BTY just released two short teasers for both products.

The HT ALC is a slght modification - it's a slightly oversized innerforce ALC with different dimensions (158mm x 152mm).

https://www.butterfly.co.jp/products/detail/36991.html

Curious to see how much it costs from BTY.

Option 1    Koto, Limba, ALC, KIRI, ALC, Limba, Koto  (Timo Alc with inner carbon)

For me is the best option!    and it is possible otres options, (4,5,6...)

Who made you your blade?

It was built by Dimitri at http://www.dattblades.com, mine is http://www.dattblades.com/?lightbox=dataItem-joe7lj6p3.

It's my second one; I had it built after damaging my first one (http://www.dattblades.com/?lightbox=dataItem-jezjd66a), but Dimitri actually managed to repair that one as well.  Good as new, and now my backup blade.  They're not identical, the balance is slightly different (intentionally) as is the handle shape (also intentionally), as well as the outer ply on the BH (Anigre on the first attempt, but I settled on Koto for both sides the second time around).

The info on the website says slightly faster with a higher arc.

the original dhs hurricane long v (a copy of innerforce alc) was also that dimension I think.

tenergy is a heavy rubber, so is boosted h3, so they started selling those blades in 157x150.

  

Harimoto is scheduled for May

why don't you just buy a similar model with that headsize  unless you want HT and BTY on the blade

Tenergy 05 price will remain in the place like now. Dignics 05 will cost over 62 euros.

On Boll's Facebook page - optical illusion, or is one of those sponges a bit more red than orange...

Or, and this is simpler but still confusing. Phonetically it is simply spelled dignics.  

How do you see the larc number? there used to be a another set of pages with pictures but from the new ITTF website we cannot see this list anymore?

Go to ITTF.com choose menu, equipment and then the LARC2018B can be downloaded.

https://www.ittf.com/equipment/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ittf.com/equipment/

 

 Even the increase on the tenergy prices is bad. It used to be 57€. With that price tenergy was still pretty much equal to the other rubbers in overall pricing, the way I used it ( andro rubbers and so on cost 46€ minus the discounts, but last shorter, so it'll pretty much be a 5€ difference). But now with the 60€ price tag, it won't be the same. I already switched to target pro on the backhand, and if it performs just as well on the forehand, then I'll throw tenergy out the window. 

But again 80€ for a rubber? Insane. Same with the Timo boll series, which they made 20€ more expensive.

I hope people don´t eat this bait, not even in the beginning. No rubber worth 80 Euros, absolutely no one. BTY prices it that high because they know some will acquire it, but players must give an answer on how high we think these prices reached. 

And the best way to do it is not buying. I won´t.

Butterfly aren’t known to be generous in the pricing stakes, and €150 is “relatively” cheap when compared with their other top end blades. 

I would have put a lot of money on this being over €200 at launch!

I’m looking for something a little slower than my VS Unlimited, and I like the look of the Harimoto blade (can’t say I’m particularly enamoured with the person mind you!)

Pretty much like apple

You might want to try the Freitas instead. Almost exactly same composition as VS unlimited but a step slower. Innerforce blade would be a more drastic change.

In the past few seasons, I’ve gone from a Schlager Carbon (for when I first came back to the sport), then to a Garaydia ZLC, and now the VS Unlimited. 

I could still go slower and spinnier, as I don’t need the bat to be a rocket (my technique should be good enough! 😀)

Harimoto blade is showing a price of 252 USD :/

Butterfly products are not cheaper in India. Tenergy retails for approximately USD 85 here. You can pay all cash, (bypassing tax, essentially illegal) and get it for USD 65-70, but the dealers themselves get it at USD 55. I know because I routinely order 10 pieces of T05 for our club here.

85, really?? At your regular TT store? I don't think anyone is debating the MSRP here. Sure, tenergy has a ridiculous MSRP in India (8200 inr if I recall correctly) but I am sure all good sellers recognize that no one buys at that ridiculous price (with or without receipt).

I usually bought my TT equipment from Olympic sports in Bangalore and the owner gave me really good rates. Happy to connect you with him! 

The reason why I was talking about the difference was because a friend from Mumbai told me that he could get me a brand new marcos freitas for 12-13k inr when freitas retails for 216 here. 

Their head of marketing better start looking for a new gig soon because he/she will be eventually let go for all this mess.

after 10 years they must release something new since the competitors keep innovating. i am guessing the new rubbers are a notch better than the old tenergies. after a year or so they will drop the price across the board by $10-20 on both tenergies and dignics, etc.

Agree a new meeting with weikert to fit the butterfly roadmap inside ittf laws

I've been using T05 Hard since it came out (on the forehand), and it offers things that I feel would suit the pros game, over regular T05.

With Dignics and now T09c, I'd imagine they are all very very similar, but Butterfly need the exposure of players using them so they can justify the cost.

A pro player would find it pretty easy to switch between them all, as I imagine the playing characteristics for them will be so incredibly similar.

I guess my point was that all of the pro's are probably already using rubbers that are incredibly similar to these new rubbers, and have been for some time now.

Dignics might add a bit of speed and spin (although, the jury is still out), but it's highly possible that Timo Boll and others have had access to this technology for years (but it was still branded as Tenergy 05).

I obviously don't know for definite, but that's just my feeling.

As for the price, I think if people are putting it on one side, they'll probably put it on both.

If anything, I think it will help Tenergy sales as the price all of a sudden feels better value - Most people should be self aware enough to realise that they won't see much difference between the two rubber at the level they play, and the price difference really isn't justified.

Of course, if I was rich enough, I'd buy Dignics and try it out, and then if I liked it, I'd keep using it - I'd expect other people who don't need to worry about money to do the same.

I also think the "amateur" reviews of Dignics will be very positive - Especially from those who plan to use it as their rubber (the psychological effect of justifying the cost of the rubber will be the main driving force here) - Again, we'll have to wait and see.

But as far as global sales - Butterfly have always been market leading, it just depends if the TT community respond to this recent price increase.

I fear it may be more like an "Apple" situation, where the units of iPhones are decreasing now, in part, due to the high price of the new phones.

I think Tenergy will still be the best seller, with Dignics taking some time before it even gets close.

People will buy it, and good for them if it makes them happy. 

I mean, if they only do it once per year, or even twice per year, it’s the extra cost of a meal out or a take away - It’s not that bad. 

Personally, I don’t see how it can be much better than Tenergy - But if I try it and it is, I’ll keep using it.