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Topic: Lily and the 2020 Olympics
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Subject: Lily and the 2020 Olympics
Date Posted: 09/10/2019 at 8:37am
Hi,

Now that we have Lily winning the Pan Am Games Women's Singles title (as well as the three other golds), in addition to being the U.S. Champion, does this alter the perspective on the qualification prospects for the next Olympics?

Thanks,


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 09/10/2019 at 9:04am
Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Now that we have Lily winning the Pan Am Games Women's Singles title (as well as the three other golds), in addition to being the U.S. Champion, does this alter the perspective on the qualification prospects for the next Olympics?

Thanks,

A lot will come down to the World rankings if they keep the current Olympics game team/singles qualification criteria.  But if they change the criteria, it might be one tournament in California or Vegas.

For me actually, the most interesting problem is how well Amy Wang plays doubles if she makes the team.


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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 09/10/2019 at 9:47am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Now that we have Lily winning the Pan Am Games Women's Singles title (as well as the three other golds), in addition to being the U.S. Champion, does this alter the perspective on the qualification prospects for the next Olympics?

Thanks,

A lot will come down to the World rankings if they keep the current Olympics game team/singles qualification criteria.  But if they change the criteria, it might be one tournament in California or Vegas.

For me actually, the most interesting problem is how well Amy Wang plays doubles if she makes the team.

Thanks.

With her recent results, Amy Wang is our shooting star in singles.  When Rachel Sung beat Amy at the last Olympic trials, I saw Rachel as the "Next Big Thing."  I was wrong in that prediction.

If we look at the top line up of the U.S. women, we have Liu Juan, Lily, Jennifer, Crystal, and Amy.  Now, I put Amy third on this list.  This is impressive indeed.

Your concern concerning Amy's doubles is a point well taken.

Thanks again,


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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/10/2019 at 10:32am
Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Now that we have Lily winning the Pan Am Games Women's Singles title (as well as the three other golds), in addition to being the U.S. Champion, does this alter the perspective on the qualification prospects for the next Olympics?

Thanks,

A lot will come down to the World rankings if they keep the current Olympics game team/singles qualification criteria.  But if they change the criteria, it might be one tournament in California or Vegas.

For me actually, the most interesting problem is how well Amy Wang plays doubles if she makes the team.

Thanks.

With her recent results, Amy Wang is our shooting star in singles.  When Rachel Sung beat Amy at the last Olympic trials, I saw Rachel as the "Next Big Thing."  I was wrong in that prediction.

If we look at the top line up of the U.S. women, we have Liu Juan, Lily, Jennifer, Crystal, and Amy.  Now, I put Amy third on this list.  This is impressive indeed.

Your concern concerning Amy's doubles is a point well taken.

Thanks again,
Things are starting to get really interesting in the World Ranking race between Wu Yue and Lily Zhang.  Here is my calculation for 2019 rankings points for each:

WU Yue
2019 - ITTF World Tour, Hungarian Open, Budapest (HUN)  World_Tour      360
    2019 - ITTF-Panam Cup, Guaynabo (PUR)   Continental Champs_Cup          1170
    I believe only one result can be used between Pan Am Cup/Championship according
    to the 2019 ITTF World Ranking Regulation (someone please correct me if I'm wrong):
3.6. Maximum one continental event counts out of the singles continental championships, team continental championships and continental cup for seniors.
    2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus, Portugal Open, Lisbon (POR) Challenge Plus  220 (not top 8)
2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus, Oman Open, Muscat (OMA) Challenge Plus      330
2019 - ITTF Challenge, Slovenia Open, Otocec (SLO)  Challenge           255
2019 - ITTF Challenge, Croatia Open, Zagreb (CRO)   Challenge           340
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, Qatar Open, Doha (QAT) Platinum        450
2019 - World Table Tennis Championships, Budapest (HUN) WTTC            900
2019 - Pan American Games, Lima (PER)   Continental Games               930
2019 - ITTF Pan American Championships, Asuncion (PAR)                  1170
                                                                        ====
                                                                        4735
ZHANG Lily
2019 - ITTF World Tour, Hungarian Open, Budapest (HUN)  World_Tour      270
    2019 - ITTF-Panam Cup, Guaynabo (PUR)   Continental Champs_Cup          900
    (superseded by Pan Am Champs result)
2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus, Portugal Open, Lisbon (POR) Challenge Plus  330
2019 - ITTF Challenge, Spanish Open, Guadalajara (ESP)  Challenge       170
2019 - World Table Tennis Championships, Budapest (HUN) WTTC            600
2019 - ITTF Challenge, Slovenia Open, Otocec (SLO)  Challenge           425
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, Japan Open, Sapporo (JPN)  Platinum    450
2019 - Pan American Games, Lima (PER)   Continental Games               665
2019 - ITTF Pan American Championships, Asuncion (PAR)                  1800
                                                                        ====
                                                                        4710

China gave Lily a Wild Card for the 2019 Women's World Cup so that changed everything!  There's a very real possibility now that Lily will surpass Wu Yue in the ranking race. What's also going to be interesting is how many matches each player is going to get to play at the World Team Cup in November.  Each win is worth 250 points.  



Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/10/2019 at 3:52pm
Here's an interesting what-if scenario to think about.  We all know that Juan Liu is the best female player in the USA, right?  The most likely scenario is that Juan Liu wins the trials, either Wu Yue or Lily get in by ranking, and the loser of the two has to compete on discretionary selection with Amy.

However, let's say Lily Zhang makes the team by beating out Wu Yue in the rankings race.  Now what if Juan Liu get's injured just prior to the Olympic Trials and Amy Wang wins the Olympic Trials.  Do you now select Juan Liu or Wu Yue as the 3rd player?  Juan Liu is clearly a far better player than Wu Yue, and I might even go as far as saying if everything turned out in her perfectly in her favor, she has a shot at Bronze.  Most players would not be terribly familiar with her style and that may cause problems for them not to mention she's a 2700 level player.  You add in the pressure of the Olympics and anything can happen.  OTOH, Wu Yue clearly has most of the bullet points listed in discretionary selection.  Though you can still justify Juan Liu based on her dominant result at the last Adult Ranking Tournament.  You could swap Wu Yue and Lily Zhang but the conundrum would be the same.  And as NextLevel mentioned above, we don't even know if USATT will keep the current selection criteria.  Interesting times.


Posted By: mentortt
Date Posted: 09/10/2019 at 4:04pm
Juan Liu will be US only chance in women tt top 16. I don't think anyone else has any chances to beat China and Japan players in olympics. True, Lily , Yue or Amy has good ittf ranking in Pan Am events. But can they beat chinese or japanese good players? I don't think so.  For men's side, it will be even worse. kanak cannot win top 32 players recently. I don't think they have any chances at all.


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/10/2019 at 4:52pm
Juan Liu has not seen World competition for a very long time, i would group her in with "she's a very good American female player" now.

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Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 09/10/2019 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Juan Liu has not seen World competition for a very long time, i would group her in with "she's a very good American female player" now.


You know who has seen world competition? Ricardo Walther, a top 50 mens player in the world, who she played very respectably. Daniel Gorak, a French and Euro league player who she beat. He Zhiwen, who she beat. Lily and Wu Yue, who she beat comfortably. She clearly has the pedigree, no need to overthink this.


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 09/10/2019 at 6:00pm
Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Juan Liu has not seen World competition for a very long time, i would group her in with "she's a very good American female player" now.


You know who has seen world competition? Ricardo Walther, a top 50 mens player in the world, who she played very respectably. Daniel Gorak, a French and Euro league player who she beat. He Zhiwen, who she beat. Lily and Wu Yue, who she beat comfortably. She clearly has the pedigree, no need to overthink this.
She won the 2018 US Open as well.


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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 12:22am
Bronze? R16? Making the main draw is already an achievement.

Getting past Hong Kong, South Korea, and/or North Korea is out of the question. Not even Romania and Germany.

As weak as the field is right now, you still need tons of luck with the draw and lots of upsets.

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 8:15am
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Bronze? R16? Making the main draw is already an achievement.

Getting past Hong Kong, South Korea, and/or North Korea is out of the question. Not even Romania and Germany.

As weak as the field is right now, you still need tons of luck with the draw and lots of upsets.

I understand where you are coming from but Juan Liu is strong enough to get two matches vs most of those teams.  It all depends on whether Lily or Jennifer or Amy can get one.


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Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 8:46am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Juan Liu has not seen World competition for a very long time, i would group her in with "she's a very good American female player" now.


You know who has seen world competition? Ricardo Walther, a top 50 mens player in the world, who she played very respectably. Daniel Gorak, a French and Euro league player who she beat. He Zhiwen, who she beat. Lily and Wu Yue, who she beat comfortably. She clearly has the pedigree, no need to overthink this.
She won the 2018 US Open as well.

like i said and you're both pointing out, "a very good American female player" ;)


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Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 10:09am
Seems like an arbitrary criticism, what about her makes you think she won’t be successful at the international women’s level? Does she have some tendency to fold under pressure you’ve noticed? You think she isn’t experienced enough? Or are you just throwing out some generality about “international experience” despite her skill level being right up there?


Posted By: mentortt
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 10:18am
My memory that he only supports Canada players, for example Eugene Wang or Mo Zhang. I saw part Mo Zhang vs Lily Zhang's game. Mo looks frustrated and has no chance from her face.


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 10:55am
Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Now that we have Lily winning the Pan Am Games Women's Singles title (as well as the three other golds), in addition to being the U.S. Champion, does this alter the perspective on the qualification prospects for the next Olympics?

Thanks,

Lily won the Pan Am Championships, not the Pan Am Games.


Posted By: jackwong23
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Bronze? R16? Making the main draw is already an achievement.

Getting past Hong Kong, South Korea, and/or North Korea is out of the question. Not even Romania and Germany.

As weak as the field is right now, you still need tons of luck with the draw and lots of upsets.

I understand where you are coming from but Juan Liu is strong enough to get two matches vs most of those teams.  It all depends on whether Lily or Jennifer or Amy can get one.

I think team USA can beat any team out there 
except China, Japan and  South Korea. 


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 12:55pm
some people have a difficult time NOT reading too much into a simple statement and then choose to add their own opinions into that simple statement


yes i do support only Canada players...like Dan Seemiller but wait did he change citizenship?

Juan Liu is a "GOOD AMERICAN FEMALE TT Player" let's see how you read into that again? Disapprove


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Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 1:00pm
It’s not people reading into it too much, perhaps your lack of writing skills - your post clearly insinuates that, for reasons unstated, Liu Juan would not be successful against international competition. 


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 1:27pm
Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

It’s not people reading into it too much, perhaps your lack of writing skills - your post clearly insinuates that, for reasons unstated, Liu Juan would not be successful against international competition. 

would you like to quote that "insinuation" then read it a few times before getting too defensive of a "simple statement"

you know when you "attack" someone based on misreading a "simple statement" is  a sign of ...maybe you'd like to finish that statement too? since you seem to have a better grasp of my first language?


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Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 1:35pm
Alright, since you aren’t trying to imply anything else, thank you for your valuable contribution to the conversation. 

Ma Long is a very good Chinese player. 


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 2:28pm
ending a "discussion with an insult" is very "big of you" shows maturity in your character...yes i do agreed Ma Long is a very good Chinese TT player.

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Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 3:08pm
Not sure why you feel so victimized - if you really weren’t trying to imply anything else in your initial post then I think we can agree it was a pretty pointless contribution to the discussion - clearly stating the obvious. If there was something else you were trying to say with the post, then feel free to elaborate. 

If English is your first language and you can’t see why your post was interpreted by several people to mean you doubt Liu Juan’s chances of international success, then...


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/12/2019 at 10:19am
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Bronze? R16? Making the main draw is already an achievement.

Getting past Hong Kong, South Korea, and/or North Korea is out of the question. Not even Romania and Germany.

As weak as the field is right now, you still need tons of luck with the draw and lots of upsets.
Just to clarify, I'm saying there's the possibility of going one step further than what USA's Wang Chen did in 2008 (QF). If fortunate enough not to meet China early and a good draw, she would have to beat someone like Miu Hirano or Kasumi to get to a semifinal ensuring at least a shot at bronze. And let's not forget that Juan Liu is a very experienced ex-CNT player. No one heard of Kim Hyang Mi before she won a silver medal in singles at the 2004 Athens Olympics. Even though the probability is low, surprises do happen.


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 09/12/2019 at 10:53am
To be honest, I don't see much chance for Juan Liu either. 

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Posted By: mentortt
Date Posted: 09/12/2019 at 11:07am
Agree. I hope Juan Liu can play Kanak or Nikil to see if she is 2700 level or not.
USATT rating is much more accurate than ITTF ranking. 

Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

To be honest, I don't see much chance for Juan Liu either. 


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/12/2019 at 11:08am
Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Now that we have Lily winning the Pan Am Games Women's Singles title (as well as the three other golds), in addition to being the U.S. Champion, does this alter the perspective on the qualification prospects for the next Olympics?

Thanks,

Before the OP's thread got jacked as usual 🥴

Lily is consistently in the top 3 in USA and top 5 in NA, she will/should make the team unless she gets "upset" by the likes of an Amy or Crystal but your question will be answered in a few weeks from now.


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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/12/2019 at 11:21am
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Now that we have Lily winning the Pan Am Games Women's Singles title (as well as the three other golds), in addition to being the U.S. Champion, does this alter the perspective on the qualification prospects for the next Olympics?

Thanks,

Before the OP's thread got jacked as usual 🥴

Lily is consistently in the top 3 in USA and top 5 in NA, she will/should make the team unless she gets "upset" by the likes of an Amy or Crystal but your question will be answered in a few weeks from now.
Are you referring to the North American Team Trial to be held on October 5?  That's a USA vs. Canada who gets to qualify a team trial (... no individual player gets a spot on an Olympic team for USA).  That's a few weeks away.  The USA Olympic Trial (which is what it is called if USA wins the teams) will be on Feb 28, 2020 (more than a few weeks away).
 



Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 9:00am
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Now that we have Lily winning the Pan Am Games Women's Singles title (as well as the three other golds), in addition to being the U.S. Champion, does this alter the perspective on the qualification prospects for the next Olympics?

Thanks,

Before the OP's thread got jacked as usual 🥴

Lily is consistently in the top 3 in USA and top 5 in NA, she will/should make the team unless she gets "upset" by the likes of an Amy or Crystal but your question will be answered in a few weeks from now.
Are you referring to the North American Team Trial to be held on October 5?  That's a USA vs. Canada who gets to qualify a team trial (... no individual player gets a spot on an Olympic team for USA).  That's a few weeks away.  The USA Olympic Trial (which is what it is called if USA wins the teams) will be on Feb 28, 2020 (more than a few weeks away).
 


i am going by this...

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://www.teamusa.org/-/media/USA_Table_Tennis/Images/News/04-19/How-to-Make-the-2020-United-States-Olympic-Table-Tennis-Team-draft-v2-04-07-2019.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://www.teamusa.org/-/media/USA_Table_Tennis/Images/News/04-19/How-to-Make-the-2020-United-States-Olympic-Table-Tennis-Team-draft-v2-04-07-2019.pdf


"We can send a full team of three athletes, either men or women or both, by winning the 2019
ITTF North American Olympic Team Qualification (October 5, 2019) or through the 2020 ITTF
World Team Qualification (January 21-26, 2020). The first is likely easier, because all we have
to do is beat Canada in a team match. That’s not to dismiss Canada, only to say that the second
qualification event will include every other country in the world that doesn’t have a full team
yet. So we could do this either way, beating Canada or taking on a bunch of other countries for
a limited number of extra team positions the ITTF will offer."




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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 9:36am
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Now that we have Lily winning the Pan Am Games Women's Singles title (as well as the three other golds), in addition to being the U.S. Champion, does this alter the perspective on the qualification prospects for the next Olympics?

Thanks,

Before the OP's thread got jacked as usual 🥴

Lily is consistently in the top 3 in USA and top 5 in NA, she will/should make the team unless she gets "upset" by the likes of an Amy or Crystal but your question will be answered in a few weeks from now.
Are you referring to the North American Team Trial to be held on October 5?  That's a USA vs. Canada who gets to qualify a team trial (... no individual player gets a spot on an Olympic team for USA).  That's a few weeks away.  The USA Olympic Trial (which is what it is called if USA wins the teams) will be on Feb 28, 2020 (more than a few weeks away).
 


i am going by this...

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://www.teamusa.org/-/media/USA_Table_Tennis/Images/News/04-19/How-to-Make-the-2020-United-States-Olympic-Table-Tennis-Team-draft-v2-04-07-2019.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://www.teamusa.org/-/media/USA_Table_Tennis/Images/News/04-19/How-to-Make-the-2020-United-States-Olympic-Table-Tennis-Team-draft-v2-04-07-2019.pdf


"We can send a full team of three athletes, either men or women or both, by winning the 2019
ITTF North American Olympic Team Qualification (October 5, 2019) or through the 2020 ITTF
World Team Qualification (January 21-26, 2020). The first is likely easier, because all we have
to do is beat Canada in a team match. That’s not to dismiss Canada, only to say that the second
qualification event will include every other country in the world that doesn’t have a full team
yet. So we could do this either way, beating Canada or taking on a bunch of other countries for
a limited number of extra team positions the ITTF will offer."


Right, that emphasizes what I mentioned above.  If we beat Canada, we get to send a full team of three to the Olympics, but it does not guarantee Lily(Edit: or anyone else for that matter) a spot on the team which is what is in question.


Posted By: ttforlife
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 9:45am
How is the team that will play against Canada decided? Has it been decided already?


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 10:01am
Originally posted by ttforlife ttforlife wrote:

How is the team that will play against Canada decided? Has it been decided already?
Don't know, but I think for the women, any combination of Juan Liu, Lily Zhang, Amy Wang, Wu Yue, and Crystal Wang would win over Canada.  The men will be a tougher to decide... obviously Kanak will be there.  Kai and Nikhil should be there.  But I want to reiterate that playing at the Team Trials in October does not guarantee a place on the team.  If we keep the current selection procedure, it's: highest world ranking, winner of the Singles Trial on Feb 28 2020, and discretionary selection.


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 10:02am
Originally posted by ttforlife ttforlife wrote:

How is the team that will play against Canada decided? Has it been decided already?

  • North American Team Qualification, Rockford, Illinois (USA): 5 Oct


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Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 10:10am
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by ttforlife ttforlife wrote:

How is the team that will play against Canada decided? Has it been decided already?
Don't know, but I think for the women, any combination of Juan Liu, Lily Zhang, Amy Wang, Wu Yue, and Crystal Wang would win over Canada.  The men will be a tougher to decide... obviously Kanak will be there.  Kai and Nikhil should be there.  But I want to reiterate that playing at the Team Trials in October does not guarantee a place on the team.  If we keep the current selection procedure, it's: highest world ranking, winner of the Singles Trial on Feb 28 2020, and discretionary selection.

USA's women team will win over the Canadians, Canadian men's team have Eugene but i think Kai this time around has a good shot at him, Jeremy is somewhat of an unknown right now **i'd say 50/50, Marko has not proven himself in competition against the USA recently.

i would think USATT would send for the women's team Lily, Wu and Juan at TEAMS...then there will be openings for Crystal, Amy and the other Amy at "Singles Qualification" and "Mixed Dbls"...you can also add Rachel Sung into the mix.


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Posted By: ttforlife
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 10:11am
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Originally posted by ttforlife ttforlife wrote:

How is the team that will play against Canada decided? Has it been decided already?

  • North American Team Qualification, Rockford, Illinois (USA): 5 Oct

Is this not the event of USA vs Canada? I'm curious how the USA team is decided that will be able to play in this event.


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 10:13am
...sorry i posted my opinions too slow it's above your post


**your current HPD Sean could also change up the process so, there's that too to be confused about.


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 11:38am
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by ttforlife ttforlife wrote:

How is the team that will play against Canada decided? Has it been decided already?
Don't know, but I think for the women, any combination of Juan Liu, Lily Zhang, Amy Wang, Wu Yue, and Crystal Wang would win over Canada.  The men will be a tougher to decide... obviously Kanak will be there.  Kai and Nikhil should be there.  But I want to reiterate that playing at the Team Trials in October does not guarantee a place on the team.  If we keep the current selection procedure, it's: highest world ranking, winner of the Singles Trial on Feb 28 2020, and discretionary selection.

USA's women team will win over the Canadians, Canadian men's team have Eugene but i think Kai this time around has a good shot at him, Jeremy is somewhat of an unknown right now **i'd say 50/50, Marko has not proven himself in competition against the USA recently.

i would think USATT would send for the women's team Lily, Wu and Juan at TEAMS...then there will be openings for Crystal, Amy and the other Amy at "Singles Qualification" and "Mixed Dbls"...you can also add Rachel Sung into the mix.

Since teams is a best of 5, Canada needs three matches.  Even if Eugene wins 2, Canada will still struggle to get another 1 as Hazin is not beating Kanak or Nikhil.  And the US is getting reinforcements too, as Xin Zhou and Jishan Liang will be in the mix given that this is an Olympics cycle.  I just don't see what Canada really has an option here.


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Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 3:31pm
I agreed Nextlevel, we (Canada) don't even stand a chance at mix doubles teams. As much as i support my Canadians, the REALITY is we cannot compete against the Americans ...the "politics" here is even worse than the USA's and we're not even choosing from a talent pool as vast as America's.


that said, i will still support and cheer on my fellow Canadians.

One thing i want to add and it's going to most likely start again... Wink

Juan Liu, it was unfair/callous of me to name her to "The Team" earlier because she is fairly new to the USATT rankings not based on her abilities but "timing of reintroduction of her competing again"...just selecting by the USATT ranking list she should not be on any team unless by a committee (made up of whomever is deemed knowledable) selection or by a team trial event(s).

I say that because there are others who have worked extremely hard and their parents have put in LOADS of money to get them there, so regardless of abilities and if solely based on rankings...she should not be an "automatic pick" and go thru a trial event(s) to be selected.


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Posted By: mentortt
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 3:47pm
Here it comes again. First he claims he has no meaning behind his sentence. Then he self-corrects his inside meaning. He now says Juan is good player, but not a qualified player. Do you know why she didn't play this year's National? She thought she was unqualified so no interest to join games. Last year, she said clearly that she wants to join olympics when she won both US national and US open.Then ITTF rules changed her qualification. Then she starts to play. There is a whole article about that. 

By USATT rating, she is highest women player in US, only below two national male players.Why not? Olympics is not selecting person who spent most money. The best player in the country should go. 

ITTF ranking is a joke. Basically if you have money, joined so many ITTF events. You can reach top 100 eventually. But a lot of regular person don't have money. Even they are good, but they don't have any ITTF ranking.


Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:


Juan Liu, it was unfair/callous of me to name her to "The Team" earlier because she is fairly new to the USATT rankings not based on her abilities but "timing of reintroduction of her competing again"...just selecting by the USATT ranking list she should not be on any team unless by a committee (made up of whomever is deemed knowledable) selection or by a team trial event(s).

I say that because there are others who have worked extremely hard and their parents have put in LOADS of money to get them there, so regardless of abilities and if solely based on rankings...she should not be an "automatic pick" and go thru a trial event(s) to be selected.


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

Here it comes again. First he claims he has no meaning behind his sentence. Then he self-corrects his inside meaning. He now says Juan is good player, but not a qualified player. Do you know why she didn't play this year's National? She thought she was unqualified so no interest to join games. Last year, she said clearly that she wants to join olympics when she won both US national and US open.Then ITTF rules changed her qualification. Then she starts to play. There is a whole article about that. 

By USATT rating, she is highest women player in US, only below two national male players.Why not? Olympics is not selecting person who spent most money. The best player in the country should go. 

ITTF ranking is a joke. Basically if you have money, joined so many ITTF events. You can reach top 100 eventually. But a lot of regular person don't have money. Even they are good, but they don't have any ITTF ranking.


Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:


Juan Liu, it was unfair/callous of me to name her to "The Team" earlier because she is fairly new to the USATT rankings not based on her abilities but "timing of reintroduction of her competing again"...just selecting by the USATT ranking list she should not be on any team unless by a committee (made up of whomever is deemed knowledable) selection or by a team trial event(s).

