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Topic: JOOLA Vyzaryz Blades
Posted By: idk
Subject: JOOLA Vyzaryz Blades
Date Posted: 06/27/2020 at 8:47pm
Three new blades released by JOOLA now for sale.


https://joolausa.com/vyzaryz-hybrid-table-tennis-blade/" rel="nofollow - Vyzaryz Hybrid - one side Super PBO-C (Super ZLC), one side PBO-C (ZLC)
Price: 249.95 USD

https://joolausa.com/vyzaryz-freeze-table-tennis-blade/" rel="nofollow - Vyzaryz Freeze - "temperature cured" ALC blade
Price: 199.95 USD

https://joolausa.com/vyzaryz-trinity-table-tennis-blade/" rel="nofollow - Vyzaryz Trinity - ZLC and ALC woven together
Price: 274.95 USD





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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 06/27/2020 at 8:48pm
Bold pricing strategy by JOOLA.


Posted By: timoboll89
Date Posted: 06/28/2020 at 2:15am
handles come from italy, the company is located near my house.
It’s the same company stiga uses for their handles


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 12:09pm
Originally posted by timoboll89 timoboll89 wrote:

handles come from italy, the company is located near my house.
It’s the same company stiga uses for their handles


A company makes handles only?


Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Bold pricing strategy by JOOLA.

Yes, and perhaps more bold is the dual/two-sided construction specifying forehand and backhand distinctions.

Thanks.


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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 12:30pm
Hi,

I know not who is making these decisions nor what are all the influences, however I hold great confidence in Richard Lee's business acumen.  JOOLA will demonstrate an assertive nature surpassing its past disposition.

Thanks.


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Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 1:20pm
It's an interesting problem for sure.  If you are 10th or 15th worldwide in market share and brand recognition, how do you climb up the table.

Xiom has focused on their home market and trying to leverage Hugo to become a top brand in South America.  

Joola could try to do the same in the US.  If they could peel Kanak away from Bty they would have our two best players.  And maybe if they start sponsoring all the clubs/coaches/juniors they will strike gold.

If america is the target then a set of high end expensive blades is the way to go.  We have few players but much money.  You don't want to be competing with yinhe here.   

Good luck to them. The more businesses with a stake in the growth of TT here the better.


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

It's an interesting problem for sure.  If you are 10th or 15th worldwide in market share and brand recognition, how do you climb up the table.

Xiom has focused on their home market and trying to leverage Hugo to become a top brand in South America.  

Joola could try to do the same in the US.  If they could peel Kanak away from Bty they would have our two best players.  And maybe if they start sponsoring all the clubs/coaches/juniors they will strike gold.

If america is the target then a set of high end expensive blades is the way to go.  We have few players but much money.  You don't want to be competing with yinhe here.   

Good luck to them. The more businesses with a stake in the growth of TT here the better.


JOOLA seems to have presence in North America mostly, Brazil, and a little bit in Germany.

Missing out on Hugo was a big loss - they are trying to grow in Brazil, and when his sponsorship with Cornilleau ran out, that was a golden opportunity to gain traction in Brazil and worldwide. However, they do sponsor many clubs/coaches/junior programs in the USA which you mentioned as a good strategy.

I doubt they can lure Kanak away from Butterfly. They actually previously sponsored him when he was a kid, but I don't see why Kanak would switch unless he were de-sponsored by Butterfly. He also doesn't seem prone to changing equipment often.

It is fair that they want to be seen as an elite brand and price their products as such, however, I can't see why someone would pay more to try a new ALC blade in the Vyzaryz Freeze, when they could get a known quantity with the TBALC/Viscaria/ZJK ALC for cheaper. Why not set a more mid grade price and then change your pricing structure if you prove yourself? Apart from the Rossi Emotion, JOOLA hasn't been known for putting out great blades as far as I know. And let's say I buy the Vyzaryz Freeze and it turns out to be good, is it going to be even better to justify the higher price than TBALC/Viscaria/ZJK ALC? Maybe they think so...


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Bold pricing strategy by JOOLA.
Xiom and Nexy tried with more or less success. I think strategic thinking at Joola is on the same path and just go with their guts: "We have the same know-how and the same sources for procurement to build the best blades so we'll price them as such, aligning with what is practiced at the top." 

Now marketing and related sponsorship must follow and they do pretty well. Between Lily Zhang embracing the Joola brand and with documentation like the "innovative low temperature curing technique brings extra feeling and touch to the blade", they sure up their game fast. 

I notice their technical staff must have spent a lot of time on the tt forums and they know how we think that's for sure, that inspires trust ClapClapClap.

Some thoughts about this in my post above.

Lily is a good sponsorship for the North American market, but especially after losing Quadri, JOOLA doesn't have many world class players. Next best is Pistej I believe.

Xiom and Nexy had success in only Korea, which may be what JOOLA is going for.


Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 2:01pm
Instead of releasing those new blades with ridiculous prices Joola should bring back the old Kool blade.


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 2:16pm
My club (SpinBlock), is sponsored by Joola and I now have these 3 new blades setup as demos with Dynaryz AGR and ACC rubbers.  I was quite excited to get these 3 new blades and set them up for players to hit with.
The build quality is very good, and the handles are very nice, and I like the direction Joola is going with their new logo and new high-quality rubbers and blades.  I've hit with all 3 of these blades and really like the Freeze blade.  Most players that have hit with them have either preferred the Trinity or Freeze blade.  I haven't really hit with the Hybrid blade so I can't say much about that one yet.
The Freeze blade is fast, but it has good feel and control.  The Trinity blade is a little more firm or stiff and has a little more speed.  I let a 2400 player hit with the Freeze blade with Dynaryz AGR on the forehand and he really liked how crisp it felt but with still good control.  He had just bought a new Victas blade that he paid about $170, but after hitting with the Freeze with the AGR he said he didn't want to go back to playing with his Victas blade and rubber.  
The Rossi Emotion PBO-C came out a few months ago and I have been playing with that since.  I really like how solid this blade felt coupled with the control it has.  The Freeze blade is similar but just a little faster.  
I really think these are excellent blades and think they are worth the money.  They have the Italian-made handles and are manufactured in Korea, and the quality is top-notch.  Some of the players at the club use the Butterfly Viscaria, so I've played with both the Freeze and Viscaria and prefer the Freeze.  I like the direction that Joola is going and am looking forward to the other new blades that will come out soon.  If you like a fast and fairly stiff blade that still has good control then you will like the Trinity blade.  If you like something just a bit slower with more feel then the Freeze is the way to go.  I will also give the Hybrid a try to see what my impressions are.  


