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Topic: TT GLUE alternatives
Posted By: tommyzai
Subject: TT GLUE alternatives
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 12:06pm
What's the best Non-Toxic, Non-VOC alternative to expensive table tennis glue? I have been using Tear Mender, which works, but I wonder if there's something better out there.

Note: Rubber Cement is not the answer. ;-)






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Posted By: passifid
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 12:30pm
industrial velcro. Makes it reasonably easy to EJ and if you hit the table and it comes loose it's all fine.


Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 1:27pm
Originally posted by passifid passifid wrote:

industrial velcro.

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Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

What's the best Non-Toxic, Non-VOC alternative to expensive table tennis glue? I have been using Tear Mender, which works, but I wonder if there's something better out there.

Note: Rubber Cement is not the answer. ;-)





To me it's all the same as that. Just varying degrees of how it's been handled. Aka heat, age, seal quality. I rarely use latex (no pun intended) but that's my impression


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Posted By: WingTT
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 8:27pm
Yes, its called Copydex. It comes from the UK but you can usually find it relatively inexpensively on ebay. It is thicker and more consistent than Tear Mender and has more ammonia content and so tends not to curdle on the blade. I've have received bad batches of Tear Mender before which is why I looked for an alternative and Copydex has been reliable so far.


Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

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Note: Rubber Cement is not the answer. ;-

Why isn't rubber cement the answer?  I even glue OX LP with Elmer's without using glue sheet.




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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 9:50pm
I am using Revolution 3.0 after seeing someone in my club remove the glue from his old rubber in about 20 seconds. You do have to use several layers.


Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 10:03pm
Originally posted by tuco tuco wrote:

Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

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Note: Rubber Cement is not the answer. ;-
Why isn't rubber cement the answer?  I even glue OX LP with Elmer's without using glue sheet.

Rubber Cement works good but is nasty toxic. My lungs can't even handle a particle of dust.


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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 11:05pm
We owe to Mr. Ronald Bell, an Amerian scholar chemist, for this mighty adhesive product.
iNNOGLUE   13.99 USD 55 ml
■ Newly invented high efficiency concentrated emulsion glue,
VOC-free, compliant with new ITTF Legal guideline
without applying more glue.
■ Contains highly elastic additives for enhanced performance.
■ New EASY SPREAD formulation.
Packed in squeeze bottle for easy handling. No mess.
■ Apply on rubber side only. No need to apply on wood side.
■ Easy application, fast drying, secure bonding.
■ Clean removal from most wood surface.
Rubber removed from blade can be applied onto
another blade without applying more glue.
■ Contains highly elastic additives for enhanced performance.

https://guide.alibaba.com/shop/innoglue-easy-spread-table-tennis-rubber-glue-no-voc-55ml-with-spreader_1007081117.html" rel="nofollow - https://guide.alibaba.com/shop/innoglue-easy-spread-table-tennis-rubber-glue-no-voc-55ml-with-spreader_1007081117.html

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Posted By: WingTT
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 11:17pm
The innoGlue looks interesting but unfortunately does not seem to be generally available.


Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 11:56pm
Originally posted by WingTT WingTT wrote:

The innoGlue looks interesting but unfortunately does not seem to be generally available. 

I'd love to try it . . . if it were 1/2 that price. That's a bit steep for less than 2oz. Still, we're grateful for the share.


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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/10/2020 at 11:57pm
I used something about 10+years ago . . . it came in a tub and spread on. It was white and non-toxic. I can't remember what it was. ;-0 It was sort of like the consistency of Elmer's Glue Sticks, but a little softer.

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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 10/11/2020 at 8:30pm
The best affordabe stuff for gluing works, some 11 USD Per Litre bottle.


/Be happy/

Actually, the milky white liquid one finds in the bottle is a heveya tree latex soap preserved with an ammonia additive. Excellent adhesive power.

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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/11/2020 at 10:29pm
https://www.amazon.com/Creature-Liquid-Latex-General-Professional/dp/B01FF3V870/ref=psdc_702382011_t3_B009DKKAG2%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/Creature-Liquid-Latex-General-Professional/dp/B01FF3V870/ref=psdc_702382011_t3_B009DKKAG2

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Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 9:39am
I've been a Nittaku FineZip fan for years... and recently picked up a bottle of Revolution 3 glue. Wow. Took me a few rackets to get used to but it's great . Applies evenly and is self-leveling.

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 11:52am
The idea of using inexpensive Halloween latex glue is the absolute best solution among those that deserve the 2020 Cheapo award. 

If it works as well as TearMender, it's a winner.


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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 1:28pm
I'll use cream cheese if it works . . . the goal is to find less expensive, but effective and safe alternatives to overpriced table tennis glue.

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Posted By: Hipnotic
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 2:29pm
I use Copydex. Cheap, comes of really easily from the rubber and has a good bond. Frankly better than most TT glues that will destroy your rubber if you try to remove it. It almost seems on purpose...

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Posted By: kevo
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by Hipnotic Hipnotic wrote:

I use Copydex. Cheap, comes of really easily from the rubber and has a good bond. Frankly better than most TT glues that will destroy your rubber if you try to remove it. It almost seems on purpose...

I second this. It's good stuff. I even found an old bottle, that was half dried out, added some water from the tap and it worked great. It's 8 euro in the hardware store and the bottle lasts a year easy. 


Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 4:52pm
Been using this for 10 years, bought gallons for my clubs Big smile
Some club put their badge and resell it.

You'd be surprised that many many TT glues out there actually the same glue as this.

https://www.demco.com/demco-reg-rubber-liquid-cream-glue

Just the best, IMO




Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 5:39pm
Copydex is inexpensive, safe, VOC-free, multipurpose, effective, bonds well and holds well but is easy to peel off, since it is latex based.



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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/12/2020 at 10:21pm
I tried Copydex and it is great. Obvious solution in UK, it's not available in North America on a consistent basis.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/500ml-Copydex-Adhesive-Glue-Craft-Fabric-Carpets-DIY-Home-Safe-Multi-Use-Stick/293764699619" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/itm/500ml-Copydex-Adhesive-Glue-Craft-Fabric-Carpets-DIY-Home-Safe-Multi-Use-Stick/293764699619  is great a price at $17 but $27 shipping to the USA from UK is a bit much, even though at that insane shipping price we still end up at a cool $4.40/50ml.
 


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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/15/2020 at 3:42pm
Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Been using this for 10 years, bought gallons for my clubs Big smile
Some club put their badge and resell it. https://www.demco.com/demco-reg-rubber-liquid-cream-glue

It looks good, but I need to find confirmation that it's Non-VOC/Non-Toxic . . . hope it is!


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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 10/15/2020 at 4:09pm
It is non voc.
Rebranded by some big TT manufacturers out there
Paddle palace has their own too Wink
And Rev....3 Wink
If it's too thick, add a little of hot water.


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 10/15/2020 at 7:34pm
WATERY GLUE IS A STRONG DESTROYER ON WOODEN MATERIALS.    NEVER ADD WATER TO WG..

STIGA GLUE is the best NEUTRAL substance upon plywoods as having minimum water content 20%. High viscosity WGs, thick consistency is the best.
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COOKERY CORN STARCH FOR CONDITIONING WB GLUE
Pick up some cookery Corn Starch for getting a thin ranny WG up to high viscosity glue.. Corn Starch is most famous as an effective natural thicker... YOU will have final product much like a cookery cream easy to spread over wooden materials.
/Be happy/


Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 10/16/2020 at 2:03am
Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

WATERY GLUE IS A STRONG DESTROYER ON WOODEN MATERIALS.    NEVER ADD WATER TO WG..


