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Topic: Viscaria ST
Posted By: slevin
Subject: Viscaria ST
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 12:20am
I guess, every EJ / collector who has been hoarding 'rare' Viscaria ST handle blades (whether original or remade) might want to try be the first out the door?

Page 23 of the https://issuu.com/butterfly.tt/docs/butterfly_katalog_2019_-_en_mit_pre_99681a90f615ce?e=4784838/67478536" rel="nofollow - 2019 BTY catalog - they're bringing the ST handle back, it seems.




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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 2:32am
wow! will that send the price of original ST black tags ones through the roof or the opposite? you would be the one most able to answer here? :)

(edit: that HTIFALC on page 24 looks so good!)


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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 3:08am
No more Hadraw blades.


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 3:37am
It's good to see that the price for the Harimoto blade is the same as the regular Innerforce ALC


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 4:16am
handle has the same size than nearly all "off blades handles" from BTY (100 X28X23mm) so...not as large as the original one. 

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Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 7:54am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

wow! will that send the price of original ST black tags ones through the roof or the opposite? you would be the one most able to answer here? :)

(edit: that HTIFALC on page 24 looks so good!)
the opposite. Old tag viscaria's where around 300€. St handle old tags were offered for 500-1000€. The only argument for that price was the St handle. Now that the handle is available again, it doesn't have anything better to offer than the old tag Fl, which btw. was also overpriced.


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 8:20am
Another important reveal: Dignics 05 is priced at a whopping EUR 20 over T05!

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Posted By: iamj8
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 8:48am
wow good news! Took them long enough, too!

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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 9:32am
For those who like 85gr blade with thin handle :))

I prefer 93-95gr with larger handle. 


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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 9:52am
Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

wow! will that send the price of original ST black tags ones through the roof or the opposite? you would be the one most able to answer here? :)

(edit: that HTIFALC on page 24 looks so good!)
the opposite. Old tag viscaria's where around 300€. St handle old tags were offered for 500-1000€. The only argument for that price was the St handle. Now that the handle is available again, it doesn't have anything better to offer than the old tag Fl, which btw. was also overpriced.

That is simply called : the law of supply and demand or with other words: the Economy.

You may also consider that a Big Mac is overpriced  but...there are still people who are ready to pay...even more for their burgers so....
If you had an old viscaria ST, would you sell it to me for 129 EUR ?


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Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 10:37am
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

wow! will that send the price of original ST black tags ones through the roof or the opposite? you would be the one most able to answer here? :)

(edit: that HTIFALC on page 24 looks so good!)
the opposite. Old tag viscaria's where around 300€. St handle old tags were offered for 500-1000€. The only argument for that price was the St handle. Now that the handle is available again, it doesn't have anything better to offer than the old tag Fl, which btw. was also overpriced.

That is simply called : the law of supply and demand or with other words: the Economy.

You may also consider that a Big Mac is overpriced  but...there are still people who are ready to pay...even more for their burgers so....
If you had an old viscaria ST, would you sell it to me for 129 EUR ?
of course not. It has/ had a handle that wasn't available anymore. But now things have changed. 


Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 11:07am
Original Viscaria St handle will never come back because it's a bad design for a composite blade . Great for collecting and holding but bad for play. It was way too wide and made the blade too stiff.

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Posted By: danieldangz
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 11:21am
when will it be available?


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/03/2019 at 4:20pm
I feel for the original BT ST Vis owners for they wonder and shake; the tibetan mastiffs of the FS section carefully groom their persistence for the unavoidable adjustment to come. This is at the level of continental plates sliding against each other, there will be some fears and losses but together we will prevail.
BTW, if that's where the BT ST Vis is going, could the torment bring the price of the FL ones down as well?


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/04/2019 at 5:16am
With recent increasing sale of Viscaria, it is good that BTY has not decided to raise it's price yet (/again). 

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Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 02/04/2019 at 8:10am
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

With recent increasing sale of Viscaria, it is good that BTY has not decided to raise it's price yet (/again). 
did they raise it once? I remember in early December butterfly had a special offer for viscaria's. Since it was its 25 year anniversary, it was on sale for 99€ or something.


Posted By: nduviscaria
Date Posted: 02/05/2019 at 3:55am
when will it be available viscaria st?


Posted By: PringlesRingles
Date Posted: 02/05/2019 at 8:23am
I asked Butterfly and they said in May.


Posted By: PringlesRingles
Date Posted: 02/17/2019 at 3:50pm
Any new news regarding the blade?


Posted By: mizutani_jun
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 7:30pm

I checked 2003 official butterfly catalog and compare to new 2019.
Seems the size is the same stated at the catalog.
As you can see above only the thickness is increased from 5.7 to 5.8.
The handle size is the same.
I think or rather i hope Butterfly will not change the size because of the new one.


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Posted By: mizutani_jun
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 8:28pm
BTW you can check the catalog online here.
http://www.iruiru.com/images/pdf/200304_Butterfly.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.iruiru.com/images/pdf/200304_Butterfly.pdf


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Posted By: windysummer1
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 10:50pm
Wish they can bring back the Schlager carbon rather than the Sardius

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Posted By: PringlesRingles
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 12:34am
Originally posted by mizutani_jun mizutani_jun wrote:

BTW you can check the catalog online here.
http://www.iruiru.com/images/pdf/200304_Butterfly.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.iruiru.com/images/pdf/200304_Butterfly.pdf

Nice catalog. Are there any more retro catalogs to see?


Posted By: mizutani_jun
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 1:23am
Originally posted by PringlesRingles PringlesRingles wrote:

Originally posted by mizutani_jun mizutani_jun wrote:

BTW you can check the catalog online here.
http://www.iruiru.com/images/pdf/200304_Butterfly.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.iruiru.com/images/pdf/200304_Butterfly.pdf

Nice catalog. Are there any more retro catalogs to see?

I think Iruiru have mostly catalog.
Not so sure since i searched for 2003 specifically for Viscaria handle dimension.


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Posted By: mizutani_jun
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 1:24am
Originally posted by windysummer1 windysummer1 wrote:

Wish they can bring back the Schlager carbon rather than the Sardius

Should bring back both.
Sardius also very popular at SEA region as it have many fans here.


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Posted By: PringlesRingles
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 11:20am
Originally posted by mizutani_jun mizutani_jun wrote:

Originally posted by PringlesRingles PringlesRingles wrote:

Originally posted by mizutani_jun mizutani_jun wrote:

BTW you can check the catalog online here.
http://www.iruiru.com/images/pdf/200304_Butterfly.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.iruiru.com/images/pdf/200304_Butterfly.pdf

Nice catalog. Are there any more retro catalogs to see?

I think Iruiru have mostly catalog.
Not so sure since i searched for 2003 specifically for Viscaria handle dimension.

I can't seem to find the catalog. I would be thankful if you could provide links to any earlier catalouges!


Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 02/28/2019 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

No more Hadraw blades.

"Wood with Soul – Hadraw Blades", 'The design of HADRAW – “simply natural and beautiful” ' - a couple of quotes by Butterfly (November 24, 2015).

The sad reality is that they know that they can mark up a composite blade much higher.


Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 02/28/2019 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

No more Hadraw blades.

"Wood with Soul – Hadraw Blades", 'The design of HADRAW – “simply natural and beautiful” ' - a couple of quotes by Butterfly (November 24, 2015).

The sad reality is that they know that they can mark up a composite blade much higher.

Hadraw blades are back in their latest catalog Stern Smile:

https://www.butterfly.co.jp/catalog/HTML5/sd.html#/page/43" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/catalog/HTML5/sd.html#/page/43


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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 02/28/2019 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

No more Hadraw blades.

"Wood with Soul – Hadraw Blades", 'The design of HADRAW – “simply natural and beautiful” ' - a couple of quotes by Butterfly (November 24, 2015).

The sad reality is that they know that they can mark up a composite blade much higher.

Hadraw blades are back in their latest catalog Stern Smile:

https://www.butterfly.co.jp/catalog/HTML5/sd.html#/page/43" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/catalog/HTML5/sd.html#/page/43

I commend BTY on their prompt response to my critique.Clap


Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 02/28/2019 at 1:14pm
what wrong with Hadraw blades except price?


Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 02/28/2019 at 1:23pm
Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

what wrong with Hadraw blades except price?

apparently they went missing from an earlier version of the catalog. i thought that Bty has discontinued them.


Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 03/01/2019 at 5:44pm
According to the new catalog the price of Viscaria in Japan is set the same as ZLC. I wish the rest of the world will not have to follow. 

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Posted By: PringlesRingles
Date Posted: 03/03/2019 at 5:58am
It also says it will be released in April, not May, as Butterfly Europe answered. Don't you think or do you know if it also will be released to the rest of the world on 1st of april?


Posted By: Flobert
Date Posted: 03/10/2019 at 1:34pm
New pictures from the ST handle are online on Butterfly Japan.
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/products/detail/30041.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/products/detail/30041.html


Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 03/10/2019 at 1:53pm
It seems like everyone I played at my last 2 tournaments were playing viscaria blades. It seems kind of insane. I should try one someday.


Posted By: mizutani_jun
Date Posted: 03/11/2019 at 12:34am
Originally posted by Flobert Flobert wrote:

New pictures from the ST handle are online on Butterfly Japan.
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/products/detail/30041.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/products/detail/30041.html

Hmmm ST handle look smaller than the old one.


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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 03/11/2019 at 4:09am
It seems to be the same shape like ZJK ALC

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Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 03/14/2019 at 11:53am
Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

It seems like everyone I played at my last 2 tournaments were playing viscaria blades. It seems kind of insane. I should try one someday.

Haha! You really should.  I have been in tournaments where lots of people were using Primorac OFF-, then with the 40mm celluloid introduction saw an uptick of Iolite users.  But the Viscaria truly has staying power.  Like you wrote, it is really insane.  The marketing department in Butterfly is feasting on Kobe steaks as they now make the push for Dignics, Tenergy Hard, and whatever is the composite blade du jour.


Posted By: PringlesRingles
Date Posted: 03/17/2019 at 6:01pm
Butterfly Europe responded, yet again, that the ST version will be released in May. Why would it be released on month later in Europe than in the rest of the world? Any info?



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