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Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade
Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

What I see Joola doing with great success is maintaining an honorable presence in Europe to keep brand recognition worldwide while intensely focusing on its real goal: the conquest of its new home, America.

Whatever happened to the Joola Tour? there were a driving force around that concept for a while. I strongly believe Joola should go for gold in a blitzkrieg style: a USA tour they sponsor by giving the "Joola Tour stamp" to local applicants, partially fund them with material and maybe money prize and maintaining a personal rating system, much like the ATP/WTA does, where local tourneys may be locally owned but operate within a common framework. We might end up with the shadow of a NBA/NHL like private organization in a typical American way but who cares as long as it produces top players in a game that will still follow ITTF rules?



Their presence in Europe is not huge, conquering the Americas makes sense, and again missing on Calderano was a big loss as Brazil is one of their big markets.

I believe they run the major tournaments in the USA still however the "tour" has gone away as tournaments have shifted towards being hosted by private clubs or groups.


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 2:20pm
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

My club (SpinBlock), is sponsored by Joola and I now have these 3 new blades setup as demos with Dynaryz AGR and ACC rubbers.  I was quite excited to get these 3 new blades and set them up for players to hit with.
The build quality is very good, and the handles are very nice, and I like the direction Joola is going with their new logo and new high-quality rubbers and blades.  I've hit with all 3 of these blades and really like the Freeze blade.  Most players that have hit with them have either preferred the Trinity or Freeze blade.  I haven't really hit with the Hybrid blade so I can't say much about that one yet.
The Freeze blade is fast, but it has good feel and control.  The Trinity blade is a little more firm or stiff and has a little more speed.  I let a 2400 player hit with the Freeze blade with Dynaryz AGR on the forehand and he really liked how crisp it felt but with still good control.  He had just bought a new Victas blade that he paid about $170, but after hitting with the Freeze with the AGR he said he didn't want to go back to playing with his Victas blade and rubber.  
The Rossi Emotion PBO-C came out a few months ago and I have been playing with that since.  I really like how solid this blade felt coupled with the control it has.  The Freeze blade is similar but just a little faster.  
I really think these are excellent blades and think they are worth the money.  They have the Italian-made handles and are manufactured in Korea, and the quality is top-notch.  Some of the players at the club use the Butterfly Viscaria, so I've played with both the Freeze and Viscaria and prefer the Freeze.  I like the direction that Joola is going and am looking forward to the other new blades that will come out soon.  If you like a fast and fairly stiff blade that still has good control then you will like the Trinity blade.  If you like something just a bit slower with more feel then the Freeze is the way to go.  I will also give the Hybrid a try to see what my impressions are.  


Thanks for sharing. It is interesting to hear that some qualified experiences differ from JOOLA's stated speed ratings of the Freeze being faster than the Trinity. Of course those things are not typically accurate.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

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Their presence in Europe is not huge, conquering the Americas makes sense, and again missing on Calderano was a big loss as Brazil is one of their big markets.

I believe they run the major tournaments in the USA still however the "tour" has gone away as tournaments have shifted towards being hosted by private clubs or groups.
yes and it is good that locals tourneys are owned and operated independently, like the tennis US Open. 

Joola should just have a process to integrate local tourneys to their "Joola Neo Tour" Tongue, they would give spots to local clubs who in exchange get balls, clipboards, trophies, swag, banners. Everybody wins. Joola organizing them all would force too heavy a structure while licensing away is just office work, project management,  shipping stuff  and going to lunch Sleepy

If at the same time Joola is good enough to integrate a reliable process to live stream their "Joola Neo Tour" events based on an easy to use paid account, we have a potential winner. Nowadays it can be done with a laptop so ONE paid account per streamed table(s) would be good enough for the whole thing and the Joola guy who comes and sells stuff in a booth at the tourney would be in charge of that.

At this time in my beautiful life, it is more than ever recommended to make a living doing what I really enjoy and - what a coincidence - I need a job! Do you want me to do it Joola? I am qualified Star and I'll do it off a travelling bus in which I'll live and transport the Joola booth (mount, dismount, carry on and off the bus...) and stuff for sale from tourney to tourney, material that gets shipped to me to the places where they happen depending the sales at the last event so I always have a fresh stock. mjamja will counsel me about surviving on the road. OH SHOOT! I should not have mentioned him, he will want the job for himself now. Actually he would be maybe better at it so I'd just submit to the traveling ping pong monk since...HEY! now that I think about it, it's a 2 persons job. I am very clean in a shared mobile home bus so no worries mjamja: are you in? we won't be rich but we'll be happy.





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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 8:47pm
Hi,

One major JOOLA strategy in the U.S. is the "conversion" of clubs to JOOLA sponsored.  I know some of the big table tennis centers changing to JOOLA include ICC, Maryland Table Tennis Center, and Triangle.  These are major successes for the brand.

In addition, JOOLA has a program that is attractive for our great set of medium-sized U.S. clubs to be JOOLA sponsored, including the Northern Virginia Table Tennis Center.  

I am not privileged as to the details of these arrangements.  That said, they must be appealing indeed to see this acceptance by these very fine table tennis centers.

Thanks.


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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 11:37pm
JOOLA has done well by me, and the fact that they have changed their logo and are producing more higher end products has me much more excited. They also have some robots coming out later this year and I’m looking forward to them. 



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Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade
Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: qpskfec
Date Posted: 06/30/2020 at 11:50pm
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

JOOLA has done well by me, and the fact that they have changed their logo and are producing more higher end products has me much more excited. They also have some robots coming out later this year and I’m looking forward to them. 



You have done reviews of several of Charlie's BBC blades in the past. How would you compare the Joola blades to Charlie's.

I have been thinking about getting another BBC blade like the Nine or Hinoki Ghost.



Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/01/2020 at 12:56am
Hmmm...good question. Charlie makes great blades, and his handles are second to none, but I don’t think he has access to these new carbon weaves that Butterfly, JOOLA, and some other manufacturers use. These new JOOLA blades with the PBO-C are really superb as far as speed and control. The handles on these new blades are very comfortable as well, so I prefer these new blades over the BBC Nine and Ghost, but you can’t hardly go wrong with his blades either. The other thing to consider is his blades are custom made and if he ever decides to stop making them you’re out of luck. 
Out of the new Vinaryz blades I prefer the Freeze. It is not quite as fast or stiff as the Trinity or Hybrid. I was told it would be similar to the Butterfly Viscaria. My practice partner tonight had a Viscaria with Dynaryz ACC on it, the same as mine, and we both preferred the Freeze to it. The overall weight of both rackets was just a couple grams different, but the balance of the Freeze was better. He actually thought the Freeze was lighter, but it turned out the Freeze was about 3 grams heavier. The Freeze’s handle was also slightly larger and more comfortable, and the Freeze was slightly faster and more solid. 
He also had Dignics 05 on the FH, while I had Dynaryz AGR, and the AGR was much better IMO. It was faster and easier to play with. 


