About XIOM Icecream AZXi
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Topic: About XIOM Icecream AZXi
Posted By: lovett2011
Subject: About XIOM Icecream AZXi
Date Posted: 12/21/2018 at 3:35am
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Icecream AZX i  Icecream AZX FL     Hope it will be helpful info for someone who is interested in Icecream AZX! |
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Posted By: windysummer1
Date Posted: 12/21/2018 at 1:24pm
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Nice ------------- My feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79696 |
Posted By: windysummer1
Date Posted: 12/21/2018 at 1:46pm
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So the fh handle is orange？ ------------- My feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79696 |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/21/2018 at 2:07pm
| I think most players will play ALC/orange on the FH but depending on what you prefer some may play it the other way. There is no set FH/BH |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 12/21/2018 at 3:05pm
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The alc according to xiom is kuch thicker to balance the blade that is why the apc side seem to be faster. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: windysummer1
Date Posted: 12/21/2018 at 3:43pm
Totally agree ------------- My feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79696 |
jpenmaster wrote:Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 12/21/2018 at 11:43pm
Huh?? ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/22/2018 at 12:05am
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I have one on the way from Korea . Hopefully I can give a detailed review soon. I have some Omega 7 Pro and T05 Hard/T05 to test on it. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 12/23/2018 at 9:25am
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I'm curious to see how each Ice Cream blade compares to the Hayabusa ZXi, which is my all-time favorite blade. Still a little confused over which model, the AZX or the AZXi will be closer. If you watch Simon's video on You tube, he says that if you currently play a koto blade, you'll be better off with the AZX, and if you are a limba player, go with the AZXi. However, the Hyabusa ZXi has the Zephilium plies towards the middle like the AZXi, whereas the AZX has the Zephilium and Arylate plies close to the surface. Very confusing. ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: melaal
Date Posted: 12/24/2018 at 2:46am
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I'm also little confused over
which model, I used Marcos Freitas ALC , limba outer but the ALC direct under 1st wood layer such as AZX not inner ????
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Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/24/2018 at 10:20am
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Right now only AZX is available . From the limited specs AZX is a Viscaria with a more controlled BH and AZXi is similar to a HL5 with a more controlled BH. Depending on total thickness, ply thickness,composite thickness and weight will depend if they are slower or faster than the 2 mentioned blades. I will have an AZX before New Years so hopefully I can give a review soon. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 12/24/2018 at 5:35pm
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Looks to me like a heavily advertised niche product that probably isn't that great |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 12/24/2018 at 6:14pm
------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/24/2018 at 7:29pm
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Yogi has a review of the AZX on TTD ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 12/25/2018 at 9:20am
------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/25/2018 at 11:06am
| Sounds like the 47.5 degree ESN rubbers will be the best set up for most players. |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 12/25/2018 at 11:38am
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Xiom has set prices for their blades ridiculously high. I don't think their previous feel series sell well. If they price these two blades over $200, it definitely is an off to the market. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 12/25/2018 at 2:48pm
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The azxi version probably might be have better control ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/25/2018 at 3:08pm
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Unfortunately $150-$200+ is the going rate for a premium composite blade. Butterfly, Nittaku, Stiga, Xiom and others all have them in that price range even Chinese manufacturers like DHS offer blades over $200. None of them have an issue selling at that price so that's what we are stuck paying ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 12/25/2018 at 3:53pm
First, it's the most heavily advertised blade I've seen so far in the west, so that's a given as far as I'm concerned. Secondly, it's a niche kind of product because nobody really makes those and nobody has really yet to buy. Thirdly, no pros that I know of play with a hybrid blade. It certainly is no secret that such blades can be made, but nobody really seems to do it or buy it. So I figure, 1) heavily advertised, 2) niche product, 3) probably not that great That said, it definitely can be good, which is why I only said 'probably'. Maybe it's the wave of the future and all the pros will adopt this kind of setup within a couple of years, who knows. Quite probably if it's very effective. |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/25/2018 at 4:05pm
