but they re in japanese

any who can translate?

thanks in advance

Spectol S1- S3 https://youtu.be/Be5_vzHWdXk  " rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/Be5_vzHWdXk   ;

Spinpips D1 :  https://youtu.be/42F4w-YP24k" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/42F4w-YP24k

Spinpips D1 = TSP Spinpips

Spinpips D3 = TSP Spinpips chop sponge 2

Spinpips D2 = new very agressive soft fast with rotation like the Victas Vo102 but this one is fully made in China on purpose

what about the other spectol versions?

I meant S2 and S3

I dunno for S3

I think 101 is a rubber for not let the opponent play.it would be great a rubber with that deception and easyness to attack. a friend told me that S3 has more deception than S2

Any Japanese readers can confirm if the new S/D rubbers are just rebranding or completely different from the TSP Spectol/Spinpips Reds?

If the latter, I'd better stock up.

Hope someone can test them.

Is that what you think or did TSP/Victas say that? 

Spectol  blue was the best rubber of all of them. 

Thanks for the info. Dang I actually usually TSP Spectol Red and enjoy it. Sad to see it go away now. 

Have you seen the Spectol S2 video?

Not yet I believe. Got a link?

 

s1 - old spectol

s2 - old spectol topsheet with new sponge

s3 - new topsheet and new sponge

Whats the features of the new topsheetS3? Is S2 like spectol 21,normal or speed?

It will have smaller pips than S1, btw the new sponge are tension sponge

I've no idea of how the pips plays. 

Do you happen to know where we can find this information to verify? 

its in the comment session  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be5_vzHWdXk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be5_vzHWdXk .

someone asked for the summarised version.

so im not sure if the info is 100% correct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaoYjUrrG5s

this is another video of s2 and s3, compared with moristo sp.

S3

The S2 has an orange sponge which seems to soak up glue a bit more than the S3.

The S3 sponge looks very similar to TSP Spectol Red, but is closer in hardness to Spectol Blue.

The top sheets for both are a slightly darker red colour and look slightly less matt/more shiny, very similar to Nittaku Sonic AR.

When bouncing a ball, S2 feels very similar to Spectol blue.

It is very difficult to tell without actually playing, but doing some spin tests, it feels like S2 has a similar amount of grip to Spectol Red/Blue, possibly very slightly less.

S3 feels like it has less grip, but until I actually play with them, I don't know for sure.

Thank you for the comparisons. When you get the chance to test out the Victas Spectols, do you mind posting which one plays and feels more closely related to the TSP Spectol Red? 

Will do - I'm looking for a long term replacement for Spectol Red, as although I have a couple of sheets left, I will have to change eventually.

It is a bit frustrating it comes in 2.0mm or 1.6mm, with no 1.8mm, so already that is something different.

Yeah it is interesting. The Spectol S3 looks very similar to the TSP Spectol Red. 

In table tennis reference said new spectols are not blue and ref rebranding

The S2 pips are the same shape as the original Spectol, with a deeper cylindrical section and shallower conical base.

The topsheet material also looks a little more 'raw' for both.

Although the sponge on the S2 was harder, at least on the sheet that I have, it doesn't feel any harder when bouncing a ball, probably because the pips are more flexible.

Spectol blue doesnt have disturbing effect and max version is worst

I m not sure if spectol 21 and spectol normal had the same topsheet.I found the 1st easier to play with.

Looks like Spectol 21 along with Blue and Red are not making the transition to Victas.  Same appears to be true for the SpinPips versions.

This is from Victas Website:

Do you happen to have the link for this? 

Here are some links to info on their website, first is the one you asked for:

http://www.victas.com/en_gb/journal/item/25/01/2021-18-10" rel="nofollow - https://www.victas.com/en_gb/journal/item/25/01/2021-18-10

A PDF with more info:

http://d2ur1kxe7rl0pg.cloudfront.net/wysiwyg/journal/journal_pdf/20210413_TSP%E8%A3%BD%E5%93%81%E3%81%AE%E4%BB%A3%E6%9B%BF%E3%81%8A%E3%81%99%E3%81%99%E3%82%81%E8%A3%BD%E5%93%81_%E3%83%A9%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E8%A9%B3%E7%B4%B0%E7%89%88.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://d2ur1kxe7rl0pg.cloudfront.net/wysiwyg/journal/journal_pdf/20210413_TSP%E8%A3%BD%E5%93%81%E3%81%AE%E4%BB%A3%E6%9B%BF%E3%81%8A%E3%81%99%E3%81%99%E3%82%81%E8%A3%BD%E5%93%81_%E3%83%A9%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E8%A9%B3%E7%B4%B0%E7%89%88.pdf

http://www.victas.com/ja_jp/journal/item/tsp_victas_transition_rubber_recomend" rel="nofollow - https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/journal/item/tsp_victas_transition_rubber_recomend

If anyone can translate the criteria for the columns  on the table below that would be helpful, the inverted and pips have different names for the columns.  Thanks in advance.

http://www.victas.com/rubber_seinou" rel="nofollow - https://www.victas.com/rubber_seinou

I ordered the D2 in 2.0 for myself, and the S3 for my friend from  https://www.nishohi.com/en/" rel="nofollow - https://www.nishohi.com/en/

This Japanese company sent them out right away.  I ordered them on Saturday night, and received them by Wednesday morning.

The other video that had someone describing the S1, S2, and S3 rubbers said the S1 was same as original spectol, S2 was basically same but more tension than S1 and much faster.  According to my translator he said the reviewer said the S3 was quite different from S1 and S2.  The shape of the pips was changed to make it easier to give a "dead" ball.  

