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Topic: D09c not tacky...
Posted By: jpenmaster
Subject: D09c not tacky...
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 10:52am
I got a sheet of Dignics 09C in. Rubber comes with a protective film sheet. I was a little surprised after removing the film sheet the rubber was not that tacky/sticky. It has a more grippy feel than D05 but isn't anything like a Chinese rubber or newer ESN hybrid.
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 1:34pm
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Thanks jpenmaster. What is the weight of the sheet and what are its dimensions? TIA. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: BauerPower
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 1:47pm
| I saw a Japanese review where D09c would pick up a ball for about 1-2 seconds. Was this not your experience? |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 2:38pm
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Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 3:01pm
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73grams is the uncut weight. No way my sheet would pick up a ball for 2 seconds its nothing like a hurricane rubber. The protective sheet is more sticky than the rubber. You can lift a ball off the table maybe an inch if you are lucky before it drops off. The top sheet has more grip not sure how that will translate into play
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Posted By: Creek
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 4:05pm
| is it 73g with protective film or without? |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 4:55pm
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 5:38pm
Hi, Thanks Jpenmaster; I do hope you have the opportunity now to hit a ball with it; would love to hear your thoughts. When you said this: It has a more grippy feel than D05 but isn't anything like a Chinese rubber or newer ESN hybrid. did you mean more grippy than Tenergy 05 or Dignics 05? I didn't anticipate it would be distinct in grippiness from Dignics 05. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
jpenmaster wrote:Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 5:44pm
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sorryI haven't played with it yet. Topsheet has more grip than D05 and T05 when you drag your finger across it. My blade has Dignics 09C on the FH and Dignics 80 on the BH so I should be able to tell pretty quick which has more spin on serve and during play ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 5:54pm
Thank you so much! ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 5:55pm
| Butterfly just posted a video interview with Ovtcharov on how wonderful D09C is. You always wonder how sincere these guys are in their endorsements, but he looks sincere. Maybe he's really good at acting? Or maybe he really does think it's the best rubber ever. Of course, how is anyone going to test it now? |
Posted By: flamingmdn
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 6:32pm
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When reviewing Ovtcharov No1 blade with Dan from TTDaily, Dima had a beautiful story behind the development of that blade and why he likes it so much. ...after two month he contracted with Butterfly :) But that was too good to be acting, he really looked very passionate about that blade. And I don't get why you need a wonderful story behind, there are many easier ways to tell a lie. So, I tend to believe Dima. But if it is best for him, this doesn't mean it would be best for everyone, especially on our level  ------------- Gewo Sensus Carbo Speed | Vega X |
Posted By: Creek
Date Posted: 03/30/2020 at 6:56pm
| dima will get a quite similar Butterfly blade. He currently plays an Innerforce ALC custom with bigger headsize which is basically the description of the Ovtcharov no1 Senso (without Senso handle) |
Posted By: AndiHL
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 12:43am
And both are basically a DHS 968 (national Version of HL5), I think... |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 6:43am
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Hi, On a related topic, the pricing of the Dignics' line continues to drop, with 09c at $94 in the U.S. the lowest yet. Because all the pricing is moving downward at a degree of granularity that suggests an algorithmic influence, the force of greatest impact is likely the Yen-to-USD exchange rate.
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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 10:53am
but the version they use is not what you get in stores
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Posted By: chongqinghotpot
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 12:03pm
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from what I saw, it does help to mitigate his FH issues ------------- USATT rating 2200 05Vis64 |
Posted By: guni4you
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 5:50pm
do you have table at home? Did you try playing with?
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Posted By: Leftstudio
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 6:22pm
It is called MARKETING - I am sure you've heard of that word before right? ------------- No signature required |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 6:40pm
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I do have a table at home just haven't had time to try it out ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: guni4you
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 7:28pm
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When you try please let me know how it is. Thanks.