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Mine will be here in the US on Thursday. I will have a 4 hour training session with it on Sunday. I should have a good feel for what it's all about by then. I will start with 07P and then switch it to T05 if I'm not happy. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/28/2018 at 5:15pm
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Received the blade today. Blade weighs 89g and frequency on both sides is 1600hz which is about 125hz higher than something like Viscaria and even a little higher than ZJK ZLC. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 12/28/2018 at 9:46pm
| Is that on a par with Carbonado 290? Has anyone frequency tested that one? |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/28/2018 at 11:05pm
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Only had an hour or so with it tonight. It's well built and very balanced. The blade with rubbers feels light in the hand. It is fast and stiff but does offer feedback. The 2 sides have a slightly different feel and trajectory but it's not like 2 different blades, not that I expected that anyway. This is a pro level blade it's not the Viscaria FH with a more controlled BH that would be best for most players. It's a Super Viscaria (LOL) with a Timo ZLC BH. I found looping a little difficult but direct drives ,smashes and blocking very easy. I used Omega 7 Pro max thickness on both sides. With the trajectory of this set up T05 might be a better choice with its higher throw. I plan on playing with it again for a few hours on Sunday I should have it sorted out better after that. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 12/31/2018 at 3:21pm
That it is heavily advertised says nothing about the blade (except that it's a high margin product :D ). But for sure it is hard to imagine any pro playing with. Also, as Lightzy pointed, it's a niche product too. I'd say blade targets mid or mid-higher level players, who are an into trying new stuff and EJunking and have some extra cash, as 200USD it's on the upper price end.. High level amateurs I'd say don't need such stuff. They have their technique developed enough to make their way with the stuff they've been playing for years. Nevertheless, it is a very good thing that Xiomi invested money and knowledge into developing new stuff. More stuff, more variety (and that could be definitely called a new stuff when comparing to butterfly giving names to basically the same blades for years) is a great thing for TT enthusiasts
------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/31/2018 at 3:48pm
| Thanks for the offer . I have so many blades to test right now but maybe I will try it out later on. |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/31/2018 at 4:03pm
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Back to the Xiom this blade does not work for me. It's too stiff .I like to play close and mid distance. At close range it's ok but at mid distance with O7P the throw is just way too low and long. There was just no margin of error.if the blade wasnt so stiff/fast I would try T05 for more of an arc but i would be wasting my time. If you like to drive,hit,smash close to the table or play short pips this might be a good blade for you ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: windysummer1
Date Posted: 12/31/2018 at 4:10pm
what if you use the zlc side as fh? ------------- My feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79696 |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/31/2018 at 4:23pm
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Doesn't really matter cause the blade is too stiff. You can feel the different hardness from side to side but the stiffness is based off the whole blade. It has the same pitch/frequency as a ZJK Super ZLC but is thicker..... my training partner liked it. My coach and I didn't. So like anything it will be personal preference. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: windysummer1
Date Posted: 12/31/2018 at 8:00pm
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How thick is the blade ------------- My feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79696 |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/31/2018 at 8:29pm
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Xiom states 5.7mm ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 12/31/2018 at 8:43pm
I m disapointed with expensive gear because every blade I tried at the 150$ 200$ range was hyped |
Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 12/31/2018 at 11:24pm
Of course it was hyped, but why were you disappointed? |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 12/31/2018 at 11:36pm
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There are great blades in that price range. I can't say Ice Cream AZX is bad it's just not for me. It's stiffer/faster than I thought it would be from the specs. One of the first ALC blades I built turned out just like Ice Cream. I used a tight weave ALC and a new epoxy my friend used for building carbon fiber propellers. Thing turned out like stone. We called the blade Saitama. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/01/2019 at 6:44am
