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Topic: Dignics 05 & Harimoto Innerforce ALC
Posted By: opinari
Subject: Dignics 05 & Harimoto Innerforce ALC
Date Posted: 01/06/2019 at 10:13pm
Sorry, I can't get the embed function to work correctly.

BTY just released two short teasers for both products.

The HT ALC is a slght modification - it's a slightly oversized innerforce ALC with different dimensions (158mm x 152mm).

The Dignics though is very interesting - it's supposedly made for a quicker to the ball, driving style for the plastic ball era (a la Harimoto).  As for as I can gather from Google Translate, it's intended for Chiquitas and other modern strokes where you take the ball early.

Supposedly, Mizutani, Lin Gaoyuan and Wong Chun Ting are using it.

Dignics 05:

https://youtu.be/cQMDxMi6JpI
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/product/dignics/05/

Harimoto Innerforce ALC

https://youtu.be/S1igDNFbCEU
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/products/detail/36991.html


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Posted By: fatt
Date Posted: 01/06/2019 at 11:00pm
The blade might become a very big deal, those mm added to the head will enhance blocking control and shock absorbtion in general will favor longer rallies, better dwell and might satisfy A LOT of people.
Maybe I am carried away, the original IF ZLC had a bigger head too and it was not such a huge deal but somehow I expect those characteristics and the HT name to create a new standard in blade size (on that link they write "Blade size 158 × 152 mm (regular)"). I always liked oversized with total weight control (e.g MPS 88g) so I am just wishful thinking :) 


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Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 01/06/2019 at 11:04pm
Here you go



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Posted By: photino
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 12:07am
Wait for jpenmaster list it for sale at a big discount in a month

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Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 12:33am
Great rubber... only $99.95 
LOL


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Posted By: albert19
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 4:50am
what is the center ply of harimoto blade, kiri or ayous?


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 5:04am
The blade wood is the same as DHS H301, which costs about $50 after discount at TT11.

Curious to see how much it costs from BTY.


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Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 5:55am
I thought it had Limba as a top ply? Then it wouldn't be the h301


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 5:57am
The top layer looks like Koto.

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Posted By: albert19
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 6:18am
Option 1    Koto, Limba, ALC, KIRI, ALC, Limba, Koto  (Timo Alc with inner carbon)

Option 2     Koto, Limba, ALC, Ayous, ALC, Limba, Koto

Option 3    Limba, Limba, ALC, Ayous, ALC, Limba, Limba (Innerforce ALC)


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Posted By: Pr1nc
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 6:50am
This rubber is what I'm waiting for, cant wait to try :)

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Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 6:54am
Checked again and it definitely looks like limba


Posted By: Pr1nc
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 7:01am
After little research about Dignics 05, its a Tenergy 05 for new ball era?

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Posted By: YoAss
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 7:11am
Hmmm, option 1 is the construction of my custom blade. :-)


Posted By: albert19
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 7:14am
For me is the best option!    and it is possible otres options, (4,5,6...)

Who made you your blade?


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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 7:19am
Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

After little research about Dignics 05, its a Tenergy 05 for new ball era?

Hi,

OK, so I'm confused.  Is this the new Spring Sponge X?

Thanks,


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Posted By: Pr1nc
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 7:23am
Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

After little research about Dignics 05, its a Tenergy 05 for new ball era?


<font size="3" color="#0033ff">Hi,
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<font size="3" color="#0033ff">OK, so I'm confused.  Is this the new Spring Sponge X?
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<font size="3" color="#0033ff">Thanks,


Yep

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Posted By: YoAss
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 8:10am
Originally posted by albert19 albert19 wrote:

For me is the best option!    and it is possible otres options, (4,5,6...)

Who made you your blade?

It was built by Dimitri at http://www.dattblades.com, mine is http://www.dattblades.com/?lightbox=dataItem-joe7lj6p3.

It's my second one; I had it built after damaging my first one (http://www.dattblades.com/?lightbox=dataItem-jezjd66a), but Dimitri actually managed to repair that one as well.  Good as new, and now my backup blade.  They're not identical, the balance is slightly different (intentionally) as is the handle shape (also intentionally), as well as the outer ply on the BH (Anigre on the first attempt, but I settled on Koto for both sides the second time around).


Posted By: adishorul
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 9:25am
Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

After little research about Dignics 05, its a Tenergy 05 for new ball era?


Cool, after that tenergy 05 will cost only 49 euros 😁


Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 10:40am
Wonder what properties it will have that make it different from T05. Faster and lower throw?


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 10:49am
Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Wonder what properties it will have that make it different from T05. Faster and lower throw?

The info on the website says slightly faster with a higher arc.


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Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 11:22am
Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Wonder what properties it will have that make it different from T05. Faster and lower throw?


The info on the website says slightly faster with a higher arc.


Interesting. Higher throw than T05! Insane. I wonder how this fits the close to the table attacking game of Harimoto etc as rumoured in theory. Seems like it would more suit Mizutani types.


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 11:24am
Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Wonder what properties it will have that make it different from T05. Faster and lower throw?


The info on the website says slightly faster with a higher arc.


