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Topic: WRM Video Translations
Posted By: mickd
Subject: WRM Video Translations
Date Posted: 02/14/2019 at 9:17pm
Since there is interest, I've decided to slowly add subtitles to the World Rubber Market channel videos. Of course, since I'm just one man, it'll probably take a few weeks each depending on the video. Japanese also isn't my native tongue, so please excuse any translation errors, which are bound to exist. Over time I'm hoping to build up a decent collection of translated videos Smile

I'll most likely take suggestions from you guys as for which videos to translate. So if there are any particular videos you want translated, feel free to let me know. I can't guarantee I'll translate it, but if I have the time, I'll try to get around to it.

I'll provide a list and current progress in this thread. Feel free to comment about the videos, too. If anyone feels like the conversation needs to be taken out of this thread, feel free to start another thread for specifically one video.

Currently Translating:
Deceptive FH Pendulum Serve  https://youtu.be/d-q2C81JBFE" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/d-q2C81JBFE

List to Translate (Not in Translating Order):
1)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-xRqfTUTn0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-xRqfTUTn0
2)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyfhpHLeIQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyfhpHLeIQ
3)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHAj0u8sJY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHAj0u8sJY
4)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGe2Mi8-n2g" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGe2Mi8-n2g
5)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4mtAFDj54I" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4mtAFDj54I

Recently Translated:
Mr. Oba's GODLY Tomahawk Serve

Previously Translated:
1) Deceptive BH Serve  https://youtu.be/iV2irw_dEyA" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/iV2irw_dEyA
2) Yassun's Powerful Forehand Topspin https://youtu.be/oX31FTT_dPc" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/oX31FTT_dPc



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Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/14/2019 at 9:19pm
I've submitted the subtitles for 'Yassun's Powerful Forehand Topspin', but we're going to have to wait awhile for them to approve them :)

There were some bits that I couldn't figure out what they were saying, so I left question marks in the translation, sorry!

If anything doesn't make sense, or if you know Japanese and have suggestions/comments on any of what I wrote, feel free to message me!


Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 02/15/2019 at 2:36am
It's about time for the red guy to learn to loop properly.  All these years he finally realized his old way of forehand looping wasn't effective...

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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/16/2019 at 5:04am
Can't wait for the translations to come up! Do they have something similar for the BH topspin?

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Hurricane Long 5

FH: Hurricane 8
BH: TinArc 5


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/16/2019 at 6:50am
Hi mickd maybe add this to the list, it seems to have some info about the BH topspin :)

https://youtu.be/18UxMu6KsAc" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/18UxMu6KsAc


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Hurricane Long 5

FH: Hurricane 8
BH: TinArc 5


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/16/2019 at 9:43am
Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

It's about time for the red guy to learn to loop properly.  All these years he finally realized his old way of forehand looping wasn't effective...

I could be wrong, but I feel like the tone of the videos are more like him pretending to play the student, even if he of course knows most of what he's being told.

Also, I'm not sure if it's inefficient or not, at least for what he's trying to achieve. He's a high level player, but not a pro player. That said, everyone has room to improve, even him. So maybe he will incorporate more of that into his game :)

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Can't wait for the translations to come up! Do they have something similar for the BH topspin?

Yeah, it's taking longer than the first video I did. I didn't email them this time to ask. But last time they said to give them a few days, and if they haven't approved the subtitles, email them and they'll do it asap. So hopefully it'll be approved tomorrow (it's midnight in Japan now, so I doubt it'll happen until at least the morning).

They'll definitely have a lot of videos on the BH topspin. Hopefully someone will choose one they'd like subbed? Wink

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Hi mickd maybe add this to the list, it seems to have some info about the BH topspin :)

https://youtu.be/18UxMu6KsAc" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/18UxMu6KsAc

Yeah, sure. That's only a 3 minute video, so it'll take a lot less time to sub. That said, it's not a WRM video, and Butterfly hasn't allowed community contributions onto the video. If I do sub it, I'm not sure what's the best way. Maybe I can download the video, upload it as an unlisted video and add subs to it myself and just post it here?


Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 02/16/2019 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

It's about time for the red guy to learn to loop properly.  All these years he finally realized his old way of forehand looping wasn't effective...

To loop properly? Kinda harsh statement there, don't you think?
Ghuccy is about 2500 - 2600 here, he came to US Open several times, I am sure he can whack you and me like flies lol Big smile


Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 02/16/2019 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

It's about time for the red guy to learn to loop properly.  All these years he finally realized his old way of forehand looping wasn't effective...

I could be wrong, but I feel like the tone of the videos are more like him pretending to play the student, even if he of course knows most of what he's being told.

