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Topic: Worst rubber you've used lately
Posted By: el luchador
Subject: Worst rubber you've used lately
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 1:15pm
What's the worst rubber you've played with lately? And why?

For me, Joola rhyzm P
It has no feel, little mechanical spin, little top spin grip and plays dead compared to anything else. For comparison it has less spin than unboostwd DHS pf4 which is a slow deadish rubber.




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Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 1:27pm
Hm, I have tried 80 rubbers. Rhyzm p was one of the best...Huge spin(easily generated but top sheet) and great speed.

Lubomir pistej(Top 50) and aruna quadri has played with rhyzm-p. 


I think, its about combination blade and rubber. 

The worse combination was yasaka mark v and violin-totally no spin. (donic waldner diablo senso and mark v was perfect, aleo violin+baracuda was one of the best). 


Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 1:28pm
DHS Hurricane 3-50 Soft.
It´s useless, does not have the spin, control or speed of the original Hurricane.


Posted By: el luchador
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

DHS Hurricane 3-50 Soft.
It´s useless, does not have the spin, control or speed of the original Hurricane.

Agreed! 3-50 soft is aweful.


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Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 3:51pm
rasanter r47 and r42. Tried them on 3 blades, couldnt send ball on the other side of net. 
I must say that some of my opponents had same rubbers and produced very good shots! Probably these rubbers dont like my blades :(


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Posted By: anubhav1984
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 4:12pm
Somehow the recent iteration of Tibhar Genius was a complete waste this time around that I tried it. I have played with it earlier and back then it was really great but now that I used it after having played with Tenergy and Rasanters of the lot, it is just so bad. It is a great rubber for beginners obviously but nothing in it for advanced players. I did move it around on three different blades and it was dead on all three of them. Maybe I got a bad batch or may be that is how it has always been. Don't know! 

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Posted By: fatt
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 4:31pm
MX-S, Vega Asia, Big Dipper were not my rubbers, it takes speed, strength and good technique to make them work, they are so far less forgivable than average.

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Posted By: Hozuki
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by anubhav1984 anubhav1984 wrote:

Somehow the recent iteration of Tibhar Genius was a complete waste this time around that I tried it. I have played with it earlier and back then it was really great but now that I used it after having played with Tenergy and Rasanters of the lot, it is just so bad. It is a great rubber for beginners obviously but nothing in it for advanced players. I did move it around on three different blades and it was dead on all three of them. Maybe I got a bad batch or may be that is how it has always been. Don't know! 


There are pro players in Germany who play with (boosted) Genius. So you most likely got a faulty one.
I had 3 sheets in the past 2 years and all were good.

Worst rubber I tried lately?
Probably Yasaka Rising Dragon. Too hard to be played effectively with euro technique, not as much spin as Chinese rubbers. So you either need a very peculiar (weird) technique or you need to boost it. Hitting hard with it, the ball does not catch the end line like with H3. But it also doesn't have the same quality in the mid gears like G-1 or Genius or VP. So I don't know how this rubber makes sense.


Posted By: anubhav1984
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by Hozuki Hozuki wrote:

There are pro players in Germany who play with (boosted) Genius. So you most likely got a faulty one.
I had 3 sheets in the past 2 years and all were good.

Must have been a bad batch for sure because I could not get it to fire up no matter how many thin layers of booster I used on it. It just felt too mushy to begin with.

Originally posted by Hozuki Hozuki wrote:

Worst rubber I tried lately?
Probably Yasaka Rising Dragon. Too hard to be played effectively with euro technique, not as much spin as Chinese rubbers. So you either need a very peculiar (weird) technique or you need to boost it. Hitting hard with it, the ball does not catch the end line like with H3. But it also doesn't have the same quality in the mid gears like G-1 or Genius or VP. So I don't know how this rubber makes sense.

I know someone who uses Rising Dragon on their backhand and they get excellent control with it. However, the ply that they have it on really brings out the power in this rubber when needed. I think it pairs well with an all wood medium soft ply (just like other chinese rubbers do). But true that it is a lot between a chinese and euro rubber to be useful on the forehand side.



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Posted By: stancuzi
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 7:45pm
Tibhar MX-P, Friendship Battle II. Nothing to do with all the comments and experiences of what I everywhere read. May be a bad batch, but still from brand like Tibhar...REALLY???


Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 7:52pm
The very worst rubber I ever tried is rasanter42


Posted By: Chewy
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 8:04pm
Rubbers that have extremely soft top sheets. I find it difficult to loop with (during games). Gewo Hype KR, Donic Acuda Blue series, Rasanter V42. And similar stuff... 

Anyone know more Rubbers such as these? Kindly let me know. Would like to avoid. Thanks! 


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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 8:42pm
Originally posted by Chewy Chewy wrote:

Rubbers that have extremely soft top sheets. I find it difficult to loop with (during games). Gewo Hype KR, Donic Acuda Blue series, Rasanter V42. And similar stuff... 

Anyone know more Rubbers such as these? Kindly let me know. Would like to avoid. Thanks! 

Joola Rhyzer 48


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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 9:38pm
Ak47, galaxy moon

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Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 9:50pm
My rubber.

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Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 02/08/2019 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Ak47, galaxy moon
I like AK47 very much. 
I use the RED version tuned with 2 layers of FTL in my BH, it works nicely.


Posted By: obesechopper
Date Posted: 02/09/2019 at 12:59am
Originally posted by Hozuki Hozuki wrote:

Originally posted by anubhav1984 anubhav1984 wrote:

Somehow the recent iteration of Tibhar Genius was a complete waste this time around that I tried it. I have played with it earlier and back then it was really great but now that I used it after having played with Tenergy and Rasanters of the lot, it is just so bad. It is a great rubber for beginners obviously but nothing in it for advanced players. I did move it around on three different blades and it was dead on all three of them. Maybe I got a bad batch or may be that is how it has always been. Don't know! 


There are pro players in Germany who play with (boosted) Genius. So you most likely got a faulty one.
I had 3 sheets in the past 2 years and all were good.

Worst rubber I tried lately?
Probably Yasaka Rising Dragon. Too hard to be played effectively with euro technique, not as much spin as Chinese rubbers. So you either need a very peculiar (weird) technique or you need to boost it. Hitting hard with it, the ball does not catch the end line like with H3. But it also doesn't have the same quality in the mid gears like G-1 or Genius or VP. So I don't know how this rubber makes sense.

I'd have to agree with yrd. I was using it opposite spinpips, and with my technique the players said I had more spin using the spinpips for looping... 

I do like mx s and victas 401 for similar but better executed rubbers for my style 


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 02/09/2019 at 2:19am
stiga inverted rubbers.

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Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 02/09/2019 at 5:17am
Acuda P2 was about the worst rubber I ever tried. The trajectory was just really flat, it didn't grip well in humid conditions, and the spin was weak. 

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Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 02/09/2019 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Ak47, galaxy moon
I like AK47 very much. 
I use the RED version tuned with 2 layers of FTL in my BH, it works nicely.

What is wrong with AK47? Are they all bad?


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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 02/09/2019 at 9:51pm
Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Ak47, galaxy moon

I like AK47 very much. 
I use the RED version tuned with 2 layers of FTL in my BH, it works nicely.


What is wrong with AK47? Are they all bad?



I tried red and blue. Both very bad grip, blue very slow

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Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 02/09/2019 at 11:33pm
Thanks. I had few rallies with Blue. Its not tacky but grip was good. Topspin ball flying nearly parallel to the table after bounce

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Posted By: Chewy
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 1:54am
Thanks Slevin! Will avoid for sure. What about rubbers similar to the Gold Arc 8 47.5? Any with same topsheet hardness and elasticity? 

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Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 4:44am
T05-FX. Use T05 or T80 instead. 

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Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 8:23am
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Joola Rhyzer 48

lol  we have a few 2500+ rated players who switched to Rhyzer 48 (and 50) and they are doing just fine. I tried this rubber several times (and played against it) and it has a very nice speed-glue feel, lots of spin and speed.  


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Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 8:42am
Acuda Blue P1, P2 and P3 recently.

Worst ever: Stiga Airoc


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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 8:52am
Originally posted by notfound123 notfound123 wrote:

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Joola Rhyzer 48

lol  we have a few 2500+ rated players who switched to Rhyzer 48 (and 50) and they are doing just fine. I tried this rubber several times (and played against it) and it has a very nice speed-glue feel, lots of spin and speed.  



I think its all about personal preferences. garbage for one person can be gem for another person

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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 9:27am
The worst were Haifu Shark 2 (yellow sponge), Moon Speed, Haifu whale 2 newer version.




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Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 9:45am
Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

Thanks. I had few rallies with Blue. Its not tacky but grip was good. Topspin ball flying nearly parallel to the table after bounce

Yup, playing with AK47 Blue for almost 6 months now. It lets me put more balls on the table :).

As far as "what's great for someone could be garbage for someone else" - I somewhat agree (level, technique, and playing style matter here), but then it just reinforces my belief that reviews and polls are quite meaningless... 


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Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 10:23am
Rhyzer 48 is one of the best new era rubber, the best frwshbglue feeling-much better than rasanter, bluestorm,xiom omega vii, evolution...I would vote if for the inovation of the year. 


Posted By: vik2000
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 10:44am
This thread contains no useful information whatsoever. 

The only takeaway from this thread is that some rubbers work really well for some people and not others due to difference in techniques. It almost seems like some people really need to work on their techniques because you really shouldn't be struggling with certain type of rubbers.


Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 11:20am
Originally posted by vik2000 vik2000 wrote:

This thread contains no useful information whatsoever. 

The only takeaway from this thread is that some rubbers work really well for some people and not others due to difference in techniques. It almost seems like some people really need to work on their techniques because you really shouldn't be struggling with certain type of rubbers.

Can't agree more...  this thread is ridiculous.  Most decent players should be able to pick up any rubber and play close to their level. Tensor vs sticky - agree, big difference. But joola vs Andro.. they are all ESN made and play like siblings.

Also someone above was mentioning Tenergy 05Fx... lmao.. Not Harimoto's fan but this was his bh rubber up until very recently.


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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 12:38pm
Rasanter R42 is the most disappointing rubber I have used in the last year. 

I love Rasant. 
Plain old Rasant. 
It's heavy, but it's incredibly versatile. Speed, spin control, works on flexy and stiff blades... It's almost perfect.

Rasanter R42 is a lighter, softer, crappier, rubber with less spin, less control and less speed that has a similar name and with a different topsheet and a similar colored sponge.


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Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 2:40pm
Originally posted by notfound123 notfound123 wrote:

Originally posted by vik2000 vik2000 wrote:

This thread contains no useful information whatsoever. 

The only takeaway from this thread is that some rubbers work really well for some people and not others due to difference in techniques. It almost seems like some people really need to work on their techniques because you really shouldn't be struggling with certain type of rubbers.

Can't agree more...  this thread is ridiculous.  Most decent players should be able to pick up any rubber and play close to their level. Tensor vs sticky - agree, big difference. But joola vs Andro.. they are all ESN made and play like siblings.

Also someone above was mentioning Tenergy 05Fx... lmao.. Not Harimoto's fan but this was his bh rubber up until very recently.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 02/10/2019 at 4:00pm
This thread was always going to be a descent into madness.  But it's an interesting one!

I have a strong dislike of T05-FX myself, and to be honest I don't care if every pro on the planet uses it.  It just feels grim to me, and I'm not really sure that what the pros like in a rubber has got much relevance to the very small TT pool I swim in.

I like R47, and still have a strong preference for it in that group of mid-hard eurojaps.  Some pros are using that too, but beyond giving me an impression that it's "good enough" in some way for them I try not to read too much into it.  It's easy to get carried away with what pro preference means for the amateur level, IMO.

But it just goes to show - equipment preference is a very subjective, personal thing!  So bring it on, I say.


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Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 02/11/2019 at 4:52am
This is excellent thread. I just confirmed to myself that the main cause of the problems with blades and rubbers lays somewhere in the area between table tennis shoes and racket handle.

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Posted By: Fulanodetal
Date Posted: 02/11/2019 at 1:06pm
There is such a thing as bad equipment.

Otherwise we would all be playing with the 2$ Barna racket sets...well most of us.

Yes there's also user error, no one is denying that. But if you are one of those who says equipment does not matter, then WHY are you using the setup you are using? why not use the $2 Barna set up?...there's a reason. Because equipment does matter, that's why.

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Posted By: 1dennistt
Date Posted: 02/11/2019 at 1:07pm
It's an interesting subject, not only technique driven, but blade choice makes a difference.  As a pips out user on my backhand, my blade choice was chosen to help that side, and my forehand choices reflect that.  I don't think I have had a worst rubber, Moon Speed was a disappointment, I expected more speed (and spin), but I had used Moon Pro before.  I've had others that I didn't feel lived up to their billing, Juic NanoSpin II (Chrisma) for one.  I didn't like Andro Hexer Grip at first, but it has won me over as I use it more.  Enough to find a place on a backup blade I use for testing new sheets of pips.  I find I'm able to go to it easily from my regular forehand rubber.


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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 02/11/2019 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

There is such a thing as bad equipment.

Otherwise we would all be playing with the 2$ Barna racket sets...well most of us.

Yes there's also user error, no one is denying that. But if you are one of those who says equipment does not matter, then WHY are you using the setup you are using? why not use the $2 Barna set up?...there's a reason. Because equipment does matter, that's why.

FdT


There is equipment which 99% suits an individual's needs, and there is equipment which 99% does not.  And there is a vast spectrum of stuff in between these two poles (I leave 1% at the outer edges for fun. mostly).

But objectively *bad* equipment, as in just plain bad for everyone?  A hard statement to justify I think.

Equipment definitely matters, but it matters in different ways to different people and there will always be differences of opinion.


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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 02/11/2019 at 4:27pm
ALL ARE GOOD LASSES, BUT WHENCE COME THE EVIL WIVES ?

There is no bad rubber, there is production lapse and bad quality control.      

Be alert of China-made every product, because improper quality inspection does occur so oftentimes at most chinese makings .


Posted By: patelaaaa
Date Posted: 02/11/2019 at 5:47pm
The most crappier rubber I've played with recently was Yinhe Moon. Ultimate flat rubber, no matter how much effort you try to put in spinning the ball, the ball would either hit the net or go for a 'homerun' with out any arc. Out of almost all the rubbers, every other is unique in its own ways but Yinhe Moon is so radically different, you might feel to quit TT for good if you start playing with it. 


Posted By: vik2000
Date Posted: 02/11/2019 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

There is such a thing as bad equipment.

Otherwise we would all be playing with the 2$ Barna racket sets...well most of us.

Yes there's also user error, no one is denying that. But if you are one of those who says equipment does not matter, then WHY are you using the setup you are using? why not use the $2 Barna set up?...there's a reason. Because equipment does matter, that's why.

FdT




This makes zero sense. We aren't comparing a well-known brand name with proven rubber quality to some $2 rubbers. People are literally throwing rubber names like MX-S, Rasanter series, and other ESN/tensor rubbers in this thread saying how horrible they are. This is absolutely bogus and no one should take these comments seriously. It's like the EJ disease has infected them because there is absolutely no way that these rubbers can perform as bad as they claim to be unless their technique is messed up. 

As an example, this Japanese TT channel has done an extensive review on Rasanter series, and the video below is just one of the videos showing various players using Rasanter rubbers. If you can't deliver the power and spin with the latest ESN rubbers like Rasanter, Aurus, and etc., you need to re-assess your skills. 





Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 02/12/2019 at 3:48am
Yes!

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Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 02/12/2019 at 4:52am
Yes, you can deliver the power and spin with the Rasanter series if you use the technique suitable for that rubber. However, that doesn't mean its the very best rubber on the market which fits every blade and every single persons playing style. R47, for instance, has pretty good spin, speed, and good size sweet spot, but its not so forgiving if you make slight error with your blade angle. R47 also requires a much more open blade angle than any of the rubbers from say the Tenergy series. When playing with R47, if one were to close the blade as much as you did when you played with Tenergy, the ball just falls to the ground. I could see why someone might say, "that sucks." I tend to agree, that equipment does make a difference. What works for one person might not be the best for the next person. Rasenter is an okay rubber, but I went away from R42 because other rubbers had more benefits that suited my playing style. I tried R47 on a friends paddle. It was okay, but neither him nor I thought it was great. He switched to Tenergy already and is much happier. 

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Posted By: Nightsky
Date Posted: 02/12/2019 at 4:58am
Worst ever? Lately? Well, about 2,5 years ago I tested the Tuttle Beijing IV. It was a total desaster. Worst rubber ever by a long shot (at least for me)!


Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 02/12/2019 at 6:11am
The worst rubber I have ever played was a blue NT H3 since 5-8 years ago: its topsheet and sponge come off after 5ms playing. The second one came off after 15ms.


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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/12/2019 at 9:14am
Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

ALL ARE GOOD LASSES, BUT WHENCE COME THE EVIL WIVES ?

There is no bad rubber, there is production lapse and bad quality control.      

Be alert of China-made every product, because improper quality inspection does occur so oftentimes at most chinese makings .

Keep on your umpire world you dont know what you re talking about , yinhe is selling good in japan. I know your hatred about china well prepare to look for a liver replacement


Posted By: SmileTT
Date Posted: 02/12/2019 at 9:34am
Noticed above, two votes for Yinhe Moon. I will give it another. Avoid this rubber, guys. 
Big dipper, however, is great, love it.


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Posted By: YoAss
Date Posted: 02/12/2019 at 9:46am
When returning to the game, the first shop I went to warned me against modern tensor rubbers.

I conservatively went for what I knew and loved back then.  But today's Mark V, Sriver L and Varispin were a disappointment to me.  A nearly unqualifyable feeling was missing.  The biggest disappointment was the Varispin, which used to provide ultimate control and feeling while imparting massive spin upon request.  The new slab was numb and dull.

This was especially so when I found back a blade that I had played with as a cadet, over 35 years ago.  On it a Sriver L at 1.5mm (red) and a Friendship 729 (aubergine), and both surprisingly well-preserved.  That 35yo Sriver felt much better than the new Sriver slab; livelier, grippier, with a better click, steadier in counters, more reliable in powerloops.  And that ancient 729 is miraculous.  The new Sriver L also lost its grip, the top layer started to harden up and crumble/tear after a few monts of play.

They aren't ncessarily bad rubbers, I guess, but I don't think they're as good as they once were.  Not because they are eclipsed by the mondern stuff -- they are, of course, but when I was getting to grips with them I did not have them as a frame of reference.


Posted By: vik2000
Date Posted: 02/12/2019 at 10:03am
Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

Yes, you can deliver the power and spin with the Rasanter series if you use the technique suitable for that rubber. However, that doesn't mean its the very best rubber on the market which fits every blade and every single persons playing style. R47, for instance, has pretty good spin, speed, and good size sweet spot, but its not so forgiving if you make slight error with your blade angle. R47 also requires a much more open blade angle than any of the rubbers from say the Tenergy series. When playing with R47, if one were to close the blade as much as you did when you played with Tenergy, the ball just falls to the ground. I could see why someone might say, "that sucks." I tend to agree, that equipment does make a difference. What works for one person might not be the best for the next person. Rasenter is an okay rubber, but I went away from R42 because other rubbers had more benefits that suited my playing style. I tried R47 on a friends paddle. It was okay, but neither him nor I thought it was great. He switched to Tenergy already and is much happier. 

And no one is disputing this statement. You're simply saying some other rubbers suit you better than modern tensor rubbers. All of these rubbers are excellent and there is literally nothing one cannot do to adapt to the slight differences. 

Also, talking about rubbers only is pointless. If you put latest gen tensor rubbers on some of the OFF+ blades with ALC/ZLC outer carbon layers, most amateurs will struggle to control. However, they behave differently when you slap them on, for example, Acoustic. 

This is why I hate this sort of dumb thread. People making empty statement with zero context as to what level they are, what their style is, what blades they use, thickness of their rubbers, and etc. There are way too many variables that impact your experience with a rubber. 


Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 02/12/2019 at 10:18am
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This is why I hate this sort of dumb thread. People making empty statement with zero context as to what level they are, what their style is, what blades they use, thickness of their rubbers, and etc. There are way too many variables that impact your experience with a rubber. 
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That's why I always put my playing current level and my current equipment in my signature, but that also could be misleading if someone was looking back over old posts. The signature updates on all of your old posts whenever you change it. 5 or 6 years ago, I was rated 1100 and played short pimples on my forehand. At least the signature gives people some context as to my playing ability when they are reading the more recent posts. 


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Current Setup:
Xiom Zetro Quad, T80(max), Baracuda(max)
Official USATT Rating 1815
Current estimated level: Bad Day ~ 1800 Good Day ~ 2100 (In Asia since 2015, no USATT events here)



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