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Topic: 2019 WTTC: April 21-28, 2019. Budapest, HUN.
Posted By: skip3119
Subject: 2019 WTTC: April 21-28, 2019. Budapest, HUN.
Date Posted: 03/07/2019 at 8:37am
Previous winners:

Men’s Singles [Holder: MA Long - CHN] 
Women’s Singles [Holder: DING Ning - CHN] 
Men’s Doubles [Holders: FAN Zhendong / XU Xin - CHN] 
Women’s Doubles [Holders: DING Ning / LIU Shiwen - CHN] 
Mixed Doubles [Holders: YOSHIMURA Maharu / ISHIKAWA Kasumi - JPN]
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Who are likely to win this time?



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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 03/07/2019 at 8:45am
Fan Zhendong and Chen Meng will play for China. 
Who are other players likely to play for China?

Who are likely players of other countries?

Harimoto Tomokazu, Ito Mima, Hina Hayata, Sun Yingsha, Adriana Diaz, Hugo Calderano, Lin Yun-Ju, Moregard Truls and Liam Pitchford are interesting players to watch. (Just added Liam Pitchford.)

Will Ma Long play in this year's WTTC?  Reportedly, his injuries are very serious.



Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/07/2019 at 9:12am
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Fan Zhendong and Chen Meng will play for China. 
Who are other players likely to play for China?

Who are likely players of other countries?

Harimoto Tomokazu, Ito Mima, Hina Hayata, Sun Yingsha, Adriana Diaz, Hugo Calderano, Lin Yun-Ju and Moregard Truls are interesting players to watch.

Will Ma Long play in this year's WTTC?  Reportedly, his injuries are very serious.


I Doubt diaz will do any harm you missed pitchford


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 03/07/2019 at 9:18am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Fan Zhendong and Chen Meng will play for China. 
Who are other players likely to play for China?
Who are likely players of other countries?
Harimoto Tomokazu, Ito Mima, Hina Hayata, Sun Yingsha, Adriana Diaz, Hugo Calderano, Lin Yun-Ju and Moregard Truls are interesting players to watch.
Will Ma Long play in this year's WTTC?  Reportedly, his injuries are very serious.
I Doubt diaz will do any harm you missed pitchford
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+100.

You are absolutely right, Liam Pitchford is also an interesting player to watch.
I am going to add him to the list, shortly.


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/07/2019 at 10:06am
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Fan Zhendong and Chen Meng will play for China. 
Who are other players likely to play for China?

Who are likely players of other countries?

Harimoto Tomokazu, Ito Mima, Hina Hayata, Sun Yingsha, Adriana Diaz, Hugo Calderano, Lin Yun-Ju, Moregard Truls and Liam Pitchford are interesting players to watch. (Just added Liam Pitchford.)

Will Ma Long play in this year's WTTC?  Reportedly, his injuries are very serious.


He is registered for Qatar Open so he is likely to play.


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 03/07/2019 at 4:14pm
My guess is that ML will withdraw sometime maybe before or in the middle of the event. 

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 03/07/2019 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

My guess is that ML will withdraw sometime maybe before or in the middle of the event. 
I want to believe he is healed but uses his high profile to keep the pressure high re. his wttc appearance, he is a superstar maybe on the decline so all tricks to confuse opponents are good to use.

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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 03/07/2019 at 4:50pm
Haven't seen Ma Long playing on the world stage for a long time.
Don't know if he will show up in Qatar Open and/or WTTC.

From zeio posted video, it seems to me that CNT concentrates to heal Ma Long's injuries rather than active practice and training to prepare him for the competition.


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 03/07/2019 at 5:48pm
I just searched and found zeio's post:

https://youtu.be/6QO5qIv-OIc" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/6QO5qIv-OIc


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/07/2019 at 6:01pm
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?20094-Marvellous-12-2019&p=263859&viewfull=1#post263859

In the press conference, Qin Zhijian gave a summary of the Marvelous 12 2019.


https://sports.qq.com/a/20190304/000008.htm" rel="nofollow - https://sports.qq.com/a/20190304/000008.htm

First of all, he praised Fan Zhendong. "Before the game, the target set for Fan Zhendong was very demanding. He didn't have to take the title, but he was required to remain undefeated. Because all it takes to win the WTTC is a 7-match winning streak, the demand is not harsh if you meet it. Fan Zhendong has such ability, talent, dream and pursuit."
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Xu Xin and Lin Gaoyuan both performed so-so in this competition. Qin Zhijian also gave his analysis on the reasons. "Xu Xin has it more difficult as a penholder in the team. His characteristics are also the use of his own super-strong entanglement ability to score for the team in international competitions. The trial is an internal competition, and internal competition is still training, mainly to get them to close ranks."

For Lin Gaoyuan, Qin Zhijian believes that there is still a problem in the mentality. "A few days ago, Lin appeared a little lost. I had some words with him. I think the target set before the trial was a bit high. After all, he got a direct entry in his hometown 2 years ago. He has worked hard in the past 2 years, has climbed to No. 3 in world ranking and has been improving."

"So before the trial, the target and positioning might be somewhat high. His goal was finishing in the top 2, but in fact his overall ability is still a bit thin. Besides, his teammates think differently of him as opposed to 2 years ago. Thinking he is 3rd in the world, they will go all out. Given the contrast in mentalities, the whole rhythm, the prematch preparation and the use of tactics will cause a negative effect. Through the trial, each member would find the problems and then solve them during closed training.”
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Regarding the quality of the competition, he said: "From the perspective of the men's team, the quality of the competition is still very high. From the 1st place, the undefeated Fan Zhendong, to the tiebreaker from the 4th place to 9th place, the difference is minimal. 29 matches ended in 3-2, a probability of 40%. This also indicates the degree of intensity, and the gap in level is not huge."

As for the huge round-robin format, Qin Zhijian also said that this is the intention of the coaching staff. "In every huge round-robin, regardless of the men's and women's teams, the players are very torn. Everyone is close in level, and such a high amount of exertion and confrontation. Not only does it hone your skills, but also you as a human being. When they hear the phrase huge round-robin, it sounds like a nightmare. The coaching staff also hopes, through a brutal format and fair competition, to mobilize their fighting spirit, passion and all-round ability, so that they can enter the closed training before a major tournament at an excellent pace."

The remaining spots will be announced later. "The announcement will probably be from early March to mid-March...We've actually released the whole plan of our preparations, which is divided into several parts. The Panel will come up with suggestions and opinions to be studied at the meeting and rationally arrange our doubles, mixed doubles and singles spots. Our ultimate goal is the Tokyo Olympics!" said Qin Zhijian.
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This trial lacked Ma Long and Zhang Jike. Qin Zhijian said: "Ma Long has also come, he has been doing some rehabilitation. He is making good progress in recovery, judging from the past 2 days. We signed him up for the Qatar Open and hope that he could play in Qatar."

"Zhang Jike hasn't have much training recently. He told us he would pass on this qualification. He originally planned to come to Shenzhen to help with the promotion. I believe that so long as he has the desire to play and the motivation and courage to stand in the arena, the CNT still very much welcomes him."
Last edited by zeio; 3 Days Ago at 04:17 PM.


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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 5:09am
https://www.ittf.com/2019/03/08/china-confirm-players-liebherr-2019-ittf-world-table-tennis-championships/" rel="nofollow - China's confirmed players

Men’s Singles: MA Long, FAN Zhendong, XU Xin, LIN Gaoyuan, LIANG Jingkun
Men’s Doubles: MA Long/ WANG Chuqin, LIANG Jingkun/ LIN Gaoyuan
Women’s Singles: DING Ning, LIU Shiwen, CHEN Meng, WANG Manyu, SUN Yingsha
Women’s Doubles: CHEN Meng/ ZHU Yuling, WANG Manyu/ SUN Yingsha
Mixed Doubles: XU Xin/ LIU Shiwen, FAN Zhendong/ DING Ning

Sun Yingsha plays Women's singles instead of ZYL.  Just speculation, but I wonder if the selection committee figured that SYS would have a better chance if she were to meet Mima Ito compared with ZYL.  It was embarrassing what happened last time ZYL played Mima Ito.  


Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 7:00am
I kinda guessed that Sun Yingsha would play in doubles but I anticipated that that'll be all for her, I thought even though her usual partner Chen Xingtong is taking no part in the tourney, They'll hitch her up with someone to fulfill her place in the tourney, but I'm just utterly surprised that Shasha is playing Singles and shocked thatZHU YULING of all players is taking the fall for her, I know CNT cares very little about world rankings but I honestly see no point in this move, Giving Zhu a place apart from considering her standing as one of the best players and also her world ranking is very important for the team to secure a possible all Chinese semis or final, And shasha's ranking is too low, she'll probably meet one of her teammates early in the tournament and one of both is knocked out. If Wang Manyu wasn't given a singles spot, I'll understand that it was her fault, when she needed to play her best she didn't, but xiao Zhu????!!!_ I bet she must be really sad but it'll be the usual "I'll put my country forward before me'.
I don't see the endgame the CNT is playing for, well I'm very poor at chess 


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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 7:31am
Makes perfect sense to me.  The CNT has a healthy amount of respect for Mima Ito.  She's the only non-Chinese capable of beating any one of them so simply put forth your best match ups against her.  Go Mima Ito!!!!


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 7:51am
I believed that CNT would drop either lsw or zyl for this wttc. I am a little surprised that they picked zyl as well. 

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 8:23am
Well LSW has a good excuse for her loss of form.  What is Zhu Yuling's?

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Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 8:28am
We can gain a pretty good knowledge about the inner workings of the CNT through interviews, videos but whatever is not on video we can only insinuate or guess, and many a time guess wrong because it's hard to understand many of the decisions the CNT make like Yuling's omission from the singles list. I feel like if the CNT's selections are about who's fared better against Ito, then it's a very insecure, myopic and flawed reasoning, Zhu had beaten Ito in all their meetings prior to Sweden 2018, Okay She lost 0-4 horribly but this doesn't mean Zhu can't beat Mima the next time they meet(or vice versa), That same tournament Ito defeated Ning and Shiwen, If we look head to head Ding has lost twice to her, Liu has also lost twice, Manyu lost one and had two close shaves, Yingsha met her last year Qatar I think, and she won 4-3- very close with very little margins and can't be used to decide that Yingsha has an edge over the giant killer, Chen Meng is still undefeated which may be because they've not met for a long time I think, So basically red hot Ito can smash Anyone on the team, then the job of the CNT is to take Hirano's approach and prepare the team to be able to beat her( which worked against Hirano- though Ito is a different beast), rather than look for players who played better against her in their last meeting (which is in the past and means nothing), Cos if Ito is in form like everyone in the world wants to see, then the CNT's plan is just an honourable death because losing 0-4, 1-4, 2-4 or 3-4 doesn't matter cos a loss is a loss, and if especially Ito wins the WTTC, then the world would say she CRUSHED the Chinese, and the pressure on the team going into the Olympics would be unbearable for them. People just condemn Zhu like she'll eternally be Mima's punching bag or something, Shasha may beat Zhu in internal trials but technically, experience wise, and at the big stage Zhu is still a better player even better than Wang Manyu still, CNT's plan is not more of trying to win, they're weakening the team and trying to save face in case they lose 

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 8:36am
Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

We can gain a pretty good knowledge about the inner workings of the CNT through interviews, videos but whatever is not on video we can only insinuate or guess, and many a time guess wrong because it's hard to understand many of the decisions the CNT make like Yuling's omission from the singles list. I feel like if the CNT's selections are about who's fared better against Ito, then it's a very insecure, myopic and flawed reasoning, Zhu had beaten Ito in all their meetings prior to Sweden 2018, Okay She lost 0-4 horribly but this doesn't mean Zhu can't beat Mima the next time they meet(or vice versa), That same tournament Ito defeated Ning and Shiwen, If we look head to head Ding has lost twice to her, Liu has also lost twice, Manyu lost one and had two close shaves, Yingsha met her last year Qatar I think, and she won 4-3- very close with very little margins and can't be used to decide that Yingsha has an edge over the giant killer, Chen Meng is still undefeated which may be because they've not met for a long time I think, So basically red hot Ito can smash Anyone on the team, then the job of the CNT is to take Hirano's approach and prepare the team to be able to beat her( which worked against Hirano- though Ito is a different beast), rather than look for players who played better against her in their last meeting (which is in the past and means nothing), Cos if Ito is in form like everyone in the world wants to see, then the CNT's plan is just an honourable death because losing 0-4, 1-4, 2-4 or 3-4 doesn't matter cos a loss is a loss, and if especially Ito wins the WTTC, then the world would say she CRUSHED the Chinese, and the pressure on the team going into the Olympics would be unbearable for them. People just condemn Zhu like she'll eternally be Mima's punching bag or something, Shasha may beat Zhu in internal trials but technically, experience wise, and at the big stage Zhu is still a better player even better than Wang Manyu still, CNT's plan is not more of trying to win, they're weakening the team and trying to save face in case they lose 

Its not about Ito.  It's clear that SYS going 15-0 in the first round and 8-3 in the second with close losses to CM, WMY and Wang Yidi had something to do with it.  The real issue is who to pick between LSW and ZYL and why?


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 8:37am
ZYL did not just lose to Ito, she lost like a helpless child. And she argued with her coach.

ZYL did not do well in the Marvelous 12 either. LSW did not do that well, but she still ranked 5th in the Marvelous 12.  And LSW is in the middle of technique transition. 


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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 8:39am
unfair for ZYL who only messed once in 2 years....

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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 8:39am
CNT still hopes that LSW will perform in the 2020 Olympics. With this pick, ZYL is out for sure.

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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 8:51am
LSW had her chances in the past but she did’nt manged to win a major title, also Because of DN’s comedy talent...now, I think she is done, less reactive, mentally fragile...I think she is simply still in the team like Ma Lin was in the team the last year he played...respect for the « oldies »....

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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 8:53am
CNT also needs LSW to play mixed in the Olympics.

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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 9:13am
Even if ZYL lost to Mima Ito 1-4 but played in the same helpless manner, it still wouldn't matter.  She may even be the best vs. all other non-Chinese, but she has not solved the problem (at least not yet) of how to deal with Mima Ito.  And the WTTC is coming up too soon.  Her style of probing and counter punching works well against just about anyone else, but Mima Ito (when she's at the top of her game) just doesn't give you time.


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 9:29am
Well, if Ito Mima is the only concern, I would say CNT is a little bit paranoid because:

-Ito Mima will perhaps lose from a non CNT player...Taiwanese, Hong Kong, Japan.....it would not be a surprise.
-They don't know on which side of the table Ito will be and on which side ZYL would have been.
-they don't trust the 4 other CNT players being able to defeat Ito
-They forget DN and LSW also lost from Ito and...from others.


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 9:29am
The other thing is that we really don't know what is going on with all these players.  The coaches deal with them far more often.

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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 10:53am
True, everything we know is speculation.  But speculation on online chat forums is fun, right :) ?  I think it's fair to see how well the players would do vs. Mima Ito played a big part of the decision.  After all, it's no coincidence the CNT invited the top 2 pips players into the Marvelous 12 tournament.  It is a pity as ZYL is a fantastic player as are they all, but I think they've made the right decision between ZYL and LSW.  


Posted By: VladCeller
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 11:14am
The best players and coaches of China are thrown against the little Mima ITO .....Embarrassed




Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 11:16am
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

True, everything we know is speculation.  But speculation on online chat forums is fun, right :) ?  I think it's fair to see how well the players would do vs. Mima Ito played a big part of the decision.  After all, it's no coincidence the CNT invited the top 2 pips players into the Marvelous 12 tournament.  It is a pity as ZYL is a fantastic player as are they all, but I think they've made the right decision between ZYL and LSW.  

Agreed.  I don't think Ito is the only factor.  I think there might have been other internal considerations.  Liu Shiwen and Ding Ning are going to retire soon.  This is a better way of expanding the team quickly than waiting till 2021.  And I still think 15-0 and 8-3 had a lot to do with it.  It will also be good if someone has a breakdown of which coaches work with which players to see how many coaches have players that are going.


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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/08/2019 at 1:14pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

It will also be good if someone has a breakdown of which coaches work with which players to see how many coaches have players that are going.

http://mytabletennis.net/FORUM/forum_posts.asp?TID=85288&PID=1057684&title=cnt-coaches-roster-2019-performance-appraisal#1057684" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/FORUM/forum_posts.asp?TID=85288&PID=1057684&title=cnt-coaches-roster-2019-performance-appraisal#1057684

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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 03/09/2019 at 7:47am
Ma Long entered Qatar Open, Asian Cup and WTTC.
Just wait and see which event(s) he will play.
All of them?  Some of them? or None of them?

He lacks practice/training (due to injuries.)


Posted By: FruitLoop
Date Posted: 03/09/2019 at 9:15am
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

LSW had her chances in the past but she did’nt manged to win a major title, also Because of DN’s comedy talent...now, I think she is done, less reactive, mentally fragile...I think she is simply still in the team like Ma Lin was in the team the last year he played...respect for the « oldies »....

Ding Ning world number one, defending champion and second place in Marvellous 12 was picked for respect for the oldies?? I've heard it all now.

Imagine a world number 2 not being selected. Merciless. ITTF obviously don't want more Chinese dominance but for China to leave out someone who would be the number one best player by far on any other nation on earth is kind of insane.


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/09/2019 at 9:48am
Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

LSW had her chances in the past but she did’nt manged to win a major title, also Because of DN’s comedy talent...now, I think she is done, less reactive, mentally fragile...I think she is simply still in the team like Ma Lin was in the team the last year he played...respect for the « oldies »....

Ding Ning world number one, defending champion and second place in Marvellous 12 was picked for respect for the oldies?? I've heard it all now.

Imagine a world number 2 not being selected. Merciless. ITTF obviously don't want more Chinese dominance but for China to leave out someone who would be the number one best player by far on any other nation on earth is kind of insane.

Who is talking about DN selction??? It is only about LSW and ZYL....

I only mentioned DN because she stole the title LSW should have won....
At the end LSW will retire without major titles in hand...

And...I can imagine a world number 2 not being selected since....Zhu Yuling is...N°2 :))

To me, it is scandalous and not deserved for ZYL regarding her work and results in the last 2 years. She is the most regular one.

I mentioned Ma Lin because he messed lots of times before his last WTTC , losing from Robinot, Lenquist, average Japanese players...but they took him because  ??? Maybe because he had never won the WTTC, or because it was his last year ??? At the end he lost in the last 32 without glory....


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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/09/2019 at 10:13am
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

LSW had her chances in the past but she did’nt manged to win a major title, also Because of DN’s comedy talent...now, I think she is done, less reactive, mentally fragile...I think she is simply still in the team like Ma Lin was in the team the last year he played...respect for the « oldies »....

Ding Ning world number one, defending champion and second place in Marvellous 12 was picked for respect for the oldies?? I've heard it all now.

Imagine a world number 2 not being selected. Merciless. ITTF obviously don't want more Chinese dominance but for China to leave out someone who would be the number one best player by far on any other nation on earth is kind of insane.

Who is talking about DN selction??? It is only about LSW and ZYL....

I only mentioned DN because she stole the title LSW should have won....
At the end LSW will retire without major titles in hand...

And...I can imagine a world number 2 not being selected since....Zhu Yuling is...N°2 :))

To me, it is scandalous and not deserved for ZYL regarding her work and results in the last 2 years. She is the most regular one.

I mentioned Ma Lin because he messed lots of times before his last WTTC , losing from Robinot, Lenquist, average Japanese players...but they took him because  ??? Maybe because he had never won the WTTC, or because it was his last year ??? At the end he lost in the last 32 without glory....
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 03/09/2019 at 9:09pm
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

LSW had her chances in the past but she did’nt manged to win a major title, also Because of DN’s comedy talent...now, I think she is done, less reactive, mentally fragile...I think she is simply still in the team like Ma Lin was in the team the last year he played...respect for the « oldies »....

Ding Ning world number one, defending champion and second place in Marvellous 12 was picked for respect for the oldies?? I've heard it all now.

Imagine a world number 2 not being selected. Merciless. ITTF obviously don't want more Chinese dominance but for China to leave out someone who would be the number one best player by far on any other nation on earth is kind of insane.

Who is talking about DN selction??? It is only about LSW and ZYL....

I only mentioned DN because she stole the title LSW should have won....
At the end LSW will retire without major titles in hand...

And...I can imagine a world number 2 not being selected since....Zhu Yuling is...N°2 :))

To me, it is scandalous and not deserved for ZYL regarding her work and results in the last 2 years. She is the most regular one.

I mentioned Ma Lin because he messed lots of times before his last WTTC , losing from Robinot, Lenquist, average Japanese players...but they took him because  ??? Maybe because he had never won the WTTC, or because it was his last year ??? At the end he lost in the last 32 without glory....
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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/10/2019 at 11:48am
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

LSW had her chances in the past but she did’nt manged to win a major title, also Because of DN’s comedy talent...now, I think she is done, less reactive, mentally fragile...I think she is simply still in the team like Ma Lin was in the team the last year he played...respect for the « oldies »....

Ding Ning world number one, defending champion and second place in Marvellous 12 was picked for respect for the oldies?? I've heard it all now.

Imagine a world number 2 not being selected. Merciless. ITTF obviously don't want more Chinese dominance but for China to leave out someone who would be the number one best player by far on any other nation on earth is kind of insane.

Who is talking about DN selction??? It is only about LSW and ZYL....

I only mentioned DN because she stole the title LSW should have won....
At the end LSW will retire without major titles in hand...

And...I can imagine a world number 2 not being selected since....Zhu Yuling is...N°2 :))

To me, it is scandalous and not deserved for ZYL regarding her work and results in the last 2 years. She is the most regular one.

I mentioned Ma Lin because he messed lots of times before his last WTTC , losing from Robinot, Lenquist, average Japanese players...but they took him because  ??? Maybe because he had never won the WTTC, or because it was his last year ??? At the end he lost in the last 32 without glory....
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He can explain the science of choking on his own


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/10/2019 at 12:25pm
Can you develop what you mean ??? I don’t understand your argumentation .

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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/10/2019 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Can you develop what you mean ??? I don’t understand your argumentation .

Since ma lin has lost many important matches because he choked he must know  to cope that feeling
Choke: when you suddenly run out of gas and stop playing your game , your mind goes blank


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 03/11/2019 at 2:52am
thanks :))

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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 04/15/2019 at 1:17pm
About time to re-visit this post again.

WTTC starts next week. Draws will be out this Saturday.


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Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 04/15/2019 at 5:40pm
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Posted By: Tommy16
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 1:32pm
Hi,
This might be a silly question but does anyone know why Germany has only 3 players in mens single while for example Japan has 5?