I say that because there are others who have worked extremely hard and their parents have put in LOADS of money to get them there, so regardless of abilities and if solely based on rankings...she should not be an "automatic pick" and go thru a trial event(s) to be selected.

i was referring the my post at 10:10am but i urge you to re-read what i posted (in here again) before getting mad at me for...??? I have not changed my mind on anything except for mentioning her "as part of the team to be at Teams  Also the rankings i am referring to are the USATT's Confused

I also did not say she should not be part of the TeamClap

this is the current TTTeam USA female National group, Juan Li is not in there
  https://www.teamusa.org/usa-table-tennis/team-usa/2019-ttteamusa-female-national-team-group" rel="nofollow - https://www.teamusa.org/usa-table-tennis/team-usa/2019-ttteamusa-female-national-team-group


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Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 09/13/2019 at 4:14pm
I am neither for or against any player, just like some of you trying to make sense of the selection process but apparently some of you have something to gain by getting angry at me for favouring/not favouring a player. This thread is about Lily or did i read the headings wrong?

This is all i have to say ...this thread is just polluted with people with personal feelings to certain players and clearly do not want to discuss Lily's route to the Olympics...you know you can start your own thread.


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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/14/2019 at 12:16am
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

I am neither for or against any player, just like some of you trying to make sense of the selection process but apparently some of you have something to gain by getting angry at me for favouring/not favouring a player. This thread is about Lily or did i read the headings wrong?

This is all i have to say ...this thread is just polluted with people with personal feelings to certain players and clearly do not want to discuss Lily's route to the Olympics...you know you can start your own thread.
I'd say Lily's chances are quite good.  She's the 2nd highest USATT rated female player in the USA.  I've already detailed her http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86731&PID=1077329&title=lily-and-the-2020-olympics#1077329" rel="nofollow - race with Wu Yue for highest world ranking in this thread .  And if it comes down to discretionary selection, she's the winner of the Pan Am Championships, was a quarter finalist at the Slovenia Open and did better than Wu Yue at the Adult Ranking tournament.  So I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing Lily in Tokyo.


Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 09/14/2019 at 3:04pm
I think everything depends on the selection criteria they use.  If they go with the current method of highest international rating, win the trials and coaches pick then it might be tough.  Wu Yue will have the highest international rating.  Li Juan, baring some miracle, should win the trials unless some dark horse comes out of the woodwork which probably won't happen.  Then there is the coach's pick.  I think Amy beat Lily they last time they played and Amy is younger so maybe they go with Amy. 

If they changes the selection and the top 3 in the trials go to the Olympics, I think he chances for making the team are better.  Li Juan will probably win the first spot on day one.  Lily would have really good odds on winning day two or day three.  It is hard to envision a scenario where she has two off days and doesn't win on one of those days.  


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/14/2019 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

I think everything depends on the selection criteria they use.  If they go with the current method of highest international rating, win the trials and coaches pick then it might be tough.  Wu Yue will have the highest international rating.  Li Juan, baring some miracle, should win the trials unless some dark horse comes out of the woodwork which probably won't happen.  Then there is the coach's pick.  I think Amy beat Lily they last time they played and Amy is younger so maybe they go with Amy. 

If they changes the selection and the top 3 in the trials go to the Olympics, I think he chances for making the team are better.  Li Juan will probably win the first spot on day one.  Lily would have really good odds on winning day two or day three.  It is hard to envision a scenario where she has two off days and doesn't win on one of those days.  
Lily is within 25 points of Jennifer if you look at only 2019.  Remember that the 2018 points will have expired by the time they make the selection. So if Lily makes a good push to the finish line, she definitely can win the world ranking race. Discretionary selection is not just one head to head match. International results matter(Lily has the advantage here over everyone)  and the trials results do as well.


Posted By: mentortt
Date Posted: 09/15/2019 at 10:37am
Lily has great chance to be selected. I think Amy Wang has little chance to be selected. Basically only 3 out of 4 potential candidates (Juan, Lily, Jeniffer and Amy) can be selected. Hope selection will be open and fair and only best players go to olympics.


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/15/2019 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

Lily has great chance to be selected. I think Amy Wang has little chance to be selected. Basically only 3 out of 4 potential candidates (Juan, Lily, Jeniffer and Amy) can be selected. Hope selection will be open and fair and only best players go to olympics.
If Wu Yue wins the world ranking race, then yes, Amy has little chance.  If Lily wins the ranking race, then Amy has a decent case for being selected.  She did better than Wu Yue at the Adult ranking tournament (one of the discretionary selection criteria) ... 4-2 vs. 3-3 respectively.  Looking at Wu Yue's 2019 results, I don't see anything impressive other than her win vs. Bruna Takahashi at the Pan Am Cup.  Amy has a win over future Chinese star Kuai Man and had FTW on the ropes at the WTTC.


Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 10:00am
Liu Juan beat Yijun Feng in the finals at Westchester this weekend, 3-1.

A very good American player.


Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 11:12am
Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Liu Juan beat Yijun Feng in the finals at Westchester this weekend, 3-1.

A very good American player.

So liu juan is basically earning $2,000 a month and working one day.  Who says you can't make a living playing table tennis in america?  All she needs are more 4* events.  


Posted By: Ttunderthesun21
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 11:18am
She has been on fire! 3 in a row!

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Posted By: wilkinru
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 11:34am
Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Liu Juan beat Yijun Feng in the finals at Westchester this weekend, 3-1.

A very good American player.

So liu juan is basically earning $2,000 a month and working one day.  Who says you can't make a living playing table tennis in america?  All she needs are more 4* events.  


Is prize money taxed? Also I am looking forward to the video.


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Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 11:36am
Tom is also one of those very good American players too...but i doubt he trains as hard anymore (use to travel to China) since starting higher learning and all.




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Posted By: kyle90
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 12:30pm
Tom appears to be training seriously again. He was selected to play in the World Team Cup which is in a month. 

Liu Juan has won the last 6 tournaments (with singles events) she’s interested (3x Westchester, National Ranking Tournament, US Open, and US Nationals). It would be a huge mistake if she isn’t selected for a singles spot in the Olympics.


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 1:33pm
Does he still go to China for training?

Sorry OP...we/someone went off topic again Confused



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Posted By: WeebleWobble
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by wilkinru wilkinru wrote:

Is prize money taxed?  

Definitely.  


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 4:32pm
The man who had a hand in shaping her TT future...he is extremely proud - he must have said "kill'em" here and Liliy was like "oh Massie" Tongue





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Posted By: Purett
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 9:59am
Originally posted by WeebleWobble WeebleWobble wrote:

Originally posted by wilkinru wilkinru wrote:

Is prize money taxed?  

Definitely.  

not at westchester


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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 11:13am
Originally posted by Purett Purett wrote:

Originally posted by WeebleWobble WeebleWobble wrote:

Originally posted by wilkinru wilkinru wrote:

Is prize money taxed?  

Definitely.  

not at westchester

Hi,

The technically correct response is: Yes, the prize money is taxable income and it is a legal requirement to declare on one's tax return documents.  The correlated question is whether or not the tournament withholds a tax amount prior to giving the prize money to the winner.  

I do know that in Las Vegas, if you win a lump sum up to or surpassing a certain amount, the casino will withhold a percentage of the winnings.  I do not know if this is a state or federal law governing this.

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Posted By: wilkinru
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 11:32am
I'm sorry, I just wanted to see if BRS was going to make a living at TT. Smile


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Posted By: apacible
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Now that we have Lily winning the Pan Am Games Women's Singles title (as well as the three other golds), in addition to being the U.S. Champion, does this alter the perspective on the qualification prospects for the next Olympics?

Thanks,

A lot will come down to the World rankings if they keep the current Olympics game team/singles qualification criteria.  But if they change the criteria, it might be one tournament in California or Vegas.

For me actually, the most interesting problem is how well Amy Wang plays doubles if she makes the team.

Thanks.

With her recent results, Amy Wang is our shooting star in singles.  When Rachel Sung beat Amy at the last Olympic trials, I saw Rachel as the "Next Big Thing."  I was wrong in that prediction.

If we look at the top line up of the U.S. women, we have Liu Juan, Lily, Jennifer, Crystal, and Amy.  Now, I put Amy third on this list.  This is impressive indeed.

Your concern concerning Amy's doubles is a point well taken.

Thanks again,
Things are starting to get really interesting in the World Ranking race between Wu Yue and Lily Zhang.  Here is my calculation for 2019 rankings points for each:

WU Yue
2019 - ITTF World Tour, Hungarian Open, Budapest (HUN)  World_Tour      360
    2019 - ITTF-Panam Cup, Guaynabo (PUR)   Continental Champs_Cup          1170
    I believe only one result can be used between Pan Am Cup/Championship according
    to the 2019 ITTF World Ranking Regulation (someone please correct me if I'm wrong):
3.6. Maximum one continental event counts out of the singles continental championships, team continental championships and continental cup for seniors.
    2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus, Portugal Open, Lisbon (POR) Challenge Plus  220 (not top 8)
2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus, Oman Open, Muscat (OMA) Challenge Plus      330
2019 - ITTF Challenge, Slovenia Open, Otocec (SLO)  Challenge           255
2019 - ITTF Challenge, Croatia Open, Zagreb (CRO)   Challenge           340
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, Qatar Open, Doha (QAT) Platinum        450
2019 - World Table Tennis Championships, Budapest (HUN) WTTC            900
2019 - Pan American Games, Lima (PER)   Continental Games               930
2019 - ITTF Pan American Championships, Asuncion (PAR)                  1170
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                                                                        4735
ZHANG Lily
2019 - ITTF World Tour, Hungarian Open, Budapest (HUN)  World_Tour      270
    2019 - ITTF-Panam Cup, Guaynabo (PUR)   Continental Champs_Cup          900
    (superseded by Pan Am Champs result)
2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus, Portugal Open, Lisbon (POR) Challenge Plus  330
2019 - ITTF Challenge, Spanish Open, Guadalajara (ESP)  Challenge       170
2019 - World Table Tennis Championships, Budapest (HUN) WTTC            600
2019 - ITTF Challenge, Slovenia Open, Otocec (SLO)  Challenge           425
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, Japan Open, Sapporo (JPN)  Platinum    450
2019 - Pan American Games, Lima (PER)   Continental Games               665
2019 - ITTF Pan American Championships, Asuncion (PAR)                  1800
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                                                                        4710

China gave Lily a Wild Card for the 2019 Women's World Cup so that changed everything!  There's a very real possibility now that Lily will surpass Wu Yue in the ranking race. What's also going to be interesting is how many matches each player is going to get to play at the World Team Cup in November.  Each win is worth 250 points.  


Hey Pongfugrasshopper, thank you very much for outlining the WR race between Lily Zhang and Wu Yue. I and some other are probably interested on how the WR race turns out as the year progresses since it will affect who make the Olympic team and maybe who plays the single event during the Olympics. Based on the USATT Selection procedures, aside from the trials winner and the 3rd member discretionary selection, the one who gets an automatic Olympic spot is the one with the highest WR as of Feb. 2020.
It's also highly possible that USATT chooses the highest World-Ranked American to compete in singles, so it's not just a race for a guaranteed Olympic spot but possibly a race for the other singles spot (assuming Liu Juan is selected for the first singles spot due to her absolute dominance over other USA table tennis players)

I just wanted to highlight that you forgot to include the 2018 World Team Table Tennis Championships results in your calculation. These points won't expire yet by Feb. 2020, so Wu Yue and Lily should get 1220 and 970 points respectively, giving Wu Yue the slight lead in Feb. 2020 ranking.

The upcoming Women's World Cup could be a big turning point. If Lily can make the main draw and Wu Yue doesn't, they would be neck-in-neck again. This scenario is entirely possible given that Lily has a 3/4 chance of getting either Mo Zhang, Dina Meshref, or Adriana Diaz all of whom Lily is capable of beating. 

Let me know you're interested in posting updates regarding the race since you've already started. Smile If not, I could do it too, but the updates might come a bit erratically since I've been a bit busy lately.


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by apacible apacible wrote:

Hey Pongfugrasshopper, thank you very much for outlining the WR race between Lily Zhang and Wu Yue. I and some other are probably interested on how the WR race turns out as the year progresses since it will affect who make the Olympic team and maybe who plays the single event during the Olympics. Based on the USATT Selection procedures, aside from the trials winner and the 3rd member discretionary selection, the one who gets an automatic Olympic spot is the one with the highest WR as of Feb. 2020.
It's also highly possible that USATT chooses the highest World-Ranked American to compete in singles, so it's not just a race for a guaranteed Olympic spot but possibly a race for the other singles spot (assuming Liu Juan is selected for the first singles spot due to her absolute dominance over other USA table tennis players)

I just wanted to highlight that you forgot to include the 2018 World Team Table Tennis Championships results in your calculation. These points won't expire yet by Feb. 2020, so Wu Yue and Lily should get 1220 and 970 points respectively, giving Wu Yue the slight lead in Feb. 2020 ranking.

The upcoming Women's World Cup could be a big turning point. If Lily can make the main draw and Wu Yue doesn't, they would be neck-in-neck again. This scenario is entirely possible given that Lily has a 3/4 chance of getting either Mo Zhang, Dina Meshref, or Adriana Diaz all of whom Lily is capable of beating. 

Let me know you're interested in posting updates regarding the race since you've already started. Smile If not, I could do it too, but the updates might come a bit erratically since I've been a bit busy lately.
Thanks apacible.  I had focused on the 2019 results and forgot about the 2018 WTTTC so you're right.  

Yes, this upcoming WWC is going to be very interesting.  It's going to depend on what draw each will get.  First 8 positions are seeded. Positions 9-12 are the lead players of 4 groups of 3.  From 9-12, that would be: Szocs, Jeon Jihee, Solja, and Samara.  I don't see either player advancing if they're in the same group as JJ.  The rest are very winnable.  

It would be great if you could continue with updates.  If you get too busy, let me know and I can do it.  Looking forward to an exciting race!


Posted By: apacible
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by apacible apacible wrote:

Hey Pongfugrasshopper, thank you very much for outlining the WR race between Lily Zhang and Wu Yue. I and some other are probably interested on how the WR race turns out as the year progresses since it will affect who make the Olympic team and maybe who plays the single event during the Olympics. Based on the USATT Selection procedures, aside from the trials winner and the 3rd member discretionary selection, the one who gets an automatic Olympic spot is the one with the highest WR as of Feb. 2020.
It's also highly possible that USATT chooses the highest World-Ranked American to compete in singles, so it's not just a race for a guaranteed Olympic spot but possibly a race for the other singles spot (assuming Liu Juan is selected for the first singles spot due to her absolute dominance over other USA table tennis players)

I just wanted to highlight that you forgot to include the 2018 World Team Table Tennis Championships results in your calculation. These points won't expire yet by Feb. 2020, so Wu Yue and Lily should get 1220 and 970 points respectively, giving Wu Yue the slight lead in Feb. 2020 ranking.

The upcoming Women's World Cup could be a big turning point. If Lily can make the main draw and Wu Yue doesn't, they would be neck-in-neck again. This scenario is entirely possible given that Lily has a 3/4 chance of getting either Mo Zhang, Dina Meshref, or Adriana Diaz all of whom Lily is capable of beating. 

Let me know you're interested in posting updates regarding the race since you've already started. Smile If not, I could do it too, but the updates might come a bit erratically since I've been a bit busy lately.
Thanks apacible.  I had focused on the 2019 results and forgot about the 2018 WTTTC so you're right.  

Yes, this upcoming WWC is going to be very interesting.  It's going to depend on what draw each will get.  First 8 positions are seeded. Positions 9-12 are the lead players of 4 groups of 3.  From 9-12, that would be: Szocs, Jeon Jihee, Solja, and Samara.  I don't see either player advancing if they're in the same group as JJ.  The rest are very winnable.  

It would be great if you could continue with updates.  If you get too busy, let me know and I can do it.  Looking forward to an exciting race!

Sure! Maybe an update after the World Cup then. Smile Neither Lily nor Wu Yue have to beat any of the 9-12 seeds to advance to the main draw. It's enough to finish 2nd in their respective groups. Seeds 13-16 are Chen Szu-Yu, Meshref, Diaz, and Mo Zhang. Lily has been able to beat the latter two recently, and should be the favorite against Meshref. Wu Yue has beaten Meshref before, but has lost her more recent encounters against Diaz and Mo Zhang. Guess we'll have to wait for the draw.


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by apacible apacible wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by apacible apacible wrote:

Hey Pongfugrasshopper, thank you very much for outlining the WR race between Lily Zhang and Wu Yue. I and some other are probably interested on how the WR race turns out as the year progresses since it will affect who make the Olympic team and maybe who plays the single event during the Olympics. Based on the USATT Selection procedures, aside from the trials winner and the 3rd member discretionary selection, the one who gets an automatic Olympic spot is the one with the highest WR as of Feb. 2020.
It's also highly possible that USATT chooses the highest World-Ranked American to compete in singles, so it's not just a race for a guaranteed Olympic spot but possibly a race for the other singles spot (assuming Liu Juan is selected for the first singles spot due to her absolute dominance over other USA table tennis players)

I just wanted to highlight that you forgot to include the 2018 World Team Table Tennis Championships results in your calculation. These points won't expire yet by Feb. 2020, so Wu Yue and Lily should get 1220 and 970 points respectively, giving Wu Yue the slight lead in Feb. 2020 ranking.

The upcoming Women's World Cup could be a big turning point. If Lily can make the main draw and Wu Yue doesn't, they would be neck-in-neck again. This scenario is entirely possible given that Lily has a 3/4 chance of getting either Mo Zhang, Dina Meshref, or Adriana Diaz all of whom Lily is capable of beating. 

Let me know you're interested in posting updates regarding the race since you've already started. Smile If not, I could do it too, but the updates might come a bit erratically since I've been a bit busy lately.
Thanks apacible.  I had focused on the 2019 results and forgot about the 2018 WTTTC so you're right.  

Yes, this upcoming WWC is going to be very interesting.  It's going to depend on what draw each will get.  First 8 positions are seeded. Positions 9-12 are the lead players of 4 groups of 3.  From 9-12, that would be: Szocs, Jeon Jihee, Solja, and Samara.  I don't see either player advancing if they're in the same group as JJ.  The rest are very winnable.  

It would be great if you could continue with updates.  If you get too busy, let me know and I can do it.  Looking forward to an exciting race!

Sure! Maybe an update after the World Cup then. Smile Neither Lily nor Wu Yue have to beat any of the 9-12 seeds to advance to the main draw. It's enough to finish 2nd in their respective groups. Seeds 13-16 are Chen Szu-Yu, Meshref, Diaz, and Mo Zhang. Lily has been able to beat the latter two recently, and should be the favorite against Meshref. Wu Yue has beaten Meshref before, but has lost her more recent encounters against Diaz and Mo Zhang. Guess we'll have to wait for the draw.
Ah yes, you are right.  Where it *might* matter is that group winners have a better chance at a slightly better draw in the main draw.  I think the only player I can see as being a *potential* 1st round upset is Sofia Polcanova.  Obviously stronger than both Lily and Yue, but I don't think out of reach for Lily if she plays the way she did when she completely dismantled Bruna.


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 6:01pm
Just to reset where we are with the inclusion of the 2018 Team World Cup and Yue's slight gain from the German Open:

WU Yue

2019 - ITTF Challenge, Croatia Open, Zagreb (CRO)               340
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, German Open, Bremen (GER)      340
2019 - ITTF World Tour, Hungarian Open, Budapest (HUN)          360
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, Qatar Open, Doha (QAT)         450
2019 - World Table Tennis Championships, Budapest (HUN)         900
2019 - Pan American Games, Lima (PER) Continental Games         930
2019 - ITTF Pan American Championships, Asuncion (PAR)          1170
2018 - World Team Table Tennis Championships, Halmstad (SWE)    1220

Upcoming Tournaments:
2019 - ITTF Challenge Belarus Open (3rd Seed)
2019 - Women's World Cup
2019 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, Austrian Open, Linz (AUT)
2019 - Team World Cup
2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus North American Open, Markham (CAN)
2020 - ITTF World Tour Platinum, German Open
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                                                                5710


ZHANG Lily

2019 - ITTF World Tour, Hungarian Open, Budapest (HUN)          270
2019 - ITTF Challenge Plus, Portugal Open, Lisbon (POR)         330
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Just FYI, the North American Open does not show Lily as having entered yet (Come on, Lily Smile !!).


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 10/14/2019 at 12:30pm
Lily didn't play in the German league yesterday because of a foot injury. Will she be fit for the World Cup?


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 9:59am
I hope it's not serious.  She was gifted a Wild Card by China for the WWC.  

There's currently a 200 point gap between the two so Lily can surpass Wu Yue in the ranking race if she makes it the main draw (1020 pts) and Wu Yue does not (765 pts).  Her next best shot is at the Austrian Open.  The point differential between main draw and prelims is 225 points (675 vs. 450, respectively).  But what will really be interesting is the Team World Cup.  Each match win is worth 250 points.  How many times is Coach Gao Jun going to play each player?  That could very well decide the ranking race winner.


Posted By: mentortt
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 10:05am
The most likely scenario is both Jeniffer and Lily will lose the first round. So they will get same points. Lily can beat Jeniffer, but not everyone else.

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

I hope it's not serious.  She was gifted a Wild Card by China for the WWC.  

There's currently a 200 point gap between the two so Lily can surpass Wu Yue in the ranking race if she makes it the main draw (1020 pts) and Wu Yue does not (765 pts).  Her next best shot is at the Austrian Open.  The point differential between main draw and prelims is 225 points (675 vs. 450, respectively).  But what will really be interesting is the Team World Cup.  Each match win is worth 250 points.  How many times is Coach Gao Jun going to play each player?  That could very well decide the ranking race winner.


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 10:16am
Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

The most likely scenario is both Jeniffer and Lily will lose the first round. So they will get same points. Lily can beat Jeniffer, but not everyone else.

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

I hope it's not serious.  She was gifted a Wild Card by China for the WWC.  

There's currently a 200 point gap between the two so Lily can surpass Wu Yue in the ranking race if she makes it the main draw (1020 pts) and Wu Yue does not (765 pts).  Her next best shot is at the Austrian Open.  The point differential between main draw and prelims is 225 points (675 vs. 450, respectively).  But what will really be interesting is the Team World Cup.  Each match win is worth 250 points.  How many times is Coach Gao Jun going to play each player?  That could very well decide the ranking race winner.
The first stage is 4 groups of 3 players.  Lily or Jennifer just need to win 1 match to advance into the main draw.  As long as they can avoid Jeon Jihee or Chen Szu Yu, they have a decent chance.  Here are the 12 players that will be grouped:

9   SZOCS Bernadette
10  JEON Jihee
11  SOLJA Petrissa
12  SAMARA Elizabeta
13  CHEN Szu-Yu
14  ZHANG Mo
15  DIAZ Adriana
16  MESHREF Dina
17  WU Yue
18  ZHANG Lily
19  PARTYKA Natalia
20  LAY Jian Fang



Posted By: mentortt
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 10:30am
If you said it is true and grouping decided purely by ranking. Then Wu Yue (17) will group with Bernadette(9) and Dina(16),   Lily(18) will group with Adriana (15) and 10 (Jihee).

I remember Lily lost to Adriana recently. I hope lily won. Based on her current level, she has long time to reach next level.

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

The first stage is 4 groups of 3 players.  Lily or Jennifer just need to win 1 match to advance into the main draw.  As long as they can avoid Jeon Jihee or Chen Szu Yu, they have a decent chance.  Here are the 12 players that will be grouped:

9   SZOCS Bernadette
10  JEON Jihee
11  SOLJA Petrissa
12  SAMARA Elizabeta
13  CHEN Szu-Yu
14  ZHANG Mo
15  DIAZ Adriana
16  MESHREF Dina
17  WU Yue
18  ZHANG Lily
19  PARTYKA Natalia
20  LAY Jian Fang



Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 10:51am
Edit: The highest 8 ranked are already seeded.  The ones below have to go through the group stage.

For the first stage (See https://ittf.cdnomega.com/eu/2019/08/2019_WWC_Prospectus-3.pdf" rel="nofollow - Prospectus ) , there will be a drawing Thursday, Oct. 17 15:30 (Local time, Chengdu) so we shall soon see what the groups will look like.

But Lily is also fully capable of beating Adriana.  She beat Adriana at the ITTF Slovenia Open.  And Lily dominated the Pan Am Championships recently beating Bruna handily.
Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

If you said it is true and grouping decided purely by ranking. Then Wu Yue (17) will group with Bernadette(9) and Dina(16),   Lily(18) will group with Adriana (15) and 10 (Jihee).

I remember Lily lost to Adriana recently. I hope lily won. Based on her current level, she has long time to reach next level.

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

The first stage is 4 groups of 3 players.  Lily or Jennifer just need to win 1 match to advance into the main draw.  As long as they can avoid Jeon Jihee or Chen Szu Yu, they have a decent chance.  Here are the 12 players that will be grouped:

9   SZOCS Bernadette
10  JEON Jihee
11  SOLJA Petrissa
12  SAMARA Elizabeta
13  CHEN Szu-Yu
14  ZHANG Mo
15  DIAZ Adriana
16  MESHREF Dina
17  WU Yue
18  ZHANG Lily
19  PARTYKA Natalia
20  LAY Jian Fang



Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 12:13pm
This is not always true. I think Szocs, Jeon, Solja, Samara and Chen are a level above the rest. Since Lily and Jennifer can't avoid the first 4, it's best if they could avoid Chen, whose group will surely be the toughest..
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

The first stage is 4 groups of 3 players.  Lily or Jennifer just need to win 1 match to advance into the main draw.  As long as they can avoid Jeon Jihee or Chen Szu Yu, they have a decent chance.  Here are the 12 players that will be grouped:

9   SZOCS Bernadette
10  JEON Jihee
11  SOLJA Petrissa
12  SAMARA Elizabeta
13  CHEN Szu-Yu
14  ZHANG Mo
15  DIAZ Adriana
16  MESHREF Dina
17  WU Yue
18  ZHANG Lily
19  PARTYKA Natalia
20  LAY Jian Fang



Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 12:26pm
Top 2 finishers in each group advance (as mentioned by apacible) so you only need 1 win to finish 2nd.  

Samara's level has declined from her heyday though still a good player.  I think Lily is capable of beating Szocs.  I'm just not quite sold on Szocs... maybe because of her exaggerated forehand stroke feels like her recovery is slow.  JJ and CSY are definitely a level above.
Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

This is not always true. I think Szocs, Jeon, Solja, Samara and Chen are a level above the rest. Since Lily and Jennifer can't avoid the first 4, it's best if they could avoid Chen, whose group will surely be the toughest..
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

The first stage is 4 groups of 3 players.  Lily or Jennifer just need to win 1 match to advance into the main draw.  As long as they can avoid Jeon Jihee or Chen Szu Yu, they have a decent chance.  Here are the 12 players that will be grouped:

9   SZOCS Bernadette
10  JEON Jihee
11  SOLJA Petrissa
12  SAMARA Elizabeta
13  CHEN Szu-Yu
14  ZHANG Mo
15  DIAZ Adriana
16  MESHREF Dina
17  WU Yue
18  ZHANG Lily
19  PARTYKA Natalia
20  LAY Jian Fang



Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 3:19pm
You could rank last with one win and one loss LOL
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Top 2 finishers in each group advance (as mentioned by apacible) so you only need 1 win to finish 2nd.  



Posted By: mentortt
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 3:45pm
True. Don't be too optimistic about that.

But no matter what, Lily Zhang is in driver seat to be in olympics team. Wu Yue will get top ranking seat. Juan Liu will get trial seat if everything is expected in next few months. Lily will be the only reasonable candidate for the third olympic player.

Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

You could rank last with one win and one loss LOL
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Top 2 finishers in each group advance (as mentioned by apacible) so you only need 1 win to finish 2nd.  



Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

You could rank last with one win and one loss LOL
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Top 2 finishers in each group advance (as mentioned by apacible) so you only need 1 win to finish 2nd.  

Oh yes.  The 3 way tie but losing out in the tie breaker.  Good point.


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

True. Don't be too optimistic about that.

But no matter what, Lily Zhang is in driver seat to be in olympics team. Wu Yue will get top ranking seat. Juan Liu will get trial seat if everything is expected in next few months. Lily will be the only reasonable candidate for the third olympic player.

Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

You could rank last with one win and one loss LOL
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Top 2 finishers in each group advance (as mentioned by apacible) so you only need 1 win to finish 2nd.  

Don't be too sure about that.  Lily has a chance to surpass Wu Yue.  And it's not only important for sealing a spot on the team, but it would make it easier to choose Lily for Singles.


Posted By: mentortt
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 3:58pm
In terms olympics team, Lily and Jeniffer are almost the olympic spots guaranteed. Juan Liu's chance is not good. Her only chance is in the trial. If she failed, HPD might select Amy Wang. She cannot lose. The only good thing is that she doesn't need to win national men's team.

Here is compliment from interim HPD director after she helped to win north american trial : "We look forward to you winning your 4th Westchester event over the men!"




Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 4:20pm
Juan Liu is a 2700 level player so I'd say she has a very good chance of winning the trials.  Remember that the trials are in late February so by that time, we'll know the winner of the ranking race so that person won't even need to compete at the Trials.  But let's say Juan Liu does not win the Trials.  Things get complicated.  Remember that World Ranking is just one criteria for discretionary selection:

1. March 2020 ITTF World Ranking
2. Results at the 2020 USATT Olympic Games Trial
3. Results at the 2019 ITTF North American Olympic Team and 2020 ITTF World Team Qualification
4. Competitive international competition results (ITTF events and international leagues) over the period from 18th April 2019 to 31st March 2020
5. Results at National Ranking Tournaments over the period from 18th April 2019 to 31st March 2020
6. Declaration of participation in future Olympic Games preparation camps and competitions and training per Section 9 of this document.

There's the question of how well did she do against the other candidate for that 3rd spot in the Trials (Item 2).  Not much to say about Item 3.... it was a blowout.  Item 4 is where Juan loses out because she doesn't play internationally.... though she will be playing in the ITTF North American Challenge Plus event in December (yay!).  Item 5 is her strength... she won this year's 2nd Adult NRT handily. So it's not a given that she won't make the team if she doesn't win the Trials.

Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

In terms olympics team, Lily and Jeniffer are almost the olympic spots guaranteed. Juan Liu's chance is not good. Her only chance is in the trial. If she failed, HPD might select Amy Wang. She cannot lose.


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 4:34pm
I think the selections for the NA Olympic Team qualifiers say a lot about where the players stand.  I think had Mo Zhang played, the US might have lined up the players differently.  But Amy Wang and Nick Tio not playing in those matches is a realistic indication of what the Olympic team is shaping up to look like.  The question IMO is whether Nikhil can play singles over Xin Zhou.

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Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 10/16/2019 at 1:25am
It is a question whether Nikhil can beat Zhou Xin, however there are many other players in the mix.  It is not an obvious conclusion that those two are going to beat Jishan, Jack Wang, Team Alguetti, Tom Feng, Nick Tio, Victor or a whole host of players some of which might be flying under the radar.  Are Ma Jinbao or Chen RuiChao eligible?  Tao Wenzhang?

Looking at the top 25 list and checking off "eligible for National/Olympic team" there are lots of people on that list that have a realistic chance of making the team if there are trials. 


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/16/2019 at 4:04am
Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

It is a question whether Nikhil can beat Zhou Xin, however there are many other players in the mix.  It is not an obvious conclusion that those two are going to beat Jishan, Jack Wang, Team Alguetti, Tom Feng, Nick Tio, Victor or a whole host of players some of which might be flying under the radar.  Are Ma Jinbao or Chen RuiChao eligible?  Tao Wenzhang?

Looking at the top 25 list and checking off "eligible for National/Olympic team" there are lots of people on that list that have a realistic chance of making the team if there are trials. 

I watched the Westchester ranking tournament in person.  Xin Zhou was a clear class above everyone else.  Let the other players declare eligibility but the field is not as wide as you think it is.  There are really 3 or 4 players in the mix.


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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/17/2019 at 11:16am
One thing I'm wondering is how will the seeding be done in the Olympic Trials.  I've been noticing official USATT elite events moved toward using world ranking for seeding.  This could mean that Juan Liu could be in the same half as the top ranked player so that top ranked player may be ousted early and that could affect how that ousted player is viewed because one of the discretionary selection criteria is how well you did at the Olympic Trials. I think the seeding should be done based on USATT rating imho.


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/17/2019 at 12:16pm
Both Lily and Yue have pretty decent draws:

GROUP A
1   SZOCS Bernadette
2   DIAZ Adriana
3   ZHANG Lily

GROUP D
1   SAMARA Elizabeta
2   ZHANG Mo
3   WU Yue



Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/18/2019 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

One thing I'm wondering is how will the seeding be done in the Olympic Trials.  I've been noticing official USATT elite events moved toward using world ranking for seeding.  This could mean that Juan Liu could be in the same half as the top ranked player so that top ranked player may be ousted early and that could affect how that ousted player is viewed because one of the discretionary selection criteria is how well you did at the Olympic Trials. I think the seeding should be done based on USATT rating imho.

I found my answer if anyone's interested:

https://www.teamusa.org/-/media/USA_Table_Tennis/Images/News/08-19/Playing-format-for-the-2020-Olympic-Games-Trials-final-08-28-2019.pdf?la=en&hash=115259533C9A6988B0E587AB80D9E90B239AC9FA" rel="nofollow - Playing Format for the 2020 US Olympic Trials  (PDF file)


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/19/2019 at 1:07am
Lily played the match of her life and takes out Miu Hirano!  She was on fire and there's was nothing HM could do.  She was matching HM speed for speed.  HM had to make ridiculous shots to score points.  Lily had the power advantage and even showed a couple of fishing winners.  

Wu Yue did well getting to the main draw, but loses in the 1st round to Sofia Polcanova.  

There's a 255 point difference between R16 and QF so Lily now takes the lead in the ranking race.

The day belongs to Lily. ClapClapClap


Posted By: chongqinghotpot
Date Posted: 10/19/2019 at 3:30pm
now Lily got a medal for World Cup. Is she secured to go to Tokyo?

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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 10/19/2019 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

now Lily got a medal for World Cup. Is she secured to go to Tokyo?

No medal yet - there's a match for 3rd place.


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/19/2019 at 4:00pm
Technically, no.  Wu Yue lost in R16 which is worth 1020.  Lily, right now gets a minimum of 1530 points if she finishes 4th and the points increase from there:

Women's World Cup points:
Winner              2550
Runner-Up           1915
3rd position        1660
4th position        1530 <-- Minimum points Lily will get
Quarter-finalist    1275
Loser in Rnd of 16  1020 <-- Wu Yue's points

And there are some more tournaments ahead.  But unless she gets seriously injured and physically cannot go to Tokyo, there is no way she does not go to the Olympics.  So the most likely scenario is that Lily wins the ranking race and earns a spot, Juan Liu wins the Olympic Trials and earns the 2nd spot, and Wu Yue will probably earn the 3rd spot through discretionary selection.


Posted By: apacible
Date Posted: 10/20/2019 at 2:59pm

USA Women's WR Race for Top Spot by Feb. 2020. Amazing performance by Lily. I got to read her write-up regarding her 4 Gold medals in the Pan Am Championships the day before her wins against Hirano and Polcanova.  http://www.joola.us/2019/09/panamericanchampionships-lily-zhang/?fbclid=IwAR2FiSZMGQbcDqf0fleJkhzvF9AdNILTmryWAy7qTWrv_lCPxzlhc8_RlOo" rel="nofollow - http://www.joola.us/2019/09/panamericanchampionships-lily-zhang/?fbclid=IwAR2FiSZMGQbcDqf0fleJkhzvF9AdNILTmryWAy7qTWrv_lCPxzlhc8_RlOo

She doubted her choice in going pro after her loss to Amy, but I'm sure this performance clears any doubts that she made the right decision. She's looking like a favorite for the singles spot in Tokyo, but we'll see how the rest of the tournaments play out.

On a side note, it looks like the USA Olympic Trials is going to be round-robin, so seeding/WR won't really matter for the tournament. I'm glad USATT went this route over a single elimination knockout, which is more prone to fluke results.


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/20/2019 at 3:29pm
Thanks apacible. She's such a great success story. I've always thought of Lily and Ariel as pioneers for American womens table tennis ... and now with Lily taking things a step further, she's put us on the map so to speak.

Lily will be there in Tokyo. Even if she doesn't win the ranking race or trials, there's no way USATT screws this up.


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/20/2019 at 7:05pm
The funny thing is that Lily's World Cup performance makes the US a dark horse for the team medal at the Olympics.  This will get interesting. 

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/20/2019 at 8:07pm
are her college studies still suspended with a project to go back or is it just a thing of the past now? 
Anyway the decisions taken are the good ones apparently Clap 


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Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 10/20/2019 at 8:30pm
Lily graduated and is a full time pro in europe. 


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/20/2019 at 10:35pm
Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

Lily graduated and is a full time pro in europe. 
thanks.

That article is inspiring, especially the 2nd paragraph.

"Pay attention to what makes you feel alive"

http://www.joola.us/2019/01/lily-zhang-on-embracing-change/" rel="nofollow - http://www.joola.us/2019/01/lily-zhang-on-embracing-change/


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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 10/20/2019 at 10:55pm
Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

Lily graduated and is a full time pro in europe. 

Just a little anecdote that Lily told me: We know that she took off a year of university to prepare for the Olympics; what was not as widely known is that she graduated "on time," that is, she took an above average heavy class load in her three years to graduate in the calendar four year time frame.

These high achievers we look up to are predicable.

Thanks, 


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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/21/2019 at 9:03am
Great to see Lily's picture and article under MyTableTennis.NET's "What's New" section!


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 10/21/2019 at 10:38am
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Thanks apacible. She's such a great success story. I've always thought of Lily and Ariel as pioneers for American womens table tennis ... and now with Lily taking things a step further, she's put us on the map so to speak.

Lily will be there in Tokyo. Even if she doesn't win the ranking race or trials, there's no way USATT screws this up.
what happened to Ariel?


Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 10/21/2019 at 11:44am
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Thanks apacible. She's such a great success story. I've always thought of Lily and Ariel as pioneers for American womens table tennis ... and now with Lily taking things a step further, she's put us on the map so to speak.

Lily will be there in Tokyo. Even if she doesn't win the ranking race or trials, there's no way USATT screws this up.
what happened to Ariel?
She basically quit playing competitively when she went to college and hasn’t returned.

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Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 10/21/2019 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Thanks apacible. She's such a great success story. I've always thought of Lily and Ariel as pioneers for American womens table tennis ... and now with Lily taking things a step further, she's put us on the map so to speak.

Lily will be there in Tokyo. Even if she doesn't win the ranking race or trials, there's no way USATT screws this up.
what happened to Ariel?
She basically quit playing competitively when she went to college and hasn’t returned.
Yeah, she's working a boring desk job probably pulling a 6 figure salary.   https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariel-hsing-10940b99" rel="nofollow - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariel-hsing-10940b99


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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 10/21/2019 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Thanks apacible. She's such a great success story. I've always thought of Lily and Ariel as pioneers for American womens table tennis ... and now with Lily taking things a step further, she's put us on the map so to speak.

Lily will be there in Tokyo. Even if she doesn't win the ranking race or trials, there's no way USATT screws this up.
what happened to Ariel?
She basically quit playing competitively when she went to college and hasn’t returned.
I heard when she went to college but didn't hear about it since.  Thanks.


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 10/21/2019 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:

Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Thanks apacible. She's such a great success story. I've always thought of Lily and Ariel as pioneers for American womens table tennis ... and now with Lily taking things a step further, she's put us on the map so to speak.

Lily will be there in Tokyo. Even if she doesn't win the ranking race or trials, there's no way USATT screws this up.
what happened to Ariel?
She basically quit playing competitively when she went to college and hasn’t returned.
Yeah, she's working a boring desk job probably pulling a 6 figure salary.   https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariel-hsing-10940b99" rel="nofollow - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariel-hsing-10940b99
  more info  , thanks - nothing wrong with getting a job


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 10/21/2019 at 12:51pm
Just FYI, Yue and Lily are the 3rd and 7th seeds, respectively, at the upcoming ITTF Challenge Belarus Open.  There's a number of Japanese players attending, and you can bet the JNT is reviewing videos of Lily's matches.



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