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The AZX is very fast. I am hoping the AZXi version will be more controllable. Still a very good blade but it needs a higher level of player. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 01/01/2019 at 2:20pm
Carbonado 190 has a weird feel ebenholz7 not as solid more like a brick not the kick feel I m lookin for |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 01/01/2019 at 3:47pm
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Well your first problem is Stiga blades are garbage. What blade did you like and what did you want to improve ? ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: photino
Date Posted: 01/02/2019 at 12:42pm
jpenmaster, any previous bad experiences with stiga blades? ------------- EJ-turned blade collector |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 01/02/2019 at 12:57pm
| The problem with stiga blades is the quality. Used infinity vps v, great blade but the top veneer rips off. If you look at reviews on ttd you'll see that this happened to over 90% of the people. Now I played with carbonado 90 and it's a great blade. I'd keep using it if it was from butterfly. But knowing that it is from stiga I don't want to keep using it because I'm afraid the top ply is gonna rip. In general I think a lot of "big" companies are living of their good reputation that they got in the past. Stiga blades where "the" thing in the past, but their quality is crap now. I see less and less people using stiga because of that. They are adapting their prices to the level of butterfly's crazy prices, but their quality is a joke. |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 01/02/2019 at 1:11pm
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Same problem with primorac carbon is splintering same with korbel I have rosewood 7 great blade but lil flexy for my taste. Most composite blade I ve tested feel hollow and dull. I tried a szlc but its not that good its very hard to find a blade that feels and plays like clipper but faster Marketing has taken over player s minds ,most praise the blade as long is made by their fav brand nittaku butterfly |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 01/02/2019 at 2:25pm
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Here is my last Stiga experience http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84424&title=infinity-vps-v-question" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84424&title=infinity-vps-v-question ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 01/02/2019 at 2:30pm
| The rubbers play a huge role in the feeling of a racket. I agree that for a lot of people marketing has taken over their decision making. For example if I think about buying an andro or joola blade I kind of feel weird just thinking about it. I guess it's because of marketing and also professional players which seem to use two or three brands, but nothing else. I personally don't mind paying 150$ for a blade though. If I know the blade works, then I'll happily pay that. I don't get why people feel bad about buying a blade in the 100-200$ price range. A blade lasts you so long, while rubbers have such a short lifespan. |
Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 01/02/2019 at 3:53pm
Seen no evidence of carbonados splintering. They have a normal limba top ply. Butterfly blades splinter all the time too. Stiga special veneers perhaps do but I don't hear of it with their classic models. |
Posted By: jobaumi
Date Posted: 01/02/2019 at 4:31pm
| I hope new Stiga Dynasty Carbon doesn't have such quality issues. Because i have already ordered one. |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 01/02/2019 at 4:54pm
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I had a Carbonado with top ply splintering right out of the box . A 3mm piece of the edge was laying in the box . Strange thing was there was no damage to the factory box or shipping carton. Lucky for me TT11 took care of me. I think the only Stiga I have owned that was nice was the CRW7. My kids Azalea also has slightly different thickness top plies. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 01/02/2019 at 5:43pm
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Posted By: lovett2011
Date Posted: 01/10/2019 at 4:25am
| Icecream AZXi FL! |
Posted By: neon
Date Posted: 10/17/2019 at 5:34am
| Hi friends, please good photo of azxi from back of handle, where is metal plastic xiom brand. I want to know core wood of azxi. Thank you very much. |
Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 10/20/2019 at 2:31am
Agree ------------- 729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold. DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
Posted By: neon
Date Posted: 10/20/2019 at 11:05am
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Hi, please more information about core of azxi, thank you very much. |
Posted By: neon
Date Posted: 10/25/2019 at 7:03am
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Hi friends, just one good photo from back of handle, thank you very much. |
Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 10/25/2019 at 1:07pm
You can see here http://www.xiom.co.kr/product/product_detail.aspx?catCode=32&prdCode=1001610" rel="nofollow - http://www.xiom.co.kr/product/product_detail.aspx?catCode=32&prdCode=1001610 ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: neon
Date Posted: 10/29/2019 at 7:59am
Hi, core of AZXi is 1000/100 ayous. |