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Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 1:37pm
Max 5 per gender entries it's in the prospectus

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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by Tommy16 Tommy16 wrote:

Hi,
This might be a silly question but does anyone know why Germany has only 3 players in mens single while for example Japan has 5?

Your association gets extra slot 1 if you have a player within WR100, and extra slot 2 if you have another player within WR20.

https://www.tischtennis.de/news/individual-wm-2019-spielsystem-tv-zeiten-gegner-statistiken.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.tischtennis.de/news/individual-wm-2019-spielsystem-tv-zeiten-gegner-statistiken.html
Men's lineup for Germany:
Timo Boll
Dima Ovtcharov
Patrick Franziska
Dang Qiu
Bastian Steger

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 1:55pm
Originally posted by Tommy16 Tommy16 wrote:

Hi,
This might be a silly question but does anyone know why Germany has only 3 players in mens single while for example Japan has 5?
Germany has 5 you must be missing something. 

Boll, Dima, Franziska, Filus, Walther

Seems like the above is outdated:

https://oes.ittf.com/view/event/entries/e33449f4-4cc0-4383-b6a2-d151aa14e33c/detail" rel="nofollow - https://oes.ittf.com/view/event/entries/e33449f4-4cc0-4383-b6a2-d151aa14e33c/detail


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Posted By: Tommy16
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 1:56pm
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Max 5 per gender entries it's in the prospectus

Thank you Charlie. That’s what I assumed. I’m still wondering why Germany send only 3 players tough.


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by Tommy16 Tommy16 wrote:

Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Max 5 per gender entries it's in the prospectus

Thank you Charlie. That’s what I assumed. I’m still wondering why Germany send only 3 players tough.

Looks like they may be changing their team entries.  When I last checked, it was the tram I had listed but your list Is what shows up now.


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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 2:01pm
Don't trust the info on the ITTF site. Ya, the official site sucks.

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 2:04pm
yeah, Dang Duda and Steger are registered so some will play doubles and others singles.  Maybe Dima and Duda in doubles or something. 

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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by Tommy16 Tommy16 wrote:

Hi,
This might be a silly question but does anyone know why Germany has only 3 players in mens single while for example Japan has 5?
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On men's side, Germany is eligible to send 5 players. But, Germany chooses to send only 3.

Rule (Singles):
Each Association can send 3 players (per gender).
If that association has a player in top 100 - can send one more. (That will make it 4 players.)
If that same association also has a player in top 20 - can send one more. (That will make it 5 players.)
(The hosting country can send one more player.)

Because Timo and Dima, Germany is eligible to send 5. (But they choose to send only 3.)




Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Because Timo and Dima, Germany is eligible to send 5. (But they choose to send only 3.)


The German selection was finalized only yesterday - see tischtennis.de.

Einzel: Timo Boll (Borussia Düsseldorf), Dimitrij Ovtcharov (Fakel Orenburg, Russland), Patrick Franziska (1. FC Saarbrücken TT), Dang Qiu (ASV Grünwettersbach), Bastian Steger (SV Werder Bremen)

Doppel: Timo Boll/Patrick Franziska, Dang Qiu/Bastian Steger

Mixed: Patrick Franziska/Petrissa Solja, Dang Qiu/Nina Mittelham



Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 3:18pm
https://www.ittf.com/2019/04/17/bastian-steger-completes-german-selection/%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.ittf.com/2019/04/17/bastian-steger-completes-german-selection/

Finalized. Seems the prior entries were preliminary. 


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Posted By: Tommy16
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 3:23pm
Thank you guys!I knew that I can count on you:).

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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 10:35pm
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by Tommy16 Tommy16 wrote:

Hi,
This might be a silly question but does anyone know why Germany has only 3 players in mens single while for example Japan has 5?
================

On men's side, Germany is eligible to send 5 players. But, Germany chooses to send only 3.

Rule (Singles):
Each Association can send 3 players (per gender).
If that association has a player in top 100 - can send one more. (That will make it 4 players.)
If that same association also has a player in top 20 - can send one more. (That will make it 5 players.)
(The hosting country can send one more player.)

Because Timo and Dima, Germany is eligible to send 5. (But they choose to send only 3.)



Why filus wont play?  I Doubt dang can beat filus


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 11:02pm
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Why filus wont play?  I Doubt dang can beat filus

Internal qualifying, round 1:  

Dang Qiu – Ruwen Filus 3:2 (11,5,-10,-9,8)


Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 04/18/2019 at 2:42am
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Why filus wont play?  I Doubt dang can beat filus

Internal qualifying, round 1:  

Dang Qiu – Ruwen Filus 3:2 (11,5,-10,-9,8)
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Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 04/18/2019 at 6:41am
this is the link which channels will be broadcasting to what countries: 

https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uplo.../WTTC-Geos.pdf

So if your country is not listed, you can watch it on ittf.com. Or use VPN Clap


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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 12:29pm
Hi,

Among the questions I have that I do hope will be answered at this World's, the number one question for me is this: Can a non-Chinese player beat Harimoto?  I say yes.  Whether they do or not, we will see.  All will be peaking for this event, so there is a quality chance of an answer.  There will be only several chances for this to occur, as the Chinese will be ever creeping through the draw until they come upon our Wonder Boy, but some evidence of his standing within the non-Chinese world will surface.

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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 12:38pm
Certainly he can be beaten by a non-Chinese.  He was twice beaten by Liam Pitchford. He was also beaten by Timo Boll and Mattias Falck.

Pressure changes everything.  I believe this is his first World Championship.  The great Xu Xin had to deal with tremendous pressure at the Rio Olympics where he lost to Jun Mizutani.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 12:46pm
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Certainly he can be beaten by a non-Chinese.  He was twice beaten by Liam Pitchford. He was also beaten by Timo Boll and Mattias Falck.

Pressure changes everything.  I believe this is his first World Championship.  The great Xu Xin had to deal with tremendous pressure at the Rio Olympics where he lost to Jun Mizutani.
th made it to the 1/4 and lost xx in 2017 WTTC, he was 13yo.

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Posted By: Thuro_Wexston
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 12:53pm
It is not good communication skills ( & somewhat insulting) to use acronyms such  ASK, SS , SG, AAA, MB for some Chinese players as if we are all supposed to know that they are some sort of Gods & Godesses .  As far as I am concerned there is only one God RB and one Goddess AR

If you can decode all 7 above correctly,  I promise to leave the forum forever until I return again 
 




Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by Thuro_Wexston Thuro_Wexston wrote:

It is not good communication skills ( & somewhat insulting) to use acronyms such  ASK, SS , SG  for some Chinese players as if we are all supposed to know that they are some sort of Gods & Godesses .  As far as I am concerend there is only one God RB and one Goddess AR
Thuro_Wexston, I am sorry I offended you and I will do my best to fit your communication standards in the future.


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Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by Thuro_Wexston Thuro_Wexston wrote:

It is not good communication skills ( & somewhat insulting) to use acronyms such  ASK, SS , SG, AAA, MB for some Chinese players as if we are all supposed to know that they are some sort of Gods & Godesses .  As far as I am concerned there is only one God RB and one Goddess AR

If you can decode all 7 above correctly,  I promise to leave the forum forever until I return again 
 



I am thinking this is NOT how to make it to platinum. 


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Certainly he can be beaten by a non-Chinese.  He was twice beaten by Liam Pitchford. He was also beaten by Timo Boll and Mattias Falck.

Pressure changes everything.  I believe this is his first World Championship.  The great Xu Xin had to deal with tremendous pressure at the Rio Olympics where he lost to Jun Mizutani.
th made it to the 1/4 and lost xx in 2017 WTTC, he was 13yo.
You're right!  That's just amazing for a 13 year old to make it to the quarterfinals of the WTTC!


Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 2:03pm
May I assume the draws will be posted here?  https://oes.ittf.com/view/event/entries/e33449f4-4cc0-4383-b6a2-d151aa14e33c/detail" rel="nofollow - https://oes.ittf.com/view/event/entries/e33449f4-4cc0-4383-b6a2-d151aa14e33c/detail
As of now, it reads "There aren't any entries right now" which I've interpreted as "the draws haven't been made right now." According to the WTTC site (my interpretation), everything but the top 16 in singles should be drawn by now.


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Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 2:37pm
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Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 2:41pm
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Posted By: Thuro_Wexston
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Originally posted by Thuro_Wexston Thuro_Wexston wrote:

It is not good communication skills ( & somewhat insulting) to use acronyms such  ASK, SS , SG, AAA, MB for some Chinese players as if we are all supposed to know that they are some sort of Gods & Godesses .  As far as I am concerned there is only one God RB and one Goddess AR

If you can decode all 7 above correctly,  I promise to leave the forum forever until I return again 
 



I am thinking this is NOT how to make it to platinum. 

Trouble decoding names eh Mr.Van Jr  ?
Now you know how I feel  when these people use acronyms




Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Certainly he can be beaten by a non-Chinese.  He was twice beaten by Liam Pitchford. He was also beaten by Timo Boll and Mattias Falck.

Pressure changes everything.  I believe this is his first World Championship.  The great Xu Xin had to deal with tremendous pressure at the Rio Olympics where he lost to Jun Mizutani.
th made it to the 1/4 and lost xx in 2017 WTTC, he was 13yo.
You're right!  That's just amazing for a 13 year old to make it to the quarterfinals of the WTTC!

The amount of.players that has defeated TH now is bigger than 2 years ago


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

May I assume the draws will be posted here?  https://oes.ittf.com/view/event/entries/e33449f4-4cc0-4383-b6a2-d151aa14e33c/detail" rel="nofollow - https://oes.ittf.com/view/event/entries/e33449f4-4cc0-4383-b6a2-d151aa14e33c/detail
As of now, it reads "There aren't any entries right now" which I've interpreted as "the draws haven't been made right now." According to the WTTC site (my interpretation), everything but the top 16 in singles should be drawn by now.
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Draws for seed #17 to #64 (men and women) was done earlier today.
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Draws for seed #1 to #16  will be done tomorrow.

Draws for 64 qualifiers will be done much later, when qualification process is over.

 




Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 5:12pm
Originally posted by Thuro_Wexston Thuro_Wexston wrote:

It is not good communication skills ( & somewhat insulting) to use acronyms such  ASK, SS , SG, AAA, MB for some Chinese players as if we are all supposed to know that they are some sort of Gods & Godesses .  As far as I am concerned there is only one God RB and one Goddess AR

If you can decode all 7 above correctly,  I promise to leave the forum forever until I return again 
 

Do you consider MR an American deity?


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Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 5:51pm
IMHO we should LOL ASLT

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Posted By: Thuro_Wexston
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:


Do you consider MR an American deity?

I don't think Marty himself would like that as he fashioned himself the devil


Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 9:35pm
Originally posted by Thuro_Wexston Thuro_Wexston wrote:

Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Originally posted by Thuro_Wexston Thuro_Wexston wrote:

It is not good communication skills ( & somewhat insulting) to use acronyms such  ASK, SS , SG, AAA, MB for some Chinese players as if we are all supposed to know that they are some sort of Gods & Godesses .  As far as I am concerned there is only one God RB and one Goddess AR

If you can decode all 7 above correctly,  I promise to leave the forum forever until I return again 
 



I am thinking this is NOT how to make it to platinum. 

Trouble decoding names eh Mr.Van Jr  ?
Now you know how I feel  when these people use acronyms



Yes, what is wrong with these people?  They should follow my clear and direct standards, with such personnel terms as Milky Way and Wonder Boy and The Dictator.


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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 11:02pm
There's only 1 match worth watching in the group stage:

http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5000/results.html#" rel="nofollow">Serbia http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5000/results.html#" rel="nofollow - KARAKASEVIC A   vs.  http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5000/results.html#" rel="nofollow - MAZE M http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5000/results.html#" rel="nofollow">Denmark
Mon, 22 Apr12:45Table 18



Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 8:11am
For those in the United States, do any of you have experience with Bleacher Report in terms of video stream quality vs. ITTV? Thanks.


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 8:35am
On ITTF website, saw an article with the title:

"Fan Zhendong and Ma Long, set for semi-final showdown."

I don't think the title is correct. If both keep on winning, they will meet in Round-16 (not semi-final).

*** The sequence:  R-16, Quarter Final, Semi Final, and Final. ***


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 8:47am
This draw is unbelievable....4 CNT players in the top half and only Xu Xin in the bottom half!

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Posted By: Tommy16
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 9:31am
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

On ITTF website, saw an article with the title:

"Fan Zhendong and Ma Long, set for semi-final showdown."

I don't think the title is correct. If both keep on winning, they will meet in Round-16 (not semi-final).

*** The sequence:  R-16, Quarter Final, Semi Final, and Final. ***

FZD (spot 1) will meet Liang Jingkun (spot 16) in R-16 and face ML n semis.


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 10:04am
Originally posted by Tommy16 Tommy16 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

On ITTF website, saw an article with the title:

"Fan Zhendong and Ma Long, set for semi-final showdown."

I don't think the title is correct. If both keep on winning, they will meet in Round-16 (not semi-final).

*** The sequence:  R-16, Quarter Final, Semi Final, and Final. ***

FZD (spot 1) will meet Liang Jingkun (spot 16) in R-16 and face ML n semis.
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After taking another look, you are right.


Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 12:15pm
This Men Singles draw is the worst draw for the CNT, This draw actually gives foreign associations a real chance to win a medal or medals, Top form Harimoto will blaze through to the semis where it's the first chance for him to meet a Chinese player, Timo also has a really good draw, they have really good chances to win a medal.
Xu Xin being alone in the bottom half of the draw is actually double edged, On one hand there's a lot of insane pressure on him to secure a place in the final, and with Liu Guoliang asking him to focus on doubles thinking ML & FZD will attend to singles won't work here, Xu Xin is also the one with most losses against foreigners among the big three, so foreigners like Boll can defeat him and then there'll be an assured place for a foreign association in the final. I think Ding Ning also was alone in her half of the draw last time and she said there was a lot of pressure, although she went on to win it- which brings the other side: XX has always lost to his teammates in the WTTC as long as I can remember, maybe this is one good chance for the penhold king to fulfill the dreams of his fans eh?, 
 By the way, really sad for Dong Ge, crazy matchups are waiting for him, sad for the captain too cos Anything but winning will lead to a drop of ranking points and a fall in his ranking.


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

This Men Singles draw is the worst draw for the CNT, This draw actually gives foreign associations a real chance to win a medal or medals, Top form Harimoto will blaze through to the semis where it's the first chance for him to meet a Chinese player, Timo also has a really good draw, they have really good chances to win a medal.
Xu Xin being alone in the bottom half of the draw is actually double edged, On one hand there's a lot of insane pressure on him to secure a place in the final, and with Liu Guoliang asking him to focus on doubles thinking ML & FZD will attend to singles won't work here, Xu Xin is also the one with most losses against foreigners among the big three, so foreigners like Boll can defeat him and then there'll be an assured place for a foreign association in the final. I think Ding Ning also was alone in her half of the draw last time and she said there was a lot of pressure, although she went on to win it- which brings the other side: XX has always lost to his teammates in the WTTC as long as I can remember, maybe this is one good chance for the penhold king to fulfill the dreams of his fans eh?, 
 By the way, really sad for Dong Ge, crazy matchups are waiting for him, sad for the captain too cos Anything but winning will lead to a drop of ranking points and a fall in his ranking.
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Xu Xin and Timo Boll played 5 times.
Xu Xin won 4 times, Timo Boll won only once.

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 2:43pm
The 1st full cnt match is in the R16 with fzd-ljk, that is if fzd passes through the Quadri filter which is not guaranteed given the way the black knight can transcend himself when the pressure is high, unlike chokers. If LJK makes it to the R16 and does not win, he is not mature enough for the match to be considering as happening too early, sweeping the floor for FZD to advance safe is better a description to me.

Then we might get ML-LGY in the 1/4 finals: despite LGY's immense speed and potential, his history of losing grip on his finely tuned game on important moments makes him appear as somebody needing to prove something big before it sounds early a match. Besides, remember the world (real football) cup 1/4 finals in 1986 and 2006, many said they were finals before the final. This is bad for ML though: in essence, who plays ML's all out game better than LGY? my money is on LGY here but I am afraid dark forces might take him down and I don't mean choking. Things change though and LGY might go in "screw it!" mode and win if he can even if he is told not to.

Follows ML???-FZD in the semi and the winner meets XX in the final. 

If we look closely, it's not that bad or unfair for the CNT.

I doubt people like Hugo, Liam, Tomokazu, Timo, Matthias will all fail to transcend themselves in the same competition of utterly high importance, the odds are really good for a 2003 style big upset to happen again.








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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 2:54pm
Who are the highest ranked players in position to play the most CNT representatives, 4 being the max? LIN Yun-Ju and Hugo Calderano! I bet the teenager is smiling when thinking about the obstacles on his way and everybody tells him to go for it with a light heart to gain experience.

Hugo would definitely makes a strong point if he wins it all!!! OK It's breakfast time and I'm hungry so ML is a good start and then, LGY will be a good dessert. Let's take a little nap now...zzzz....zzzz.... <raising arms and Yaaaaaaawn>, it's time to take care of FZD now. All right, FZD, checked!!! where's XX?



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Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 3:30pm
The first match on table 1 - Mixed doubles Nikhil Kumar/Lily Zhang v Fan Zhendong/Ding Ning

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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 5:39pm
Tbh, this is the best chance for the WTTC crown that Xu Xin has ever had! 

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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 7:26pm
Although Harimoto is celebrating his draw of not encountering any CNT players before the semis but he in fact doesn't have that great records against European players like Marcos and Timo who play slower and spinnier, I think he definitely has a tough job ahead!

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 7:42pm
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Although Harimoto is celebrating his draw of not encountering any CNT players before the semis but he in fact doesn't have that great records against European players like Marcos and Timo who play slower and spinnier, I think he definitely has a tough job ahead!
OH YES! TH is one of the best placed to beat CNT players but so was Timo before meeting with Crisan in London 2012 and Aruna in Rio 2016 for example.

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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 8:15pm
I would really like to see Mattias Falck do well.  I think he will make it to the quarterfinals even though Lee Sangsu is in the same bracket.  I've been watching matches of him vs. LGY at the Swedish Open where he won and the Qatar Open where he lost deuce in the 7th.  Both were great matches with each player channeling their inner Harimoto after every point.  I would like to see Falck in the top 10 by years end.


Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

The 1st full cnt match is in the R16 with fzd-ljk, that is if fzd passes through the Quadri filter which is not guaranteed given the way the black knight can transcend himself when the pressure is high, unlike chokers. If LJK makes it to the R16 and does not win, he is not mature enough for the match to be considering as happening too early, sweeping the floor for FZD to advance safe is better a description to me.

Then we might get ML-LGY in the 1/4 finals: despite LGY's immense speed and potential, his history of losing grip on his finely tuned game on important moments makes him appear as somebody needing to prove something big before it sounds early a match. Besides, remember the world (real football) cup 1/4 finals in 1986 and 2006, many said they were finals before the final. This is bad for ML though: in essence, who plays ML's all out game better than LGY? my money is on LGY here but I am afraid dark forces might take him down and I don't mean choking. Things change though and LGY might go in "screw it!" mode and win if he can even if he is told not to.

Follows ML???-FZD in the semi and the winner meets XX in the final. 

If we look closely, it's not that bad or unfair for the CNT.

I doubt people like Hugo, Liam, Tomokazu, Timo, Matthias will all fail to transcend themselves in the same competition of utterly high importance, the odds are really good for a 2003 style big upset to happen again.






I don't like this post. First off I don't think Lin is likely to win agains Ma. Ma came back from a long break and still beat him. He's gonna be even better at the wttc, where Lin will choke if he gets the chance. And this whole "Chinese match fixing" thing ...WackoWacko


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 9:37pm
Harimoto Tomokazu has beaten a few CNT players, but he has never had any luck against Xu Xin.
They played 4 times, Xu Xin won all of them.

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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 04/20/2019 at 9:39pm
Budapest, Hungary is 6 hours ahead US Eastern.
The published match time minus 6 hours will be US Eastern.


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 04/21/2019 at 2:32am
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Harimoto Tomokazu has beaten a few CNT players, but he has never had any luck against Xu Xin.
They played 4 times, Xu Xin won all of them.

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Boll did it too never in a worlds


Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 04/21/2019 at 5:47am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Harimoto Tomokazu has beaten a few CNT players, but he has never had any luck against Xu Xin.
They played 4 times, Xu Xin won all of them.

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Boll did it too never in a worlds
Did what? Beat cnt players or xu xin? Cause he did beat cnt players in wttc, OG and wc. 


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 04/21/2019 at 6:13am
Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Harimoto Tomokazu has beaten a few CNT players, but he has never had any luck against Xu Xin.
They played 4 times, Xu Xin won all of them.

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Boll did it too never in a worlds
Did what? Beat cnt players or xu xin? Cause he did beat cnt players in wttc, OG and wc. 

What cnt has lost in singles to boll in a wttc or OG?


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 04/21/2019 at 6:23am
Anna Hursey is playing on table 4 at the moment. The match is just about to start, if anyone is interested.


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 04/21/2019 at 7:29am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Harimoto Tomokazu has beaten a few CNT players, but he has never had any luck against Xu Xin.
They played 4 times, Xu Xin won all of them.

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Boll did it too never in a worlds
Did what? Beat cnt players or xu xin? Cause he did beat cnt players in wttc, OG and wc. 

What cnt has lost in singles to boll in a wttc or OG?
Chen Qi, Zhang Jike are among them...


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 04/21/2019 at 10:21am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Harimoto Tomokazu has beaten a few CNT players, but he has never had any luck against Xu Xin.
They played 4 times, Xu Xin won all of them.
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Boll did it too never in a worlds
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No, Boll did not beat Harimoto all the time.
They played 3 times, Boll won 2, Harimoto won 1.

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Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 04/21/2019 at 12:47pm
Should I be surprised by Victor Liu (USA) 4-1 over Segun Toriola (NGR)? No doubt Toriola is past his prime.

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Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 04/21/2019 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Harimoto Tomokazu has beaten a few CNT players, but he has never had any luck against Xu Xin.
They played 4 times, Xu Xin won all of them.

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Boll did it too never in a worlds
Did what? Beat cnt players or xu xin? Cause he did beat cnt players in wttc, OG and wc. 

What cnt has lost in singles to boll in a wttc or OG?
Chen Qi, Zhang Jike are among them...
boll won against ma long in the wtttc, Zhang jike in OG 2012, chen qi in 2011, wang hao, ma lin, wang liqin in wc 2005, Kong in wc 2002, ma long and Lin Gaoliang in wc 2017.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/21/2019 at 3:20pm
Some people think a victory in singles in a team event does not hold the same value than the same in single elimination, where people are alone with themselves and fight for their own trophy, not the team's trophy. 2 different mindsets: in a team event the team spirit adds value to the player's game so the player's victory is not just his own.

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