Quite Happy with the Setup in terms of overall game and speed, However was wondering if there is a newer Rubber having similar character as JO Gold but with better grip (for spinning) and durability

For example:

The older Rasant was this product. Amazing. It lasts and lasts and lasts and has both good grip and great sponge quality.

The newer Rasanter is faster, thinner, lighter and less durable without as much amazing spin.

So you suggest something which is around 10 years old gen of ESN rubbers

Would Rakza 7 also be one such rubber

The Gewo Nexxus EL Pro series is from the current generation & more durable than Rasant & others from the prior generations.

does EL Pro look worn out within weeks as Rasanters do?

+1, nexxus would save you on weight too, but yeah, these would be quite a bit faster and more powerful compared to a Coppa, mx-p might be tiny bit heavier, Butt should be an easier transition from coppa. But bat weight is important the nexxus el-pro 48 or 50 would be a good bet. 

Both are excellent and durable.  H is better of the two, M is slow enough to feel a bit dead.  Both are quite "linear" because the pips beneeth the topsheet are short.  I like that design a lot as it tends to help keep the ball on the table.  Its fast when you need it to be.  I like Nexy Karis even more because it takes that same idea even further, but that one takes longer to get used to.  I believe they are all made in the same factory.  All are very grippy.

I checked out your older posts on Nexy Karis in other threads, was wondering if you still feel that Mantra M and Nexy Karis are similar speed rubbers

I play with MX-P and Mantra M - I personally use MX-P as FH and Mantra M as BH, however I use the Mantra M on FH too against certain opponents.

My honest opinion is that Mantra M would be a better choice coming from Coppa JO Gold. I think you would enjoy the feeling more, it is very crisp, direct, fast.  I think both Mantra M and MX-P would be excellent choices though.

I also saw Rakza 7 was mentioned, I used this rubber and it is excellent too, but MX-P and Mantra M give more confidence in that they are able to make a 100 identical shots, where as I felt Rakza 7 sometimes played differently when I wanted it to play the same shot....possibly because Rakza 7 is more spin sensitive that MX-P or Mantra M. Rakza 7 is also more sensitive to the incoming power of an opponent's shot, where as especially Mantra M acts as a wall on the block and as a sniper on the counter loop...no issues at all to control the counter attack in any way you want - direct, spinny, counterloop, flat hit punch block, placed ball etc... 

Thanks, I have setup Mantra M on my BH with Xiom Offensive S blade. Liking it already after just one days play.. nice step up from Coppa gold. Similar pace but much better spin and control. Might put Mantra M on FH too. I have avoided MX-P thinking its much heavier and also faster

Yes, you really should play Mantra M both sides then! I wouldn't say MX-P is faster, but Mantra M has maybe a little bit more gears in that it plays soft touch shots and low power placement shots slightly better, so it appears that MX-P is faster. In actual fact, at full power Mantra M is just as fast as MX-P - try smashing and power looping and you will immediately realise!

Mantra M has a slightly longer trajectory than MX-P and Tensors like Rakza 7 etc... so one thing you do have to be careful is not to send the ball long, but it is very easy to adjust to it. 

Thanks, I put the Red Mantra M on my FH. I found cut version of Red was 4-5 grams more than Black (50 grams and 45 grams) and also Red seemed bit more lively than Black when tested it out for few mins.. Guess will need to play some more to Adapt on FH , Meanwhile Black on BH was very easy to Adapt after Coppa

I was surprised that there's not much difference between this rubber created around 15 years ago and the latest tensor rubbers.

independently from this, if you have to buy a non butterfly rubber today just take the brand and get the latest.

you want joola - get rhyzer

you want donic - get bluestorm

and so on.

Yes. I liked Coppa Gold quite a lot but only wished for some more spin without losing other good characteristics like the good speed, not much affected by opponent spin etc. It seems like Mantra M is quite close to that.

I think it has spin but it's a very low throw rubber.

so it's not made for looping.

they also had coppa silver, should be a bit spinier.

then coppa platin came out.

but honestly today... why get a coppa gold when you can get a bluestorm for almost the same price?

just move forward with the times, don't stay stuck in old rubbers.

Agree

I tried Mantra M both sides on Xiom Offensive S & Xiom Allround S. Felt very good on BH on either blade  but still need more time to adjust on FH.  On the flexi blade (Allround S) it feels quite spiny and fast while more controlled/medium spin on the less flexi , thicker - Offensive S. 

PS: Uncut Rubber Weight seems to vary between 65-70 Grams  

I find it very controllable , excellent control over direction and placement. Excellent spin game.

I do find that it has a long trajectory and therefore some balls can go out off the edge of the table until you adjust (is this the adjustment you mentioned?). 

With this rubber, I almost never hit the net, and yet it is not too bouncy (less than MX-P).

What are the control adjustments you think you need to make on FH? What was happening? Long balls, or another problem? I think I'd be bale to relate to this since I use Mantra M a lot. 

Yes - Long ball is the main adjustment i need on FH .. Somehow on BH i didnt notice that at all 

Ah! Then you will adjust after just few sessions, that is a rubber characteristic, happened to me too. On BH it is less noticeable but still there (when you play a very touch opponent, you will notice it).

I think u will have it sorted after 3-4 times playing with it :) :) 

Thanks, Yes my opinions were just based on 1 long session with each blade . few more sessions should be good to get set with it. I believe Xiom AllroundS character is closer to Virtuoso Off- but harder. You must be getting better dwell time with your blade, how is it for smashing or flat hits

shrisan wrote: Clarence247 wrote: shrisan wrote: Yes - Long ball is the main adjustment i need on FH .. Somehow on BH i didnt notice that at all  Ah! Then you will adjust after just few sessions, that is a rubber characteristic, happened to me too. On BH it is less noticeable but still there (when you play a very touch opponent, you will notice it). I think u will have it sorted after 3-4 times playing with it :) :)  Thanks, Yes my opinions were just based on 1 long session with each blade . few more sessions should be good to get set with it. I believe Xiom AllroundS character is closer to Virtuoso Off- but harder. You must be getting better dwell time with your blade, how is it for smashing or flat hits

Yes i could get that good feeling more on FH today.. plus some changes needed in defence since Coppa has softer topsheet than Mantra M

How long are you playing with Mantra M, how durable and consistent has it been with time

Well, this year I have not played a lot, I play in a league every Friday for 2-3 hours, but I very rarely train mid-week. I attached the rubber in March 2019, and it is still perfectly good. 

So I can confirm that it is durable. I did not boost it or anything, however, Since I attached it, basically I spent 3 weeks playing everyday for 3-4 hrs, then I played only once a week on average with some weeks being twice a week.

However, I am not one of those players who needs a rubber to play exactly like new, nevertheless, I'd say there was less than a 10% drop in performance.

Also Remember that currently Mantra M is on my BH with MX-P on my FH - my game is FH looper, BH blocker / hitter, opening loop. I always try to get into a position for my FH if I can, so I think I hit less with my BH in a game than with my FH.

Maybe if you are particular and want peek performance, u could change a sheet after 6 months, but for me, I just don't need to. It still has 95% of it's power and spin.

That sounds good and maybe better than most ESN rubbers in terms maintaining quality for longer.

it has more control in the short game than the newer tensor rubbers.

when you hit hard it offers the same speed.

but in a match it's serve receive, block, maybe loop once or twice.

the not so bouncy coppa gold with a rather sticky topsheet is great for this.

I might become a man and go back to the

setup

What is your current setup

Yes, there are some points about Coppa , and i wanted to keep those while moving to next rubber

I feel Mantra M is a good step ahead atleast for BH, still early days to comment on FH

I don't really have a setup.... it depends on which way the wind is blowing.

last setups I used were

tibhar chila with joola rhyzer

tibhar iv-l with tenergy 05

I think I even played a league match with the coppa gold and the persson powerplay back then.

but later I sold everything.

Coppa gold suits well with All wood blades and i am feeling so does Mantra M

After playing with Mantra M for a week, i feel more interest in Karis.. What were the differences you found between Mantra and Karis

Mantra is generally faster, especially Mantra H, which most people who try them prefer to Mantra M.  Karis can be just as fast as Mantra H but you need to really swing hard.  Karis is better in the short game. The thing they both have is very short pips under the top sheet.  However Karis takes that to an extreme, and I think the underlying sponge is slightly slower compared to Mantra H.  The very short pips makes the deformation of the top sheet when the ball strikes a lot more predictable but it also means the rubber does less of the work for you.  The overall effect is something that is very "linear" and predictable.  A lot of people will not like that, especially if they are used to boosted fast rubbers.  I very much like it.  But I didn't like it the first couple of times I used it.  Some other people who have used it maybe can chime in.

Thanks, would you say that Karis  plays closer to Mantra M in terms of regular speed and bit more linear than Mantra M

Thats interesting, revspin rating is lower speed than Mark V and which can misguide people from even trying it out