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Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade
Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 07/07/2020 at 3:13pm
Thanks AcudaDave - any comparison between the Super PBOC and Super ZLC blades i.e ZJK or Mizutani from Butterfly?


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 07/07/2020 at 3:17pm
hmmm still waiting for the new blades to come. 

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ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach


Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 07/07/2020 at 9:43pm
Your reviews are biased to maximum so this is the worst way to promote blades.

Okay I had  chance to hold xiom blades and new joola blades.
This is the same Korean company and Italian handles.  Handles are the most important part of every blade so this is good choice.

This type of blade dont get attention like butterfly but in my opinion this is the best way to spend money. No biased reviews, no expectations.
Butterfly ups the price but quality looks worse than 2-3 years ago


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/08/2020 at 11:57pm
Ive hit with Jim Mizutani blade and liked it very much. It had a good feel and still had plenty of power.  I would say the Mizutani blade and Rossi Emotion PBO-C are fairly similar in speed and feel. Neither one of them are really all that fast IMO. 
The Butterfly Viscaria blade and Freeze are fairly similar in speed but the Freeze has a little more feel. I’ve let a couple of players that use the Viscaria blade hit with the Freeze and they both thought the blades were similar in speed with the Freeze having a little more feel. The Butterfly blades are very nice but the handles are a little thin for me. You’ll just have to try one out for yourself. All I can say is that the quality is very good, the handles are great, and they have a good feel even though they are fast. 


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Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade
Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 07/09/2020 at 2:32am
i would honestly say the quality of Joola blades improved vastly starting with their PBO blades. The new Joola owner seems to be taking quality and performance with high regard. 

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ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 07/10/2020 at 4:32am
The one who will spend 200-300 usd on a Joola blade has to be confident at 100%, otherwise the capital loss will be huge....

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Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 07/10/2020 at 11:33am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

i would honestly say the quality of Joola blades improved vastly starting with their PBO blades. The new Joola owner seems to be taking quality and performance with high regard. 

I have to disagree. Joola blades have been very good for decades. At least on par with Donic, tibhar and Andro. Rossi fire, Rosskopf emotion, Viva, fever, force, Zolli light are classics and I wish to their new blades as much success as their ancestors. The new blades are indeed looking good but I fear the price will make some potential customers a bit reluctant.


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Vega pro 2.0mm
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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 07/10/2020 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by Jolan Jolan wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

i would honestly say the quality of Joola blades improved vastly starting with their PBO blades. The new Joola owner seems to be taking quality and performance with high regard. 

I have to disagree. Joola blades have been very good for decades. At least on par with Donic, tibhar and Andro. Rossi fire, Rosskopf emotion, Viva, fever, force, Zolli light are classics and I wish to their new blades as much success as their ancestors. The new blades are indeed looking good but I fear the price will make some potential customers a bit reluctant.


Maybe the Rosskopf Emotion or Viva but even that would be a stretch to call a "classic". It enjoyed mild popularity several years back I'd say. I think people would consider blades like the Viscaria, Clipper, TB ALC, Ma Lin Extra, Acoustic, etc. classics.

Neither Donic, TIBHAR, nor Andro have any blades from the top of their line coming in at 275 or 250 USD like these new JOOLA offerings. At that price point, JOOLA is competing with top of the line blades with good reputations such as the Jun Mizutani, and this price point is firmly higher than classics such as the TB ALC etc. It is a bold move for a company that is not one of the leaders in the blade market hence why I expected them to come in at a lower price point, and then raise it if it becomes successful (much like Butterfly did with Tenergy).




Posted By: timoboll89
Date Posted: 07/11/2020 at 3:20am
the other cheaper blades are still in their range eh...rossi emotion, fever and some others are really good


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 07/11/2020 at 4:03am
Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by Jolan Jolan wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

i would honestly say the quality of Joola blades improved vastly starting with their PBO blades. The new Joola owner seems to be taking quality and performance with high regard. 

I have to disagree. Joola blades have been very good for decades. At least on par with Donic, tibhar and Andro. Rossi fire, Rosskopf emotion, Viva, fever, force, Zolli light are classics and I wish to their new blades as much success as their ancestors. The new blades are indeed looking good but I fear the price will make some potential customers a bit reluctant.


Maybe the Rosskopf Emotion or Viva but even that would be a stretch to call a "classic". It enjoyed mild popularity several years back I'd say. I think people would consider blades like the Viscaria, Clipper, TB ALC, Ma Lin Extra, Acoustic, etc. classics.

Neither Donic, TIBHAR, nor Andro have any blades from the top of their line coming in at 275 or 250 USD like these new JOOLA offerings. At that price point, JOOLA is competing with top of the line blades with good reputations such as the Jun Mizutani, and this price point is firmly higher than classics such as the TB ALC etc. It is a bold move for a company that is not one of the leaders in the blade market hence why I expected them to come in at a lower price point, and then raise it if it becomes successful (much like Butterfly did with Tenergy).



I completely disagree. If what you say is true then there would be no reports of the joola kool breaking off. They might be good but tjey are never in the level of quality starting with the pbo blades. 


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ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 07/11/2020 at 12:29pm
Yogi, was that reply directed at me or Jolan? I don't understand your reply in reference to my post.


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 07/11/2020 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Yogi, was that reply directed at me or Jolan? I don't understand your reply in reference to my post.

Sorry, it was for Jolan. 


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ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/26/2020 at 6:07pm
Hi, now there is the JOOLA VYZARYZ TRINITY and a review from Yogi.

http://joolausa.com/joola-vyzaryz-trinity-table-tennis-blade-review-by-yogi_bear/" rel="nofollow - https://joolausa.com/joola-vyzaryz-trinity-table-tennis-blade-review-by-yogi_bear/

I want to try it so badly!!!




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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/27/2020 at 7:33pm
the Freeze is still my favorite. The other 2 are really good too but they just seem to be faster than what I wanted. 

