What pips does Mima use?
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Topic: What pips does Mima use?
Posted By: AcudaDave
Subject: What pips does Mima use?
Date Posted: 11/07/2018 at 7:00pm
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Watched her amazing performance at Swedish Open and would love to know what pips Mima uses on her BH. Please don’t tell me it’s Moristo SP because there is no way those are SPs. It looks like MPs or a fast attacking LP. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
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Posted By: HarmonicTT
Date Posted: 11/07/2018 at 7:36pm
| It is moristo |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 11/07/2018 at 7:49pm
| I would like to know the reason "there is no way those are SPs". |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 11/07/2018 at 8:02pm
| https://tabletennis-reference.com/player/detail/49" rel="nofollow - https://tabletennis-reference.com/player/detail/49 |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 11/07/2018 at 10:18pm
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Yes I’ve seen the reference to Moristo, but right from the start when she hits one to Zhe’s FH, Zhu hits it in the bottom of the net like it was medium or long pips. Many times when she attacked with it Zhu returns it in the bottom of the net like she is clueless. A Chinese coach I regularly even said it looks like medium or long pips. Short pips just don’t cause that much disruption normally. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: obesechopper
Date Posted: 11/07/2018 at 10:58pm
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 11/07/2018 at 11:10pm
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Hi, In observing closely her gallery of shots, there is no question that there are executions that are not characteristic of short pips. Nor, it may be said, may some of these executions be accomplished with long pips. A reliable contact I have indicated to me they are medium pips: that, when wielded with great skill and adaptability, perform as short pips with certain techniques and as long pips with other of her techniques. My strong sense is that this is a singular specialness of Mima Ito. With much subtlety and refinement, she has, through an enormous number of thoughtful training hours, developed a set of equipment-dependent techniques of very high sophistication that has contributed substantially to her success. Thanks, ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 11/07/2018 at 11:57pm
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I can see this Moristo SP going on sale real soon (strike while the iron is hot!!)  ------------- Andro Treiber Z - fl FH: Tibhar MX-D max BH: Tibhar Quantum ProX-blue,max |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 12:36am
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she uses iti biti pipi on her widdle iti biti bati ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: arteepr
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 12:39am
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I think it is new Moristo sp ax. ------------- Blade:Tibhar Fortino Pro ST 87 g BH:Xiom Vega X FH:Dianchi Special D provincial Table tennis lover<3 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=76296" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: balldance
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 2:40am
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Ito uses Moristo SP since forever. She might have changed recently but I doubt it. There seem to be no change in her BH technique. Why can she create so much difficulty for her opponents? It's because of her skills. It's not some magical rubber. |
Posted By: Halon X
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 4:26am
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I wonder what thickness of Moristo SP did she use. ------------- ITC Premier XR ITC Premier XF Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Inner LG |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 6:31am
============= Bingo. Soon Moristo SP will be selling like hot cakes.
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balldance wrote:Posted By: pingpungpeng
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 6:53am
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Mima does something like a chop block with her bh many times. This plus using the forehand smash drives loopers crazy. The chinese like liu shiwen and ding ning are not trained for this. This style is more like basic ping pong, like what you would see in a bar. |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 7:31am
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Hi, Also to keep in mind is that the ITTF does not have a medium pimples category; it is not recognized by them. They have "in" and "out" and "long" and "anti". Two years ago I became so enamored with Mima Ito's backhand that I played with the commercial version of the rubber for 6 months, with most of the motivation to assist my students in their development. Based on my understanding of the argot, it is medium pips; it feels like it and plays like it. I also concluded that her sponge is not an out-of-the-package sponge, for her powerful backhand must be augmented with either a different sponge, or boosting, or both. Thanks, ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 9:13am
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That makes sense Don. Watching how she uses it and how much trouble it causes for her opponent makes me think it’s a MP. The Chinese coach I practice with also said it’s probably a special version made just for her. I see that Moristo comes in 1.4 and 1.9, but she may have her own special thickness. If I had to guess I’d say she is playing with the 1.4 thickness due to her control and the disruptive effect. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 9:15am
I tried a LP from a korean proplayer kim kyun ah and its very disturbing Unlike the comercial version which its easy to play against |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 10:36am
Has always been:  ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: HuLimei
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 10:47am
| hai everyone the reason Miu Hirano is losing is because she uses Clipper once she switches to a BTY ALC blade she will rank #1 that's a FACT |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 11:01am
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WHY ITO MIMA SUPERIOR TO OTHER GIRLS BY FAR ? MIMA ITO looks hefty, sturdy gal. This massive muscularity is a great advantage over all the other gals. ITO's daily physical exersise is punching the "sand bag" vigorously, like a boxer. It is Japanese COACHING KNOWHOW, not so popular in China yet. |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 11:08am
Lsst time I checked ittf gallery I saw h3 in FH |
Posted By: HuLimei
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 11:12am
Ito can definitely bench more than the average forum user here.
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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 11:29am
Can BTY solve global warming and cure cancer? |
Posted By: HuLimei
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 11:37am
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Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 11:40am
She changed to Moristo SP AX (came out late month), may be it helped ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 11:47am
Hefty? She is one of the tiniest athletes I have ever seen. |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 12:02pm
Dont you see igor is swimming in vodka? |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 12:03pm
. |
Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 12:44pm
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Are you crazy? She's 1.50. She has no power, only speed. But she's like half a second faster than everyone else, or at least she was in that tournament, so you got to see from the world's top chinese players the same expressions a completely noob makes when playing against someone good |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 3:55pm
She was on H3 Turbo Orange in 2017 but switched back to Fastarc G-1 at the start of 2018. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 7:19pm
Because time is a factor in the calculation of power, it is precisely her speed which gives her power. The work of hitting the ball is performed over a shorter period of time (i.e. she's faster, she has more speed), therefore her power is greater than someone who does the same amount of work but takes longer to do it. You may be more correct to say she has less strength, given that the ability to lift a weight is not dependent upon speed. I think what we were looking at in Mima Ito's matches was a clear demonstration that she hits the ball harder than her opponents. There were any number of points where she just blasted the ball past them before they could react - a clear demonstration of her "power".
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Posted By: trumpet_guy
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 7:49pm
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Mima Ito's reliance on flat hitting raises the risk that her shot will miss the table, but if she has the height on the ball to allow a straight smash, the linear speed of the ball will be faster than that of a loop. The amazing thing is that she has become so accurate and quick with her flat hit shots that she doesn't need to loop as often. Chinese top-spinners loop and aren't prepared for Ito's approach, it seems.
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Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 8:19pm
But I doubt that a top level Chinese player will have any trouble with spin reversal even from frictionless long pips... It has to be Ito's speed and placement. That being said I always thought that Moristo being a short pip acts much closer to a medium pip rather then inverted ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/08/2018 at 9:15pm
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Deng Yaping, .. Mima's immediate predecessor. It was Deng Yaping's overwhelming dominance throughout 90s, that suggested Nipponese coaches the idea of Short Pips being the best choice for Mimo Ito's special benefits. |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 12:23am
I would assume the immediate predecessor is Ai Fukuhara... 😆 Deng played with long pip backhand ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 1:37am
She said that she was influenced by wang tao |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 1:48am
Are you sure? |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 4:05am
That's why people differentiate 正貼(shortpips), 生膠(raw pips), and 半長膠(medium pips) in China. Moristo SP falls under the type of raw pips. Raw pips produces less spin but is comparable in speed to shortpips, but with additional 下沉(sinking) effect. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 7:38am
Thanks for the comment. I'm not confident about this analysis of the Chinese perspective as it relates to Ito's Moristo rubber and its usage. Out-of-the-package Moristo is not comparable to short pips in speed. Ito's backhand certainly is comparable in speed to short pips, which suggests a specialize rubber sheet. Out-of-the-package Moristo does have the quality of "additional (sinking) effect" of what we and the ITTF refers to as a "long" pimples characteristic. It is not clear from your contribution the playing attributes of medium pips from the Chinese perspective. Thanks, ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 11:26am
The Chinese classification of raw and “cooked” pips refers more to the manufacturing process of the top sheet rubber (difference being heat treatment) so it is less about playing characteristic. I mean in general the raw pips have less grip and more sink then the ‘cooked’ ones but you can find a huge variation of playing characteristics with in each category, for example both TSP Spectol and 729 563 are both raw pips however they play very very differently and it is the same with Superspinpips and Baxter F1A both being ‘cooked’ pips. I am not sure why you would think Moristo does not have comparable shortpip speed because it is plenty fast(but it is also true that Ito may be using a special version not available on the market)... Moriso is a raw pip with short pip length, to me it plays like a less spinny spectol with more sink. The sink with the right placement and speed of return could totally cause the opponent to loop the ball into the net. Also i am sure that the sink is more often referred to as a short or medium pip effect not a long pip effect. Long pips reverses/ continues the spin while most of the time shortpip takes off the spin which causes the sinking effect ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 11:44am
Ito has to flat hit on the BH because she is a shortpip player... ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 12:08pm
| Deleted. Wrong thread. |
Posted By: nathanso
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 3:10pm
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Moristo SP AX is brand new to the market and few retailers appear to have it yet. It wouldn't surprise me if Ito was one of the first in the world to get it, and if she's Nittaku-sponsored she may have even had a part in its development. As an SP/MP player myself who campaigned LP for many years, I saw nothing inconsistent with her play in Sweden last week to make me think she was using anything but a fast, spinny SP on her backhand. What's more surprising is how she successfully uses her inverted like an SP on the forehand, flat-hitting through her opponents' loops with devastating success. Could this be the rise of a new playing style, and possibly an SP resurrection?! ------------- BBC, SP, LP |
Posted By: pingpungpeng
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 3:52pm
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 5:31pm
Still have no info.if ito is using AX. Yes quick close attack is succesful |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/09/2018 at 6:12pm
http://5b0988e595225.cdn.sohucs.com/images/20181104/33d83108dc9b4a20a7b61f1fae34ab9a.jpeg This was from last week. Clearly she is sill using Moristo SP. Interesting to note that she experimented with using the Stiga Nostalgic earlier this year, but stuck with the Acoustic Carbon. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/22/2018 at 7:43am
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CLONE. Aborted |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/22/2018 at 7:54am
BOXING DRILLS IS OF RUSSIAN ORIGIN. I am happy to promulgate so now. It was about 1970s that Russian coach, Ferdman Moishe, propounded those punching works using the hanging sandbag so as to further empower his daugther's attacking play.  Mima Ito, prodigy child of Japan, just followed Ferdman's example to her particular benefit. Some Gun-machine. 伊藤表示自己小时候妈妈逼着自己进行乏味的体能训练，由于觉得太乏味了便没有坚持下去，经历2017年一整年的低迷后，在妈妈和教练的劝说下，又恢复了这种枯燥的训练。伊藤主动逼迫自己，进行了不少高强度的体能训练其中包括高强度的拳击练习。 [/QUOTE] |
Posted By: purpletiesto
Date Posted: 11/22/2018 at 10:17am
I heard she punches the sand bag with bare knuckles. It's like a 3 times per day routine, also. Plus, her drink bottle is only ever filled with the strongest homemade japanese moonshine.
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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/22/2018 at 11:23am
Maybe igorponger can give her a pic of igor to attach it to the punchbag and train |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 11/22/2018 at 11:44am