What is the "it" abs ball right now?
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Topic: What is the "it" abs ball right now?
Posted By: j-bo
Subject: What is the "it" abs ball right now?
Date Posted: 06/05/2019 at 1:44pm
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Last balls I've bought (they last forever) were the DHS 40+ ABS with Ding Ning on the box. Some still swear by the original nittaku premiums.. Is there a general consensus of the better ball to use as the moment or keep with the DHS 40+'s? Some at our club balk that they aren't truly round and seem "soft". Also..is there a better training ball out there for less cost? I mean, the DHS's are pretty cheap to me and wouldn't mind just using them, but a friend has asked me. I personally didn't care for the Butterfly balls. Thanks. |
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Posted By: CoachMcAfee
Date Posted: 06/05/2019 at 2:19pm
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Like most clubs, we tried many different balls, but over the last year we settled on the Joola Prime Balls. We normally put about 30 balls out for each table and mix the Joola Prime and the Joola Magic ABS balls (training balls). Very few if any of the players check to see which they are hitting with as both work fine for training. The Joola Balls are also very well priced. ------------- Coach McAfee |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/05/2019 at 3:13pm
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Any seamed ABS ball tends to play well these days as long as it is ITTF approved. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Eric Fountain
Date Posted: 06/05/2019 at 4:15pm
Paddle Palace Club provides Nittaku J-Top 40+ Training balls (the Paddle Palace stamped ones) and honestly I don't notice much of a difference. They play totally fine. Most people don't bother to break out Premiums unless they are worried about a tournament coming up. What balls are tournaments in your area using? That would be the biggest driver. If Premiums, these J-Tops would probably worth trying for a cheaper ball. I haven't tried new DHS D40+ to compare but obviously the older DHS 40+ were complete garbage. I always found the XSF balls fun but they are way too different in style to Nittaku so no point.
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j-bo wrote:Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/05/2019 at 4:28pm
I agree that balls used at the tournaments you play should mostly drive the balls you choose to use. If you don't play tournaments, most of the seamed ABS balls are fairly comparable. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Lula
Date Posted: 06/05/2019 at 4:33pm
| the yasaka training balls we us is almost like eggs. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/05/2019 at 4:57pm
Those are the best points.. use what tournaments use.. but they use butterfly, nittaku, and some others. We do have some nittaku j's.. good choice on training. Thanks a bunch. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/05/2019 at 5:03pm
I live in a tournament heavy area and the ones I play use Nittaku and Gewo and seamless. I don't play with the balls all the time I just know which balls are similar (Joola Prime and Gewo Select are) and which ones to use if I am going to play in an event that uses them. No need to play regularly with every ball. I got given a large number of Nittakus so I use those for practice matches but I also use the Joola Prime and wish more clubs would use them so we can escape the ball diversity. If Joola manages to become the ball at the Nationals, that will be a great day. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: vik2000
Date Posted: 06/05/2019 at 5:38pm
| I like Nittaku, DHS, Joola and XSF balls. |
Posted By: trumpet_guy
Date Posted: 06/05/2019 at 7:48pm
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I still prefer Nittaku Premium *** 40+ DHS D40+ is a decent alternative, but doesn't feel as hard, and feels lighter, though it's probably very similar in weight to the Nittaku
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Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 06/06/2019 at 11:52am
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Yinhe has a 3 star ittf approved ball now, the Y+ ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 06/06/2019 at 8:21pm
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My favorite is the Nittaku Premium. I also bought 6 boxes of the DHS D40+ when I went to China 2 years ago. I'm still half way through the first box after 2 years... I think only 1 or 2 balls broke. The rest I "lost". They're VERY durable and consistent. The Nittaku Premium breaks quite often, but the ball feels great. The D40+ 3* balls were like less 30 cents each too...
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Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 06/07/2019 at 12:12am
Yes, I would agree, that Nittaku was and still is the "it" ball. For the price too  ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 06/07/2019 at 2:22am
Nearly identical weight, the difference in feeling is due to the hardness. I weighed them on my digital scales awhile back. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 06/07/2019 at 2:25am
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In Vietnam over 90% of the players level E and above use Nittaku Premium balls. I had some of the new orange Nittaku balls and no one wanted to even give it a try. In apartment complex the players are a little bit lower. Those guys warm up with Yinhe seemless balls and then switch to Nittaku for playing games. lol I'm not sure what the point of that is. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: YoAss
Date Posted: 06/07/2019 at 5:28am
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I have different experiences than most with the DHS D40+. I bought a few boxes (production run: XCAG) that were truly excellent, quite the ball as described in the rave reviews given by many here and on other forums. So I thought I'd replace all threestars at the club, and bought a gross of them. This time I received another batch ("XHAG"). About 1 in 10 was playable - round enough, had a bounce, and were hard enough. About 9 in 10 were duds, played like leaky balloons. Most of these were still quite round, but there also were quite a few eggs among the duds. And the minority of playable balls wasn't as durable, started going soft and "gooey" quite soon - often developing minor cracks and actual leaks. They're probably great balls for a good production run, but having been burned I've developed a distrust of the related QA. I'm not buying these again, but I've since been very happy with the Stiga Perform 40+ threestar as a substitute for the Nittaku Premium. Which is great, but inaffordable at scale.
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Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 06/07/2019 at 9:30am
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All of my experience with DHS balls has also been terrible. They aren't round, they don't bounce properly, they have no feel, and they feel soft. All the DHS balls in Vietnam must be from the bad batch you mentioned. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 06/08/2019 at 2:48am
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DHS D40+ "white", not quite white and that's how you differentiate between good and not so good. Not so white (grayish) are perfect balls. Much more durable than over-hyped Nittakus. I played both a lot. All Nittaku ones cracked. Just rubbish from durability point of view, not sure what is good about them. $4 AUD per ball if you are lucky. Really?? D40+ reacts to spin very well, has decent kick and weights the same. In 80% cases I have to take the next D40+ ball is because previous lost it's grip and got polished like a mirror. Nitakku's usually do not survive until that day LOL Sanwei ABS Pro in golden package plays very similar to D40+, I would say identical and also do not crack. Many players who first tried Sanwei asked me if this is Butterfly ball, probably there is a similarity. I haven't played Butterfly, I don't know. Personally I have both Sanwei and DHS in my bag, taking them at random and do not notice difference. Same all my mates, excluding those who are hooked to Nittaku, for reason I cannot understand :) ------------- 729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold. DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 06/08/2019 at 5:35am
So, I've had a total different experience with Nitakku balls too. Usually, for me they start losing their zip before they actually crack. I usually stop using them because the bounce goes away and they stop spinning as well rather than an actual crack. Normally, the Nittaku premium balls last me a good 10 hours of play. The manufacturers must send different batches of balls to different continents. Also, on a side note. I played with some TSP balls that weren't too bad. I've only seen those around a few times. Any idea who makes them? ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 06/08/2019 at 1:43pm
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how about Xushaofa balls? Were very popular some time ago (maybe because they were seamless), but now don't see them a lot... ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 06/08/2019 at 2:32pm
So many are sold under other brands, but I don't think there is a seamless abs ball. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: henningf
Date Posted: 06/09/2019 at 6:34am
| If I where to go by price DHS D40+. Trouble with the D40+ is that they have a tendency to get «polished» relativly fast. The nittaku balls are the best I play with. They last a long time, and is one of two balls used for tournaments here, the other one is stiga balls, I prefer the nittakus. |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 06/09/2019 at 7:23am
| DF V40+ is far underrated. The latter batches of 2019 are a great quality product. Give it a try, anyway ... |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 06/09/2019 at 6:49pm
| NP 40+ is supreme at my club and any I visit in Texas. I think the gambler P40+ is plenty good and cheaper. |
Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 06/09/2019 at 10:13pm
Anyone know who is making the Gambler P40+? I hit with some and they did seem pretty good. Mark
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Posted By: col6628
Date Posted: 06/10/2019 at 2:12pm
| xushaofa balls are used at vetts tournaments in england |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 06/10/2019 at 2:38pm
Since they're seamless, you have to presume it's xfs. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 06/10/2019 at 3:16pm
The P40+ that I have do have a seam. Mark
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Posted By: qpskfec
Date Posted: 06/11/2019 at 12:08am
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Gambler P40+ is a DHS D40+ clone. Looks and plays exactly like good quality D40+ balls. Best bang for the buck at $25 for 36 balls. You can get D40+ cheaper from alie or ttnpp, but the quality of the balls I have got from them was iffy. |
Posted By: YoAss
Date Posted: 06/11/2019 at 3:01am
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XSF*** is the most commonly played ball over here (NL), competitions as well as tournaments. It's a good ball. If it would be a bit cheaper and would not break so easily (a single edge clip will do the trick) it would be entirely unchallenged.