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Posted By: Zwill
Date Posted: 06/05/2021 at 7:27pm
I bought a Trinity blade earlier this year, because I found the triple weave intriguing. I'm not a huge ZLC fan myself, I prefer ALC so the Trinity with the triple weave seamed like something special. (I do understand the befit to ZLC and I would love to take advantage of it, but so far I wasn't able to with pure ZLC blades)

I will take the opportunity to take yogi_bear's Joola review as base since I think excellent points were made in it.

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Weight: 87 grams
Plies: 5+2 (Limba, X3 – Limba – Ayous – Limba – X3 – Limba)
Thickness: 5.76 mm
Speed: Off to Off+
Stiffness: Nearly Stiff
I know even Joola is saying this has an Ayous core, but that is totally BS. This blade has Kiri core. Quite easy to determine, on the cross section kiri has "year ring holes", while ayous doesn't have any year ring type holes, just a very consistent hole pattern. In fact I saw Joola say Kiri or Ayous in different catalogues (english vs chinese). This is very WTF, they don't know what they designed?

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

This is the one that I tested first since this is the unique blade in the series and probably the first of its kind in the market that I know of. Having 3 composite materials in a single weave is unheard of for me for major brands. Other blades that I know in the market now are composed of alc and zlc on one side of the blade but never the combination of 3 materials. Overall construction of the blade is comparable to Butterfly’s higher end blades. The Korean factory that makes these blades has good quality control compared to the previous Chinese factory that makes their older blades. I forgot if Sunflex is the one that makes their older blades or some other OEM factories. The handle felt a little bigger than the TB ALC in some of the areas. The measurement is 25.66mm x 34mm at the base of the flared handle but in some area such as the neck of the blade, it felt a little bigger than the TB ALC. I have another blade from a different brand that was made under the same factory but it was a little smaller. The logo is made of thin metal covered by plastic probably to protect tarnishing due to sweat contact.
Fully agree, quality is excellent, I would even dare to say that the Korean factory might condition the wood better than Butterfly. I think the other Korean brand mentioned is Xiom and indeed the handle of Joola is thicker and more coarse. I prefer it over Xiom.

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

I used the JOOLA Dynaryz AGR, JOOLA Rhyzer Pro 45, TSP Spectol Red and Battle 2 rubbers for this test. I opted to use several rubbers because I needed to see the blade’s flexibility in using different kinds of rubbers for different styles of game plays. To be honest, the Vyzaryz Trinity felt weird when I was using it for the first time. It felt weird in the sense that the feeling is quite different and not because it felt bad. It was an unusual feel because the mix of zylon’s stiffness combined with some flexy feel of the arylate. It is hard to describe the feel but let me just say that it is not as stiff as the Vyzaryz Hybrid which only uses ZLC or any other ZLC or Super ZLC blades in the market but at the same time it feels much harder or has more stiffness than usual ALC blades.
I tried H3 OS 41, Rozena, Stiga Mantra Hard, Battle 2 golden, battle 2 blue sponge, Tibhar K2, and Yasaka hovering dragon and Butterfly Aibiss.
I totally agree again with the reviewer, it feels nothing like any other blade. For sure the triple weaved artificial material has a role, but in fact this is a very complex topic. I understand this was a review made especially for Joola so competitors are barely named (but surely tested tho), the weirdness comes from the slightly thicker outer limba layer, the unusual artificial material construction and the slightly thinner kiri core's combination. The thicker outer limba wants to absorb energy almost like an innerforce blade, then there's the flexible nature of arylate that spices up thins once the outer limba is penetrated, and after that if you try to dial in big shots the kiri wants to flex, but the zylon makes it tensioned. This blade has many gears, and if you are someone who wants a slower blade on weak shots but a faster blade on powerful shots you should consider. On weak shots there is no vibration but on powerful shots it feels like a thinner (boll ZLF) blade with the extra benefit of the outer limba's deformation characteristics. 

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

For the speed, even though it is rated as Off, I can definitely say it is Off+ because I would placed it as a notch or 2 faster than Viscaria which we all know is rated as an Off+ blade but if you try to analyze it, it is not that fast compared to other known off+ blades. The TB ALC having the same composition as the Viscaria also felt slower than the Trinity and you can feel the difference in speed. The speed is fast not only because I was using the Dynaryz AGR on the forehand and Rhyzer 45 in the backhand but because despite using the Battle 2 at middle distance, I did not feel any reduction of speed. Although the Battle 2 was boosted, I felt that when I was using the Viscaria or TB ALC at middle distance I did feel some reduction in speed. People who tend to counter at far distance from the table will not have any problems with the Trinity because the speed and power it offers away from the table is fairly substantial. It maybe be a bit slower than the Zylon blades but it can hold on its own with such distance.
Some great points were made here. So a Viscaria or Boll ALC has much higher speed on on low power shots or slow incoming shots. You don't have to give in much force, the blade will take care of the speed. However this blade is not fast on low power shots, it's kinda slow in fact. But on higher power shots Viscaria cannot transport your energy as efficiently as the Trinity blade, hence high power shots with Trinity are faster by EXTREME margins. This is most likely due to the Zylon fiber's tension.

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Despite some flex offered by the Trinity, it felt better as a power looping blade instead of a spinny, slow looping type of play. Sure there is flex due to the ALC component but I feel it would be wasted if you will not take advantage on what the Zylon’s stiffness is giving to increase the speed of your strokes. In that, I would recommend it to a player which has a bit higher level of skills to fully utilize the blade. When looping with the Dynaryz AGR or Rhyzer 45, it had a medium-high and long arc while with the boosted Battle 2 rubber, it had a medium-low and long arc.
I kind of disagree on this point. It is extremely good for both slow spinny loops and for power loops. Since on slow balls it has an increased dwell time it can generate more spin and lift, but due to more efficient energy transfer it is excellent for power shots. Limba's characteristics on high power shots also helps to kick the ball.  Nevertheless this is not a blade for beginners, I would actually say it is only for advanced or pro level players. I would imagine for beginners this blade has nothing to offer.
I would recommend it with lower throw angle rubbers since the limba lifts the ball and this blade is not for brushing shots. It is for hitting shots. If you have a brush technique this will feel slow. You need to hit trough the limba to access the artificial fibers benefits. For brushing shots Viscaria is better.

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Overall, it is multi-dimensional blade. It takes some time to fully adjust to the feel but it is an excellent blade. To say that the Trinity has the best of both worlds – zylon and alc characteristics, is an understatement. It felt very stable due to the combination of zlc and alc when blocking but when attacking, it has some flex of the alc that will let you loop in properly but also offers additional power due to the rigidity of the zylon fibers. When blocking, both fiber combinations also balances the control and speed. For short strokes or inside the table strokes, drop shots are not that fast and fairly controllable although the Freeze version of the Vyzaryz blades is so much better than this but bottom line, this is more related to skill rather than the blade itself. When used with short pimpled rubbers, the zylon fibers would give some rigidity to the blade enabling you to attack and receiving underspin properly but the alc fibers would offer some control on the shots. The Vyzaryz Hybrid version was overall a better SP or LP attacking blade. Kudos to JOOLA for this new concept!
Ok, so quickly I will say I can't comment on pimpled rubbers. (however I always imagined that a harder outer layer blade would give more disturbing effect, and for that this blade would not be suitable. I can be absolutely wrong here, I really have zero actual first hand info)
But I guess the conclusion is basically the same for both of us. Over the table play due to the soft and slow limba ply is easier, but open ups are more spinny due to it. Also due to the zylon, the powerful shots are very efficient.  Blocking is an interesting point, many times I cought my opponent off guard because the blocks on high power shots also are very aggressive and fast. While if you get a slow spinny open up you can manage to block it with feeling.

For rubber choice I would recommend harder, more stable rubbers. Rozena is barely acceptable as it's not stable enough. Stiga Mantra hard is surprisingly suitable for backhand and H3 or Battle 2 is very nice for forehand.
If you're trying to translate this to Japanese or German rubbers, I would assume a Dignics 09c type rubber on forehand and D80 on backhand would be a great combination. What about Tenergy? Maybe I would skip those in favor of Dignics or Rakza Z, X, or any Joola/Xiom/Donic/Andro etc etc, that is similar to the Dignics series and not to the Tenergy series.







Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 06/06/2021 at 10:08pm
Trinity blade is fast man

Coming off from Yasaka Atletico (w968 alt) and Innerforce ALC, the TRINITY blade feels like METAL (Feel: Ateltico > Innerforce > Trinity) 

Reminds me of my BOLL ZLC - stable blocks, stiff and definitely a hard feeling (lower throw though)

I’m not sure who and where I watched a review I think (Gan on YouTube) stated it’s harder to BRUSH STROKE with this blade. And I do agree with him. Takes more precision to make contact as there is no SOFTNESS or major catapult to rely on. (You get what you put in)  

Using H3 Neo 39degrees and Mercury II hard on Bh. Going to boost the H3 after one more session and use dignics 09c on Bh after one more session

Going to at least use it for 2 weeks 


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Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 06/06/2021 at 10:13pm
one thing for sure though

THIS BLADE IS COMFORTABLE. Prob one of the best handles and ive played with. Balance is more to the handle so feels easy to wield, but hard to build momentum (used to head heavy blade) 

I just don’t understand why JOOLA goes through the length of such a wonderful handle shape and blade face shape ONLY to make them TOO FAST. Innovative though 

If this was an INNER BLADE with softer outer plies, it may have been perfect. 


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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 06/07/2021 at 9:28am
I have Freeze and I can confirm Korean wood materials  selection and used as Top Ply have better quality than Butterfly. This is Top Notch level. Very well crafted blade with special heavy handle....If they (Joola/Xiom) make innerforce blades with the same attitude, they will get their $$ so if you want spend money on your new blade, choose wisely and forget about tamasu bs


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 06/07/2021 at 11:34am
Originally posted by mon22 mon22 wrote:

Trinity blade is fast man

Coming off from Yasaka Atletico (w968 alt) and Innerforce ALC, the TRINITY blade feels like METAL (Feel: Ateltico > Innerforce > Trinity) 

Reminds me of my BOLL ZLC - stable blocks, stiff and definitely a hard feeling (lower throw though)

I’m not sure who and where I watched a review I think (Gan on YouTube) stated it’s harder to BRUSH STROKE with this blade. And I do agree with him. Takes more precision to make contact as there is no SOFTNESS or major catapult to rely on. (You get what you put in)  

Using H3 Neo 39degrees and Mercury II hard on Bh. Going to boost the H3 after one more session and use dignics 09c on Bh after one more session

Going to at least use it for 2 weeks 

The Trinity have a somewhat unique feel of each composite material. I am more of a Freeze blade guy. 


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Posted By: Zwill
Date Posted: 06/07/2021 at 3:01pm
Boll ZLC feels like it repels the ball faster to be honest and feels even harder which is quite surprising considering it should be even thinner. I find that with outer ZLC blades you can do some weird stuff like blocking really fast even unintentionally out of position. In this regard they are very similar, plus once you give it power the ZLC just doesn't flex, it's really freakish.

I tried HL5 and I have Fang Bo carbon blade and the speed difference is night and day. Those DHS blades are like All+ if the Trinity is Off.
But over the table touch play is good with the Trinity, on weak balls it's not that quick, only when you start giving it some power. I can also pick up balls from the "floor" without problem. I'd have no chance with a Primo Carbon, that would just shoot out long.

Handle is really great indeed.

I guess the Freeze should be similar to a Maze ALC, and that construction was really good. Maybe Butterfly should rebrand it with a different name, I don't think Freitas' name sells it well.

Joola's image rebrand did them good, few years ago I considered them a dying/stagnating company, but now it seems fresh again with good rubbers and blades. Their clothing is pretty slick too.



Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 06/07/2021 at 5:33pm
I had Maze Alc and Freitas alc, not one batch 
Drinhkall Powerspin- CCA unlimited
Joola Vyzaryz Freezer- Hugo Calderano SAL (the same company make it for different brand)

so what can I say, Vyzaryz Freezer  is slower than Maze ALC and  it has the best grip/dwell time.

For me it is harder to generate spin when I use Freezer but I can play more agressive from both sides because I can play very powerful shots from bh and they land the table I had the same situation with SAL,
maybe my shots are not the spinniest but I find very similiar kind of shots from SAL and Freeze. 
the same bullet shots without spin and bang the ball has very high arc, it looks from my perspective these blades have very similiar attributes even if construction is not the same

the trajectory is low so you need very high throw rubbers for Freeze
speed is 7,5/10 and for me it is Off+ construction and plays like OFF or even OFF-


I can easy handle both topspin shots  from mid distance, I can be mini Kreanga and Ma Long so it is very good to know that handle from Italy is for miracles from both sides.
It is really good to play on the table after 16 shots  from mid distance like in oldschool gluing era and it is pleasure to be so effective in play.
 This is the reason why I think you should buy Freeze more than Maze ALC or Freitas ALC. 

its hard to understand Maze- Freitas difference because they play in different way even when you change their handle from FL to ST. 
They have different handle-headsize proportions too.