Also, I'm not sure if it's inefficient or not, at least for what he's trying to achieve. He's a high level player, but not a pro player. That said, everyone has room to improve, even him. So maybe he will incorporate more of that into his game :)


Agreed, there is no "correct" way to loop properly. He is a very high level, not a pro. Very entertaining and down to earth dude. I like watching his videos..
Thanks for the subtitles Clap

PS: Go watch pavel platonov, super awkward pro player, but he will beat 99.99% of members of this forum, I am sure LOL



Posted By: Ieyasu
Date Posted: 02/16/2019 at 4:05pm
I think MickD is right. My take is he's playing the straight-man.

As for his US rating, it's 2417. The USA ratings page only has one entry for him, which was the 2017 US Open. It appears that one of our forum members played him in the Adult Open Teams B.

(I'm assuming his name is Ryuichi Yamaguchi.)


Posted By: nuri
Date Posted: 02/16/2019 at 5:02pm
there is a very good channel can you do something for this channel 
https://www.youtube.com/user/cultcho/playlists?disable_polymer=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/user/cultcho/playlists?disable_polymer=1



Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/17/2019 at 4:07am
Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

As for his US rating, it's 2417. The USA ratings page only has one entry for him, which was the 2017 US Open. It appears that one of our forum members played him in the Adult Open Teams B.

Damn. Sometimes I'm surprised how many strong players there are in Japan. I was thinking my coach would be like ~2400, and his best result was top 32 in singles, and top 8 in doubles in All Japan back when he played. Probably means he'd be rated much higher.

Since you got me interested, I looked up the tournament, and his only 2 losses were to someone rated 2713 and 2505 at the time. All the rest he won, though the highest win was against a 2320. There were no matches against 24XXs.

Originally posted by nuri nuri wrote:

there is a very good channel can you do something for this channel 
https://www.youtube.com/user/cultcho/playlists?disable_polymer=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/user/cultcho/playlists?disable_polymer=1

Would love to help you out there, nuri. But all your videos are in Korean. I'd have to start studying Korean and get back to you on that in like 10 years time ha.


Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 02/17/2019 at 12:15pm
Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

I think MickD is right. My take is he's playing the straight-man.

As for his US rating, it's 2417. The USA ratings page only has one entry for him, which was the 2017 US Open. It appears that one of our forum members played him in the Adult Open Teams B.

(I'm assuming his name is Ryuichi Yamaguchi.)
Correct, he came here several times but 2017 was the first time he entered..
Too bad he met Bob Chen and lost .. Otherwise I am pretty sure he can get 2500+ ratings


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/17/2019 at 11:03pm
Yeah, his opponent had some pretty solid quad muscles. Looks like the subtitles for the video in the OP has finally been approved! I emailed them last night so I guess they got my email ha.

Let me know what you think and if the subs make sense. Some of the things they were saying were basically 3 ways of saying the same word, so I had to improvise with my translation.


Posted By: Ieyasu
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 1:14am
MickD... THANKS so much for taking the time to translate!!!

I've watched, or should I say I've killed/wasted a lot of time watching youtube "instructional" videos, but this is by far and away the best exposition of the forehand top-spin shot I have watched.

Your sub-titles are great. I got a much better understanding of the principles and teaching moments from it than by watching the video alone.

One thing I found particularly interesting was the emphasis on rotational force (with the head as center) as opposed to shifting one's weight from left to right, or front to back, and the reasons for it (unless one has time for a left-right shift).

I owe you a dinner! Smile



Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 3:14am
Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

MickD... THANKS so much for taking the time to translate!!!

I've watched, or should I say I've killed/wasted a lot of time watching youtube "instructional" videos, but this is by far and away the best exposition of the forehand top-spin shot I have watched.

Your sub-titles are great. I got a much better understanding of the principles and teaching moments from it than by watching the video alone.

One thing I found particularly interesting was the emphasis on rotational force (with the head as center) as opposed to shifting one's weight from left to right, or front to back, and the reasons for it (unless one has time for a left-right shift).

I owe you a dinner! Smile


I second this, this has to be one of the most helpful forehand topspin video I have ever seen...period! The weight shift clarified a lot of things for me, will definitely try to implement that next time I practice!!


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Hurricane Long 5

FH: Hurricane 8
BH: TinArc 5


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 11:51am
Thanks leyasu and blahness. I'm glad you two enjoyed the video! I like the style of their videos. It's not just strictly talking about table tennis. They talk about difficult concepts while making the videos entertaining. I tried to capture that essence with the translations.

I tried what they said at practice today. The balls were definitely very fast. But I don't think my partner and I are high enough level to hit balls like that ha. You'll definitely need a high level partner or multiball to practice it.

Oh and leyasu, if you ever visit me in Japan I'll take you up on that offer :) Wagyu steak dinner it is!


Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 1:11pm
Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.


Posted By: Ieyasu
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

I'll call your bluff.Smile

This video is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0JxGEzYoM&feature=youtu.be

However it looks informative. When he's talking about the backhand topspin technique it appears he's demonstrating a different technique from what most players use, but apparently the newer ones like FZD are using it. That's just my guess.

If you think this video is worthwhile as a teaching tool can you translate some of it?


