Japan Top 12 and WTTC 2019 Trial, 3/2-3
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Topic: Japan Top 12 and WTTC 2019 Trial, 3/2-3
Posted By: zeio
Subject: Japan Top 12 and WTTC 2019 Trial, 3/2-3
Date Posted: 02/28/2019 at 5:48am
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1st day of competition will see 8 contestants duke it out to determine the winner who will get the final spot for singles at the WTTC 2019. The winner will join the other 4 players who have been selected for WTTC singles in Stage 2 and the winner will be the Champion of Japan Top 12 2019. Of note here is that the men's and women's finals of Stage 2 will be broadcast live in prime time on Fuji TV, a major TV station. Folks in Japan are so stoked since this is a 1st in recent years. [Players] ● March 3 (Sun) ◆ Men's Tomokazu Harimoto (JOC Elite Academy) Koki Niwa (Svensson) Jun Mizutani (Kinoshita Group) Kazuhiro Yoshimura (Aichi Institute of Technology) ◆ Women's Kasumi Ishikawa (Zennoh) Mima Ito (Starts SC) Miu Hirano (Nippon Life Insurance) Hitomi Sato (Miki House) ● March 2 (Sat) ◆ Men's Yuya Oshima (Kinoshita Group) Yuki Hirano (Kyowa Hakko Kirin) Yukiya Uda (JOC Elite Academy/Ohara Gakuen) Kenji Matsudaira (Kyowa Hakko Kirin) Shunsuke Togami (Noda Gakuen High School) Taimu Arinobu (Ricoh) Masataka Morizono (Okayama Rivets) Masaki Yoshida (Okayama Rivets) ◆ Women's Saki Shibata (Miki House) Hina Hayata (Nippon Life Insurance) Miyu Kato (Nippon Paint Holdings) Sakura Mori (Nippon Life Insurance) Asuka Sasao (Waseda University) Minami Ando (Senshu University) Miyuu Kihara (JOC Elite Academy) Miyu Nagasaki (JOC Elite Academy/Ohara Gakuen) ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Posted By: VladCeller
Date Posted: 02/28/2019 at 7:00am
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Tomorrow seeding ....Male and female eights ...Knockout .... On March 2, the fifth participants of the Japanese team at ITTF WTTC - 2019 will be determined...
March 3 formally played 1 - 5 places .... In WTTC - 2017, Ishikawa, Hirano, Ito, Sato and Kato Miyu played women's singles ...Hayata played only in WD ..... How will this year, we learn the day after tomorrow .....  |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 02/28/2019 at 11:39am
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Updated post with new trailer. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: KiwiPong
Date Posted: 03/01/2019 at 12:07am
| I’m excited to watch these, thanks for sharing! |
Posted By: VladCeller
Date Posted: 03/01/2019 at 2:47am
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Posted By: Fixpoint
Date Posted: 03/01/2019 at 5:30am
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Live streaming on March 2 from 10:30 am Japan time. https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/2019/senkoukai/" rel="nofollow - https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/2019/senkoukai/
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/01/2019 at 8:02am
Wow, all 4 tables streamed! ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Fixpoint wrote:Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/01/2019 at 12:07pm
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Bumping with the final trailer. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/01/2019 at 12:08pm
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unwatchable in Belgium :((( ------------- accoustic carbon inner,fastarc G1 max, feint soft 1,5mm |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/01/2019 at 12:24pm
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Draw Ceremony 【Draw】 <Men's> Yuya Oshima vs Masaki Yoshida Taimu Arinobu vs Matsudaira Kenji Uda Yukiya vs. Shunsuke Togami Masataka Morizono vs Yuki Hirano <Women's> Saki Shibata vs Miyu Nagasaki Asaka Sasao vs Sakura Mori Miyu Kato vs Minami Ando Miyuu Kihara vs Hina Hayata ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: KiwiPong
Date Posted: 03/02/2019 at 1:48am
 can’t watch in the US.... stupid restriction.....