Tibhar blades are only used here as example. I wont judge it


Posted By: SmileTT
Date Posted: 06/08/2021 at 8:05pm
Owners of the Vyzaryz Freeze, can any of you provide their Frequency reading in Hz?

I'm always interested in blades similar to Maze and Freitas.

Thanks in advance! Beer


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Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 06/08/2021 at 11:09pm
willing to trade to TRY the FREEZE for a 88g TRINITY flared.

USA only. Thank yoh


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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 06/09/2021 at 5:19pm
1335 Hz 91 gram
Weight balance: Handle 
The spinniest blade on earth? Something is only opinion but I can feel heavy spin from my side. 


Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 06/11/2021 at 6:10pm
third day with freeze cold, 
First day:  hard to make easy spin but very good grip
Second day : too much grip and a lot better spin ( harder glue )
Third day: more  control, great feeling, more spin, more pleasure


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 06/11/2021 at 6:40pm
i never had any problems looping with Freeze. I made adjustments when I looped with Trinity or Hybrid but not Freeze. 

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Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 06/12/2021 at 8:55am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

i never had any problems looping with Freeze. I made adjustments when I looped with Trinity or Hybrid but not Freeze. 

Same for me. Freeze has really got something special which grabs the ball and keeps it longer into the rubber for better brushing. It has also became my main blade. 


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Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 06/24/2021 at 6:58pm
got a Trinity blade 88g posted for sale - $160 lmk

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Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 12/22/2021 at 6:49pm
Does the freeze hold up to being a softer/flexier blade, almost like an inner carbon blade?

I am interested in buying one but not sure because i always hated Viscaria and TB ALC, too stiff for my liking and the freeze's composition is an outer after all..


Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 12/24/2021 at 6:58am
Originally posted by aerial aerial wrote:

Does the freeze hold up to being a softer/flexier blade, almost like an inner carbon blade?

I am interested in buying one but not sure because i always hated Viscaria and TB ALC, too stiff for my liking and the freeze's composition is an outer after all..

I'm trying to switch to Freeze for a couple of months and I can say that it's not almost like an inner carbon blade.. far from that, actually. 

It still behaves like an outer ALC, a little bit softer due to limba outer layer but that's all. If you don't like Viscaria or TB ALC, Freeze is not your choice even with limba outer. 

My training parter has two Freeze, both almost one year of use, they are softer and better felling compared to mine.. But nobody want a blade to get better after one year, that's why I'm selling mine.

I hope they come up with inner versions of Freeze and Trinity next year. 


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Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 12/27/2021 at 6:52pm
welp, I think a blade that takes a year to break in is probably no-go for me

thanks for the info


Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 12/28/2021 at 2:45am
honest opinion : its hard to play a Long time with one blade....
Maybe try Hugo Calderano sal and hal?


Posted By: hristobotev
Date Posted: 04/10/2023 at 8:42am
Very good comments.

Let me put some comments from my side.

I really like Trinity - so much like that I bought 3 pcs.

1st. Brand new 89g ST. 1507 Hz
2nd. 2 years old, 89g, FL, dont remember the Hz.
3rd. 2 years old, 84, ST. and.. 1593 Hz. (measured 5 times just to be sure).

I am not sure what is happening here - I am talking about Kiri vs Ayous, but what I can see is that the newest one is different from the Core perspective. It is definitely Kiri core (I have had so many blades so far so I can recognize the Kiri core). The other 2 (older ones) has different core. I think it is Ayous. No holes at all, very soft core.

I have tried the FL one with Tenergy 05 and it feels like with a very low trajectory (a couple of cm from the net, but all the balls are in the opponent side). Controllable.

Mine (new ones) feel harder (like Timo Boll Alc) and powerful (Like zhang jike zlc) but still remain controllable. 

Do you think that Company like Joola will issue their Catalogue, will put it on their official website as Ayous - they cannot be so stupid and unexperienced. at least I don't believe it.

So what I am thinking is that at the beginning they have used Ayous, but then they changed to Kiri. Why, don't know - maybe we will not found out but in fact, there are differences.

However, I will try the ST old one with Rhyzen ZGR and Fire and will get back to you.

The real test will be if I remove the rubbers from one to another but I have a match soon so I dont want to change the setup since it is a very dangerous for the opponent and I would like to stay for some more time (Rasanter R53 and Donic coppa X1 turbo platin) 



Originally posted by Zwill Zwill wrote:

I bought a Trinity blade earlier this year, because I found the triple weave intriguing. I'm not a huge ZLC fan myself, I prefer ALC so the Trinity with the triple weave seamed like something special. (I do understand the befit to ZLC and I would love to take advantage of it, but so far I wasn't able to with pure ZLC blades)

I will take the opportunity to take yogi_bear's Joola review as base since I think excellent points were made in it.

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Weight: 87 grams
Plies: 5+2 (Limba, X3 – Limba – Ayous – Limba – X3 – Limba)
Thickness: 5.76 mm
Speed: Off to Off+
Stiffness: Nearly Stiff
I know even Joola is saying this has an Ayous core, but that is totally BS. This blade has Kiri core. Quite easy to determine, on the cross section kiri has "year ring holes", while ayous doesn't have any year ring type holes, just a very consistent hole pattern. In fact I saw Joola say Kiri or Ayous in different catalogues (english vs chinese). This is very WTF, they don't know what they designed?

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

This is the one that I tested first since this is the unique blade in the series and probably the first of its kind in the market that I know of. Having 3 composite materials in a single weave is unheard of for me for major brands. Other blades that I know in the market now are composed of alc and zlc on one side of the blade but never the combination of 3 materials. Overall construction of the blade is comparable to Butterfly’s higher end blades. The Korean factory that makes these blades has good quality control compared to the previous Chinese factory that makes their older blades. I forgot if Sunflex is the one that makes their older blades or some other OEM factories. The handle felt a little bigger than the TB ALC in some of the areas. The measurement is 25.66mm x 34mm at the base of the flared handle but in some area such as the neck of the blade, it felt a little bigger than the TB ALC. I have another blade from a different brand that was made under the same factory but it was a little smaller. The logo is made of thin metal covered by plastic probably to protect tarnishing due to sweat contact.
Fully agree, quality is excellent, I would even dare to say that the Korean factory might condition the wood better than Butterfly. I think the other Korean brand mentioned is Xiom and indeed the handle of Joola is thicker and more coarse. I prefer it over Xiom.

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

I used the JOOLA Dynaryz AGR, JOOLA Rhyzer Pro 45, TSP Spectol Red and Battle 2 rubbers for this test. I opted to use several rubbers because I needed to see the blade’s flexibility in using different kinds of rubbers for different styles of game plays. To be honest, the Vyzaryz Trinity felt weird when I was using it for the first time. It felt weird in the sense that the feeling is quite different and not because it felt bad. It was an unusual feel because the mix of zylon’s stiffness combined with some flexy feel of the arylate. It is hard to describe the feel but let me just say that it is not as stiff as the Vyzaryz Hybrid which only uses ZLC or any other ZLC or Super ZLC blades in the market but at the same time it feels much harder or has more stiffness than usual ALC blades.
I tried H3 OS 41, Rozena, Stiga Mantra Hard, Battle 2 golden, battle 2 blue sponge, Tibhar K2, and Yasaka hovering dragon and Butterfly Aibiss.
I totally agree again with the reviewer, it feels nothing like any other blade. For sure the triple weaved artificial material has a role, but in fact this is a very complex topic. I understand this was a review made especially for Joola so competitors are barely named (but surely tested tho), the weirdness comes from the slightly thicker outer limba layer, the unusual artificial material construction and the slightly thinner kiri core's combination. The thicker outer limba wants to absorb energy almost like an innerforce blade, then there's the flexible nature of arylate that spices up thins once the outer limba is penetrated, and after that if you try to dial in big shots the kiri wants to flex, but the zylon makes it tensioned. This blade has many gears, and if you are someone who wants a slower blade on weak shots but a faster blade on powerful shots you should consider. On weak shots there is no vibration but on powerful shots it feels like a thinner (boll ZLF) blade with the extra benefit of the outer limba's deformation characteristics. 

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

For the speed, even though it is rated as Off, I can definitely say it is Off+ because I would placed it as a notch or 2 faster than Viscaria which we all know is rated as an Off+ blade but if you try to analyze it, it is not that fast compared to other known off+ blades. The TB ALC having the same composition as the Viscaria also felt slower than the Trinity and you can feel the difference in speed. The speed is fast not only because I was using the Dynaryz AGR on the forehand and Rhyzer 45 in the backhand but because despite using the Battle 2 at middle distance, I did not feel any reduction of speed. Although the Battle 2 was boosted, I felt that when I was using the Viscaria or TB ALC at middle distance I did feel some reduction in speed. People who tend to counter at far distance from the table will not have any problems with the Trinity because the speed and power it offers away from the table is fairly substantial. It maybe be a bit slower than the Zylon blades but it can hold on its own with such distance.
Some great points were made here. So a Viscaria or Boll ALC has much higher speed on on low power shots or slow incoming shots. You don't have to give in much force, the blade will take care of the speed. However this blade is not fast on low power shots, it's kinda slow in fact. But on higher power shots Viscaria cannot transport your energy as efficiently as the Trinity blade, hence high power shots with Trinity are faster by EXTREME margins. This is most likely due to the Zylon fiber's tension.

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Despite some flex offered by the Trinity, it felt better as a power looping blade instead of a spinny, slow looping type of play. Sure there is flex due to the ALC component but I feel it would be wasted if you will not take advantage on what the Zylon’s stiffness is giving to increase the speed of your strokes. In that, I would recommend it to a player which has a bit higher level of skills to fully utilize the blade. When looping with the Dynaryz AGR or Rhyzer 45, it had a medium-high and long arc while with the boosted Battle 2 rubber, it had a medium-low and long arc.
I kind of disagree on this point. It is extremely good for both slow spinny loops and for power loops. Since on slow balls it has an increased dwell time it can generate more spin and lift, but due to more efficient energy transfer it is excellent for power shots. Limba's characteristics on high power shots also helps to kick the ball.  Nevertheless this is not a blade for beginners, I would actually say it is only for advanced or pro level players. I would imagine for beginners this blade has nothing to offer.
I would recommend it with lower throw angle rubbers since the limba lifts the ball and this blade is not for brushing shots. It is for hitting shots. If you have a brush technique this will feel slow. You need to hit trough the limba to access the artificial fibers benefits. For brushing shots Viscaria is better.

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Overall, it is multi-dimensional blade. It takes some time to fully adjust to the feel but it is an excellent blade. To say that the Trinity has the best of both worlds – zylon and alc characteristics, is an understatement. It felt very stable due to the combination of zlc and alc when blocking but when attacking, it has some flex of the alc that will let you loop in properly but also offers additional power due to the rigidity of the zylon fibers. When blocking, both fiber combinations also balances the control and speed. For short strokes or inside the table strokes, drop shots are not that fast and fairly controllable although the Freeze version of the Vyzaryz blades is so much better than this but bottom line, this is more related to skill rather than the blade itself. When used with short pimpled rubbers, the zylon fibers would give some rigidity to the blade enabling you to attack and receiving underspin properly but the alc fibers would offer some control on the shots. The Vyzaryz Hybrid version was overall a better SP or LP attacking blade. Kudos to JOOLA for this new concept!
Ok, so quickly I will say I can't comment on pimpled rubbers. (however I always imagined that a harder outer layer blade would give more disturbing effect, and for that this blade would not be suitable. I can be absolutely wrong here, I really have zero actual first hand info)
But I guess the conclusion is basically the same for both of us. Over the table play due to the soft and slow limba ply is easier, but open ups are more spinny due to it. Also due to the zylon, the powerful shots are very efficient.  Blocking is an interesting point, many times I cought my opponent off guard because the blocks on high power shots also are very aggressive and fast. While if you get a slow spinny open up you can manage to block it with feeling.

For rubber choice I would recommend harder, more stable rubbers. Rozena is barely acceptable as it's not stable enough. Stiga Mantra hard is surprisingly suitable for backhand and H3 or Battle 2 is very nice for forehand.
If you're trying to translate this to Japanese or German rubbers, I would assume a Dignics 09c type rubber on forehand and D80 on backhand would be a great combination. What about Tenergy? Maybe I would skip those in favor of Dignics or Rakza Z, X, or any Joola/Xiom/Donic/Andro etc etc, that is similar to the Dignics series and not to the Tenergy series.







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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/10/2023 at 9:23am
I just got one Trinity and the frequency is over 1600 Hz despite being only 83g. It is going to be the fastest blade I have ever tried to seriously adapt to as my main blade.  I did it to quell my desire to get a Mizutani SZLC.  Hopefully it works out.

I find the comment about the chance of materials interesting.   It might mean I have a kiri inner blade.  I am usually far more a fan of ayous than kiri.  But I will let the blade speak for itself.