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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 10:00pm
| Dima is lier. |
Posted By: vik2000
Date Posted: 03/31/2020 at 10:29pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FWaFc_8dgk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FWaFc_8dgk Based on this it's as tacky as Spin Art. They say Spin Art more closely resembles Hurricane while 09c is closer to a tensor rubber. Also, hardness of rubber on Butterfly scale, it's 48 for Spin Art and 44 for 09c. Looks like 09c will be easier to play for most people.
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 04/01/2020 at 9:30am
These are valuable observations; Thanks! ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 04/01/2020 at 10:11am
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Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/01/2020 at 10:14am
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Every Japanese review I see has Butterflys new blade Revoldia. They are trying hard to push that super saw dust blade. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 04/01/2020 at 10:18am
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To BTY’s credit: both T05 Hard and the Dignics series were excellent. Their production team makes great products regardless of how badly their pricing team gouges us! ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/01/2020 at 12:52pm
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Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 04/01/2020 at 1:41pm
I have a sheet of SpinArt which I test every so often, including just a few weeks ago (right before the pandemic starting closing clubs). In spite of the claimed 48 hardness, my sheet of SpinArt does not feel hard to me. Certainly not as hard as either T05H or D05. I believe (just a guess, really), that Butterfly used a different hardness scale instead of their usual one when they labelled the hardness of SpinArt as 48. I would put the real number as around 38, when compared to other Butterfly rubbers. That is, harder than T05 but less hard than T05H.
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 04/02/2020 at 12:40pm
That is not what I implied at all. They are a great production company first. Players never picked up on stuff like Bryce High Speed, despite all the advertising of new tech, etc. They also haven't picked up on the newer blades (like Hadraw series) despite their being marketed a lot more than Viscaria / TB-ALC. Most players (pros or kids in clubs) prefer playing with Tenergy / ALC blades (till late, that is - before all this Dignics stuff came into fore) because those products are fantastic. No denying that. Even despite the fact that I've never been a fan of T05 - it has been the best rubber overall in the world for a long, long time. And despite their array of newer products, that is where the bulk of their club-quality equipment production is focused on.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/02/2020 at 12:49pm
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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 04/02/2020 at 1:15pm
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I think the best Butterfly rubber is Tenergy 05. And it will keep on being the best rubber for long time i think... ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59801&title" rel="nofollow - My Collection http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59550&title" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: gatz
Date Posted: 04/05/2020 at 12:32pm
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https://youtu.be/GBCjQQVMoPw" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/GBCjQQVMoPw Review of Dignics 09C no english sub ------------- Blade: ZJ SZLC, Garayda 5000 Matador Texa Rubbers: FH::Symmetry SP BH: Tenergy Hard, FH: MoristoSP ax BH: Tenergy Hard,FH:Desperado 2 BH: Omega 7 Asia |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 04/05/2020 at 8:07pm
Sadly, all the reviews are in Japanese. What happened to that one kid that was translating Japanese videos?
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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 04/05/2020 at 8:19pm
I was looking for one of his videos recently and it looks like he got shut down by youtube for copyright infringement. such a shame
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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 04/09/2020 at 1:29pm
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Posted By: DarkerMyLove
Date Posted: 04/09/2020 at 9:29pm
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I just glued a sheet of D09c and also found the topsheet not sticky at all. I did see that Japanese youtube review where it could lift the ball for 1 second. I'm guessing it might be due to QC or temp/humidity variations, but I could NOT lift the ball even slightly. The "tackiness" can be felt when doing a ball bounce test like Dan from TTD in his review. Also it can be felt if you are cleaning the rubber using your breath and the palm of your hand-- has a very grippy feel.
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Posted By: bokai
Date Posted: 04/09/2020 at 11:53pm
| After watching Dan's review on TTD, I feel that D09c is just an one layer boosted H3 rubber. Just alot more expensive. TBH, I was hoping for it to be faster than what I saw on the bounce test. However, this is a PROs rubber and they practise alot more intense and more in general than us. I will give this rubber a pass and keep my Dignics 05. In additionally, I believe when its humid the rubber will be VERY bad to play haha. |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 04/10/2020 at 12:56am
Funny you mentioned that about bad play with humidity. That's why I stopped playing with Tenergy on the FH -- the play just got awful with high humidity. On the other hand, Dignics has played very well with humidity. I actually expect D09c to play really,really well with humidity. Also, whatever D09c might be, my interpretation of Dan's review from TTD didn't really sound like boosted H3. But I think we need to see more reviews.
