anti penholder tactics
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Topic: anti penholder tactics
Posted By: blahness
Subject: anti penholder tactics
Date Posted: 12/30/2020 at 7:29am
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Against standard penholders I just found an incredible serve against them, which is the FH heavy sidespin serve to the BH short corner (not the cockscrew variant). If you serve it spinny enough it's close to unpushable as they'll pop this up where you can then loopkill to their wide FH. Any balls that are long you just loopkill to their wide FH as they'll be out of position. Also I think it's damn awkward for the RPB since they have to cock back their wrist into a position where they have to contact the ball more to the right side of the ball which can't be done unless they have a BH dominant grip like Wang Hao. And once they do the RPB the wide FH corner is again wide open.
Doesn't really work against shakehand players because they will just step to the left and BH loop this all day long comfortably. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
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Posted By: passifid
Date Posted: 12/30/2020 at 9:47am
| this is perfect serve to do that inside out Xu Xin style flick on FYI |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 12/30/2020 at 4:52pm
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if you can practice your serves where the ball lands right next to the net brackets of the penholder backhand, then you have a real winner. I use that sidespin serve as part of my repertoire, but it isn't spinny enough, but at least the placement is there. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 12/30/2020 at 4:54pm
I know what you're talking about haha...yes that is true but most players did not learn it  ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
passifid wrote:Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 12/30/2020 at 5:08pm
I tried a few times, yeah you have to make it go almost horizontally after it leaves the side of the table, then it's super effective. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: lasta
Date Posted: 12/31/2020 at 8:50am
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Any wide serve to the backhand is a good start against penholders. But I think a wide side-backspin even harder to attack. Keep in mind you'll just as likely get a wide left-sidespin return to your backhand, so a loopkill down the line will take some skill.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 12/31/2020 at 8:57am
It's easier to push the sidebackspin serve than the sidespin serve... sidebackspin also makes it harder for you to attack the 3rd ball. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: lasta
Date Posted: 12/31/2020 at 9:10am
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10:35 side-push is a pretty stand stroke for penholders ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AUDoW50MRA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AUDoW50MRA ) You'll likely have a higher chance of pop-up if they overestimate the backspin on pushing a side-back serve.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 12/31/2020 at 9:25am
It's still gonna go long most of the time, and hence loopable. If you serve sidebackspin they're gonna push short and you lost your chance to attack. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: lasta
Date Posted: 12/31/2020 at 9:31am
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Try to get good spin, more side than back, but enough to let them think there is backspin in it. If it doesn't pop up, it will be more likely be longer to your backhand or middle. More predictable for you. Side push/chop-block works too well against pure sidespin or even topspin serves.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 12/31/2020 at 6:11pm
I definitely do have a side backspin serve, but I don't serve that until they proven they can control my sidespin serve haha.... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: wappak
Date Posted: 12/31/2020 at 10:19pm
| most penholders are forehand dominant, try to put long ball on their bh, keep the ball always low and put some backspin. then surprise them with cross court ball on their fh |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 01/01/2021 at 8:23am
Hmm the penholders who have RPB would eat this ball for breakfast. I honestly don't know that many penholders who play without RPB these days. I found the short super wide sidespin serve to be very anti RPB in it's design (along with the side backspin variant) ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: wappak
Date Posted: 01/02/2021 at 1:30am
im one sided penhold, im not sure about RPB, but if think RPB players are still better in their FH, if you watch some matches between penhold vs shakehand, shakehand players always put the ball in the BH of penhold. i think penhold BH is inferior to the BH of shakehand even RPB.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 01/02/2021 at 6:15am
Yeah the long fast heavy sidespin or sidebackspin serve is one of my favourites against penholders... The short wide serve just tests their footwork and touch all that much more. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |