Interesting... $400 though...

Certainly a gift option for the EJ in your life that has 'everything'.

the price is 

Economic logic IMHO says it's the price for early adopters. If everything goes ok, after some time Butterfly should release "simpler" blade with a reasonable price of 200USD 

What is good less vibration or more and why?

I don't like these newer descriptions either. I much more preferred their chart that depicted speed and spin ratings as well as including the feeling of softness or hardness.

The feelings of vibrations are based on your own personal preference.

Cellulose Nano-fiber

I wonder what CAF (Butterfly calls it Control Assist Fiber) really is, and the difference between CAF & CNF... Timo Boll CAF is less than half the price of the Revoldia CNF

btw as to the "price" it's sold out already 

That's just paper, isn't it?

Revoldia CNF seems to be a touch slower than Viscaria but *MORE* vibrations.  (edited March 8)

For their newer blades in Butterfly's description they do recommend rubbers and interestingly they recommend Tenergy line for this Revoldia.  (for the new Harimoto zlc and super zlc they recommend Dignics line)

Seems like lower vibration score indicates higher vibration? I can't imagine Viscaria having less vibration than Mizu SZLC and T5000. 

Yes you are absolutely correct. Higher value should indicate less vibration.  

Butterfy Revoldia CNF review by Brian Pace:

http://bit.ly/RevoldiaCNFReview" rel="nofollow - https://butterflyonline.com/revoldia-cnf-a-category-creator

Buy apolonia 

Put faster rubbers

4 posts in an almost all of them not helpful.

To answer the actual question: BTY introduced "Vibration" and "Reaction" - vibration gives you an idea for the feel of the blade - i.e. higher vibration means the feel is more muted and the blade more "steady", lower vibration means that you have more feedback in the blade and it feels less muted.

Reaction presents how quickly the ball leaves the blade; higher reaction means it leaves faster, leading to the impression of playing a "faster" blade (similar to frequency measurements, its an indication of subjective speed), lower reaction means the blade has more contact time with the blade, creating the impression of playing a "slower" blade (again, mainly subjective, for example HL5 feels relatively slow on low-impact shots, but feels very fast on high impact shots).

hope that helps

Possibly because Tenergy is most popular rubber, selling with Tenergy sells more of this blade then selling with Dignics

In a german forum someone mentioned that this kind of cellulose  ist usually used as top layer of laminates and your Kutchen - „countertop“ (not sure of this is the correct translation).

The benefit of this fibre is that it is also made out of wood. That means that you don`t need special glue (like Epoxy). You can simple use a natural glue like it is used in all-wood-blades.

umm... don't think so ... here's the description of Dynawood...

and here's an image, explaining CNF ..

"the enhanced feel and flexier loops with impactful direct hits!!!" The marketing circus is assembling its tent.

"ayee,..., ayo,..., revoldia we go,..."

"roses are red, violets are blue,

wait 'til the nano glue."

...which looks exactly the same from the description.

I'm sure people were saying the same thing about Dignics, and it turned out to be a great success.

@ IDK, I agree totally. I don't understand the disparaging comments. USA is supposed to be a country that understands business yet we have posters quoting material costs as if that's the only thing that affects pricing.

The fact is that none us here will play better with a blade costing more that £50. Every blade over £50 is pure indulgence. My blade costs £300+. It's indulgence bordering on stupidity. But guess what? I love the blade. It does not improve my game over a £50 blade but so what? I enjoy the playing experience.

It's like comparing a Honda Civic to a BMW 3 series. For our daily driving needs, the Honda is quite adequate. However, I'm sure most of us would choose the Bimmer if we could afford it.

i found this review of the blade but no subtitle in english

Yes, it definitely has a koto outer layer

https://abload.de/image.php?img=e696c9c0-b331-4d06-a0hjic.jpeg" rel="nofollow">

stiltt wrote: Sure we all agree on that. Congrats on the buyers. Can't wait to read the reviews and LMAOL.

What is there to laugh about?

Looks like koto, then CNF, then ?spruce?, and then ?kiri? for the core?

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/jointless-cores-and-veneers_topic79482.html" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/jointless-cores-and-veneers_topic79482.html

Here are pictures of 2 Vega Pro. Didn`t you say that Xiom uses a "jointless core"?

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And here another picture of the Vega Pro core, where you can see the usual unequal core structure

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Do you really think, that the Vega Pro core looks better than the core of the Revoldia?

I hold the Revoldia in my hands and can not see any indication for several core pieces.

Definitely a one piece core. 

Almost $400 for a 5-ply all wood to which 2 plies of wood dust mixed with glue were added: if you do not find that laughable, I do.

Why is that more laughable than the same price for an SZLC blade?  At least with the CNF the average player might play better than with an SZLC.  On that basis they should charge $600 for CNF.

Then carbon blades are just 5 plies + coal (dust I guess?)?

ALC/ZLC are just 5 plies plus coal plus cloth?

It's overpriced, ok, but the story is not quite that dumb.

But what about $15k in 2 weeks in St Barts and then Anguilla?

Seriously, stiltt - we need to accept this: In the US, TT is a relatively inexpensive sport. Do you know how much families spend on skiing here or dads spend on golf? Membership at the local tennis club near me is $8,500 annually. And it is really popular despite the fact that our towns have plenty of free courts available.

We just have to admit it and move on: for some of us (especially in the NY Tristate area / Bay Area in CA), the $350 difference in blade price is not significant if it lasts an year or more. Median bill if my 3 friends and I go to a decent (not great) restaurant in NYC is $350 without drinks.

So, then begs the question: Why is it bad for a TT company to make a (possibly) slightly better blade for those that can afford it? Why must they only cater to my or your budget and if not, they must be evil? 

because butterfly is the devil for making the best blades and rubbers and charging accordingly for it. granted, the super ZLC blades haven't taken off tremendously in popularity, likely due to the price and marginal performance differences, but thus, the market spoke and not many people bought it. however, the first year of dignics has been a big success because it does provide a lot of major benefits over tenergy which was already the best rubber in the market for a decade and counting.

if the same thing that happened with SZLC happens with CNF, so be it. or maybe it will be a success again. not sure why someone who has no interest in buying it would care about the price and go out of their way to laugh at people who do choose to make that purchase.

I have owned 2 MJ SZLC and each time I did not experience that sparkly moment when you feel like you really got something out of the ordinary. I had it with the regular mj, the mmaze alc, the barwell fleet, the violin, the apolonia, the nexy spear, the avalox P500, the xiom aria and vega pro, a lot of borko and ross leidy, the ludeack power pro, the andro kinetic supreme zylon hinoki, the 1st osp ultimate, the dotec hinoki, the speed 90, the darker 7p-2a-7t and I forget many that enchanted me. I never had the spark with any MJ SZLC I owned or ZJK SZLC I borrowed. The price was probably the cause because I expected more, I think with a valid reason.

Let's say I find something that cost $129 a fantastic blade but give me the same at $400 and I'll go "meh....": is this irrational?

I expect the Revoldia to act as a powerful 5-ply that plays crispier than a softish 7-ply ultimate, the dust coats compensating for the harder koto? We'll see. I'll try it for sure, for the heck of it, I am curious about the technology.

My own Revoldia has a weight of 88g. I hope I will get used to the flared handle.

Normally I clearly prefer ST handles, but the Revoldia is only available with FL.

Unfortunately there is no chance for a real training here in Germany.

And I don't think that this will be possible again before the end of August.

I am sure the Revoldia is great. It looks so good! the edge pictures are fantastic. What is the CNF ply? is it the white one? or the very thin black one?

About the core in multiple pieces: it is just a picky remark. Yes I see multiple pieces on the Revoldia and also there, on Butterfly's website:

http://www.butterfly-china.com/Home/Product?id=798" rel="nofollow - http://www.butterfly-china.com/Home/Product?id=798

I am talking about this picture:

No doubt it is stressful time for everyone, but let's all play nice on the internet anyway.

i'd vote to bring it back, whatever it was. got my popcorn out and could use some lockdown entertainment.

I used to like playing lego so much when I was a kid and I am thinking of a mashup of that and table tennis blade core manufacturing, starting there:
https://www.123rf.com/visual/search/9853691" rel="nofollow - https://www.123rf.com/visual/search/9853691 .

Not only will I save money in production costs but the core integrity of the blade will be strengthened for an harmonious dispersion of the ball impact between the pieces via the nano glue.

Looking at the picture Magic_M posted it looked like a one piece core, but it doesn't show the whole blade so it might not be. Looking at the picture you posted it looks like a multi piece core but it doesn't show the whole blade and the image quality isn't the best, so it might also not be. 

I share the opinion that the blade is outrageously expensive, and that is coming from a blade maker point of view. But I'm also of the opinion that I shouldn't pass judgment on those who can afford and will buy the blade. It's their money and they can do as they please.

Regarding the one piece or multi piece core, Butterfly never claimed they only make one piece cores, so you can't really judge them for something that's your expectation. I think it's much worse to announce the weight range of a blade and then having blades out there that are 10g over weight, like what happened with the Hariomoto ALC.

A multi piece core (2,3 pieces) doesn't affect performance. In fact, it can be better than a 1 piece core for several reasons:

-  Glue is stronger than wood -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f90QoWOs9TE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f90QoWOs9TE

- Wood is not homogeneous so it's easier to select similar pieces (density, grain direction)

- Paulownia (Kiri) is a relatively small tree, so bigger pieces are more likely to have more discontinuities

- Less waste

stiltt wrote: Maybe you peeps missed my picture above with the blue arrow? I see no more comment about the Revoldia core... I used to like playing lego so much when I was a kid and I am thinking of a mashup of that and table tennis blade core manufacturing, starting there: https://www.123rf.com/visual/search/9853691" rel="nofollow - https://www.123rf.com/visual/search/9853691 . Not only will I save money in production costs but the core integrity of the blade will be strengthened for an harmonious dispersion of the ball impact between the pieces via the nano glue.

The picture I posted is a zoom on the picture I found on Butterfly's website, you can see that vertical cut without zooming:

It's koto outer but feels more like anigre or even hinoki because it's soft and tender touch. If you play next with viscaria you will see what I mean even though it's koto outer as well.

Next discovery is that it is not a speed monster. A solid Off blade, no more. Very controllable in short game. But definitely enough power when rally begins to end it off.

Then comes throw angle which is high. Better stick some low throw rubbers on it or you will suffer.

Finally comes the touch feel which makes it very unique. It is not woody, not carbon/composite, not in between. Something new. It's plain, soft, steady with lots of feedback and no parasite vibration.

The flared handle is a little bit too thin to my taste but still very comfy.

Balance is top notch.

A very good blade altogether.

On the positive side I liked the over-all-feeling and the playing-skills when I played active. For example looping is very easy with this blade. I really enjoyed this part of the game.

Personally I need a blade which is nearly as good in the passive as in the active game.

I had used mizutani jun super zlc previously, so this is a huge change for me in terms of hardness. The CNF is a soft and flexible blade with unique feeling. 

Had posted it for sale on MYTT. Hope to sell it to a lucky user at a negotiable price