I hear you. 
Have you tried the glue I mentioned? Perhaps not.
It is a rather thick paste, our clubs have been using them for over 10 years.
We used at the most, 10% of hot water to dilute it. Never had any case of damaging wood/blades.
I have used it on my old blades for years and years. Fast drying, easy to clean from rubbers and blades.
(I am the gluer/rubber cutter) for so many members for our clubs, btw.LOL




Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/16/2020 at 11:01am
You gotta seal blades . . . especially Stiga. 

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/16/2020 at 8:42pm
Given the cost of TT rubber, glue is really cheap.  I get great results with Nittaku Finezip a d especially Free Chaque II.  Stuff like Tearmender can work but it's trickier to use.  I stopped loo,looking, for alterna, I want something that works perfectly every time.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/16/2020 at 9:33pm
I am on the side of those who want to avoid contact between the blade and the water of the glue. After priming generously the sponge with Tearmender (3 coats adding up to 3 grams to the weight of the rubber), I let that glue dry completely and I apply on the blade 3 light coats of a mix of http://www.schoolspecialty.com/best-test-brush-in-cap-paper-cement-002220" rel="nofollow - paper cement from the brand Best Test (75%) and Bestine (nasty stuff, manipulate outside only), their solvent (25%). By letting the glue dry completely on the blade too (it really does not take long but just let it dry overnight and outside if you want to be sure, that's what I do because why not...), we ensure no cheating because the VOC are gone and will not affect the sponge. This is the smartest method because it is easier, faster, cheaper and honest. We prime a rubber once and basta! I see a drawback, I must apply the glue on the blade outside and let the blade dry outside too; also when moving the rubber from blade to blade, the paper cement adds up on the sponge.

Another one... the evaporation of those Bestine nasty chemicals ( http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/0976.pdf" rel="nofollow - heptane ) in the atmosphere has a cost that I impose to all, that's the less cool part of it but it's better for the blade. What say you about that? Am I an hypocrite for advocating this? I commute to my office with my bike (4.2 miles, all flat), and you? let me guess... an environmentally friendly plug-in hybrid that burns gas and gets electricity from a coal-fired plant maybe? just kidding people Big smile

I only do serves and the robot now until a vaccine is out and sure (tennis with people) and it's not like I am regluing often anyway.





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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 10/17/2020 at 12:16am
I've been the cutter/gluer for 2 clubs for over 10 yrs..
I glue and cut for free, so we buy that glue in gallons so the club can resell them too.
Counting the Exacto knifes alone, I already finished my 2nd box, so 200 blades x 3 or 4 rubbers roughly 600 rubbers and more Big smile Not counting other blades I tried...
Sometimes I walk in the club people already waiting for me with their rubbers/blade for me to assemble, lol
I have tried many glue, dhs, double fish, donic, free chack, R3, finezip, tear mender.. I am sticking with this. Can't beat it, especially when you are gluing for free LOL


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/17/2020 at 12:51am
Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

I've been the cutter/gluer for 2 clubs for over 10 yrs..
I glue and cut for free, so we buy that glue in gallons so the club can resell them too.
Counting the Exacto knifes alone, I already finished my 2nd box, so 200 blades x 3 or 4 rubbers roughly 600 rubbers and more Big smile Not counting other blades I tried...
Sometimes I walk in the club people already waiting for me with their rubbers/blade for me to assemble, lol
I have tried many glue, dhs, double fish, donic, free chack, R3, finezip, tear mender.. I am sticking with this. Can't beat it, especially when you are gluing for free LOL
I could definitely switch to your glue, same but better that tearmender apparently, I want to try.

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Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/17/2020 at 7:04am
Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Been using this for 10 years, bought gallons for my clubs Big smile
Some club put their badge and resell it.

You'd be surprised that many many TT glues out there actually the same glue as this.

https://www.demco.com/demco-reg-rubber-liquid-cream-glue

Just the best, IMO



Does this have the same ammonia smell that most tt glues have? 


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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 10/18/2020 at 1:53pm
Yup, compared side by side.. same texture, same smell 


Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/18/2020 at 6:50pm
Grea! Thanks for the reply. I glue a lot of rubbers for ppl as well, so some good quality glue that can be purchased in bulk is always good. 

