75,2.71 grams
DHS40+ orange 2.70,2.72,2.71,2.71,2.73,2.72 grams
DHS40+ Bi-Color 2.72,2.68,2.73,2.76 grams
Had 1 DHS40+ (from ProTour with paddle logo) 2.77grams
in comparison
Nittaku 40+ 3 star made in Japan 2.67,2.68,2.69,2.70,2.72
Nittaku is a better ball but it is 4-6x more expensive.
The DHS orange ball is a very dull orange compared to previous celluloid balls. Still a good option in places with white walls and daylight glare. All balls come in 10 packs, .60 each from several Aliexpress sellers with free shipping. White and orange balls are 3 star ittf approved. Bi-color balls have no star
rating with CTTA aproved.
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 12/10/2018 at 11:19pm
PDOTEC, where are you getting round DHS D40+'s that lack the uneven weight spots?
also, the ORANGE NITTAKU LESS SPIN BALL IS FINALLY HERE!
https://www.paddlepalace.com/NIttaku-3-Star-Nexcel-40-Orange/productinfo/BNAXL/" rel="nofollow - Cheaper than Premiums and Orange with less spin!
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 12/11/2018 at 2:09am
icontek wrote:
PDOTEC, where are you getting round DHS D40+'s that lack the uneven weight spots?
also, the ORANGE NITTAKU LESS SPIN BALL IS FINALLY HERE!
https://www.paddlepalace.com/NIttaku-3-Star-Nexcel-40-Orange/productinfo/BNAXL/" rel="nofollow - Cheaper than Premiums and Orange with less spin!
The Paddle Palace Club (which is owned by, and adjacent to, the main paddlepalace.com offices) had a tournament last Saturday using the new Nexcel orange balls. I had to put out at the last minute due to illness, but I spent last week practicing with the orange nexcel. It was not a pleasant experience. That lack of spin is like going back to the first generation of plastic balls. Might as well be playing with bowling balls.
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 12/12/2018 at 4:54pm
benfb wrote:
icontek wrote:
PDOTEC, where are you getting round DHS D40+'s that lack the uneven weight spots?
also, the ORANGE NITTAKU LESS SPIN BALL IS FINALLY HERE!
https://www.paddlepalace.com/NIttaku-3-Star-Nexcel-40-Orange/productinfo/BNAXL/" rel="nofollow - Cheaper than Premiums and Orange with less spin!
The Paddle Palace Club (which is owned by, and adjacent to, the main paddlepalace.com offices) had a tournament last Saturday using the new Nexcel orange balls. I had to put out at the last minute due to illness, but I spent last week practicing with the orange nexcel. It was not a pleasant experience. That lack of spin is like going back to the first generation of plastic balls. Might as well be playing with bowling balls.
So as long as the ITTF approves balls that reduce the Chinese advantages of training there will be more upsets, and TT will become a better and more popular sport for gambling.
(e.g. the more luck involved, the less advantage the Chinese have; you can't train against random)
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 12/13/2018 at 1:19am
icontek wrote:
So as long as the ITTF approves balls that reduce the Chinese advantages of training there will be more upsets, and TT will become a better and more popular sport for gambling.
(e.g. the more luck involved, the less advantage the Chinese have; you can't train against random)
I know you're just joking, but I think the plastic balls favor the Chinese style of play. With less spin, there is greater emphasis on just fast play with power. With more spin you can play with more finesse and use clever play to compensate for the other player's speed or athleticism. Of course, you could argue that the Chinese adjust so well that it doesn't matter what kind of ball you use. Even random balls.
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 12/13/2018 at 2:13am
I also bought a few packs of orange D40+ and I'm quite disappointed with their QC. I can't explain with these ball are ITTF aprroved. They look rounder than seamless, but the way they fly at gameplay it's weird with wobling. There's also a brake effect on some of them.
I don't know why but these new batch of DHS aren't no longer the same as previous ones. Maybe it's the colour... IDK but 30/40% are utter gargabe
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 12/13/2018 at 4:07pm
benfb wrote:
icontek wrote:
So as long as the ITTF approves balls that reduce the Chinese advantages of training there will be more upsets, and TT will become a better and more popular sport for gambling.
(e.g. the more luck involved, the less advantage the Chinese have; you can't train against random)
I know you're just joking, but I think the plastic balls favor the Chinese style of play. With less spin, there is greater emphasis on just fast play with power. With more spin you can play with more finesse and use clever play to compensate for the other player's speed or athleticism. Of course, you could argue that the Chinese adjust so well that it doesn't matter what kind of ball you use. Even random balls.
If you look at how the game has changed (comparing World Cup finals from 2010 to 2018) you'll notice that the Chinese power forhand is less dominant, and that modern players use a quick attack backhand earlier.
Also, the Chinese, although still dominant, seem lose more big events more often now than during the last few years of celluloid, when they their strength and power appeared untouchable.
jonyer1980 wrote:
I also bought a few packs of orange D40+ and I'm quite disappointed with their QC. I can't explain with these ball are ITTF aprroved. They look rounder than seamless, but the way they fly at gameplay it's weird with wobling. There's also a brake effect on some of them.
I don't know why but these new batch of DHS aren't no longer the same as previous ones. Maybe it's the colour... IDK but 30/40% are utter gargabe
Where did you get them from? Return the remaining portion of the shipment and ask the supplier to replace.
If you want to see how DHS screwed those balls up, put one up to your computer monitor, with a white background screen (this page is fine). Rotate the ball and look for dark spots (these are thickness increases where the light won't pass) and you'll see why the balls have wobble, even though they are round.
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 12/13/2018 at 4:27pm
icontek wrote:
If you look at how the game has changed (comparing World Cup finals from 2010 to 2018) you'll notice that the dominant Chinese power forhand is less dominant, and that modern players use a quickj attack backhand.
Also, the Chinese, although still dominant, lose more big events more often than during the last few years of celluloid, when they were untouchable.
Chinese domination always fluctuates some, depending upon who they have playing. I think they have a better set of players the last few years compared to 2010.
The fact that the forehand is less dominant is probably due to the plastic ball and the newer quick hitting styles (like Harimoto). That doesn't mean it hasn't helped the Chinese. Where the Chinese excel is in two areas: first, general fitness. Second, they are highly trained in their fundamental skills, such as quality of loop. The plastic ball encourages more athleticism and more emphasis on fundamental skills, so this benefits them. The celluloid allowed for greater creativity and finesse, which is generally where the Europeans excel (greater variety of styles, for example).
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 12/13/2018 at 4:41pm
jonyer1980 wrote:
I also bought a few packs of orange D40+ and I'm quite disappointed with their QC. I can't explain with these ball are ITTF aprroved. They look rounder than seamless, but the way they fly at gameplay it's weird with wobling. There's also a brake effect on some of them.
I don't know why but these new batch of DHS aren't no longer the same as previous ones. Maybe it's the colour... IDK but 30/40% are utter gargabe
THE BALL MOST FAVORED WITH CHOPPERS. The orange ball is a perfect sphere. I do not see any ball wobbling upon the finger checkouts, when spinning the ball on the table with fingers. Yes, the ball may go wobbling in air at some strokes, it is a specific aerodynamic effect and choppers do like it so much. Choppers would like those orange best of all.