Has anyone tried andro rasanter R53? If yes please let me know how it is.

It's new.  No doubt somebody will step forward with firsthand experiences to share soon.  Wait and see is a very powerful approach... :-)

I think all these rubbers are almost the same (mx-p,mx-p 50, rasanter 50, rasanter 53, dna pro 50, donic blue storm z1 turbo, etc.... Still when you I think try new Tenergy 05 - it is simply better than all other rubbers listed here. And the prices are going up for all the Tensors (looks like Rasanter 53 is 60Euro) which is now close to tenergy price, I would rather get tenergy than any of the rubbers here...

I think rasanter r53 will be simply a bit faster than r50 and probably even better to return serve short than r50..

Will love to hear actual review, which I am sure will happen soon.

This is a really sensible and informed view of things. Well put. Though I, myself, have gone from 05 to MX-P and it is still almost half the price of Tenergy and with a small bit of, ummm,...liquid inspiration...nearly as good as 05 and better in some ways. (not as good in others of course; fewer cheap points off random, emergency pushes for example...) But all in all, I totally agree. I may, if I win the lotto, go back to 05. Or, if the ESN rubbers continue to go up in price, I'll go back to Tenergy in protest at the ridiculous ESN pricing.

I use it on my dhs w968 blade.Amazing rubber.Very fast and spinny.And very easy to play short.But use it on a blade with limba outer ply.Might feel too hard on koto or other hard woods.

Anyone can get ESN tensor for 30-32 EUR in this forum, just also half of a spare sheet of Tenergy. Durability is worse, but not that much, just only 15-20& less that Tenergy. For me it's not worth the extra money. Just use any M1/MXP and replace it after 3-4 months. 

Much faster than T05 on medium hits and hard hits.  Similarly fast of soft shots.  

TONS of spin on harder shots.  And shines with counter shots.  Away from the table countering is great.  As you would expect, there is not 'easy access' to spin like T05 or even Joola Rhyzer 50.

Short game is very nice but just based on 2 hrs of training, seems slightly less grippy than Joola Rhyzer 50.

Really great with active blocks, not so great with in-game defensive passive shots against hard loops. More unforced errors but also more outright winners.

I am slightly confused by the rubber in one respect.  Maybe a technique issue or the softer topsheet, but when brush looping with more of a Chinese style stroke I cannot get any consistency.  Even looking at my rubber after, there were dust 'streaks' on the rubber as if there was lots of slippage.  EDIT:  played again just now and brush looping (very low to high with more open face) was much better, but still some slippage.  Never really had slippage with Rhyzer 50.  Definitely need to use much more sponge and it solves the problem)

So i started to hit into the sponge much more-  going much more forward with your stroke-- and it made worlds of difference.   With T05, Rhyzer 50, Vega pro, you can all brush loop Chinese style or hit into the sponge.  R53 'seems' more suited for a European style stroke...but this might just be a technique thing.  But don't get me wrong you can crush through the ball.  But if you are coming from H3 with a brush stroke technique you might be disappointed.  I'll play again tonight and see what happens.

Going from T05 (or Vega Pro) to Rhyzer 50 was super easy adjustment.  But from Rhyzer 50 to Andro R53 quite a difference.  You definitely need a good crisp stroke and of course be very active with foot work so you are in position. 

Lots of 'put-away' power and enough spin to keep the ball on the table but you got to work for it.  My setup is now a whopping 197g.  My arm was a bit tired after the warm-up and flying loops, but I adjusted fine after that first 10mins and no soreness in the arm this morning.

Can you slap rasanter on your blade quickly hahahaha. I wanna see how it is compared to dignics ;-)

Hey guni, I posted a little update here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/topic19924_page30.html#1083131

I will post more updates if I change my opinion or re-affirm it after I get more playtime. 

I am so happy man that you like the rubber.

vik2000 wrote: guni4you wrote: Hey Vik, Can you slap rasanter on your blade quickly hahahaha. I wanna see how it is compared to dignics ;-) Hey guni, I posted a little update here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/topic19924_page30.html#1083131 I will post more updates if I change my opinion or re-affirm it after I get more playtime.

I'm pretty much a lurker here, but recently I've become more and more interested in hard rubbers like 729 battle 2 and mantra H. I've played both quite extensively, battle 2 on forehand and mantra H on backhand.

Now I have 2 training sessions with rasanter r53 on both sides and I'll try to give my most honest opinion about them. I've played with them on a Mizutani Super ZLC blade ST which is 87g.

FH side: I've read pretty much all English review about the the rubber, but I don't remember anyone mentioning that is is kind of similar to Chinese hard rubbers. Not tacky at all, but the sponge hardness and feeling isn't off by far. And to be honest I don't feel much difference in spin between tacky Chinese rubbers like battle 2 and grippy EU or Japanese rubbers in normal hitting cases.

So if you have a FH that is similar to Chinese hip and weight replacement, then you will have an awesome time with rasanter R53. If you have an old school European type forehand loop  you will have an extremely difficult time and I don't recommend rasanter r53. (fist buy a chinese rubber like battle 2 or big dipper and train with it. If you feel comfortable then buy rasanter r53. You really need to have a Chinese style forehand loop for this IMO)

BH: after two sessions I couldn't get it down completely, but there are things that are quite apparent. Spin control is beyond excellent. You can receive the meanest topspin, but can control it like you imagine it. Spin control on is beyond excellent even with a Mizutani Super ZLC which is a fast and stiff blade. Loop against backspin is also very excellent due to the harder sponge, and comparatively softer topsheet. However right now if I get a faster non spinny ball to my backhand I have trouble. Sometimes I manage to pull out a great counter, but I can also hit the ball long due to the immense speed of this rubber. Bit I really want to highlight that this rubber has excellent spin control at receiving serves, so no issue there. In fact I have a Chinese type of experience as well. (yes I tried battle 2 in backhand and also Hurricane 3-50. Liked 3-50 a lot too)

Cons: Really expensive. 60 EUR for I sheet is insane. I bought from schoeler-micke that had deal and that way it's justifiable 47 EUR/sheet if you buy 2. Maybe Gewo Nexxus 53 is the same thing for cheaper.

On backhand I believe you need to adjust quite a bit if you're coming form regular hardness/speed rubber.

It's quite heavy. Even with my 87g Mizutani SZLC blade I can feel the head heaviness. On backhand this needs adjustments.

I really do encourage everyone to discard Stiga DNS or any last generation ESN rubber like MX-P or even softer Rasanter and be brave with harder sponge. It is said that Rasanter r53  feel softer than you imagine. I disagree, I think it feels as hard as the numbers say. It's actually similar to 37 degree Chinese rubbers but a lot faster.

Can't comment on durability yet, but usually harder rubbers can take a beating while softer sponges deteriorate faster.

Ps: over the table counter looping is really excellent with r53, but at the same time from far away counter looping is also excellent.

If you have more specific questions I will try to answer as I go along with practice.

Your review reminds me of Gewo Nexxus EL 53 Hard. It feels as hard as they claim, not softer.

I can understand where you are coming from, I am taking interest in really hard rubbers too because I feel something is missing from the usual 47-48 degree rubbers. Maybe I hit too hard but I usually kill a sheet of MXP in less than two months and I only train about six hours a week.

So I am after something that is hard and at the same time, does not cost 60 EUR. I find those prices appalling.

Today, they all feel like they are not far off at all and even can pretend that depending the style of play, they are better than anything Butterfly produces so they follow through with pricing without the inferiority complex of yesterday: is that a valid view?

Can you please compare D05 and r53 please?

It's really good rubber for loop killing to be honest. Last time I had this many loop kills was back in the speed gluing era, with Bryce + Primorac carbon. Before I had a much harder time and much less percantage of 3rd ball killshots, now I feel if I'm in okay position I can put away almost everything.

Backhand is shaping up, I had to re-adjust my technique for shorter movements.

I kinda feel like putting together a H3N setup on a similar blade as I wonder how H3N would react to loop kills. I do have an unopened H3N 37° laying around somewhere.

what's the total weight?

ProtossTT wrote: I recently ordered one and tested the r53. It's my 2nd favorite rubber besides mxp 50. Compared to the new hard rubbers it's definitely much better. Hated the DNA series there's no consistency and it had a weird behavior. R53 is not hard to control and on my new w968 it did wonders and have a very sharp trajectory on hard loops while maintaining a nice medium arc on slower shots. It has the nice clicky sound which is music to my ears. Though cutting r53 was a bit tough since the sponge is soo thick. Nonetheless it's an amazing rubber and fits my style. Could easily switch between mxp hard 50° and this rubber

Also were you cutting with a knife or scissors?