varying spin on opening loops
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Topic: varying spin on opening loops
Posted By: blahness
Subject: varying spin on opening loops
Date Posted: 01/25/2020 at 7:19pm
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I noticed you can either hook it upwards contacting the bottom of the ball or brute force loop it with the blade perpendicular to the ball. First one produces a lot of sidespin, second produces heavy topspin. The idea is that if the opponent starts to get used to one of them you can change it up and then they would start missing if they're not paying careful attention to how you contact the ball (it's difficult if you wait a bit for opening loops - sometimes the table obscures the view). ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 01/28/2020 at 1:04am
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At no point should your loop ever contact the bottom of the ball. If you are lobbing, maybe... ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 01/28/2020 at 1:22am
It's more like a sidespin contact which requires a bit more lift hence contacting at the bottom of the ball. I found that if I do this after looping normally for some time most opponents don't read it correctly and just dump it into the net (the "loop" actually doesn't have a lot of topspin in it). ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
icontek wrote:Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 01/28/2020 at 11:04am
Shoot a video. You may be surprised about where the contact point actually is. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 01/28/2020 at 7:07pm
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The larger point is valid though. One of the best players in Houston was/is incredibly difficult because it has always been really hard to know exactly how much spin (or speed) was on his loops (from either side), and when he was able to move better he was insanely steady with them. I am sure it was something he did on purpose. He also varied the amount of sidespin and could hit really extreme angles. Left handed too. Right close to 2600 in his prime. Even other players at that level told me that this was something that made him tough to play. |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 01/29/2020 at 12:08pm
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I see no debate that varying spin is desirable. But that pretty much applies to all of the shots, not just opening loops.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 01/29/2020 at 4:15pm
Maybe it's another case of what you feel is not what it actually looks like haha.... But yeah hooking the ball up is definitely a way to do an opening loop without much topspin which I thought was quite useful... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/30/2020 at 3:00am
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Adding sidespin against a very heavy chop actually makes it easier to loop. Waldner has used a variety of loops both sidespin andtopspin depending on the situation. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: ghostzen
Date Posted: 01/30/2020 at 7:49am
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Variation and disguise are great ideas to break rhythm. The dead loop with little spin on can be a good weapon. Agreed Waldner and Timo were and are great advocates of it at the top end of the game. It's good at lower levels as Blahness I think mentioned. Most players can't judge spin that well so the differences, lack of or more cause problems. |