Interesting. Higher throw than T05! Insane. I wonder how this fits the close to the table attacking game of Harimoto etc as rumoured in theory. Seems like it would more suit Mizutani types.
or Boll’s game

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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 11:26am
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?19938-New-Butterfly-rubber-quot-Dignics-05-quot-2019/page2" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?19938-New-Butterfly-rubber-quot-Dignics-05-quot-2019/page2

Here is some "expert talks".   Be in the know to the full,


Posted By: fatt
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 11:47am
I wonder how far that new HT blade will be from the Apolonia that, without ever trying it more than ONE minute (with T05/64 borrowed at a club), seemed to me the best ever Butterfly blade; not good enough to let my 5-ply all wood Hinoki Ghost down but good enough to notice a clear winner. 
Forget about the Garaydia series and other Hadraw gimmicks, the Apolonia is the only major release in the past years in terms of relevance. The Freitas was so promising but felt short. I am so curious about the slightly oversized HT blade, it seems like a real crossroads in Butterfly's time table.



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Posted By: pingpungpeng
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 12:32pm
most of the original innerforce blades were 158x152.
the original dhs hurricane long v (a copy of innerforce alc) was also that dimension I think.

tenergy is a heavy rubber, so is boosted h3, so they started selling those blades in 157x150.


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 1:14pm
Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

most of the original innerforce blades were 158x152.
the original dhs hurricane long v (a copy of innerforce alc) was also that dimension I think.

tenergy is a heavy rubber, so is boosted h3, so they started selling those blades in 157x150.




Long 5 is not a copy of innerforce I tried both


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 1:18pm
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Wonder what properties it will have that make it different from T05. Faster and lower throw?


The info on the website says slightly faster with a higher arc.


Interesting. Higher throw than T05! Insane. I wonder how this fits the close to the table attacking game of Harimoto etc as rumoured in theory. Seems like it would more suit Mizutani types.
or Boll’s game


Wasnt mizutani playing with lemuria?


Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 1:46pm
O have tried many blades. IMO freitas alc is the best blades ever from btf. Alc, but thicker limba top wood. it has the advantages of boll alc and innerforce alc.


Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by adishorul adishorul wrote:

 
Cool, after that tenergy 05 will cost only 49 euros 😁

LOL LOL LOL

Harimoto is scheduled for May


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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:



Wasnt mizutani playing with lemuria?


Whoever suggested that must have been high on mince pies and Jaffa cakes.

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Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 01/07/2019 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:



Wasnt mizutani playing with lemuria?


Whoever suggested that must have been high on mince pies and Jaffa cakes.


Lemuria might be another tacky hard sponge rubber to compete with Chinese?


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 01/08/2019 at 1:16am
Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:



Wasnt mizutani playing with lemuria?


Whoever suggested that must have been high on mince pies and Jaffa cakes.


Someone took a pic of jun raquet and checked the number of LARC


Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 01/08/2019 at 8:15am
When do the Dignics rubbers hit the market? Will 05, 64, 80, etc... all be released at the same time? 

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Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 01/08/2019 at 9:41am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:



Wasnt mizutani playing with lemuria?


Whoever suggested that must have been high on mince pies and Jaffa cakes.


Someone took a pic of jun raquet and checked the number of LARC


Did they? I thought Andy may have been referring to himself with that comment...


Posted By: windysummer1
Date Posted: 01/08/2019 at 10:39am
wish the Harimoto Innerforce ALC has a headsize of 157x150

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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 01/08/2019 at 11:01am
Originally posted by windysummer1 windysummer1 wrote:

wish the Harimoto Innerforce ALC has a headsize of 157x150

why don't you just buy a similar model with that headsize  unless you want HT and BTY on the blade


Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 01/08/2019 at 11:21am
Originally posted by windysummer1 windysummer1 wrote:

wish the <span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 19px;">Harimoto Innerforce ALC has a headsize of 157x150</span>


Why? There already is one. It being literally exactly the same blade as another with just a different handle would be pretty pointless and give you less options.


Posted By: AntSj00
Date Posted: 01/09/2019 at 9:35pm
Originally posted by adishorul adishorul wrote:

Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

After little research about Dignics 05, its a Tenergy 05 for new ball era?


Cool, after that tenergy 05 will cost only 49 euros 😁
Tenergy 05 price will remain in the place like now. Dignics 05 will cost over 62 euros.


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Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 01/10/2019 at 10:24pm
When does Dignics come out?

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Good Day ~ 2100
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Posted By: Pr1nc
Date Posted: 01/11/2019 at 10:34am
Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

When does Dignics come out?


Spring 2019.

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Posted By: Nelt
Date Posted: 01/11/2019 at 12:55pm
May 2019. I think after wttc 2019 in Bucharest.


Posted By: Asbee
Date Posted: 01/11/2019 at 7:52pm
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FH: Tenergy 05

BH: Tenergy 05


Posted By: Asbee
Date Posted: 01/11/2019 at 7:53pm
Budapest...

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Posted By: taczkid
Date Posted: 01/15/2019 at 7:22am


Posted By: taczkid
Date Posted: 01/15/2019 at 7:23am
Looking at the parameters it is nothing special to be excited about. Wondering if Butterfly was working in collaboration with Apple on the Sponge X (IPhone X) lol


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 01/15/2019 at 7:49am
Tenergy is a good name for rubbers, and digics,..... not

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Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 01/15/2019 at 7:54am
Originally posted by taczkid taczkid wrote:

Looking at the parameters it is nothing special to be excited about. Wondering if Butterfly was working in collaboration with Apple on the Sponge X (IPhone X) lol


What were you expecting? That it hit the ball for you?


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/15/2019 at 9:24am
On Boll's Facebook page - optical illusion, or is one of those sponges a bit more red than orange...



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