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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 11/01/2020 at 10:26am
This is what I bought. It's way cheaper and less toxic (except for the ammonia) than standard TT glue. I glued on two rubbers yesterday. I wasn't sure which technique to use as there are no instructions, and this is not made for TT, so . . .

1. Contact gluing whereby glue is applied to both sides, and affixed once dry
2. Affix wet and keep compressed until dry

I used technique #2, but I'm hopeful to use #1 as I believe it's better if lined up perfectly.

So far, so good, but I'll report back . . . 





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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 11/09/2020 at 4:15pm
The Creature Liquid Latex worked great on the first two rubbers . . . strong adhesion. I will have to wait and see how the rubbers pull off later.

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/09/2020 at 4:30pm
Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/Creature-Liquid-Latex-General-Professional/dp/B01FF3V870/ref=psdc_702382011_t3_B009DKKAG2%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/Creature-Liquid-Latex-General-Professional/dp/B01FF3V870/ref=psdc_702382011_t3_B009DKKAG2

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Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Been using this for 10 years, bought gallons for my clubs Big smile
Some club put their badge and resell it.

You'd be surprised that many many TT glues out there actually the same glue as this.

https://www.demco.com/demco-reg-rubber-liquid-cream-glue

Just the best, IMO


Tommyzai: $10.99 for 16oz -->     68 cents per oz
Dual700: $8.39 for     6oz -->  140 cents per oz

Tommyzai is twice cheaper. However apparently we can add ammonia to Dual700's solution so that maybe fills the gap, assuming Tommyzai's is not any thicker afterwards.


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Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 11/09/2020 at 6:49pm
Nothing beats Chemical Vulcanizing Fluid, especially the one you get for repairing Car/4-wheeler tires.

https://www.amazon.in/Lotus-CVF-Tin-Brush-250mL/dp/B08HS47RXB/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=vulcanizing+fluid&qid=1604965832&sr=8-2 " rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.in/Lotus-CVF-Tin-Brush-250mL/dp/B08HS47RXB/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=vulcanizing+fluid&qid=1604965832&sr=8-2  ;


Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 11/09/2020 at 7:48pm
I think Crazy Glue or Super Glue is the way to go. That will force you to commit to a set-up. It will be like a pre-made Sportscraft from Walmart or those hard plastic Killer Spin rackets.   

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/10/2020 at 1:30am
elmer's rubber cement diluted with 10ml lighter fluid. 

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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 11/10/2020 at 11:24am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

elmer's rubber cement diluted with 10ml lighter fluid. 

Hey Yogi, prevent forest fires . . . don't smoke anywhere near that racket.


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Posted By: aeoliah
Date Posted: 11/10/2020 at 9:59pm
Hi Yogi Bear, is lighter fluid the best for thinning Elmer's Rubber Cement ? I am using Herin (at lease that is the local name for diluting Aica Aibon glue), but I think it is not the best thinning agent.


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/12/2020 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by aeoliah aeoliah wrote:

Hi Yogi Bear, is lighter fluid the best for thinning Elmer's Rubber Cement ? I am using Herin (at lease that is the local name for diluting Aica Aibon glue), but I think it is not the best thinning agent.

It is the cheapest available solvent in my place. I am sure there are other things you can use. 


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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/12/2020 at 7:52pm
Itchy envy with all table tennis folks, -- the bulk of 20.000 litres of first -grade rubber glue, just for free.



Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 11/25/2020 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

The Creature Liquid Latex worked great on the first two rubbers . . . strong adhesion, but not so strong that the top ply pulls off when removing (blade was sealed).

Correction . . . The Creature Liquid Latex is VERY strong after it cures a week or so. I like it, but user BEWARE . . . blade sealing is not optional . . . it's a must or bust. 


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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 11/25/2020 at 9:24pm
Just by the glue I recommended and be happy LOL



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