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 04/10/2023 at 10:32am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I just got one Trinity and the frequency is over 1600 Hz despite being only 83g. It is going to be the fastest blade I have ever tried to seriously adapt to as my main blade.  I did it to quell my desire to get a Mizutani SZLC.  Hopefully it works out.

I find the comment about the chance of materials interesting.   It might mean I have a kiri inner blade.  I am usually far more a fan of ayous than kiri.  But I will let the blade speak for itself.
Supposedly, Xiom tmx is similar but probably cheaper? And tmxi is similar but just inner? The core of tmx is probably ayous though.


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Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 04/10/2023 at 11:17am
TMX is koto Outer while Trinity is limba Outer.

Core of both is kiri

TMXi is limba outer and ayous core.

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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 04/10/2023 at 11:56am
Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

TMX is koto Outer while Trinity is limba Outer.

Core of both is kiri

TMXi is limba outer and ayous core.

Missing limba outer, carbon out (JM zlc?)  Koto outer, inner carbon and ayoue core (H301?)


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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 04/10/2023 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by Zwill Zwill wrote:

Boll ZLC feels like it repels the ball faster to be honest and feels even harder which is quite surprising considering it should be even thinner. I find that with outer ZLC blades you can do some weird stuff like blocking really fast even unintentionally out of position. In this regard they are very similar, plus once you give it power the ZLC just doesn't flex, it's really freakish.

I tried HL5 and I have Fang Bo carbon blade and the speed difference is night and day. Those DHS blades are like All+ if the Trinity is Off.
But over the table touch play is good with the Trinity, on weak balls it's not that quick, only when you start giving it some power. I can also pick up balls from the "floor" without problem. I'd have no chance with a Primo Carbon, that would just shoot out long.

Handle is really great indeed.

I guess the Freeze should be similar to a Maze ALC, and that construction was really good. Maybe Butterfly should rebrand it with a different name, I don't think Freitas' name sells it well.

Joola's image rebrand did them good, few years ago I considered them a dying/stagnating company, but now it seems fresh again with good rubbers and blades. Their clothing is pretty slick too.


HL5 is solid Off+


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/10/2023 at 1:55pm
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I just got one Trinity and the frequency is over 1600 Hz despite being only 83g. It is going to be the fastest blade I have ever tried to seriously adapt to as my main blade.  I did it to quell my desire to get a Mizutani SZLC.  Hopefully it works out.

I find the comment about the chance of materials interesting.   It might mean I have a kiri inner blade.  I am usually far more a fan of ayous than kiri.  But I will let the blade speak for itself.
Supposedly, Xiom tmx is similar but probably cheaper? And tmxi is similar but just inner? The core of tmx is probably ayous though.

IMHO, no point in getting an innerforce blade if you are looking for SZLC speed though.  Just saying.  I do like the limba outers on Trinity like Mizutani SZLC and if Joola made an PBOC with Limba outers, I might get in on that.  The TMXi sounds like a very interesting blade in its own right.  But I am trying to see how fast a thin looping blade I can use and SZLC outer seems to be where it's at (I want to stay away from the Primorac Carbons and Garaydias...) 


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Posted By: hristobotev
Date Posted: 04/12/2023 at 1:58am
could be. You never know.

I have made a direct comparison without testing the second one yet, waiting for the rubbers. So they seems to be the same. Just different weight and frequency.

The lighter the faster. 

This can be because of the thinner outer Limba on one of the blades.

I can barely see small holes on both. Just in some of the areas, not like the pictures from Tedi Bear. When I touched with my nails it make a mark and feel is soft core. As far as I know Kiri and Ayous are relatively stiff material but Kiri is softer. So could be Kiri. Or at least I never ever had a blade with Ayous core. 


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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 04/21/2023 at 11:58am
I can solve the mystery for you, they are all kiri core - always have been. How this information error came to be is a mystery to me, but it will be fixed as quickly as possible.

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Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 05/02/2023 at 3:10am
This new prices for blades from Joola surprised me a lot. Not sure which is their target, as definitely 200+ bucks for Joola blade sounds pretty unusual for me. They probably rely on the curiosity of the people more than something else. Of course, this is only my own opinion and suggestion. Blades could be well made and appropriate for high skilled players, but here we have to ask a question: How many high skilled players will buy these blades without sponsorship? Good luck to Joola


Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 05/06/2023 at 6:30pm
I guess you haven’t seen the latest blades from Joola then 😂 these Vyzaryz blades are over 2 years since release and have generally sold fairly well especially the Trinity. I guess people have pre-determined and historical opinions about Joola which they can’t seem to shake. 

It definitely appears from your comment that you haven’t actually tried any of them?




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Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 05/11/2023 at 1:31pm
What's worse is the boxes are so cheap. The Rossi PBO-C has a tank of a box which made me feel was worth its price; but man, the cheap silver boxes are undesireable compared to a butterfly ALC blade similarly priced or even less 

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Posted By: Zwill
Date Posted: 05/11/2023 at 5:38pm
Originally posted by PingPongPom PingPongPom wrote:

I guess you haven’t seen the latest blades from Joola then 😂 these Vyzaryz blades are over 2 years since release and have generally sold fairly well especially the Trinity. I guess people have pre-determined and historical opinions about Joola which they can’t seem to shake. 

It definitely appears from your comment that you haven’t actually tried any of them?



In my view Joola has been a braindead company for a long time. They sold a lot of mediocre or even bad stuff which alienated a lot of people I guess, but Joola's recent Korean blades are just so nice.
The Trinity is a bit pricy I have to say, but the Zhou Qihao S-ALC blades are reasonable and especially the Zhou Qihao blades are super high quality. Butterfly blades don't hold a candle in comparison.

Also Joola has a bit fatter FL handles than most and that is something I appreciate a lot.

mon22's point is true about the box, Joola silver boxes are kinda meh and if you look at Butterfly and Joola's boxes next to eachoter on a shelf your eye will gravitate to Butterfly 100%. But like, it's a box, you normally use it once and then discard it... Maybe I'm a cheap bastard but I don't wanna pay premium for a box, I'd be happy to get a blade in a plain ass cardboard box with good protection if it saves 10 bucks.


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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/11/2023 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

I have Freeze and I can confirm Korean wood materials  selection and used as Top Ply have better quality than Butterfly. This is Top Notch level. Very well crafted blade with special heavy handle....If they (Joola/Xiom) make innerforce blades with the same attitude, they will get their $$ so if you want spend money on your new blade, choose wisely and forget about tamasu bs

Butterfly blades are BS . The first  time I removed a D09C I got hair thin splinters on a SZLC.



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