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Topic: Bty rozena
Posted By: GiveRotation
Subject: Bty rozena
Date Posted: 09/06/2018 at 11:26am
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Could someone please tell me the pros and cons of rozena? And a little comparison with t05 would be nice! I'm planning to get it on an innerforce alc blade both sides. Thanks |
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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 09/06/2018 at 11:52am
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C'mon try to use the search function. There's a bunch of info about that. But according to the reviews, It's a tamed version of 05FX with better control and less spin. ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: purpletiesto
Date Posted: 09/06/2018 at 12:55pm
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Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 09/06/2018 at 3:00pm
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I and a club mate both use Rozena. I use it on FH and BH play close to the table. I went from T05 to Rozena as it provided a softer spinny alternative to T05. I call it a softer T05 basically not as bouncy, great for looping B.S. flicks, and has plenty of power. My club mate is a 2000 level player and uses it on his F.H. calls it a "soft Spinny Rubber" and plays both close and mid distance. If you are using a Tenergy product it will feel familiar. I have used it on all wood and composite blades both worked well. |
Posted By: hunkeelin
Date Posted: 09/06/2018 at 5:42pm
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garbage of a rubber, just use vega pro from xiom instead if u want a cheaper more durable t05. When bty decide to put a pricetag of 499usd on a penhold ZJK penhold it's made clear BTY is here to milk. T05 have it's place but anything other t05 have better more durable alternatives. ------------- USATT: Current 2139 as of 11/2019 |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 09/06/2018 at 6:52pm
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Rozena is NOT a garbage rubber. I actually prefer it to Vega Pro. Rozena is also most similar to T80, not T05. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/06/2018 at 9:23pm
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Rozena is better as a bh rubber. A lot of german rubbers at a lower price perform better than rozena ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 09/06/2018 at 10:49pm
Out of curiosity, which ones? Rozena can be had for about 35 bucks these days. I can get it at the local shop in HCMC for about 32 since the dollar went up vs the vnd. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
yogi_bear wrote:Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 12:24am
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rozena is a good rubber for the current price however one problem I have with it is the weight. Its still as heavy as tenergy and that's not very much beginner friendly IMO. ------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 12:46am
| Uncut its 69g. Now my setup on a blade that is 158x151 with a weight of 90g is 186. |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 1:03am
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I'm currently playing short pimple on one side. A little bit of extra weight on the rubber is actually alright for me as short pimples are typically quite light. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: Halon X
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 1:28am
Compared to Stiga Genesis S which do you think is better BH rubber? I switched from Genesis S to Rozena because the weight of Genesis bothered me a bit. ------------- ITC Premier XR ITC Premier XF Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Inner LG |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 1:59am
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I don't think I could play Genesis S on the backhand, its too slow. I prefer Rozena on either wing over Genesis S. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 9:07am
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Me too. Genesis is more of a fh control rubber ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 6:05pm
sounds about right, t05 is also around 68-69g max uncut. ------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 6:53pm
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A Chinese friend got me a sample of Rozena from BTY China and I was playing with it today on my BH as a replacement of old FXS. IMO, it's not a Tenergy or a high top performance rubber but anyways, it's also great balanced rubber for that price that matches Evo FXS in Spin, Speed and control. It's around same speed as FXS, same spin or a bit less and similar mid to low-throw. Really pleasant to play with and not as demanding as Tenergy series, really recommended for players up 2400-Us rating. At 190¥ there's nothing to match Rozena as a BH soft/control rubber. So if they don't raise it's price it'll be my BH right now. ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 7:50pm
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Table Tennis Daily Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi31tPcpYWU They do note that Rozena uses Tenergy High-tension rubber – “Energy Built-In Technology.”the same Tenergy Spring Sponge with a different degree. They do not recommend the rubber for beginners. |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 9:22pm
Sorry that was a poor choice of words on my part. I think rozena is good for intermediate to advanced players who find tenergy series too much whether it being spin or speed, however it would not be the best option for someone looking to shave some weight off their racket coming from any of tenergies. ------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: achoomai
Date Posted: 09/08/2018 at 10:01pm
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Will BTY reduce price of TG as next step? ------------- My feedback : http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58844&PN=1#726094 |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 2:59am
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Posted By: Basquests
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 8:57am
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^Thing is, 'in reality you get flexon for 25 euro.' Well, comparing apples to apples, you can easily get a 'Tibhar' for 28-29 euros when on discount [regularly], or if you buy 3 get the 4th free [25% discount], at sites like TT11 or dandoy, so why bother with the Flexon? If you are comparing regular price (38 euro vs 31), or regular discount price (25 vs 29). You don't compare the special price to the RRP of the other rubber! That's not fair.
There is a value in knowing your rubber is of great quality / popular with many different players [--> suits many different players/styles]. It means you have no excuse for when shit hits the fan. Maybe that's actually a negative trait in rubber! You need an excuse! Regardless, I'd gladly pay the 5 euro premium or w/e, for my MX-P. Finally, popular rubbers you can try from others. If I want to try an ALC blade, or T05, there's plenty of people who use them. I've never seen a flexon, so its actually very expensive & risky to buy one. I get a preview of my MX-P or w/e, whereas this flexon, its 80-90% of the cost, but i'm going in blind. |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 9:36am
| Is Rozena better then Bluefire? you can get Bluefire from TTNPP for $32 with free shipping |
Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 9:43am
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My training partner switched from 05 to rozena on fh and is very happy with it. From blocking for her and doing drills the spin is just about the same as 05. The big difference is the ball goes shorter so she can play down the line or wide angles with a lot more safety. If I were you I'd give it a try. |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 9:51am
I agree with a lot of that. I'm willing to try all different types and brands of equipment. I'm currently playing with Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 48 on my forehand. I've only played 3 sessions with it so far, but I'm really liking it. You're right about Tenergy, it is really way too expensive. Rozena is in the same ballpark price-wise as the other rubbers you mentioned. The spin is very good, slightly less than T05 and T80. But, as some of the other forum members have already mentioned, Rozena offers a lot of safety and excellent control. If I was playing inverted on backhand, I'd most likely be playing Rozena on that wing. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 1:45pm
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Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 2:54pm
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Every inverted rubber eventually wears out and gets worse. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 3:20pm
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Posted By: Tyler45
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 4:18pm
| I’ve found nittaku fastarc c1 to be very durable, light (43g cut to std butterfly head) and easy to play. Not so much catapult as rozena, more linear, more spin (although tbh I only played rozena for a couple of sessions). |
Posted By: darucla
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 4:33pm
| Rozena is still £43 (apparently with discount) in England. I may get one to try, but it had better be special... |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 09/09/2018 at 5:09pm
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Rozena is great at Chinese market retail price. I won't go for it for more than 36€ which is the current price of TOP ESN rubbers, discount included. Even old Bluefires are below 30€ is some places which is great. ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: Fulanodetal
Date Posted: 09/10/2018 at 6:34pm
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" But I mean I don't need a tenergy. There are plenty of really good players that use cheaper rubbers and who am I needing to use a tenergy." I don't share this kind of thinking ("Who am I to use x brand?"). I would approach it from another angle, "which rubber suits me best?" Plenty of ppl use fallacies to argue about this rubber or that rubber. Just try a few rubbers and settle on one that suits you, which ever that equipment is (if it happens to be Tenergy, then so be it, who cares what other ppl say?!?). Gain confidence with your equipment, and don't switch again until you really really feel like you need another upgrade. To hell with modesty.... FdT
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Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/10/2018 at 8:46pm
| I'd put it in a different perspective. Let's just say that there's a certain limit of speed/ spin a rubber can produce. Tenergy probably produces more than the other rubbers. But in a match you never have to play a ton of topspins in one rally and a good spinny loop is always good enough. So even if you say tenergy suits your game, there'll be other rubbers out there that have the same arc, same hardness as the tenergy that suits you. |
Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 09/11/2018 at 4:56am
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98% of the forum members would play better with Rozena than playing Tenergy 05. ------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/11/2018 at 6:24am
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Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 09/11/2018 at 8:37am
| 100% of forum members would play better if we spent the time we spend on the forum practicing instead. |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/11/2018 at 9:06am
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Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 09/11/2018 at 10:02am
I disagree with that also. I don't think I can play more than 7 days a week. I'm already doing that.  ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 09/11/2018 at 1:55pm
Could do some extra physical training. LOL |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 09/11/2018 at 7:26pm
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I lift weights every other day. :) ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/11/2018 at 7:27pm
| Quantity is not quality. If you cut 2 days and do physical exercises one one day and rest on the other you'd probably do better. Where do you play if you play 7 times a week |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 09/11/2018 at 7:54pm
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I'm currently living in Ho Chi Minh City. There are about 6 clubs within 15 minutes of my house and probably 30 clubs within 45 minutes drive. I'm currently in-between jobs so I can take a rest most of the day while I'm not playing or going to the gym. When I go back to work, I'll cut back a bit. I was working 50+ hours a week as general manager for a hotel/restaurant for the last 3 years. The government is taking back the land that the hotel was on so they can build a road. I'm not in a super rush to find another job. lol ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 09/12/2018 at 12:57pm
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Does anyone know whether Rozena's edges are fragile like T05's? Since it can be had for less than 40 a piece, thinking to have my son try Rozena both sides instead of tenergy.. he beats the crap out of his rubbers and blades like all kids do.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 09/12/2018 at 1:07pm
Some pictures of 2nd hand Rozena on Japanese auction site.  ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 09/12/2018 at 1:47pm
Rozena is as fragile as T05. I suggest try foam edge tape on your kids racket if you want to get them Rozena, otherwise Chinese rubbers like h3 neo are really durable to impact. Search amazon for "Dovewell Table Tennis Edge Tape" and youll find a great foam tape for protection. 20 pieces for $7 or 10 for $5 ------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 09/12/2018 at 10:24pm
He plays with tensors so no to the H3. What I do now is I apply plenty of edge tape covering not only sponge but topsheet too. It takes two long pieces of tape and I overlap them a bit. It works okay. |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/14/2018 at 5:50am
| How is the arc of the rozena? I'm comming from tenergy 64 which has a lower throw more straight trajectory then tenergy 05. Is it somewhere in between? |
Posted By: Shifu
Date Posted: 09/14/2018 at 7:44am
| It’s like Tenergy 80‘s arc |