For me, Joola rhyzm P

It has no feel, little mechanical spin, little top spin grip and plays dead compared to anything else. For comparison it has less spin than unboostwd DHS pf4 which is a slow deadish rubber.

Lubomir pistej(Top 50) and aruna quadri has played with rhyzm-p. 

I think, its about combination blade and rubber. 

The worse combination was yasaka mark v and violin-totally no spin. (donic waldner diablo senso and mark v was perfect, aleo violin+baracuda was one of the best). 

It´s useless, does not have the spin, control or speed of the original Hurricane.

Agreed! 3-50 soft is aweful.

I must say that some of my opponents had same rubbers and produced very good shots! Probably these rubbers dont like my blades :(

anubhav1984 wrote: Somehow the recent iteration of Tibhar Genius was a complete waste this time around that I tried it. I have played with it earlier and back then it was really great but now that I used it after having played with Tenergy and Rasanters of the lot, it is just so bad. It is a great rubber for beginners obviously but nothing in it for advanced players. I did move it around on three different blades and it was dead on all three of them. Maybe I got a bad batch or may be that is how it has always been. Don't know!

There are pro players in Germany who play with (boosted) Genius. So you most likely got a faulty one.

I had 3 sheets in the past 2 years and all were good.

Worst rubber I tried lately?

Probably Yasaka Rising Dragon. Too hard to be played effectively with euro technique, not as much spin as Chinese rubbers. So you either need a very peculiar (weird) technique or you need to boost it. Hitting hard with it, the ball does not catch the end line like with H3. But it also doesn't have the same quality in the mid gears like G-1 or Genius or VP. So I don't know how this rubber makes sense.

Must have been a bad batch for sure because I could not get it to fire up no matter how many thin layers of booster I used on it. It just felt too mushy to begin with.

Hozuki wrote: Worst rubber I tried lately? Probably Yasaka Rising Dragon. Too hard to be played effectively with euro technique, not as much spin as Chinese rubbers. So you either need a very peculiar (weird) technique or you need to boost it. Hitting hard with it, the ball does not catch the end line like with H3. But it also doesn't have the same quality in the mid gears like G-1 or Genius or VP. So I don't know how this rubber makes sense.

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FH - Undecided
BH - Undecided

Anyone know more Rubbers such as these? Kindly let me know. Would like to avoid. Thanks! 

Chewy wrote: Rubbers that have extremely soft top sheets. I find it difficult to loop with (during games). Gewo Hype KR, Donic Acuda Blue series, Rasanter V42. And similar stuff...  Anyone know more Rubbers such as these? Kindly let me know. Would like to avoid. Thanks!

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I like AK47 very much. 

I use the RED version tuned with 2 layers of FTL in my BH, it works nicely.

I'd have to agree with yrd. I was using it opposite spinpips, and with my technique the players said I had more spin using the spinpips for looping... 

I do like mx s and victas 401 for similar but better executed rubbers for my style 

What is wrong with AK47? Are they all bad?

Worst ever: Stiga Airoc

Yup, playing with AK47 Blue for almost 6 months now. It lets me put more balls on the table :).

As far as "what's great for someone could be garbage for someone else" - I somewhat agree (level, technique, and playing style matter here), but then it just reinforces my belief that reviews and polls are quite meaningless... 

The only takeaway from this thread is that some rubbers work really well for some people and not others due to difference in techniques. It almost seems like some people really need to work on their techniques because you really shouldn't be struggling with certain type of rubbers.

Can't agree more...  this thread is ridiculous.  Most decent players should be able to pick up any rubber and play close to their level. Tensor vs sticky - agree, big difference. But joola vs Andro.. they are all ESN made and play like siblings.

Also someone above was mentioning Tenergy 05Fx... lmao.. Not Harimoto's fan but this was his bh rubber up until very recently.

Plain old Rasant. 

It's heavy, but it's incredibly versatile. Speed, spin control, works on flexy and stiff blades... It's almost perfect.

Rasanter R42 is a lighter, softer, crappier, rubber with less spin, less control and less speed that has a similar name and with a different topsheet and a similar colored sponge.