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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/02/2019 at 1:49am
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Hayata...gone, no WTTC for her, beaten by Kato: Kato-Mori in final and on the men side: Yoshida-Morizono. The poor Hayata, very much in good shape for months..... ------------- accoustic carbon inner,fastarc G1 max, feint soft 1,5mm |
Posted By: Ieyasu
Date Posted: 03/02/2019 at 1:52am
I was surprised to see Hayata miss so many of Kato's serves.
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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/02/2019 at 1:57am
Yes, the Japanese fédération took a huge risk, giving their wild card to Sato. Hayata had to win from dangerous opponents and maybe who play with her for many years. Maybe Kato is Hayata's pet peeve, I don't know. What I'm sure is: Kato, Mori, Sato will never be able to defeat a Chinese top player... ------------- accoustic carbon inner,fastarc G1 max, feint soft 1,5mm |
Posted By: VladCeller
Date Posted: 03/02/2019 at 3:24am
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When selecting for the WTTC - 2017, Hayata also lost to Kato 1: 4 ... Very pity....Kato is a very good fighter ... But the Chinese are also good fighters ..One will to win at Kato may not be enough against the Chinese ... I believe that Li Sun and LGL are very pleased with this unexpected gift ....One concern at WTTC less .... Although Hayata apparently will still play WD .....
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Posted By: pipboy76
Date Posted: 03/02/2019 at 3:41am
| It sure is a shame. I really had high expecations of Hayata to deliver. |
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/02/2019 at 4:03am
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Hayata led 10-5 in the decider...... ------------- accoustic carbon inner,fastarc G1 max, feint soft 1,5mm |
Posted By: VladCeller
Date Posted: 03/02/2019 at 10:43am
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Very sorry....  Participation in the WTTC Hungarian (WS) would probably help Hayata to get out of the rating pit .... Otherwise, it will fall to 40-50 places by autumn ...
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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 03/03/2019 at 10:39am
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Hitomi Sato is a fine player, but to be honest her high ranking is due to her playing well at a bunch of ITTF Challenge tournaments back in 2017 where there were no Chinese players. The top Chinese don't have any problem against her. Hina Hayata is fast improving (especially on the backhand) and has gained mental toughness. She deserves to be in the WTTC and has a better chance at upsetting one of the top Chinese in my opinion.
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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 03/03/2019 at 10:44am
What is the point here? Hayata lost the qualification match to advance. Not everything is about beating CNT. And if she does not grasp the chance to play in WTTC, she does not deserve it. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 03/03/2019 at 10:50am
Yes, for Japan everything is about beating the CNT. With Hina Hayata beating LSW and winning the Portugal Open, she was really on a roll and brimming with confidence. If you're Japan, you want that going into the WTTC. Hitomi Sato should have had to play Japan Top 12 as I don't think she's really done anything to deserve a bye so to speak. Just my opinion.
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Posted By: VladCeller
Date Posted: 03/03/2019 at 11:12am
Agreed....
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Posted By: VladCeller
Date Posted: 03/03/2019 at 11:18am
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https://www.facebook.com/1760511517525306/videos/822064901479830/" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/1760511517525306/videos/822064901479830/ Hina Hayata interview after losing Kato ... (Many thanks Zeio for the translation!) (For Kato's well-executed attacks,) I contemplated too much, causing the tactics to fail. I have not had a good solution to her countermeasures against me!
...My receive was completely shut by her serve today. I could not find a good solution. In terms of mental toughness, I was more vulnerable than my opponent. ...Not able to participate in the WTTC means I cannot earn more points, the Tokyo Olympics is getting farther and farther away from me. In the future, I can only defeat more Chinese players in the World Tour and earn more points (to improve the world ranking.) |
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/03/2019 at 12:07pm
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Ishikawa won :)) being able to beat some Chinese does not make a Queen in its own country.... that’s what Ito must think:))
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Posted By: VladCeller
Date Posted: 03/03/2019 at 12:11pm
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Two hat tricks in a row in ALL JAPAN say something too ...
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/09/2019 at 12:46pm
The JTTA has announced the final lineups for WTTC.
◎ World Championship (Individual) Budapest Tournament · Member of Japan <Men's singles> Tomokazu Harimoto (JOC Elite Academy) Koki Niwa (Svensson) Jun Mizutani (Kinoshita group) Kazuhiro Yoshimura (Aichi Institute of Technology) Masataka Morizono (Okayama Rivets) <Women's singles> Kasumi Ishikawa (Zennoh) Mima Ito (Starts SC) Miu Hirano (Nippon Life) Hitomi Sato (Miki House) Miyu Kato (Nippon Paint Holdings) <Men's doubles> Masataka Morizono / Yuya Oshima (Okayama Rivets / Kinoshita group) Tomokazu Harimoto / Yuto Kizukuri (JOC Elite Academy / Aichi Institute of Technology) <Women's doubles> Mima Ito / Hina Hayata (Starts SC / Nippon Life) Hitomi Sato / Honoka Hashimoto (Miki House) <Mixed doubles> Masataka Morizono / Mima Ito (Okayama Rivets / Starts SC) Tomokazu Harimoto/ Kasumi Ishikawa (JOC Elite Academy / Zennoh) ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/09/2019 at 12:51pm
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Original post updated with another funny trailer. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: VladCeller
Date Posted: 03/09/2019 at 12:55pm
| Great thank you ! |
Posted By: pipboy76
Date Posted: 03/09/2019 at 1:59pm
| Not a good idea to have Harimoto play all 3 categories. Might affect his performance in the singles which is the most important for him to perform imo. Also, why did they choose Harimoto with Ishikawa for XD? Especially since she and Yoshimura are the defending champions? |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/11/2019 at 1:14pm
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http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=85312&PID=1056805&title=japan-top-12-and-wttc-2019-trial-3-23#1056805" rel="nofollow - Post updated with another 4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunibyo" rel="nofollow - chuni cut-ins. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: KiwiPong
Date Posted: 03/11/2019 at 1:30pm
| Any video links? |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/13/2019 at 1:39pm
Close to 1.5 million households in Kanto region alone(7.9%) tuned into the Japan Top 12 this year. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/17/2019 at 2:28pm
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Better late than never. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: KiwiPong
Date Posted: 03/17/2019 at 2:36pm
| Thank you for the video link! |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 03/17/2019 at 3:56pm
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I was convinced TH had the best bh in the world, I don't see why his fh would not become the best in the world as well, he puts so much into it, some have theorized a danger of injury for the lower back but it seems the legs are mostly responsible and the torso does not travel much past the hips axis so I want to believe he is as safe as he can be and his fh is totally under control to utterly dominate until retirement. This guy is so phenomenal. ------------- forum_posts.asp?TID=82031" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback HTTP://ROSSLEIDY.COM" rel="nofollow - Treat Yourself |
Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 03/17/2019 at 6:07pm
| who is the grandpa with glasses? |
Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 03/17/2019 at 6:48pm
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if his forehand will become the best in the world, he has to give it more than due attention and effort and long long hours like the Chinese players and well as typical of the Chinese play get a little decrepit in his backhand ------------- How many eyes have seen their dreams |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/17/2019 at 11:28pm
He's the teacher at the school where Fukuhara and Fujii attended. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/18/2019 at 7:49am
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An article by Nikkan-Gendai on Ishikawa's response to the voice of "change of generation." In the article the author quotes Ishikawa's H2H against China from the site Takkyu-Navi(which counts the wins in doubles) and compares them with Ito and Hirano. https://www.nikkan-gendai.com/articles/view/sports/248688" rel="nofollow - https://www.nikkan-gendai.com/articles/view/sports/248688
"I think I can grow only because I have rivals, and I don't think age has anything to do with the outcome when it comes to playing. Table tennis is a sport where tactics will greatly affect the match. (The growth of youngsters) is stimulating. I'm thankful that there is a sense of angst and crisis." "I want to do my best for the Tokyo Olympics again by resetting my age and past performance." Here's what the Japanese netizens have to say on Yahoo. The article was picked up by the http://sports.sina.com.cn/others/pingpang/2019-03-04/doc-ihsxncvf9690709.shtml" rel="nofollow - Chinese media . The responses https://bbs.hupu.com/25871727.html" rel="nofollow - in China and https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1551699659.A.B02.html" rel="nofollow - Taiwan are largely in line with those below. https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/cm/main?d=20190304-00000007-nkgendai-spo" rel="nofollow - https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/cm/main?d=20190304-00000007-nkgendai-spo
Given the top 2 players in the WR as of January, 2020 will be automatically selected as the Olympic representative, Ishikawa will be almost certain to be a representative, considering she'll be able to beat anyone other than China. Though I really want Hirano, Ito and Hayata to represent. Hayata proves she could compete against China even in singles by beating Liu. I think in terms of doubles with Ito, Hayata will probably be chosen as the 3rd member. And personally, I'd like to bet on Hirano taking into account their growth in the remaining 1.5 years. If the goal is medal in Tokyo, then Ishikawa is a good choice, but if the goal is gold in Tokyo, then I want Hirano.
Here are some bits of Ishikawa's matches against China. The 1 win against DN and LSW is in doubles. 0 wins in singles. The 1 win against ZYL is from 5, 6 years ago when she was still a junior. Needless to say, 0 wins against CM and WMY. This is why Ishikawa cannot beat China. Both Ito and Hirano have won in singles. That is a huge difference.
Ishikawa who demonstrates unmatched strength other than China. This makes it even more difficult to select from the point of view of gold medals. In a nutshell, the best team member to win a silver medal.
No need to worry about the passing of a generation by the public! Things like the passing of a generation will be fine if you beat the opponent, and if you keep losing, you will resign yourself. Even the Olympics trial should be done in a form that looks neat.
I would like for Ishikawa to go on another happy path[.] You've already played enough TT[.] What do you get by beating Ito? Give way to juniors like Ito and just retire! With your good looks and youth, you can marry as many rich young men as possible and spend the rest of your happy lives[.] [Something about life with TT alone?] I want you not to disturb young people[.] That's what you can do most now
Is low-age limited to Japan? Ishikawa is just 26. It's better not to mention age until at least 30 years old. [TL's note: I say she's already 26. Tokyo 2020 could very well be her last Olympics.]
Whatever the case, I want you to defeat as many Chinese players as possible Then no one will complain [TL's note: Not just any, but the top...]
[Something about evolving, getting stimulated and winning] Losing too much to Chinese players is too bad an image of Japanese players Mima, Hina, Miu and [Nagasaki] Miyu will be sufficient However, the experience of Ishikawa as a veteran is indispensable
Rather than "match-up", it's "the difference in ability" and "the difference in equipment". Because China mostly uses tacky rubber with a large amount of rotation, it is difficult to cope with, and you lose when you hit normally. China cannot be defeated unless the booster issue is resolved. [TL's note: Both Ishikawa and Hayata use BS "National" H3...]
It's best to avoid quoting data from Takkyu-Navi because they're wrong.
It's only natural for you to be criticized for you cannot defeat the top Chinese players, despite ranking 3rd or 4th. Not only DN, LSW, and ZYL. But also youngsters as CM, WMY, HZJ, CXT et al. who have grown remarkably. Cannot aim for gold medal.
Kasumin, please defeat the Chinese players this time. Else, have the resolve to retire from the national team ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/18/2019 at 12:15pm
He would need to quit competition to train FH and that s something you cant do in months I see a lot of europeans junior with better FH than TH
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 03/18/2019 at 12:36pm
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Hi, Speaking of forehands: Ishikawa's is beautiful! Thanks, ------------- Donn F = ma The most useful physical law every devised. |