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Posted By: Alisha_Hooksit
Date Posted: 06/11/2019 at 7:53am
More players should make this discovery, not only does the DF V4O+ play quite similar yet with softer feel to the vaunted NP, they only cost $1/ball.
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Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 06/11/2019 at 4:01pm
if anyone in the nyc area wants to try one, PM me--I get this ball to run college tournaments with the latter batches of this ball are indeed quite good. when I first started running the tournaments back when the plastic ball just became a thing... they were complete garbage and quite literally 'exploded' when hit on the edge of a racket. the quality is a lot better now.
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Posted By: Alisha_Hooksit
Date Posted: 06/11/2019 at 6:06pm
FYI to anyone wanting to buy and try them, tabletennisonly.com sells a box of 10 for only $9.49
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Posted By: qpskfec
Date Posted: 06/11/2019 at 6:41pm
| I tried the V40+ with the team world cup logo on the box, these were not good. Would not buy again. |
Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 06/11/2019 at 8:37pm
I haven't tried playing with the round stone but I guess feeling will be similar to DF balls. They are high quality and very strong but feel so hard. Too hard for our team. We use them to break in new rubbers LOL ------------- 729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold. DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 06/11/2019 at 9:22pm
Same here! Initially I thought maybe it was just one bad ball but the entire box sucked. I tried to give them away for free but nobody wanted them... ------------- OSP Ultimate; Dr. Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard max, Dr. Neubauer Troublemaker 0.5 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55835&title=feed-back-for-matt-pimple" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 06/11/2019 at 10:41pm
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hm.. dunno about the quality control of the DF V40+ balls then since so many people are bashing it -shrug- the batch I have seem to have gotten good reviews from everyone that I play with
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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/03/2019 at 7:45am
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IMPROVED V40+ IN RED BOXes. Some people like it much better than the blue boxes. The blue boxes is an preceding product of June 2018 RED BOXES. Manufacture Date is April 2019 X = 0 D = 4 A = 1 I = 9 0.48 USD per one. Happy acquirement, anyway.  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32813934450.html PS// This seller still has a stock of both blue and red boxes. Be sure to ask for RED boxes/ Be happy. |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 07/03/2019 at 12:35pm
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D40+ with DING NING logo i recently received are still good. My choice of balls these days over anything else on the market right now. ------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 07/03/2019 at 2:58pm
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I still think Nittakus are the best, but pricey. |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 07/03/2019 at 7:09pm
Unless you step on it or have an unlucky day, they usually play pretty good for about 10 hours. They cost like a dollar fifty. I don't find them that expensive. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 07/04/2019 at 3:22pm
Cant find NP40+ anywhere cheaper than $2.66 per ball here in US. Thats pretty expensive for 2-3 sessions out of a ball. D40+ however is around a dollar per ball and dont feel like a glass rock after 10 sessions. ------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 07/10/2019 at 10:28pm
I like these because after 40 hours of use, they play better than any other ball I've tried. An NP40+ after 40hours of use is not a good ball. Anyone else tried the BTY S40+ ? I liked it, very spinny, but am concerned that like the NP 40+ that it will lose spin and go glossy/glassy. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |