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Topic: STIGA DNA rubbers
Posted By: Ray
Subject: STIGA DNA rubbers
Date Posted: 09/27/2019 at 6:35am
Stiga is finally releasing rubbers made in Germany:

DNA Pro H
DNA Pro M
DNA Pro S
DNA Future M

Launch date for European market is October 1, 2019.


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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 09/27/2019 at 9:53am
Sponge hardness:

DNA Pro H 50°
DNA Pro M 47.5°
DNA Pro S 42.5°


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Posted By: vik2000
Date Posted: 09/27/2019 at 10:09am
Still waiting for a rubber to top T05 sales. Even butterfly's own D05 fails to convince many T05 players to switch. 

What's really new about these rubbers? 


Posted By: timoboll89
Date Posted: 09/27/2019 at 10:29am
nothing. They are esn so like rhyzer or rasanter


Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 09/27/2019 at 10:50am
Why do they have Justin Bieber in the add?



Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 09/27/2019 at 11:03am
Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Why do they have Justin Bieber in the add?


Never heard of him.

I believe that's Truls Moregard in the ad.


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/27/2019 at 12:29pm
Future M will not be released yet. 

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Posted By: DarkerMyLove
Date Posted: 09/27/2019 at 7:41pm
I'd like to try the 50 degree version any idea on the thickness options?
Or the non-Vat price? 


Posted By: 808ponger
Date Posted: 09/28/2019 at 2:00am
@yogi do you have these in your hands yet? I eagerly await your review.  

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/28/2019 at 11:27am
Yes, i had them since 5 days ago but still waiting for Oct 1 to post them. I like the 50 degrees best

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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 09/29/2019 at 8:32pm
Is Stiga moving rubber production to Germany? Mantras, I believe, are made in a Japanese factory.


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/30/2019 at 12:31am
The Mantras will still be produces by the Jpn company. 

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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 2:36am
Originally posted by DarkerMyLove DarkerMyLove wrote:

I'd like to try the 50 degree version any idea on the thickness options?
Or the non-Vat price? 


2.1mm, 50EUR.

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 7:10am
Stiga DNA Pro H (Hard)

Weight: 71 grams uncut

Hardness: 50 degrees ESN scale

Speed: OFF++











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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 7:12am
Stiga DNA Pro S


Weight: 67 grams uncut
Hardness: 42.5 degrees
Speed: Off







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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 7:13am
Stiga DNA Pro M rubber


Weight: 69 grams uncut
Hardness: 47.5 degrees
Speed: OFF+











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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 8:58am
Truls' DNA?
Is it known if he will be switching from Mantra H to DNA Pro?


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 10:01am
Stiga said he switcged to DNA H a few months ago but i need to find a pic first. 

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Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 10:58am
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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 11:51am
Truls changed from Carbonado 290 to 190?


Posted By: guni4you
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 12:46pm
Yeah he did after he changed from mantra to dna rubbers.


Posted By: Static
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 1:30pm
Might have missed it but any info on when these will be available in regular shops? 

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Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 1:59pm
Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Truls changed from Carbonado 290 to 190?

The sheets must be really fast for him to change to a "slower" blade.


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Posted By: guni4you
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 2:05pm
I don’t think it worked for Truls as he lost in the first round of Swedish open


Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 10/01/2019 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by guni4you guni4you wrote:

I don’t think it worked for Truls as he lost in the first round of Swedish open
Oh, No!


Posted By: tabletennisx32
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 3:33am
Anyone notice they missed the opportunity to name the rubbbers corresponding to nucleotides in DNA? They could've made it Stiga DNA Pro A, G, C, and T. They could've also made a short pip version called Stiga RNA Pro U or something. :p


Posted By: 808ponger
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 3:47am
Originally posted by Static Static wrote:

Might have missed it but any info on when these will be available in regular shops? 

available now direct from Stiga if you’re in Europe.  TT11 told me they were looking at 4-5 weeks

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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 4:17am
Originally posted by tabletennisx32 tabletennisx32 wrote:

Anyone notice they missed the opportunity to name the rubbbers corresponding to nucleotides in DNA? They could've made it Stiga DNA Pro A, G, C, and T (if they added another rubber). They could've also made a short pip version called Stiga RNA Pro U or something. :p

Nice one there. Given https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/3/17926212/wifi-6-version-numbers-announced" rel="nofollow - the mess we have for WIFI , I'd gladly pass that.

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Posted By: Static
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 6:12am
Originally posted by 808ponger 808ponger wrote:

available now direct from Stiga if you’re in Europe.  TT11 told me they were looking at 4-5 weeks

Alright cheers, not in direct need of these atm so I'd rather wait to order them from TT11/Contra to get a better discount. 


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by tabletennisx32 tabletennisx32 wrote:

Anyone notice they missed the opportunity to name the rubbbers corresponding to nucleotides in DNA? They could've made it Stiga DNA Pro A, G, C, and T (if they added another rubber). They could've also made a short pip version called Stiga RNA Pro U or something. :p

Seriously, would you like to name a tt product as cytosine, guanine, etc??? 


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Posted By: taczkid
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 3:16pm
can someone contast E. Musk!
I am sure he can make a rubber far better than Tenergy lol
& call it Tesla 05 P100D lol


Posted By: tabletennisx32
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 6:38pm
not the entire name...just the letters


Posted By: avova
Date Posted: 10/02/2019 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by taczkid taczkid wrote:

can someone contast E. Musk!
I am sure he can make a rubber far better than Tenergy lol
& call it Tesla 05 P100D lol

He cannot, but he will claim that the extrapolated result shows that the rubber that they might release next year is better. 


Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 10/03/2019 at 1:15am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Future M will not be released yet. 

It will be released by the end of the month. DNA Future M is a rubber for developing players and will be much cheaper than DNA Pro.


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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 10/03/2019 at 6:29am
Originally posted by tabletennisx32 tabletennisx32 wrote:

Anyone notice they missed the opportunity to name the rubbbers corresponding to nucleotides in DNA? They could've made it Stiga DNA Pro A, G, C, and T. They could've also made a short pip version called Stiga RNA Pro U or something. :p

In all due respect, I do think it's important to keep nucleotides out of this discussion, otherwise it will be but a moment and someone will identify an association with trimethylglycine, then where will we be?

Thanks,


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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 10/03/2019 at 6:39am
Stiga DNA Pro H (Hard)

Weight: 71 grams uncut

Hardness: 50 degrees ESN scale

Speed: OFF++


Hi,

On first observation, I really did hope you made an error with the "OFF++" reference.  The first breach of protocol of a similar nature that I recall was when the rubber speed and spin scale was established from 1 to a maximum of 10, only to have produced products rated 11 and above.

May we anticipate in our future an enhanced version rated "OFF+++", extending the paradigm?  If not, I will be disappointed.

Thanks,


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/03/2019 at 5:34pm
Which protocol? There is no established protocol for that, not officially. 

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Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 10/03/2019 at 6:22pm
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Future M will not be released yet. 

Best post ever.


Posted By: Makelele
Date Posted: 10/03/2019 at 7:00pm
Exquisite.


Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 10/03/2019 at 9:13pm
Originally posted by guni4you guni4you wrote:

I don’t think it worked for Truls as he lost in the first round of Swedish open

Karakasevic played quite well. On the other hand, Truls did not play great.  Somehow, I did not get the feeling that it was due to equipment change.


Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 10/18/2019 at 11:19pm
Truls vs Dan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0RXo1ce9QU" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/K0RXo1ce9QU



Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 10/19/2019 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Truls vs Dan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0RXo1ce9QU" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/K0RXo1ce9QU


Dan about the hardest H version: "not as fast as tenergy 05", "great control", "good stable attacking rubber", "spin is similar to that of MXP".


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/20/2019 at 6:59pm
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Truls changed from Carbonado 290 to 190?

The sheets must be really fast for him to change to a "slower" blade.

Mantra is relatively slow.  I wouldn't put it on how fast the sheets are per se.  190 is on par with a Boll ALc 


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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 10/22/2019 at 6:30pm
$45.74 at TT11 but listed OOS and 2.1mm only. I like the price drop.


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/24/2019 at 7:10pm
well they released Future M after saying they will not released it. Introductory rubber at 47.5 degrees.

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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 10/24/2019 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

well they released Future M after saying they will not released it. Introductory rubber at 47.5 degrees.

same sponge as in Pro but different top-sheet?

32.90 € 


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/24/2019 at 7:20pm
not sure because I have not tried them yet but it is still an ESN rubber probably closer to Vega Intro or Musa 3.

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Posted By: Facepalm
Date Posted: 10/26/2019 at 10:55am
DNA Pro series going for ¥199 in the Chinese market, which is about the same as the Rozena. This is about USD$28.


Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 10/26/2019 at 4:22pm
$28 is very cheap indeed. I only see $54 on aliexpress.

i will wait until 1.9mm comes out and when the rubber makes it way to TT11 3-for-4 section.


Posted By: JustANoob
Date Posted: 10/27/2019 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by Facepalm Facepalm wrote:

DNA Pro series going for ¥199 in the Chinese market, which is about the same as the Rozena. This is about USD$28.


Are they fakes ? That seems a bit too cheap for a brand new rubber, no ? Shocked


Posted By: Facepalm
Date Posted: 10/29/2019 at 12:46am
Originally posted by JustANoob JustANoob wrote:

Originally posted by Facepalm Facepalm wrote:

DNA Pro series going for ¥199 in the Chinese market, which is about the same as the Rozena. This is about USD$28.


Are they fakes ? That seems a bit too cheap for a brand new rubber, no ? Shocked

No, this is the regular retail price available on several reputable stores. Sometimes the Chinese market is just like that.


Posted By: vik2000
Date Posted: 10/29/2019 at 1:07am
Originally posted by Facepalm Facepalm wrote:

Originally posted by JustANoob JustANoob wrote:

Originally posted by Facepalm Facepalm wrote:

DNA Pro series going for ¥199 in the Chinese market, which is about the same as the Rozena. This is about USD$28.


Are they fakes ? That seems a bit too cheap for a brand new rubber, no ? Shocked

No, this is the regular retail price available on several reputable stores. Sometimes the Chinese market is just like that.

Are there any sites that are shipping it international? 


Posted By: 808ponger
Date Posted: 10/30/2019 at 4:01pm
looks like in stock now at Dandoy and TT11.  Now off  to fight the EJ demons 

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Posted By: KiwiPong
Date Posted: 10/30/2019 at 11:54pm
$45.74 per sheet on Tabletennis11 


Posted By: taczkid
Date Posted: 11/05/2019 at 3:19pm
fyi: paddlepalace.com
also has them under 45$ on intro sale...


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 11/05/2019 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by taczkid taczkid wrote:

fyi: paddlepalace.com
also has them under 45$ on intro sale...

i think you mean under $50, it currently $45.95 - regular price will be $54.95 Tongue

"Future M" which no one here is probably gonna use because everyone's a "baller" is $33 to be $39 regular price.


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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 11/05/2019 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Originally posted by taczkid taczkid wrote:

fyi: paddlepalace.com
also has them under 45$ on intro sale...

i think you mean under $50, it currently $45.95 - regular price will be $54.95 Tongue

"Future M" which no one here is probably gonna use because everyone's a "baller" is $33 to be $39 regular price.

Future M must be very different from the Pro versions, otherwise the price difference does not make sense.

yogi_bear says it has 47.5 sponge. i am guessing that either the top sheet is very soft or the sponge is of different mix or both.

I am curious about this rubber. I hope it will be somewhat lower weight than the Pro versions and have interesting playing character.


Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 11/06/2019 at 10:06am
From Stiga's site...not really "entry-level" because it still is ESN technology, probably comparable to say a MarkV gluable variant just a touch faster because of ESN technology?


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/09/2019 at 4:43pm
Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

From Stiga's site...not really "entry-level" because it still is ESN technology, probably comparable to say a MarkV gluable variant just a touch faster because of ESN technology?


  • Ideal for those who want to glue their first bat.


If it is ideal for those who want to glue their first bat, it is an entry level rubber. Probably a replacement for the Stiga Evo rubber before.


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/09/2019 at 5:09pm
This is the long and more detailed review of the DNA rubbers 
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?21949-Stiga-DNA-Pro-Rubbers-Review" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?21949-Stiga-DNA-Pro-Rubbers-Review

but this is a breakdown on the findings:

DNA Pro H
1. This is the best Stiga rubber right now. It is 50 degrees and much harder compared to their previous rubbers expect for the Mantra H which I still love until now.
2. I think everyone should just get this rubber instead of 2 other variants because it is an amazing rubber.
3. Even close to the table, it is more controllable than other rubbers such as Rasanter R50 or MXP 50 but it is just as fast.
4. Topsheet is very grippy and quality really looks good.
5. Spin is really good. It is as spinny as the other 50 degree rubbers but easier to handle and produce spin. Arc is medium to medium high.
6. It is the easiest rubber in the 50 degree range that is easiest to adjust to because of its very forgiving characteristic. It is very good control.

DNA Pro M
1. This is a competitor of MXP as they are in the same range of hardness.
2. Topsheet seems durable after almost a month of usage and is still very grippy.
3. Sponge is quite durable as I have glued it a few times on different blades.
4. This is as spinny as the MXP but easier to handle and has better control.
5. This is also quite fast but the speed is manageable.
6. It has a medium arc when looping.

DNA Pro S
1. In the class of Rakza 7 soft but a bit much more firmness overall.
2. This is much spinnier than Tibhar FX-P. Both are soft rubbers but the S version offers more spin.
3. A bit faster than Rakza soft or FX-P.
4. High arc when looping.
5. The most control you will get among the 3 DNA rubbers but still a very bouncy rubber.
6. This is a very good backhand rubber.


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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 11/09/2019 at 7:20pm
could you compare the short game with that of the corresponding R50, R47 and R42? I am very curious about the unexpected bounciness during short pushes.


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/10/2019 at 3:29pm
R50 is not really hard doing short pushes or drop shots because it is a hard rubber. Adjustments can be made on the 47 and 42 rubbers

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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 11/10/2019 at 3:37pm
I meant comparing rasanters to DNA Pro in short game, e.g. DNA Pro M vs R47 during short game.


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/10/2019 at 3:47pm
I can only remember that both R50 and DNA H are very good on short shots

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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/10/2019 at 11:44pm
Had a very short hit with DNA Pro today - rubber felt like a modern control offensive rubber class. Not very dynamic, just control.

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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 11/11/2019 at 9:13am
Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

Had a very short hit with DNA Pro today - rubber felt like a modern control offensive rubber class. Not very dynamic, just control.

are you trying out Pro M? can you compare it with Rasanter R42 or R47? any other rubber that it reminds you of?

Stiga should have a lottery for testers as Nexy did.


Posted By: Tommy16
Date Posted: 11/12/2019 at 1:20pm
I have tested Pro H black with 2.1mm sponge and here are my observations. This thing is fast. Faster than R47 which I have used for couple of years now. It's spinny. Especially on harder strokes. It's relatively easy to control. Serving and receiving are both same as other esn rubbers. Maybe short game is a bit easier with Pro H than R47. Counter looping with this rubber is really easy. That's probably due the high throw angle of Pro H.

Now the downside. Even the rubber feels quite hard when you press it with your finger in strokes it feels much softer than R47. Too soft for my liking. I'm not sure if it is just full of booster or maybe the top sheet is soft but I think that it has way too soft feeling for such a hard rubber. It is also quite hard to loop slow spinny loops from half long returns or over the table. 

These are my initial feelings about this rubber. I only tested this rubber briefly because I had to concentrate actual training for upcoming tournament. Testing continues:). 


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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 11/18/2019 at 11:43am
$34 at TT11 this week (S, M and H)


Posted By: Jackcerry
Date Posted: 11/19/2019 at 8:54am
it’s 37€ not 34$


Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 11/19/2019 at 9:28am
Originally posted by Jackcerry Jackcerry wrote:

it’s 37€ not 34$

I see €31.19


Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 11/19/2019 at 9:40am
Originally posted by Jackcerry Jackcerry wrote:

it’s 37€ not 34$



your price include VAT, People outside of Europe don't pay VAT


Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 12/01/2019 at 7:31am
Tried the DNA pro H today, here are my thoughts:
1- best stiga rubber ever.
2- now I understand what yogi and Dan are saying about "tons of control". It holds the ball long on the blade like tenergy. So it is good for slow loops , fast loops and counter spin.
3- 1 of the best ESn rubbers ever produced.
4- it has the bounce of dignics (it is fast)
Like Dan said spin like tenergy 80 or 25 speed like dignics variations.
5- the perfect rubber at 38 usd compared to butterfly? Nooooo ! It is super heavy like 51 grams compared to dignics 47 grams cut and glued to 157x150 blade. Unfortunately.

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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 12/01/2019 at 11:56am
Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Tried the DNA pro H today, here are my thoughts:
1- best stiga rubber ever.
2- now I understand what yogi and Dan are saying about "tons of control". It holds the ball long on the blade like tenergy. So it is good for slow loops , fast loops and counter spin.
3- 1 of the best ESn rubbers ever produced.
4- it has the bounce of dignics (it is fast)
Like Dan said spin like tenergy 80 or 25 speed like dignics variations.
5- the perfect rubber at 38 usd compared to butterfly? Nooooo ! It is super heavy like 51 grams compared to dignics 47 grams cut and glued to 157x150 blade. Unfortunately.

if ESN manages to lower the weight of its best rubbers (without changes the current performance) we will be rewarded with higher price rubbers: +$10 for every 1 g. shaved off.


Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 12/01/2019 at 4:02pm
Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Tried the DNA pro H today, here are my thoughts:
1- best stiga rubber ever.
2- now I understand what yogi and Dan are saying about "tons of control". It holds the ball long on the blade like tenergy. So it is good for slow loops , fast loops and counter spin.
3- 1 of the best ESn rubbers ever produced.
4- it has the bounce of dignics (it is fast)
Like Dan said spin like tenergy 80 or 25 speed like dignics variations.
5- the perfect rubber at 38 usd compared to butterfly? Nooooo ! It is super heavy like 51 grams compared to dignics 47 grams cut and glued to 157x150 blade. Unfortunately.


if ESN manages to lower the weight of its best rubbers (without changes the current performance) we will be rewarded with higher price rubbers: +$10 for every 1 g. shaved off.



Yes indeed they have better characteristics but a lot heavier.

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Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 BH


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 12/02/2019 at 9:08am
 Esn rubbers are getting heavier. Xiom omega Hyper is at 80 grams uncut. 

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Posted By: nathanso
Date Posted: 12/07/2019 at 7:55pm
Brand: Stiga
Rubber ID/Model: DNA Pro S
Thickness (max or in mm): 1.9mm
Colour: Black
Uncut Mass(g): 65
Length(mm): 168
Width(mm): 168

The easiest rubber to generate spin with that I've ever used. Basic topspin balls leap forward off the table causing the receiver to really need to pay attention. Radical downward hook on topspin drives. So much spin that loops that overshoot the end line still have enough spin to leap forward off the floor. Amazing rubber.

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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 12/09/2019 at 1:39am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

 Esn rubbers are getting heavier. Xiom omega Hyper is at 80 grams uncut. 

Doesn't ESN usually go heavier after making a less effective lighter generation?

I ask because I really like the original Rasant (a heavy ESN generation) for very good spin (either from topsheet, sponge or both) and it was almost "do everything" capable...

But I do not like the Rasanter as much (lighter generation that came after, thinner topsheet and maybe less dense sponge at same hardness).

When I look back at the Acuda S3 generation (heavy, very spinny) and then the subsequent generation Acuda P3 (lighter, less spinny) I notice a similar trend from the past.


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Posted By: trumpet_guy
Date Posted: 12/09/2019 at 3:39pm
Did you not find that Rasanter has excellent spin performance?


Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 03/09/2020 at 2:43am
Nathanso, michael: What blade did you use with pro s ?
Also the weight of the blade.  
Thanks. 


Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 03/09/2020 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

 Esn rubbers are getting heavier. Xiom omega Hyper is at 80 grams uncut. 

Doesn't ESN usually go heavier after making a less effective lighter generation?

I ask because I really like the original Rasant (a heavy ESN generation) for very good spin (either from topsheet, sponge or both) and it was almost "do everything" capable...

But I do not like the Rasanter as much (lighter generation that came after, thinner topsheet and maybe less dense sponge at same hardness).

When I look back at the Acuda S3 generation (heavy, very spinny) and then the subsequent generation Acuda P3 (lighter, less spinny) I notice a similar trend from the past.


While you're correct about your observations of different rubber generations, Omega VII Hyper at 55 degrees is exceptionally hard, dense, and fast. It's important to remember that Omega VII Pro and VII Euro, technically of the same generation, are very light relative to their hardness of 47.5 and 42.5 degrees respectively. Those 2 rubbers aren't lacking in spin. Granted, they aren't going to have the same top end power of all of these rubbers at 52+ degrees but they are good and successful rubbers still.


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Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm
Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge


Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 03/09/2020 at 6:01pm
Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

Had a very short hit with DNA Pro today - rubber felt like a modern control offensive rubber class. Not very dynamic, just control.

I very much agree with this. I've tried the DNA H now on two blades, Calderano SAL and Freitas ALC and found it pretty unimpressive. Yes, it has a lot of control, yes it is fast but I personally don't agree with the sentiment that its the best rubber in the current ESN range. Perhaps if you have a more chinese technique, I don't know, but for me with European fundamentals it was more of a miss than a hit.




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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 07/12/2020 at 5:38pm
Is anybody using DNA S? What is cut weight please?


Posted By: nathanso
Date Posted: 07/13/2020 at 1:07am
Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Is anybody using DNA S? What is cut weight please?

Forget cut weight; blades come in all different sizes. Here's the uncut weight of 1.9 black:

Brand: Stiga
Rubber ID/Model: DNA Pro S
Thickness (max or in mm): 1.9mm
Colour: Black
Uncut Mass(g): 65
Length(mm): 168
Width(mm): 168


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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 07/13/2020 at 8:08am
Most popular blades around same standard Butterfly size 157x150mm



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