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Topic: Did you play with 38mm ball
Posted By: Simas
Subject: Did you play with 38mm ball
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 2:50am
Yups, I did Smile

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Posted By: ghostzen
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 3:46am
Yep me as well.

And bike glue..  Anything went really rubber wise. 

Pimples, anti, and hidden hidden serves 😊




Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 3:58am
Played my best stuff with the 38mm and speed glue

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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 4:49am
Oh yes :)) I liked it. Spin oriented players who knew that era miss it, for sure.

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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 4:51am
Lol you guys are old Tongue

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Posted By: ghostzen
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 5:07am
We are very experienced for sure Wink


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 6:26am
How about one further back, "did you play with same colored rubber both sides?" 😁

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Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 6:29am
Of course I did. 
The smell of those n-Hexane speed glue in the stands became so strong, so the tournament director create a rule to glue only outside the gym...


Posted By: YoAss
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 6:40am
"Glue outside!" used to be a pretty common directive.  It wasn't adhered too all that much, though, and the top players would be merrily soaking their rubbers in cement, regluing directly prior to a match.  Ah, Šurbek, how you shone....

And yes, I played with both sides black.  I also played with eggplant-coloured on both sides.

And I'd be playing black on both sides again, if that were allowed.  In that case, I could actually use the same rubbers on both wings, without having to deal with the rubber not being available in both colours, or distinctive differences between both colours even if available in both — as is the case for some rubbers. 


Posted By: Vlad0
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 7:30am
Yep.

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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 7:34am
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

How about one further back, "did you play with same colored rubber both sides?" 😁
 yep


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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 8:51am
Of course...

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Posted By: CoachMcAfee
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 9:01am
How many played before the advent of Mark 5 and Sriver rubbers, which were the super rubbers of the time?  Before Sriver, Butterfly offered D13 All-round, Tempest, and Plous rubbers.  My first racket was a Butterfly "English" Style with D13.

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Posted By: YoAss
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 9:03am
Yes, I remember Tempest, although I played with a (handed down) blade with Mark V on it at the time.


Posted By: gnopgnipster
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 9:19am
My first paddle had same color rubber on both sides (BTY Stipancic with D-13 red). I still play with 38mm balls today whenever a Hardbat tournament offers them. 

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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 9:23am
Originally posted by CoachMcAfee CoachMcAfee wrote:

How many played before the advent of Mark 5 and Sriver rubbers, which were the super rubbers of the time?  Before Sriver, Butterfly offered D13 All-round, Tempest, and Plous rubbers.  My first racket was a Butterfly "English" Style with D13.
Cobra 3 star rubber Wink


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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 10:38am
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Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 11:07am
I played with Green rubbers on both sides.


Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 11:18am
Originally posted by CoachMcAfee CoachMcAfee wrote:

How many played before the advent of Mark 5 and Sriver rubbers, which were the super rubbers of the time?  Before Sriver, Butterfly offered D13 All-round, Tempest, and Plous rubbers.  My first racket was a Butterfly "English" Style with D13.

That was my first proper racket too!


Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 11:54am
I remember having a sheet of blue Mark V... also at one point played with the yellow Tornada and a maroon-ish PF4 on the other side. Having the various colored rubbers come back next year will feel sort of nostalgic for me, I think.


Posted By: 1dennistt
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 12:30pm
Panda had a lot of rubber for sale with different colors, like some in blue and gold for instance.  I remember my first "real" bat was a Stiga Bengtsson allround with red Mark V on both sides.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 1:04pm
I played with a green Mark V.  I think that was my first serious paddle.  Then I started taking lessons a bit later and went to glued Chinese rubbers.  I am a spin player and Avalox Purot with speed glue could make a little spin...

ILya


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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 1:31pm
Pah! you rich boys. You actually could afford a ping pong bat!? and on a real TT table! wonders.
Brought up in Jamaica, my first bat was Enid Blyton's book of poetry. It has small enough for the 10yo me to hold and the hardcover was hard enough for the ball. We started out on the teacher's table during breaks and graduated to the corridor floor outside the classroom using any piece of wood that we could find. In fact, playing TT on the floor was so popular in the Caribbean that Barbadian players made it an official sport.
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Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 2:35pm
I began in table tennis when blue Spectols were sold. Early 90´s.


Posted By: serr
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 4:37pm
Didn't even play with the 40mm celluloid Disapprove


Posted By: geardaddy
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 4:43pm
In grade school in the mid 70s I first got into TT.  I went to a school that had a teacher that was enthusiastic about TT, and we had tournaments and a "challenge board".  I remember using a paddle with green inverted rubber with sponge on both sides, which was heavy but could spin the ball pretty good.  Also have a memory of playing a lot with a friend, where we worked on a stroke that we called "the experimental" (it was a backhand loop).