Posted By: Ieyasu
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Oh and leyasu, if you ever visit me in Japan I'll take you up on that offer :) Wagyu steak dinner it is!

I stepped into that one, didn't I?  haha.

The one question about the forehand topspin I did not see answered, and at my level, maybe it doesn't matter, but it's with respect to the backswing.

The sensei always takes the racket back low, to the same point and then brings it to the proper height to meet the ball, whereas Yamaguchi reacts to the ball and brings the racket to the level he thinks it needs to be without the racket "looping-up" (for lack of a better term).

I have a small sample size, but it seems like the very best players (mainly Asian) have this loop in their swing where they drop the racket to the same point, but either while the paddle is still going back then bring the racket up (if necessary)  or alter the swing arc when going forward.


Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

I'll call your bluff.Smile

This video is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0JxGEzYoM&feature=youtu.be

However it looks informative. When he's talking about the backhand topspin technique it appears he's demonstrating a different technique from what most players use, but apparently the newer ones like FZD are using it. That's just my guess.

If you think this video is worthwhile as a teaching tool can you translate some of it?
if you go to the backhand topspin thread by nicholai, you'll find a post of mine where I talk about it. 


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

I'll call your bluff.Smile

This video is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0JxGEzYoM&feature=youtu.be

However it looks informative. When he's talking about the backhand topspin technique it appears he's demonstrating a different technique from what most players use, but apparently the newer ones like FZD are using it. That's just my guess.

If you think this video is worthwhile as a teaching tool can you translate some of it?

I think the Korean guy actually was demonstrating the supination technique! You can see the difference between Timo Boll's BH which doesn't use a lot of supination (mostly spinny BH but not really that powerful) compared to even the guy's own topspin (which looks more powerful). You can see the forearm rotation and the pressing down of the bat angle which is a signature of the supination technique!


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Hurricane Long 5

FH: Hurricane 8
BH: TinArc 5


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 4:42pm
Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Oh and leyasu, if you ever visit me in Japan I'll take you up on that offer :) Wagyu steak dinner it is!

I stepped into that one, didn't I?  haha.

The one question about the forehand topspin I did not see answered, and at my level, maybe it doesn't matter, but it's with respect to the backswing.

The sensei always takes the racket back low, to the same point and then brings it to the proper height to meet the ball, whereas Yamaguchi reacts to the ball and brings the racket to the level he thinks it needs to be without the racket "looping-up" (for lack of a better term).

I have a small sample size, but it seems like the very best players (mainly Asian) have this loop in their swing where they drop the racket to the same point, but either while the paddle is still going back then bring the racket up (if necessary)  or alter the swing arc when going forward.

I noticed the same thing, it's a circular recovery thing... Gucchy does it the inefficient way imo where he takes the circular path (same as the swing path for the stroke), if you see guys like FZD, after the stroke he drops his racket so that the racket goes directly to his waist in a direct line, this is more efficient because firstly it's a more direct path so less time is needed, secondly because the arm is closer to the body there is less rotational inertia to overcome, so you can relax a bit more....


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Hurricane Long 5

FH: Hurricane 8
BH: TinArc 5


Posted By: Ieyasu
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

I'll call your bluff.Smile

This video is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0JxGEzYoM&feature=youtu.be

However it looks informative. When he's talking about the backhand topspin technique it appears he's demonstrating a different technique from what most players use, but apparently the newer ones like FZD are using it. That's just my guess.

If you think this video is worthwhile as a teaching tool can you translate some of it?

I think the Korean guy actually was demonstrating the supination technique! You can see the difference between Timo Boll's BH which doesn't use a lot of supination (mostly spinny BH but not really that powerful) compared to even the guy's own topspin (which looks more powerful). You can see the forearm rotation and the pressing down of the bat angle which is a signature of the supination technique!

I'm an idiot. Even when shadowing my backhand top-spin drive I didn't see or feel supination, but when I slowed it down, guess what I saw? Ayuuuuh! Talk about complete self-unawareness. For me it just happens naturally, and am completely unaware of a conscious effort to do it. It is probably the only thing in table tennis I do naturally that is correct.

So now I am 100% in your camp. Not rolling the forearm seems unnatural to me.Smile  

TTGold: Thanks, I will look for your comments. (All of TTR-Hunter's videos look interesting to me. He has one video with English sub-titles, but it was from 2010. He's posted a lot more content since then. How much of it would actually be beneficial rather than interesting, I don't know.)

Edited to add: When I say rolling the forearm I don't mean to the point where my wrist is facing completely upwards.. 


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 8:43pm
Lots of great information! At the start of the German video you posted, there was an Asian guy doing backhands and I was like, "damn, this guy is amazing" for a few seconds before I realized it was Ma Long Embarrassed

That video does look like there is a lot of value inside.