If 14yrs old can learn the technique to use it then so can anyone else 

I have a strong dislike of T05-FX myself, and to be honest I don't care if every pro on the planet uses it.  It just feels grim to me, and I'm not really sure that what the pros like in a rubber has got much relevance to the very small TT pool I swim in.

I like R47, and still have a strong preference for it in that group of mid-hard eurojaps.  Some pros are using that too, but beyond giving me an impression that it's "good enough" in some way for them I try not to read too much into it.  It's easy to get carried away with what pro preference means for the amateur level, IMO.

But it just goes to show - equipment preference is a very subjective, personal thing!  So bring it on, I say.

Otherwise we would all be playing with the 2$ Barna racket sets...well most of us.

Yes there's also user error, no one is denying that. But if you are one of those who says equipment does not matter, then WHY are you using the setup you are using? why not use the $2 Barna set up?...there's a reason. Because equipment does matter, that's why.

FdT

There is equipment which 99% suits an individual's needs, and there is equipment which 99% does not.  And there is a vast spectrum of stuff in between these two poles (I leave 1% at the outer edges for fun. mostly).

But objectively *bad* equipment, as in just plain bad for everyone?  A hard statement to justify I think.

Equipment definitely matters, but it matters in different ways to different people and there will always be differences of opinion.

This makes zero sense. We aren't comparing a well-known brand name with proven rubber quality to some $2 rubbers. People are literally throwing rubber names like MX-S, Rasanter series, and other ESN/tensor rubbers in this thread saying how horrible they are. This is absolutely bogus and no one should take these comments seriously. It's like the EJ disease has infected them because there is absolutely no way that these rubbers can perform as bad as they claim to be unless their technique is messed up. 

As an example, this Japanese TT channel has done an extensive review on Rasanter series, and the video below is just one of the videos showing various players using Rasanter rubbers. If you can't deliver the power and spin with the latest ESN rubbers like Rasanter, Aurus, and etc., you need to re-assess your skills. 

Keep on your umpire world you dont know what you re talking about , yinhe is selling good in japan. I know your hatred about china well prepare to look for a liver replacement

Big dipper, however, is great, love it.

I conservatively went for what I knew and loved back then.  But today's Mark V, Sriver L and Varispin were a disappointment to me.  A nearly unqualifyable feeling was missing.  The biggest disappointment was the Varispin, which used to provide ultimate control and feeling while imparting massive spin upon request.  The new slab was numb and dull.

This was especially so when I found back a blade that I had played with as a cadet, over 35 years ago.  On it a Sriver L at 1.5mm (red) and a Friendship 729 (aubergine), and both surprisingly well-preserved.  That 35yo Sriver felt much better than the new Sriver slab; livelier, grippier, with a better click, steadier in counters, more reliable in powerloops.  And that ancient 729 is miraculous.  The new Sriver L also lost its grip, the top layer started to harden up and crumble/tear after a few monts of play.

They aren't ncessarily bad rubbers, I guess, but I don't think they're as good as they once were.  Not because they are eclipsed by the mondern stuff -- they are, of course, but when I was getting to grips with them I did not have them as a frame of reference.

And no one is disputing this statement. You're simply saying some other rubbers suit you better than modern tensor rubbers. All of these rubbers are excellent and there is literally nothing one cannot do to adapt to the slight differences. 

Also, talking about rubbers only is pointless. If you put latest gen tensor rubbers on some of the OFF+ blades with ALC/ZLC outer carbon layers, most amateurs will struggle to control. However, they behave differently when you slap them on, for example, Acoustic. 

This is why I hate this sort of dumb thread. People making empty statement with zero context as to what level they are, what their style is, what blades they use, thickness of their rubbers, and etc. There are way too many variables that impact your experience with a rubber. 

This is why I hate this sort of dumb thread. People making empty statement with zero context as to what level they are, what their style is, what blades they use, thickness of their rubbers, and etc. There are way too many variables that impact your experience with a rubber. 

That's why I always put my playing current level and my current equipment in my signature, but that also could be misleading if someone was looking back over old posts. The signature updates on all of your old posts whenever you change it. 5 or 6 years ago, I was rated 1100 and played short pimples on my forehand. At least the signature gives people some context as to my playing ability when they are reading the more recent posts.