Didn't play again for many years, where my boss at work was a player and clued me into a local club.  That was in the late 80's with hidden serves, speed glue, etc.  I loved the setup of Butterfly Grubba blade with Sriver FX both sides that was speed-glued.


Posted By: rcgldr
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 5:29pm
> two color rule

Before the two color rule, Eric Boggan used the same color on both sides of his paddle (black), with anti-spin rubber on one side. He'd flip the bat under the table, so opponents weren't sure which side was being used for serves or returns. He used the same grip as Danny Seemiller.

Danny Seemiller traded wins with Eric Boggan, but I don't know the over win/loss ratio between the two. I recall that Jimmy Lane beat him once at tournament that I think was in Houston.

> 38 mm ball

I stopped playing before the switch to 40 mm, then started up again years later for a few months, then went on a 15 year break. I play occasionally now, mostly doing rally counters with my wife, as she wanted to start playing again.



Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 6:06pm
I'm not that old but I started playing with red BTY Super Sriver and red Super Anti, as well as the 38mm ball. My father, who taught me, was not aware the rules had been updated, so we played like that for a while until we ran out of balls and had to order new ones. Then we realized things had changed. I still flip my racket under the table when using anti or long pips, but it isn't that effective anymore.

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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by serr serr wrote:

Didn't even play with the 40mm celluloid Disapprove

Lol looks like we're the minority here....


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Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 10:07pm
I barely played with the 40mm ball too. When I started 40+ was already around, but most places I played couldn't afford to switch all their balls over yet.


Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 10:16pm
and hiding services as well....


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Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 10:19pm
 


Posted By: Fulanodetal
Date Posted: 08/13/2019 at 10:36pm
Yes briefly. I don't remember how it felt. I was just starting. And it was before I got a single lesson. 
And the reason I got started is doubles. We used to play to 21. I found doubles extremely addicting. It was later that I found one on one to be more satisfying.

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Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 08/14/2019 at 2:32am
Originally posted by YoAss YoAss wrote:

"Glue outside!" used to be a pretty common directive.  It wasn't adhered too all that much, though, and the top players would be merrily soaking their rubbers in cement, regluing directly prior to a match. 

In my case it was done outside the club in the corridor. So every time I came to the club, I knew someone has reglued LOL


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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 08/14/2019 at 4:19am
I did play with 38mm balls and still have a dozen.

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/14/2019 at 5:38pm
I played with them for longer than I have played with 40 or 40+


Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 08/14/2019 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

I played with Green rubbers on both sides.
  
My first racket with sponge was Butterfly French Style with green pips on both sides. My first tournament opponent (12 years later) played with green on one side, gold on the other - the two distinct color rule was in effect.


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/14/2019 at 8:26pm
Me too (green rubber).   My first real blade, a Stiga Alser with green 3 star Cobra.  Purchased in Stockholm in 1969.

I got one with red Mark V in 1973.  Amazingly that is more or less what I used until I got my first composite z(Butterfly Keyshot) decades later.  And then it was glue time baby!!  My rackets smelled like a chemical plant right up until 2008. Used a Viscaria with Bryce.


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 08/14/2019 at 8:44pm
I still have a bunch of the 38mm balls. Its fun to whack them around like rounded boomerangs. 


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 08/14/2019 at 8:45pm
Well, at least we get a fun look at the demographics here, shall we request the creation of a senior section? With proven age to post there and a chain of trust from established O50 people? Tim Boggan would show up maybe, that would be something. We’ll make Gary its honorary president (I like his old age playing posts) and mjamja the mod of it? The modovit? That’s what too much shadowing mountains brings to people. Time for mjazilla to play ball.




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Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 08/15/2019 at 9:54pm
I started by using Butterfly Appelgren AN (yes, he was sponsored by Butterfly back then, before switching to Donic later on).  I still kept the blade until a few years ago when several kids from church wanted to play TT and I gave them my old blades.

Then I used Yasaka Leopard EX (back then it was labeled the fastest blade ever,  LOL). 

Oh that classic Chinese blade:  DHS PF4 and DHS 08. 

Rubbers were Sriver, Super Sriver, Mark V, and that green rubber (forget its name).

So yes, I used the 38 mm ball.  


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Posted By: dina_arif
Date Posted: 08/15/2019 at 10:39pm
Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

 
 (12 years later) played with green on one side, gold on the other - the two distinct color rule was in effect.

You are making up fish tales > Which year was that ?  The only rule about the two color setup was the two color rule of 1983 which says the (one & only) two colors allowed were red & black ....no green, no orange, no gold, no blue,  period. 

Did you win that match ? If not protest and have your ratings corrected  Tongue


Posted By: CoachMcAfee
Date Posted: 08/15/2019 at 11:35pm
Won my first Open Men's Singles Title (1968 Orlando Summer Open) using a Siga Blade with green Cobra rubbers on both sides.  The green Cobra was quite thin sponge and the red Cobra was the thicker sponge.  

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Posted By: dina_arif
Date Posted: 08/15/2019 at 11:48pm
Originally posted by CoachMcAfee CoachMcAfee wrote:

Won my first Open Men's Singles Title (1968 Orlando Summer Open) using a Siga Blade with green Cobra rubbers on both sides.  The green Cobra was quite thin sponge and the red Cobra was the thicker sponge.  

Was there not a rule long ago that mandated that both sides of the racket MUST be of same color (but any color) ?  (No I am NOT making this up).  When was rule was changed to allow use of any two rubbers of same or different colors (but keep in mind rules did NOT say they MUST be of different colors) ? Obviously after 1968 but before 1983


Posted By: rcgldr
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 2:26am
Originally posted by dina_arif dina_arif wrote:

The only rule about the two color setup was the two color rule of 1983 which says the (one & only) two colors allowed were red & black ....no green, no orange, no gold, no blue,  period.
The initial two color rule was any two colors as long as they did not look similar (blue and blue-green (aqua)) would have been considered two close in color. The switch to red and black was later in 1985.





Posted By: dina_arif
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 3:15am
Originally posted by rcgldr rcgldr wrote:

The initial two color rule was any two colors as long as they did not look similar (blue and blue-green (aqua)) would have been considered two close in color. The switch to red and black was later in 1985. 
From what I read somewhere, Dr.Rufford Harrison, the author of this rule was quoted as saying "We considered using two color groups" but then manufacturers chose to go with Red & Black" 

I checked ITTF history webpage & it does say "Two Color Rule" came in 1983 but red & black came only 1985.   Since heavyspin did not quote the year I was mistaken about this. I apologize regardless & I assume he was quoting between 1983 & 1985   


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 4:15am
In Belgium, there are some tounaments (near Antwerpen) where 38mm balls are used. I know several very good players who stopped playing official competition since the plastic balls.
They were still very strong with plastic balls but didn't have so much fun....
Some of them completely stopped and some just play with each other for fun, with 38mm balls, speedglue for some, old long pimples....


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Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 8:11am
Originally posted by dina_arif dina_arif wrote:

Originally posted by rcgldr rcgldr wrote:

The initial two color rule was any two colors as long as they did not look similar (blue and blue-green (aqua)) would have been considered two close in color. The switch to red and black was later in 1985. 
From what I read somewhere, Dr.Rufford Harrison, the author of this rule was quoted as saying "We considered using two color groups" but then manufacturers chose to go with Red & Black" 

I checked ITTF history webpage & it does say "Two Color Rule" came in 1983 but red & black came only 1985.   Since heavyspin did not quote the year I was mistaken about this. I apologize regardless & I assume he was quoting between 1983 & 1985   
My first tournament was definitely March 1986 and my first opponent played with green and gold. From what I recall the black and red rule went into effect shortly after, like 1987.


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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 8:14am
Table tennis is played with 38 mm ball. Ping pang  - with 40+

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Posted By: acpoulos
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 11:39am
Originally posted by CoachMcAfee CoachMcAfee wrote:

Won my first Open Men's Singles Title (1968 Orlando Summer Open) using a Siga Blade with green Cobra rubbers on both sides.  The green Cobra was quite thin sponge and the red Cobra was the thicker sponge.  


I remember reading my Table Tennis Topics newsletters and how Orlando was becoming a table tennis center under Fred "H" Blair's leadership.

Meanwhile, I was playing with a Ken Kasten paddle (as did Danny Pecora, one of my mentors) and green Butterfly inverted. Kasten would have a few dozen sheets and I would go through them and pick the ones with the thickest sponge. I got good enough (despite being in Milwaukee) to win the US Open junior men's doubles with Mike Peterlein, get appointed to the junior team, and get to the 16th's in Men's singles at the US Open (losing to the great Gusikoff in 4).

Then Stiga came out with the Erlich racket, and we all switched. Everyone used carbon tetrachloride to clean the rubber. Talk about grip and spin!

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Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 11:52am
My first tournament was 1983 (Mississippi Open-Starkville). I was surprised to see some paddles there with black rubber on one side and red on the other. 


Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 6:12pm
Good stories
My year going to a club was in 1976  I did play at home before that
I had a great time using a premade bat
 When I was going home the club Manager came up to me and said hmmm..... hay we don't wear white because of the ball colour, I had a white shirt, white shorts, white socks and white sand-shoes.
I had no idea, I thought it would be like Tennis hahaha, I still remind others about wearing white almost weekly
 The next week I got told that I couldn't have decals on the rubbers
I used only two different bats for the next 14 years without ever changing the rubbers
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Posted By: dina_arif
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 8:45pm
Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

  My first tournament was definitely March 1986 and my first opponent played with green and gold. From what I recall the black and red rule went into effect shortly after, like 1987.

If you look at the ITTF history webpage it says two color rule came in 1983 but re & black only came in 1986. I think lot pf players including me did not know the rule change or pretending or protesting in 1986.




Posted By: dina_arif
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

 When I was going home the club Manager came up to me and said hmmm..... hay we don't wear white because of the ball colour, I had a white shirt, white shorts, white socks and white sand-shoes.
Maori club I presume ? Ouch

Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

I thought it would be like Tennis hahaha,

U mean more like (test) cricket ? 

I think they started using colors already in tennis by 80's if I am not mistaken


Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 08/16/2019 at 9:13pm
Originally posted by dina_arif dina_arif wrote:

Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

  My first tournament was definitely March 1986 and my first opponent played with green and gold. From what I recall the black and red rule went into effect shortly after, like 1987.

If you look at the ITTF history webpage it says two color rule came in 1983 but re & black only came in 1986. I think lot pf players including me did not know the rule change or pretending or protesting in 1986.




Yes, there was a gap. Originally it was thought that just any two colors would be fine. But, given human nature, many players were picking black and deep maroon, which was extremely hard to differentiate (but technically legal). So we finally arrived at red and black.


Posted By: 1dennistt
Date Posted: 08/17/2019 at 9:43am
Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

Originally posted by dina_arif dina_arif wrote:

Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

  My first tournament was definitely March 1986 and my first opponent played with green and gold. From what I recall the black and red rule went into effect shortly after, like 1987.

If you look at the ITTF history webpage it says two color rule came in 1983 but re & black only came in 1986. I think lot pf players including me did not know the rule change or pretending or protesting in 1986.




Yes, there was a gap. Originally it was thought that just any two colors would be fine. But, given human nature, many players were picking black and deep maroon, which was extremely hard to differentiate (but technically legal). So we finally arrived at red and black.

Wasn't it called "bright" red?  The idea was to discourage a dark blue or black sponge under a translucent red topsheet, which would defeat the purpose of having a red topsheet.


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Posted By: dina_arif
Date Posted: 08/17/2019 at 10:09am
Dr. Rufford Harrison said (explaining the differences between black & red rubbers) one was a dye & one was a pigment (forgot which was which) . This may have changed over 30 years and both colors may be now available in both pigments & dyes .

Why is all this red & black discussed in a thread about 38 mm ball anyway? 
Prim & proper Aussies like Tassie52 & HaggisV may have a heart attack if you violate forum etiquette like this hijacking threads  


Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 08/22/2019 at 3:28am
It seems we are overwhelmingly experienced Clap

Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

I did play with 38mm balls and still have a dozen.

I have 16 different 38mm balls. All counted in my xls LOL:

1 BERY 201
2 BERY 202
3 Butterfly
4 CPORT (soviet union)
5 CPORT (soviet union) 8 kp
6 Crenpkona Vietnam
7 Double Circles
8 Kettler One Star
9 Milano (India)
10 Nittaku
11 Nameless plastic(?) shit
12 Rovera
13 SHIELD -38mm x3vnt
14 Another nameless plastic shit
15 TTC China
16 Vietnam 01



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Posted By: rcgldr
Date Posted: 08/22/2019 at 4:48am
Brands of 38 mm that I recall:

Barna - hard ball with rough surface
Halex - average ball (I have a box of 6 of these still)
Nittaku - average ball
Peace - soft ball with very smooth surface
Schildkrot - hard ball with rough surface



Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 08/22/2019 at 10:00am
Originally posted by rcgldr rcgldr wrote:

Brands of 38 mm that I recall:

Barna - hard ball with rough surface
Halex - average ball (I have a box of 6 of these still)
Nittaku - average ball
Peace - soft ball with very smooth surface
Schildkrot - hard ball with rough surface

 
These are all accurate reviews. Our favorite balls were Nittaku, very consistent and high quality control.
Halex were also high quality, but so light and soft it was hard to get any feedback.
Schildkrot, so hard, afraid of injuring the rubber.


Posted By: acpoulos
Date Posted: 08/22/2019 at 10:11am
Barna was kinda the gold standard

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Posted By: julidean79
Date Posted: 08/22/2019 at 12:22pm
A long time ago.... i use double circle balls for training.... nittaku 3 star for tournaments and league matches

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