Posted By: Ieyasu
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Lots of great information! At the start of the German video you posted, there was an Asian guy doing backhands and I was like, "damn, this guy is amazing" for a few seconds before I realized it was Ma Long Embarrassed

That video does look like there is a lot of value inside.

Oh my. I had the same reaction!  But I did not notice until watching his forehand, thinking, wow this guy's footwork and timing is excellent, he looks dang good and he looks Asian... is he a league player in Germany? LOL.


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 10:10pm
Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Lots of great information! At the start of the German video you posted, there was an Asian guy doing backhands and I was like, "damn, this guy is amazing" for a few seconds before I realized it was Ma Long Embarrassed

That video does look like there is a lot of value inside.

Oh my. I had the same reaction!  But I did not notice until watching his forehand, thinking, wow this guy's footwork and timing is excellent, he looks dang good and he looks Asian... is he a league player in Germany? LOL.

Rofl you guys don't watch enough matches.... Just one look at the strokes and you already know it's Ma Long, no one else has this stroke structure and fluidity....


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Hurricane Long 5

FH: Hurricane 8
BH: TinArc 5


Posted By: Ieyasu
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 10:15pm
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Lots of great information! At the start of the German video you posted, there was an Asian guy doing backhands and I was like, "damn, this guy is amazing" for a few seconds before I realized it was Ma Long Embarrassed

That video does look like there is a lot of value inside.

Oh my. I had the same reaction!  But I did not notice until watching his forehand, thinking, wow this guy's footwork and timing is excellent, he looks dang good and he looks Asian... is he a league player in Germany? LOL.

Rofl you guys don't watch enough matches.... Just one look at the strokes and you already know it's Ma Long, no one else has this stroke structure and fluidity....

Don't forget I admitted to being an idiot, above. MickD can probably come-up with a better excuse.


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Rofl you guys don't watch enough matches.... Just one look at the strokes and you already know it's Ma Long, no one else has this stroke structure and fluidity....

Haha, well I don't know if I have a better excuse or not. Usually I can tell by his technique and even his leg muscles alone. It took a few seconds because I was expecting a Korean guy. I have no idea why I assumed there was only going to be 1 Asian guy in the video!!

P.S. Even my blade is the Ma Long blade haha. Embarrassed


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 11:55pm
Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Rofl you guys don't watch enough matches.... Just one look at the strokes and you already know it's Ma Long, no one else has this stroke structure and fluidity....

Haha, well I don't know if I have a better excuse or not. Usually I can tell by his technique and even his leg muscles alone. It took a few seconds because I was expecting a Korean guy. I have no idea why I assumed there was only going to be 1 Asian guy in the video!!

P.S. Even my blade is the Ma Long blade haha. Embarrassed

Is it the DHS PG7? I love that blade too! It's one of the favourite blades at my club too....it's very linear and controllable, exactly what you need in a blade!


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Hurricane Long 5

FH: Hurricane 8
BH: TinArc 5


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/18/2019 at 11:58pm
Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

I'll call your bluff.Smile

This video is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0JxGEzYoM&feature=youtu.be

However it looks informative. When he's talking about the backhand topspin technique it appears he's demonstrating a different technique from what most players use, but apparently the newer ones like FZD are using it. That's just my guess.

If you think this video is worthwhile as a teaching tool can you translate some of it?

I think the Korean guy actually was demonstrating the supination technique! You can see the difference between Timo Boll's BH which doesn't use a lot of supination (mostly spinny BH but not really that powerful) compared to even the guy's own topspin (which looks more powerful). You can see the forearm rotation and the pressing down of the bat angle which is a signature of the supination technique!

I'm an idiot. Even when shadowing my backhand top-spin drive I didn't see or feel supination, but when I slowed it down, guess what I saw? Ayuuuuh! Talk about complete self-unawareness. For me it just happens naturally, and am completely unaware of a conscious effort to do it. It is probably the only thing in table tennis I do naturally that is correct.

So now I am 100% in your camp. Not rolling the forearm seems unnatural to me.Smile  

TTGold: Thanks, I will look for your comments. (All of TTR-Hunter's videos look interesting to me. He has one video with English sub-titles, but it was from 2010. He's posted a lot more content since then. How much of it would actually be beneficial rather than interesting, I don't know.)

Edited to add: When I say rolling the forearm I don't mean to the point where my wrist is facing completely upwards.. 

I have played on and off for about 10 years and never noticed it haha.... For me I had the opposite experience, if you supinate fully you'll get even more power and spin! For me my wrist now faces upwards at the end of the stroke, with the blade, wrist and arm forming a straight line.


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Hurricane Long 5

FH: Hurricane 8
BH: TinArc 5


Posted By: Ieyasu
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 1:01am
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

I'll call your bluff.Smile

This video is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0JxGEzYoM&feature=youtu.be

However it looks informative. When he's talking about the backhand topspin technique it appears he's demonstrating a different technique from what most players use, but apparently the newer ones like FZD are using it. That's just my guess.

If you think this video is worthwhile as a teaching tool can you translate some of it?

I think the Korean guy actually was demonstrating the supination technique! You can see the difference between Timo Boll's BH which doesn't use a lot of supination (mostly spinny BH but not really that powerful) compared to even the guy's own topspin (which looks more powerful). You can see the forearm rotation and the pressing down of the bat angle which is a signature of the supination technique!

I'm an idiot. Even when shadowing my backhand top-spin drive I didn't see or feel supination, but when I slowed it down, guess what I saw? Ayuuuuh! Talk about complete self-unawareness. For me it just happens naturally, and am completely unaware of a conscious effort to do it. It is probably the only thing in table tennis I do naturally that is correct.

So now I am 100% in your camp. Not rolling the forearm seems unnatural to me.Smile  

TTGold: Thanks, I will look for your comments. (All of TTR-Hunter's videos look interesting to me. He has one video with English sub-titles, but it was from 2010. He's posted a lot more content since then. How much of it would actually be beneficial rather than interesting, I don't know.)

Edited to add: When I say rolling the forearm I don't mean to the point where my wrist is facing completely upwards.. 

I have played on and off for about 10 years and never noticed it haha.... For me I had the opposite experience, if you supinate fully you'll get even more power and spin! For me my wrist now faces upwards at the end of the stroke, with the blade, wrist and arm forming a straight line.

Maybe I did not explain clearly. I don't think we had the opposite experience. I just never noticed the supination. My wrist will face upwards, but not to the point where my forearm or wrist is parallel to the ground. Do you supinate your wrist and forearm to that extent?


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 1:53am
Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

I'll call your bluff.Smile

This video is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0JxGEzYoM&feature=youtu.be

However it looks informative. When he's talking about the backhand topspin technique it appears he's demonstrating a different technique from what most players use, but apparently the newer ones like FZD are using it. That's just my guess.

If you think this video is worthwhile as a teaching tool can you translate some of it?

I think the Korean guy actually was demonstrating the supination technique! You can see the difference between Timo Boll's BH which doesn't use a lot of supination (mostly spinny BH but not really that powerful) compared to even the guy's own topspin (which looks more powerful). You can see the forearm rotation and the pressing down of the bat angle which is a signature of the supination technique!

I'm an idiot. Even when shadowing my backhand top-spin drive I didn't see or feel supination, but when I slowed it down, guess what I saw? Ayuuuuh! Talk about complete self-unawareness. For me it just happens naturally, and am completely unaware of a conscious effort to do it. It is probably the only thing in table tennis I do naturally that is correct.

So now I am 100% in your camp. Not rolling the forearm seems unnatural to me.Smile  

TTGold: Thanks, I will look for your comments. (All of TTR-Hunter's videos look interesting to me. He has one video with English sub-titles, but it was from 2010. He's posted a lot more content since then. How much of it would actually be beneficial rather than interesting, I don't know.)

Edited to add: When I say rolling the forearm I don't mean to the point where my wrist is facing completely upwards.. 

I have played on and off for about 10 years and never noticed it haha.... For me I had the opposite experience, if you supinate fully you'll get even more power and spin! For me my wrist now faces upwards at the end of the stroke, with the blade, wrist and arm forming a straight line.

Maybe I did not explain clearly. I don't think we had the opposite experience. I just never noticed the supination. My wrist will face upwards, but not to the point where my forearm or wrist is parallel to the ground. Do you supinate your wrist and forearm to that extent?

Actually it really depends on the incoming ball... against heavier topspin that is indeed the angle...


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Posted By: Ieyasu
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 2:15am
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Actually it really depends on the incoming ball... against heavier topspin that is indeed the angle...

Okay, I'll buy that. Good point. I was shadowing against a light topspin ball. Wink


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 2:51am
Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

It's about time for the red guy to learn to loop properly.  All these years he finally realized his old way of forehand looping wasn't effective...

I could be wrong, but I feel like the tone of the videos are more like him pretending to play the student, even if he of course knows most of what he's being told.

Also, I'm not sure if it's inefficient or not, at least for what he's trying to achieve. He's a high level player, but not a pro player. That said, everyone has room to improve, even him. So maybe he will incorporate more of that into his game :)

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Can't wait for the translations to come up! Do they have something similar for the BH topspin?

Yeah, it's taking longer than the first video I did. I didn't email them this time to ask. But last time they said to give them a few days, and if they haven't approved the subtitles, email them and they'll do it asap. So hopefully it'll be approved tomorrow (it's midnight in Japan now, so I doubt it'll happen until at least the morning).

They'll definitely have a lot of videos on the BH topspin. Hopefully someone will choose one they'd like subbed? Wink

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Hi mickd maybe add this to the list, it seems to have some info about the BH topspin :)

https://youtu.be/18UxMu6KsAc" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/18UxMu6KsAc

Yeah, sure. That's only a 3 minute video, so it'll take a lot less time to sub. That said, it's not a WRM video, and Butterfly hasn't allowed community contributions onto the video. If I do sub it, I'm not sure what's the best way. Maybe I can download the video, upload it as an unlisted video and add subs to it myself and just post it here?