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Posted By: BauerPower
Date Posted: 04/10/2020 at 1:10am
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I almost feel like D09c gets tackier as time goes on. I’ve only been at home hitting around with it in my living room, but now I can pick a ball up for about one second. However when I first put in on 10 days ago, I couldn’t lift it more than a fraction of a second. I don’t know if there is some tiny bit of oil residue or something that wore off. But I think it is a very good rubber. I’ve played T05Hard for over a year, and I already like this better. I’ve played unboosted H3 Provincial Blue Sponge for a few months before and the one thing I didn’t like was out of position and flatter shots had no power. D09c seems to fix this. Can’t wait to play an actual match with it.
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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 04/10/2020 at 10:46am
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Dignics 09c explained by Butterfly pro player Dang Qiu: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2301708493463811&id=1681065928861407" rel="nofollow - https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2301708493463811&id=1681065928861407 ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: taczkid
Date Posted: 04/10/2020 at 11:51am
| Someone said in this post best rubber is Tenergy 05, I would say it was! If timo is using 09C on both sides then definitely 09C is currently the best Butterfly rubber! Based on some of the reviews and it being slightly improved T05H in my opinion, dig09C is probably a phenomenal rubber it just that it might take longer time to adjust and truly unleash its playing abilities etc. Just like 05H was different to me from all tenergy series, seems as 09C is different from all the Dignics series. If so many players are switching to it I would say it definitely is a great rubber. As far as looking at butterfly players both Timo & Ovtcharov are playing much better, hey not long ago Ovtcharov took down World #1 FZD using 09C I think that speaks for itself! I will buy it as soon as the Quarantine is over so I can play with it not just look at it :-) |
Posted By: Tek101
Date Posted: 04/10/2020 at 12:31pm
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here is a nice comparison video between 09c and D 05 has English Subs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6OPjq29skM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6OPjq29skM I am not a Butterfly guy (only equipment I have ever bought is a sheet of Speedy PO, Bryce, and a VSG-3000 Blade) but, this has me intrigued.... I might have to try a sheet of 09c ------------- |Xiom Ice Cream AZX| |FH: https://ttdd.eu/sword-long-can-pro-version.html" rel="nofollow - Sword Long Can Pro Version |BH: Xiom Vega Asia DF Max |
Posted By: bokai
Date Posted: 04/11/2020 at 7:39am
| Any rubber that is tacky is bad against humid weather IMO. But ofc its best to try it to get the best idea of it. |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 04/11/2020 at 2:49pm
I wonder if other people feel the same as you? My experience is the opposite: all rubbers lose traction in humid conditions, but tacky rubbers do better than non-tacky rubbers.
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Posted By: bokai
Date Posted: 04/11/2020 at 9:24pm
Moisture on tacky surfaces reduces the tack of rubbers because it acts like a lubricant on the top sheet. Hence, why I believe tacky rubbers are no good under humid weather. I tried commercial H3 (I have no care about national or provincial because they are all fake except for the ones the pros use) and I felt under humid weathers it just isn't reliable. Additionally, Chinese rubbers are not consistent anyway so IMO they are the worst rubbers under humidity. In regards to D09c, I assume (I haven't tried the rubber yet so I can only make vague assumptions) it will be better than Chinese rubbers under humid conditions because of the consistency of Butterfly products. However, I suppose its all down to personal feeling at the end  .
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Posted By: murrayblhrc
Date Posted: 04/24/2020 at 1:53pm
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I thought the 09C was shipping April 1. Anyone receive and use? Can not find a review anywhere.
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Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 04/24/2020 at 2:05pm
Dan at Table Tennis Daily posted a preliminary review. The problem is that since all the club around the world are closed, you can't really test it. The most you can do is hit against a robot, which doesn't tell you much about a rubber. I don't expect to see any serious reviews (in English) until clubs open back up again.
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Posted By: Tappie
Date Posted: 04/24/2020 at 2:24pm
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I bought a sheet on the 4th of april and received it a few days later. I have only practiced against a robot so I can only give some first impressions: - the sheet I received is not really tacky. I would call it hybrid. It has not the tackiness of H3neo or Battle 2 but it’s grippier than mx-s or tenergy 05 - It’s a very hard rubber and quite dead on soft contacts but it’s easier to generate speed than traditional chinese rubbers. - It feels like a very spinny rubber but I’ll need to play against a real opponent to verify this.
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Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 04/24/2020 at 4:58pm
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I tried it for 1 week. It is nothing you played or tried it before. It's name is dignics but does not have anything in common to the dignics series. It is fast very fast not any like Chinese rubber not even like spinart. It is very spinny specially on serves. It is super easy to lift bacspin. Counterlooping is a dream, you will feel yourself a pro just ripping anything that comes your way. Unlike Chinese rubbers it is very high throw that if you loop straight to the net you will have an arc with the ball. Control is bad specially if you play a dead ball or just put your hand without moving your wrist, it just goes down to the net. It is difficult to play with coming from tenergy. you will feel that if your shots that were escaping the net with tenergy would go long off the table with 9C, and balls that are supposed to go to the net just land on the table on the other side. Really a mind cracker if you played tenergy or mxp for a long time. ------------- Butterfly Fransizka ZLC FL Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 FH Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 BH |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 04/24/2020 at 5:42pm
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Hi, [As reported.] Among the very helpful observations from Dan at Table Tennis Daily was a fine comparison he made in the written comments. He stated that Tenergy 05 Hard is much closer in playing characteristics and feel to Tenergy 05 than it is to Dignics 09C. The feel and play of Dignics 09C is very distinctive among the three rubbers. Dignics 05 has a tackier topsheet than Tenergy 05. Dignics 09C has a tackier topsheet than Dignics 05. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 04/24/2020 at 6:42pm
There s a new rubber called Tenergy 19 https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/LARC-2020-final-3.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/LARC-2020-final-3.pdf
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 04/24/2020 at 7:31pm
Thanks. Embracing the assumption that Tenergy 19 will come to market (unlike Tenergy 09C which did not), it does prompt to mind the commitment by Butterfly to extend the Tenergy line in the Shiny New Era of Dignics. With the clear trend of harder forehand sponges in the sport, it was reasonable and intelligent to release Tenergy 05 Hard to provide a Butterfly participant in this trend. Were I have guessed, I would have guessed that Butterfly would not further extend the Tenergy line. The Tenergy line is very rich right now. With the Dignics arena open for expansion, it would be my thought that the major new product energies would be applied there. [Again, assuming Tenergy 19 comes to market] The above discussion only reveals that I do not know Butterfly's strategic thinking. In recognizing the standard retail marketing philosophy of targeting particular consumers with particular tastes, it reveals the Butterfly thought that a significant customer base exists and will exist for the Tenergy line, thus justifying yet another appealing option for them. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: kunglao
Date Posted: 04/25/2020 at 8:09am
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Tried the 09c for a few days on zjkszlc blade I’m a 2200 level player and played a few matches with it against 2400 level player. Here are my observations: Not sticky but very grippy. Needs some impact for the ball to move Definitely better spin than d05 or d80 Blocks surprisingly well when used on the backhand Serves better than all current bty rubbers ( except spin art imho) Arc is very similar to t05 Overall very good rubber from bty. I will probably switch to it on both sides Btw, I had boosted d80 on the other side. D80 is faster but has less spin quality. My first loop with d09c gave more problems to my opponent compared to the boosted d80. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/08/2020 at 10:08pm
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Used it now - 1.9mm on both sides of a Carbonado 245 (which is a bit faster than my usual 145 and 45 blades where I use Tenergy 05 hard) - it definitely releases the ball more slowly than Tenergy 05 Hard. That said, it enables you to hit a wider variety of shots with deceptive spin variation - I can play dummy loops and pushes much more effectively with this. I suspect at some point Ma Long is going to stick this on his backhand. I think a lot of good players are going to switch to this on their forehand because it just enables much better countering. when taking the ball early. I think the big deal here is that the Dignics sponge makes this work really well. I suspect that Tenergy 09C would be faster and you would lose some dwell that the Dignics sponge gives. I would say that if feels like those less tacky Provincial or National hurricane rubbers but with a tremendous sponge. Maybe a true Chinese tacky rubber lover will not like it, but someone coming from a Tenergy but needing a short game boost will really love it after some practice.
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 05/09/2020 at 7:34am
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Hi, There are some subtle yet interesting things here. I think the big deal here is that the Dignics sponge makes this work really well. Isn't it the case that what we understand indicates that the Dignics 09c sponge is different than the Dignics 05 sponge, thus promoting in the above statement the qualification by stating ". . . is that the Dignics 09c sponge makes . . ."? I suspect that Tenergy 09C would be faster and you would lose some dwell that the Dignics sponge gives. The information we had available concerning Tenergy 09c suggested that it was in a earlier product development process than Dignics 09c, yet it was Dignics 09c that was released, not the Tenergy version. This strongly suggests that Tenergy 09c will never be released, perhaps due to the phenomenon mentioned in the statement above. Also as an extrapolation of the above line of thought; if Tenergy 19 does see the light of day, it will play distinctively from how Tenergy 09c did. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/09/2020 at 7:52am
I'm contrasting Dignics and Tenergy - while the Tenergy 05 Hard sponge is harder than the Tenergy 05, it is still a Tenergy sponge. Same with the Dignics 05 and Dignics 09C. The thing is that even with Dignics 05, when I tested it, I felt I had a speed issue - it is almost as if the ball wants to sink into your rubber even when you crash it really hard and you never got pure speed and power - you always got something that was controlled and spin oriented. For a harder sponged tacky rubber, this behavior is more logical as your spin/power threshold is higher. So with a Dignics sponge, you don't need as much tack to get a similar response to what you desire in a tacky rubber. Hope that makes sense. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 05/09/2020 at 10:12am
If you are used to playing with Hurricane 3, Dignics 05 is quite fast in comparison. I'm currently playing Dignics 05 Backhand and boostedH3 Provincial on the forehand. The difference is quite a lot. If you use h3 technique with Dignics on your forehand, its honestly a monster with loads of power. Im imagining D09c to be a beast. However, being jobless, I'm not even going to consider it. Rakza Z however, is in my budget. I wonder how it compares?
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 05/09/2020 at 1:58pm
IMHO, from my limited experience (7 months and 2 blades), while looping, D05 feels more powerful when you use a harder blade that promotes spin generation by penetration of ball into sponge (like TB-ALC) than a softer blade that promotes more brushing (like HL5). I am going to try D09C / D05 combo on something a bit harder than TBALC. This is D09C reviewed by a high level H3 user. They mention in the notes below the video that H3 BS Provincial 41(!, presumably boosted) is faster than D09C. http://youtu.be/dSf7rb_1PS8" rel="nofollow - http://youtu.be/dSf7rb_1PS8 ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/09/2020 at 4:16pm
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a bit off topic: in slevin's video, is the guy with the orange shirt looking like a former PH player who switched to SH? especially in his fh looping stroke? ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 05/09/2020 at 5:28pm
Or maybe his coach was a PH player. His FH does have hint of RSM about it. But,IMO, his backhand looks quite natural as if that has been his style for the great majority of his playing years. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 05/09/2020 at 9:07pm
I'm using Timo Boll Spirit currently. Same same Timo Boll ALC.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 06/28/2020 at 8:12am
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Agreed with the comments on this page, D09c is an absolute monster... You get both a good dead response for very good over the table shots and also the springy super spinny and speedy loops...ie combining the best attributes of both Chinese tacky and Japanese grippy rubbers. The only problem is the price lol....I guess we probably pay for what we get after all... I'm a convert! ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |