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Useless response like the rest of your posts on the forum. As usual added nothing of value. T stands for Tenergy, not Troll. 

And higher is a relative measure, and you have no idea of my level, so should I assume you're just stupid or you just don't speak English very well? Perhaps both.

Go back to the bridge where you trolls serve a purpose. 

Ok fine, what's your level then? I"m not the first post in this thread that asked for it.

To answer your question. I used both. T05H is like t05 but spinnier and higher throw, things tend to overshoot cuz of harder sponge. 

D05 have a rather "tacky" top sheet compare to tenergy series. Serve and push tends to be low and spinny which is good. Things do tend to overshoot compare to tenergy 05. It feels like a lighter version of h3 turbo orange to me. 

So he is making enough more spin to send my block a lot hifher and longer.  We have played for six years, so it isn't his technique or blade or anything else, just the d05.

However in matches it doesn't make a big difference in the score.  Too many other factors compared to simple loop v block.  But if you want to be unblockable in warmups d05 may help you there.

He also used t05h for a minute.  That rubber did nothing for him.   I hit with it and to le it was horrible.  I don't have the skills for t05h. So I agree with hunkeelin about the level for t05h, not for dignics.

For reference I am 1950, my friend is 1800.

I've use both.  You can certainly tell that T05, T05H, and D05 are all related; there's a lot of similarity.  I could switch between these rubbers with minimal practice.  

I liked T05H on the FH because it's less bouncy and harder to over-hit with.  It's harder than D05 (or T05, of course).  I don't weigh my rubbers, but D05 seems heavier to me than either type of T05.  And it's got my bounce that T05H.

I've settled, for the moment, on using D05 on my BH.  I'm not using it on the FH because I like less-bounce rubbers there, like T05H or (my current choice) Nittaku Turbo Orange.

Yes, you can tell these rubbers are from the same general family, but I would argue that they are not so similar. T05H is just brick hard and so unforgiving. Honestly, one of my least favorite rubbers I've ever tried. At the same time, Dignics is one of the best rubbers I've ever tried. Much like Xiom's Vega series are from the same family, but Xiom Vega China and Xiom Vega Europe are significantly different rubbers. 

Note that T0H like other hard rubbers is quite heavy. Thus your blade has to be on the lighter side, about 85g, to keep the overall bat weight below 192g.

Out of the package, My T0H weighed 77g and D05 70g.

This put my bat's weight to 202g, too heavy. The T05H cut to my bat's 150x156mm size weighed 54g with a couple layers of glue.

I have since replaced the T05H with my old T05 (several layers of glue) and kept the D05H, total bat weight is 193g.

BTW, the T05 has several layers of glue only because I didn't try to remove old layers for fear of damaging the rubber.

I wish that I could have kept the T05H though.

1) Timo Boll ALC with T05H and T05 weight 193 gm.

2) Viscara with Turbo Orange and T80 weight 194 gm.

3) Nittaku tornado king speed with Turbo Orange and D05 weight 203 gm.

I think the Viscara blade is something like 87 gm by itself, the TB ALC is around 93 gm, and I think the Tornado is also around 93 gm.

I'm not really sure whether D05 is heavier than T05H.  It certainly has a lot more spring to it.  On the other hand, I don't consider T05H a "brick" as someone here described it.  

T05H is definitely heavier than D05. I just removed mine from the blade.

Both cut to 150x156mm.

D05 = 46g (glue removed)

T05H = 53g (glue removed)

So basically both together on a blade will be around 100g

I also think there is a tendency that players that are not so good want to use dignics, tenergy because they are suppose to be the best and all the pros use them. But these rubbers can proably limit their play and possibilites to become better because they are just to fast and spin sensitive for them. 

I used to think this way.

But I know guys who are doing great with t05 both sides on a zjk blade......and guys who keep the same level for years playing donic vario both sides on a control blade.

so the final conclusion after studying all the data:

it depends on the player.

a good player will play good with any setup.

a bad player will play bad with any setup.

But i think any player will play worse if the gear is to fast and to sensitive to spin. And this is proably true for some players that are not so good. The players that do not have this problem maybe can benefit from tenergy and dignics and for them it is worth the money. 

I also think that players that are not good players yet, but want to become one will benefit from using other stuff than tenergy and dignics, and maybe aswell do not use the fastest blade available that the pros use. 

I have been a part time coach for a long time and kids or/and beginners or players that are not so good often chose to fast equipment because pros use them or they are suppose to be the best, but many times i think they do not benefit from this because they are not good enough to use the epensive equipment they buy. And like i said, i think it seriously limit their play and possiblities to develop as a player. 

You are proably true tho that good players can play good with alot of different stuff. I do not know if i am considered a good player, but i think i can play good enough with other rubbers than tenergy. So personally i do not think it is worth the money. 

First, I'll disagree with jpenmaster.  I don't think D05 is related to SpinArt; I find them quite different. To me, D05 is either a faster version of t05 or a spinier version of T80, depending upon how you look at it.  SpinArt is more like one of the Chinese hybrid rubbers, such as Nittaku Turbo Orange. And I've played with all of these rubbers.

I also want to comment on Lula's remark that it's a bad for beginners to use these rubbers.  I've seen a lot of beginners (or people who just have poor technique) using Tenergy and I would say it's more a waste of money, rather than hurting their game.  They just don't have the skill set to take advantage of those advanced rubbers.  So no harm done, except to waste money.  Where my thinking lines up with Lula is with faster or stiff paddles.  Those are much harder to control and generally have less feel (less dwell time, for one thing).  So most beginners/low level players better off staying away from such paddles.  Even then, however, it depends upon their style.  Maybe the player just smashes or just fast-blocks?  Given a choice, I direct beginners to something like a Stiga classic All+ with modest rubbers (perhaps an H3 variant, but it could also be a Euro rubber that isn't too aggressive).  That's the  best way to learn.  I've just see a lot of exceptions to that rule.

So far, I've experienced minimal shrinkage with Dignics, but it does shrink a tiny bit. It isn't very much compared with some of the ESN stuff I've tried. Gewo Nexxus El Pro 48 shrinks like crazy. 

Beginers make more easy mistakes with high performance rubbers and blades 2 hyper speed loops that land and 40 easy misses

I am not sure I agree. Equipment plays a significant part, IMO. I used to play with Photino, and I did downgrade to Viscaria (downgrade in terms of speed). I did try other blades, such as Nittaku Barwell (excellent!) before I settled on Viscaria.

Sure the pros will still beat you with lesser equipment than they usually do. But there is a limit.

I would definitely not be able to do as much with these paddles..., as Im sure you would not prefer to use these paddles either....

FdT

Having the newest equipment doesn't automatically make you the best player.  It all comes down to your playing style and technique refinement.  The past weekend, my friend (~1980, RSM GMax w/ Donic Bluefire M1 + Grass DtecS) beat a 2100+ (Super ZJK + x2 Dignics 05) player consecutively, and I (~1800, JP I-S w/ x2 Yasaka Rakza 7 Soft) came very close to beating the same player.  

You said you have used T05/T64 for 3 years and THEN say you played with "JP I-S w/ x2 Yasaka Rakza 7 Soft" ????

Yes, your purse.

That surprises me. I absolutely hated T05H. Its just too damn hard and unforgiving. The one and only thing I found T05H to better than Dignics in was ease of spin production on service. I found Dignics to be superior in every other aspect of play.  

Yes, I played with 05/64 for three years, but removed them recently because they are pretty old and I didn't feel like regluing them.  So instead of buying new T05/64, I opted for a cheaper rubber that I've used before, which is the Rakza 7 Soft.

Visually, the sponge on T05 and T05H looks almost the same.  You can see the structure of holes in the sponge, which is very distinctive.  Maybe the holes in the T05H are tiny bit smaller, but the difference is so small that it's hard to be sure.  However, when you squeeze the sponges, you can really feel how much harder the T05H sponge is.  Yet, even thought it's harder, the Hard version still has that same springy feel to it as the regular version.

By comparison, the TO sponge is much more dense.  You can't see the holes (air structure) at all.  Turbo Orange is supposed to be a Hurricane 3 top sheet on top of a Japanese (Nittaku) sponge, so it's surprising how solid the TO sponge looks.  And when you pinch it, it feels much less bouncy (harder and less springy) than an of the other rubbers in this list.  Definitely no "spring effect."

The Dignics sponge looks similar to the Tenergy sponge, with a very similar hole structure, but much smaller holes.  I could almost claim that it's halfway between the look of Tenergy and that of TO (which looks almost solid).  When you pinch it, it feels between T05 and T05H in hardness, but it's very similar to T05 in springiness.

So I would rate them as

Visual density of sponge:

TO > D05 > T05H >= (meaning very close) T05

Hardness to pinch

TO > T05H > D05 > T05

Springiness

D05 > T05 > T05H > TO

For the top sheet, visual inspection shows TO is the shiny, stick H3 top sheet.  Interestingly, the D05 top sheet *looks* identical to the T05 and T05H top sheets.  You can't tell the difference just be looking at them. However, if you rub your fingers on the top sheet, the D05 top sheet clearly has more grip than either Tenergy top sheet.

Top sheet looks:

D05 = T05 = T05H

Top sheet grip by finger rubbing:

D05 > T05 = T05H

Don't know that any of this will help someone. I mainly did it to satisfy my own curiosity and thought I'd share the results.

That sounds about right T05H has more a flat trajectory with a heavy dip down at the end. A lot opponents had trouble against my good shots when I played that rubber, but at the same time I missed a lot more balls either into the net or long. T05H might be more dangerous in the right players hands, but its very difficult to play. D05 is a lot more consistent, reliable, and easier to control. It still has plenty of power and spin, and I win more with D05 by using placement and consistency.