True if you pay 100% markup retail price lol. Just ask around and you'll be paying much less. 

Tbh butterfly has Soo much money that even if their rubbers didn't sell dignics wise, that the sales alone from tenergy series from the past decade would suffice. Rozena was a failure and they slashed it's prices.

You could tell differences though, you're just throwing in a red herring buddy

Yes you could tell differences and different performances

Personally, I think it sounds really interesting.

jpenmaster wrote: For me Dignics 80  is a much better choice than Dignics 05 . Dignics 80 is more similar to Tenergy 05 than Dignics 05

So there's finally an official T05 alternative?

maybe they paid the licensing fee only to allow timo to play with 09C

Well, Timo switched to T05 hard on the FH in the fall of 2018, which I think is when it came out.  But last winter (first quarter of 2019), there were a series of matches on video (mostly Bundisliga) where he was playing with what looked like T09C.  It was on the ITTF approved list and was reported to have a tacky top sheet.  I don't know how long he stuck with it, but I think he eventually switched back to T05h.  There was a whole thread here about T09C and i thought we'd eventually see it.  Now, instead, we get D09C.

There is a Daily Dan interview with Timo where he talks about playing with D05 on the BH and T05h on the FH.  He said that T05h was better for generating power.  I wonder if he'll stay with that once D09C comes out.

I've been using D05 on the backhand (where I really like it) and Nittaku Turbo Orange on the FH.  The question for me will be whether D09C is a suitable upgrade for the Turbo Orange.

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Well the 09c would be tacky for a start

I've never seen an over-priced item in table tennis; can you show me one and explain how it's over-priced?  I've already seen things that not everyone would choose to buy, but to be really over-priced, it would imply that almost no one would buy that product due to too high of a price.  That certainly can't apply to Dignics, since I know plenty of people who buy it without complaint, including myself.

That's a bad definition and a very unhealthy and poor mentality to have. For example, there are pharmaceutical drugs that are vastly overpriced and yet people still buy them because they often have no other choice.

Outside of pharmaceuticals, where people do have more of a choice, there are a vast number of products that are overpriced and have much more evenly priced counterparts equal in quality, but people still purchase the overpriced product because it has a logo that makes their brain release feel good chemicals.

Perceived value and actual value are often very different things. If you perceive an overpriced item to be worth more than it is, despite a flood of information indicating otherwise, you are intentionally participating in willing ignorance.

Keep in mind, I and almost everyone at the time of this writing has never even touched a sheet of Dignics 09C, but if Dignics 05 is any indicator, 09C will likely not be worth the price. I just can't base full judgement on mostly conjecture.

I disagree with most of what you're saying.

Pharmaceuticals is a special case because you're balancing the moral needs of people's health against the price that a supplier chooses to charge and supplies are usually offered under monopoly conditions due to patents..  However, most products sold in the world are optional, and that certainly applies to table tennis.

The value of something that is sold is whatever people are willing to pay.  There is no intrinsic "actual value".  800 years ago it was proposed that items have a "fair value", but that's a pretty discredited idea now.  And perception is a part of value.  In fact, economists would measure value as marginal utility, which basically means what something is worth to a person for whatever reason, including perception.

Whether a given product is over-priced would be measured by whether there are enough people buying that product to justify its manufacture.  If Dignics sells well for Butterfly at its current price, then its not over-priced.  It may not be worth that price to you, but that's true for lots of things: you (or I) might not think it's worth spending a million dollars on a famous painting; or (in more prosaic terms), we might insist on buying generic store-brand products at the grocery store, rather than identical name brand products.  We make those choices about what things are worth to us (their utility), but that doesn't really say anything about the products themselves.  If there are other people who will pay what you or I will not, then that's what those items are worth.

Where I live, I know a number of people who use D05, ranging from 1400 level to 2200 level.  Virtually none of these people have any special loyalty to Butterfly or keep much track of what professionals play with (so marketing had no affect on them).  They just tried the rubber (sometimes by borrowing my paddle) and found they liked it enough to pay the price.  On the other hand, I know of a wealthy doctor who tried D05 (again, on my paddle), and really liked it, but refused to buy it on general grounds (because he just didn't want to spend that much on table tennis equipment).  

My personal experience in transitioning to D05: I was a long-time T05 user, but I always felt like there were certain aspects of T05 that could be improved (specifically for my play, not for anyone else).  When D05 came out, it sounded like it had the changes i wanted, but I was in no hurry to buy it. However, an opportunity came my way to buy a single sheet at a heavily-discounted price.  Once I tried it, I found that it really did resolve my concerns with T05 and was enough of an improvement for my game that it's worth the extra cost.  Having now used D05 for a while, I have also found the added bonus that it's more durable that T05, so that I don't really consider it more expensive that T05 anyway.

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I don't see your logic there.  In most retail categories, the top selling items are the modest items, but that doesn't make the more expensive items over-priced.  Luxury cars don't sell as well as more moderately priced cars, but people like them enough that they do sell. It would be absurd to call them over-priced.

Amongst the general population?  Sure.  Amongst serious players?  Who knows.  Demographics matter.

A luxury car is truly better built than cheaper car but  butterfly rubbers are slightly better  in performance but way expensive. I see people with korbel and TBS blades  that are splintered in the surface

In terms of actual price, D05 has more than double playing life of any ESN rubber I have tried to date and plays better for my spin heavy style of play than anything else I have tried to date.

In other words, for me, it is absolutely worth the money and, given the longevity, is a good value.

I will most certainly try D09C on the FH when it is available.  It sounds like it will be right up my alley especially if durability is comparable to D05.

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Sounds like you don't know anything about cars.

Sounds ?but I know the diffrence you can love and breathe butterlfly but you cant compare both brands people dont have audis because they cant pay but me and many people can buy butterfly but dont like it

I tried a brand new D09C for 2 minutes, and I found it very very similar to the rubber I'm using, Hurricane 8 40deg with 3 layers of booster. So if you want to save money...

D9c might have a bit more catapult, but same throw, similar hardness, similar grip. basically you play the same. For comparison, Dignics 05 is low throw and faster, with respect to both rubbers. If you play with D05 with the same stroke you use with H8 or D09c, you net the ball .

Note: the D09c was was mounted on a TB ALC; the H8 on my Viscaria, which is almost the same blade.

Note: H8 black is a bit different from the red , more inconsistent (some play well and some are very dead and don't react to boosting).  so I suggest you get a red one first.

If you count the cost of the time involved in boosting, it'll pay for itself very fast 

@blahness

fair enough :))

For sure you can still play with them but there are many less expensive rubbers out there.

If you play at a good level (i wont say pro but a semipro player) then dignics with booster are just on a different planet.

You can say the same for any rubber. That is, most high level players prefer a boosted rubber if allowed and if they can afford it.

@Blahness, agreed. Seguso has accidentally(?) stated a case to buy Dignics 09c over H8. Especially if those players don't play frequently enough to want the hassle of boosting their rubber.

There is no reason to prefer a dignics over a tenergy without booster because if you apply just water based glue the rubber reaches 30% of its potential whereas with tenergy or all esn rubbers you have 80% without booster.

What i mean is that you can play with an unboosted dignics but you are wasting money