I just got them in so will try them out tomorrow.

Thanks for the update! Yeah it almost seems like the S2 is essentially spectol red. If I remember correctly, the topsheet of spectol red is the same as the original spectol but the sponge is supposed to be faster than normal. 

Ludo posted the following info:  

The D2 is much heavier than the S3 uncut.  It's about 13 grams more, and the sponge is a dense white.  

Yeah I agree on the sponge color. The top sheet is what concerns me. The spectol red has the same topsheet as the original spectol. 

The D2 was not fast at all and was nothing Specialist 

Did you mean to say the S3 is like the spectol Red? You said "rec" instead

I got to try both S2 and S3 tonight, the short answer is S3 is the closest to Spectol Red

It is not exactly the same, the sponge is harder, like Spectol Blue, but the top sheet is a bit more flexible, which seems to compensate this to a degree.

In 2.0mm S3 is slightly faster than Spectol Blue in 1.8mm. Is has a similar low throw. It would be a good replacement if you are mainly a SP hitter or a blocker.

I found it a bit tricker to control in the short game, but this is probably a case of having to adjust slightly. It is very similar for chopping.

S2 is different, it has a much higher throw and gives a less dead ball. It is really easy to control in the short game, seems to have more gears and is more lively but only when you really attack.

My practice partner said the S3 was the hardest to play against, he really had to adjust and lift the ball more. 

Spectol Blue was a close second, with similar characteristics.

I'll be able to tell you more once I regain a bit of form after the forced lockdown break, but I think I will be changing to S3, but only after I have used my remaining sheets of Spectol Red and Blue. If S3 came in 1.8mm, I would be very tempted to change straight away.

S2 is OK, but I prefer the S3. I think S2 might be a good alternative to some of the more spin oriented pips if you wanted something in between those and the S3.

How are S3 and S2 blocking spinny loops? Blue almost has no  knuckleballs on 1.8mm..max spectol blue is harmless.

S3 in 2.0mm is very similar to block with to Blue in 1.8mm and might even disrupt/reduce the incoming spin slightly more. 

S2 is easy to control when blocking, but gives a less awkward/flat return.

Is S2  spinny like moristo?

Sorry, I've never tried the regular Moristo.

S2 is more spinny than you would expect from the shape of the pips, but I can't do a direct comparison. 

What pips plays more similar to S2? Hope S2 is not a pip thar plays like inverted. I Had Spectol red  and it was very hard to control even when I played with advanced pips like spectol clasic,v0 103  I wonder if S3 is easier to handle .

I can't really think of anything that is very close.

A faster version of the original Spectol?

The S3 suits me much better and most pips I have used for any length of time have been more along those lines

Now some pips are designed mostly for backhand like spectol, how is the control of S3? What is your setup?

I'm using an SDC, with pips on the Ash side of a Koto / A-C / Ayous / Kiri / Ayous / A-C / Ash combination blade

How does S3 behave when you block loops? Sink the balls into the net..you said the opponets  have more trouble? They sank the blocks?

A little, my opponent said they "had to lift the ball more"

I would say S3 is very similar to Spectol Red & Blue, but with slightly more disruption to incoming spin at the expense of a bit of control in the short game, however the difference is small, so if you didn't like Spectol Blue, I doubt you would like S3

Thanks a lot .

Between S2 and S3, which one has the softest sponge? 

They are listed as being the same, but I measured them at 46 degrees Shore O for the S2 and 44 degrees for the S3.

This is only from one sheet of each, so could be down to variation due to manufacturing tolerances. 

Many thanks  then I'll just have to wait until it's sold in shops around, and try it

Hope you can find something you like

I m not sure if the S1 is like a boosted spectol or spectol 21?

S1 = Regular Spectol

S2 = Spectol with high tension sponge

S3 = Spectol with taller pips, different sponge as well (might be spectol red sponge)

I have just ordered a sheet of both in 2.0mm for bh.

Been using kieler for 2 years but i want to go back to short pimples I think for a bit more attacking prospects!

How about the S1?

Somebody has tried S1 if  it plays the same as old spectol?

Tested S1 in 1.6mm and it is extremely similar to TSP Spectol besides the thickness. Maybe softer in feel but not as much as TSP Spectol 21 (which is my favorite of all the Spectol) (btw, I chop with Spectol 21 on BH).

For those looking for info about S1, S2 and S3, I found this article and compares it to the original Spectol (TSP 20082):

The top sheet has a more matt/cooked appearance than the sheets I have in red. 

After using it for a few weeks, I'm convinced it plays closer to the TSP Spectol Red I used to use than the S3 in red does.  

I never had sucess playing with red maybe because I played on FH. I like better spectol Blue but I think many want the old spectol but S1 is not the same as old spectol.

I have played with Victas 102 many times over the years, and decided to order another sheet recently. This time I ordered 2.0 instead of 1.8 and I don't know if they have changed anything or not, but this rubber curled up out of the package more than any I've ordered before. This rubber also is louder than any short pipts I've played with. It definitely has a sound like it's been speed-glued. It's softer than I remember, but I like it so I'll use it for now. I suspect Spectol Red and Blue made it to the Victas "S" series. I didn't care for Red or Blue nor S3. It's pretty hard to beat Victas 102 if you want a good pips out for attacking and spin. If something for BH that is a little stranger then try S3.

Dont you find 102 2mm harder for blocking? Have you tried Tibhars speedy soft xd dtects?

D1 must be similar to SSP21 but they say that S1 is the same as old spectol that I m sure its not true.

Anybody tried Firestorm green ?