Hey mickd sorry for the late reply, actually I was thinking more about a post here just with some times + translation would do the trick! 

Here's another service video for the hook serve to add to your list ;) 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t-xRqfTUTn0

Pushing against topspin serves
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyfhpHLeIQ

How to add extreme spin to pushes?
https://youtu.be/kpHAj0u8sJY


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 7:32am
Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

There is a lot of TTR Hunter stuff I want translated but it can pretty long.  If you want compensation,  let me know but the one I am thinking of Is the 10 most common mistakes that players make.


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Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Hey mickd sorry for the late reply, actually I was thinking more about a post here just with some times + translation would do the trick! 

Here's another service video for the hook serve to add to your list ;) 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t-xRqfTUTn0" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t-xRqfTUTn0

Pushing against topspin serves
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyfhpHLeIQ" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyfhpHLeIQ

How to add extreme spin to pushes?
https://youtu.be/kpHAj0u8sJY" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/kpHAj0u8sJY

Hey, no problem! I'll have a look at those and maybe eventually get to them all haha. One is super long so I'm not looking forward to that. Gucchy looks so young back then with long hair. The last one has Japanese subtitles, which will be a HUGE help.

As for my blade, I'm using Hurricane Long 3. I've been using it for 2 years now.


Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 02/19/2019 at 8:54pm
YOU ARE THE f**kING BOSS MICKD.

I bow to you and and kiss your feet


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/20/2019 at 8:54pm
You're welcome! I'm glad you like it Smile I'll try finish another video sometime next week. I have a free day next week to work on it. Hopefully with practice I'll get faster.


Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 02/21/2019 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

You're welcome! I'm glad you like it Smile I'll try finish another video sometime next week. I have a free day next week to work on it. Hopefully with practice I'll get faster.

Fantastic work. Loved the backhand serve one. Although I am not going to just replicate their version I got at least two new aspects to modify my own to make the serve more deceptive. Really looking forward to the pendulum one as my pendulum serve tends to be too obvious between backspin Vs topspin in my opinion.

Do they have a punch serve tutorial on their channel? If so idI love that one too.


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/21/2019 at 3:37pm
Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

You're welcome! I'm glad you like it Smile I'll try finish another video sometime next week. I have a free day next week to work on it. Hopefully with practice I'll get faster.

Fantastic work. Loved the backhand serve one. Although I am not going to just replicate their version I got at least two new aspects to modify my own to make the serve more deceptive. Really looking forward to the pendulum one as my pendulum serve tends to be too obvious between backspin Vs topspin in my opinion.

Do they have a punch serve tutorial on their channel? If so idI love that one too.

That's the really long video I added to mickd's list haha... For FH pendulum I suspect the principles are the same, ie serve backspin and topspin using the same 45 deg blade angle and only varying the direction of the wrist movement which is easily disguised by fake motions in the arm. 


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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 02/21/2019 at 8:00pm
Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

It's about time for the red guy to learn to loop properly.  All these years he finally realized his old way of forehand looping wasn't effective...

To loop properly? Kinda harsh statement there, don't you think?
Ghuccy is about 2500 - 2600 here, he came to US Open several times, I am sure he can whack you and me like flies lol Big smile

well I know Guchi personally and even beat him his rating is nowhere near that and if it's US table tennis level isn't really as good as i thought. His friend Xia the penholder is much higher level.


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/21/2019 at 8:36pm
Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Fantastic work. Loved the backhand serve one. Although I am not going to just replicate their version I got at least two new aspects to modify my own to make the serve more deceptive.

You're welcome! I've also been trying to add the principles I learned to my current serves. I think that's a legit way to go since serves are extremely personal!

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

That's the really long video I added to mickd's list haha...

Hopefully I can get to them all eventually :) I suspect you're right and the principles are the same, but I haven't had a chance to watch it yet!

Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

... Ghuccy is about 2500 - 2600 here, ...

well I know Guchi personally and even beat him his rating is nowhere near that and if it's US table tennis level isn't really as good as i thought. His friend Xia the penholder is much higher level.

I think his current rating of ~2400 is probably pretty accurate. He lost to a 2700 and a 2500. He won everyone else, with the highest being ~2300. Maybe 2500-2600 is on the high end, though! By the way, when did you get the chance to play him? I'd love to play him, even if I'd just get smashed ha.


Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 02/22/2019 at 4:12am

Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

... Ghuccy is about 2500 - 2600 here, ...

well I know Guchi personally and even beat him his rating is nowhere near that and if it's US table tennis level isn't really as good as i thought. His friend Xia the penholder is much higher level.

I think his current rating of ~2400 is probably pretty accurate. He lost to a 2700 and a 2500. He won everyone else, with the highest being ~2300. Maybe 2500-2600 is on the high end, though! By the way, when did you get the chance to play him? I'd love to play him, even if I'd just get smashed ha.
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Well not really  ratings are not accurate if you haven't played at least 5 rating tournaments imho. Because they have do with best win with worst loss. He could have beaten a 2300 but that doesn't he beats 5 or 10 of them for example.

A good friend of mine is a japanese youtuber and did a collaboration with WRM so I played both Xia and Guchi. I also invited some friends over so they played them aswell.


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 02/22/2019 at 8:18am
That's very cool. Maybe you're underestimating your own skill too much? ;) I do agree with you that 2500-2600 is on the high end, but based on your reply, it seems like you think he'd be a lot less than 2400, too. Hopefully one day he'll come and play in a bunch more tournaments and we'll know for sure ha. I'm only speculating based off his one tournament and other videos I see. So you could very well be right. You've also got the experience of playing him to back it up.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/22/2019 at 11:55am
The desceptive BH serve tutorial is the absolute best video I ever watched on the topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2irw_dEyA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2irw_dEyA

The only critic is that in the side to side videos, the receiver opens his paddle more to receive topspin than he does to receive underspin but I understand it's for a good teaching cause.

Thanks a lot for the translation, the following tips are pure gold:

-handle points towards the top or server's head during the whole swing 
-the paddle is 1/2 vertical during the whole swing (45 degrees)
-if we contact with the tip of the head it's a topspin, if we contact with the sweet spot or between the sweet spot and the handle, it's a bit random, between slight side underspin and clear side underspin.

Note: the 2 1st tips force the wrist to be hanging loose which forces smoothness, relaxation and encourages the snap at contact.

I am sure it's a bit more complicated that that but it's enough to get a thread to pull from and build a strong bh serve from there, it's simple and correct enough a framework to develop a strong bh serve, thanks again.


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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 02/22/2019 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

It's about time for the red guy to learn to loop properly.  All these years he finally realized his old way of forehand looping wasn't effective...

To loop properly? Kinda harsh statement there, don't you think?
Ghuccy is about 2500 - 2600 here, he came to US Open several times, I am sure he can whack you and me like flies lol Big smile

well I know Guchi personally and even beat him his rating is nowhere near that and if it's US table tennis level isn't really as good as i thought. His friend Xia the penholder is much higher level.

You are right, I think he is around 2400s or 2500 max..
In here, Akifumi (2600+) beats him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31dQASnNjxw
I saw Akifumi several times, he is awesome. I was hoping he would play at LA Open 2018 since he was there, but he didn't Dead


Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 02/22/2019 at 5:40pm
Mickd, could you translate this?
I am fascinated with this guy's serves..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-VDne6727I" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-VDne6727I

Thank you so much!!


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 03/04/2019 at 12:28am
Hey, sorry. I've been busier than I thought I would be (graduation season) so hopefully I can get back to it soon. At worst, I'll be able to get some done during the spring break.

@dual700 Sure, I'll add it to the list. I like how that guy is also a teacher. Being able to play at that level while working as a teacher is extremely impressive, especially with all of the extra overtime hours.


Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 03/04/2019 at 11:15am
Thanks Mickd!! Clap
Did not know that guy is a teacher. Impressive, indeed!! Clap


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/04/2019 at 4:22pm
Wow i just saw this for the first time. This is awesome, thank you for the work!

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 03/04/2019 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Mickd, could you translate this?
I am fascinated with this guy's serves..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-VDne6727I" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-VDne6727I

Thank you so much!!
+1 I know a couple guys who kill me with that serve, maybe to better understand it I need to learn it myself.

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Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 03/05/2019 at 1:13am
Yeah, imagine being lucky enough to have him as their school table tennis club teacher haha.

You're welcome, beeray1. More to come in time!!

Some of my students loved that serve. When they got it right, it was nearly impossible to return safely. I had to attack all long ones because if I was passive, the ball would at best pop for them to attack and at worse not even hit the table ha. Theirs were nowhere as tricky as that guy's, though. They also couldn't control length and placement well.

I had a look through the video and it actually looks relatively easy to subtitle. Very little I'll need to confirm or look up.


Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 05/17/2019 at 3:37am
Hey, Mickd. Are you doing any more translations?  Do you have links for any that were completed and published?  I've watched the BH serve one several times and thanks a lot for that one.  And the FH loop one was interesting, although not as useful to me.  But it seemed like you were going to do more.


Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 05/17/2019 at 10:48am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Mickd, could you translate this?
I am fascinated with this guy's serves..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-VDne6727I" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-VDne6727I

Thank you so much!!
+1 I know a couple guys who kill me with that serve, maybe to better understand it I need to learn it myself.
+1, I want to understand it too,

In the meantime, we can check out this 

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/uploads/New/20081022_202402_TKY200808080320.jpg" rel="nofollow">

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/a-closer-look-haruna-fukuokas-oji-serve_topic21781.html" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/a-closer-look-haruna-fukuokas-oji-serve_topic21781.html



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Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 05/22/2019 at 4:13pm
the forehand and deceptive backhand service videos are pretty good


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 05/22/2019 at 11:03pm
Sorry guys! I haven't forgotten about this. I had some work problems the last few months. It's finally being sorted (kinda). I since had to cut my table tennis time in half and various other things. I still plan to do more! I actually saw another serve video by WRM that looks really interesting too. I saw it before bed so I didn't watch the whole thing, but it was good.

I was hoping to write this reply with a completed translation, but the work problems have taken a lot more time than I expected.


Posted By: KomiTTa
Date Posted: 05/23/2019 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Sorry guys! I haven't forgotten about this. I had some work problems the last few months. It's finally being sorted (kinda). I since had to cut my table tennis time in half and various other things. I still plan to do more! I actually saw another serve video by WRM that looks really interesting too. I saw it before bed so I didn't watch the whole thing, but it was good.

I was hoping to write this reply with a completed translation, but the work problems have taken a lot more time than I expected.

Thanks for thinking about us Mick, 
There are some existencial things more important than translating videos for TTComUnity, Work and money income is one of those, we understand that and we can wait patiently. When you post new translation it will be a happy event for us, meantime, Good luck, and get your current work problems resolved for good.


Posted By: shinchan1506217
Date Posted: 05/23/2019 at 2:11pm
I can help out with the translations if the work overwhelms you


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 05/23/2019 at 9:22pm
Thank you. I'll have another one finished soon. I was actually working on it for the last 2 hours, and while switching between the dictionary and the YouTube subtitle editor, I accidentally clicked the cross on the tab T_T. You'd think it'll be okay because YouTube auto-saves as you type, but for some reason all the timings are now completely off..

If you're willing to help, of course you're welcome, shinchan! I'm just translating the videos on the WRM channel. If you go to any video (maybe one of the ones that others would like translated), and click on the Settings button on the bottom right of the video, then go to Subtitles, you can add your own. It'll take you to YouTube's built in subtitle editor. Once you finish adding them all and timing it, just press submit and wait for WRM to approve it.


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 05/24/2019 at 12:38am
Okay, I fixed and finished it. I did the tutorial on the tomahawk serve (I don't know if there's a different term for the one where you squat down as you're doing it, but I just called it tomahawk).

And yeah, shinchan, if you're going to work on any, let me know which so we don't accidentally do the same ones :)

I'll update after WRM approves the subtitles. If they haven't in a few days, I'll email them like before!


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 05/24/2019 at 5:25am
Okay, the video is live! I probably should have gone over it again. There is at least one grammatical error. Sorry about that. Let me know if anything doesn't make sense. Also, you can really tell this guy is a teacher because the way he talks is just so nice and clear. There were quite a few parts where I couldn't really figure out what Guccy was saying.




Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 05/24/2019 at 10:35am
Thank you so much!!ClapClap


Posted By: balldance
Date Posted: 05/24/2019 at 12:50pm
Great video. Thank you so much, mickd. There are so many interesting tutorials in Japanese, normally I try to guess the content, but sometimes it's impossible.

Can you do this one when you have time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGe2Mi8-n2g" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGe2Mi8-n2g
I know it takes a lot of time so you don't need to translate everything, just the main tips are great enough. I'm interested in what they say about the contact points (base and tip of racket).

and this one as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4mtAFDj54I


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/24/2019 at 1:03pm
 It would be very helpful to get trasnlated this video of chinese team coach
Lu yuan sen.(wang nan s coach)
https://youtu.be/renJZRKK148" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/renJZRKK148




Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 05/25/2019 at 7:30am
No worries, dual700!

You're welcome, balldance. I'll add those to the list. The second one you linked with the Chinese guy was actually the one I was talking about in my previous post here :)

Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

I actually saw another serve video by WRM that looks really interesting too. I saw it before bed so I didn't watch the whole thing, but it was good.

I might get to that one earlier because I found it quite interesting too.

@mykonos96
That's not in Japanese and isn't a WRM video, but the gist of it was the guy had the incorrect weight transfer. He was going from left to right leg. He was told do the opposite and go from right to left leg. That would allow him to cover his forehand easier since after the backhand he's already got his weight on the left leg, allowing him to push off that leg to take a step with his right leg and transfer the weight directly.

When Wakamiya Misako (former world rank 24, part of Japan's 2015 World Table Tennis team) came to the place I get coaching, she also mentioned about that for close to the table footwork. I've always had it the opposite direction, which my coach said is okay when you've taken a step back since you have time and you can get more power.

The video also mentioned being more light on your feet, which is what they were doing at the end with the shadow practice.

If you'd like a proper translation, maybe someone else can take a look at it. My Chinese is okay, but I can't actually check words up in a dictionary like I can with Japanese ha.



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