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Topic: New Victas Short Pips ( japanese translation neede
Posted By: mykonos96
Subject: New Victas Short Pips ( japanese translation neede
Date Posted: 02/19/2021 at 2:51pm
Hi I found this videos of the new spectol and spinpips versions of Victas
but they re in japanese
any who can translate?
thanks in advance

Spectol S1- S3 https://youtu.be/Be5_vzHWdXk  " rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/Be5_vzHWdXk   ;
Spinpips D1 :  https://youtu.be/42F4w-YP24k" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/42F4w-YP24k






Replies:
Posted By: Rinforzando
Date Posted: 02/19/2021 at 2:54pm
Spectol S1 = old spectol
Spinpips D1 = TSP Spinpips
Spinpips D3 = TSP Spinpips chop sponge 2
Spinpips D2 = new very agressive soft fast with rotation like the Victas Vo102 but this one is fully made in China on purpose



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Blade: Nblades power plant 1 ply Hinoki
FH: Rallys Redmonkey
BH: Spinlab Vortex 2


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/19/2021 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by Rinforzando Rinforzando wrote:

Spectol S1 = old spectol
Spinpips D1 = TSP Spinpips
Spinpips D3 = TSP Spinpips chop sponge 2
Spinpips D2 = new very agressive soft fast with rotation like the Victas Vo102 but this one is fully made in China on purpose


what about the other spectol versions?


Posted By: Rinforzando
Date Posted: 02/20/2021 at 5:34am
you can say goodbye to them

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Blade: Nblades power plant 1 ply Hinoki
FH: Rallys Redmonkey
BH: Spinlab Vortex 2


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/20/2021 at 10:05am
Originally posted by Rinforzando Rinforzando wrote:

you can say goodbye to them

I meant S2 and S3


Posted By: Rinforzando
Date Posted: 02/20/2021 at 10:16am
new spectol. From what I understand Spectol S2 will be a bit like Vo101, with a lot of sink and deception.
I dunno for S3


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Blade: Nblades power plant 1 ply Hinoki
FH: Rallys Redmonkey
BH: Spinlab Vortex 2


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/20/2021 at 11:26pm
Originally posted by Rinforzando Rinforzando wrote:

new spectol. From what I understand Spectol S2 will be a bit like Vo101, with a lot of sink and deception.
I dunno for S3

I think 101 is a rubber for not let the opponent play.it would be great a rubber with that deception and easyness to attack. a friend told me that S3 has more deception than S2


Posted By: lasta
Date Posted: 02/21/2021 at 6:30am
Any Japanese readers can confirm if the new S/D rubbers are just rebranding or completely different from the TSP Spectol/Spinpips Reds?

If the latter, I'd better stock up.


Posted By: Rinforzando
Date Posted: 02/21/2021 at 7:14am
Some are just rebranding and some are totally new

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Blade: Nblades power plant 1 ply Hinoki
FH: Rallys Redmonkey
BH: Spinlab Vortex 2


Posted By: Rinforzando
Date Posted: 02/21/2021 at 7:15am
tsp spinpips red/blue and tsp spectol red/blue will unfortunately disappear forever :(

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Blade: Nblades power plant 1 ply Hinoki
FH: Rallys Redmonkey
BH: Spinlab Vortex 2


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/21/2021 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by lasta lasta wrote:

Any Japanese readers can confirm if the new S/D rubbers are just rebranding or completely different from the TSP Spectol/Spinpips Reds?

If the latter, I'd better stock up.

Hope someone can test them.


Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 02/22/2021 at 10:04pm
Is that what you think or did TSP/Victas say that? 


Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 02/22/2021 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by Rinforzando Rinforzando wrote:

tsp spinpips red/blue and tsp spectol red/blue will unfortunately disappear forever :(

Is that what you think or did TSP/Victas say that? 


Posted By: Rinforzando
Date Posted: 02/23/2021 at 4:09am
They said that.

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Blade: Nblades power plant 1 ply Hinoki
FH: Rallys Redmonkey
BH: Spinlab Vortex 2


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 02/23/2021 at 4:41am
Check out the links in that post.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/23/2021 at 10:12am
Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by Rinforzando Rinforzando wrote:

tsp spinpips red/blue and tsp spectol red/blue will unfortunately disappear forever :(

Is that what you think or did TSP/Victas say that? 

Spectol  blue was the best rubber of all of them. 


Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 02/23/2021 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Check out the links in that post.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280

Thanks for the info. Dang I actually usually TSP Spectol Red and enjoy it. Sad to see it go away now. 


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/23/2021 at 10:03pm
Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Check out the links in that post.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280

Thanks for the info. Dang I actually usually TSP Spectol Red and enjoy it. Sad to see it go away now. 

Have you seen the Spectol S2 video?


Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 02/23/2021 at 10:50pm
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Check out the links in that post.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280

Thanks for the info. Dang I actually usually TSP Spectol Red and enjoy it. Sad to see it go away now. 

Have you seen the Spectol S2 video?

Not yet I believe. Got a link?


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/23/2021 at 11:57pm
Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Check out the links in that post.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280

Thanks for the info. Dang I actually usually TSP Spectol Red and enjoy it. Sad to see it go away now. 

Have you seen the Spectol S2 video?

Not yet I believe. Got a link?


Spectol S1- S3  https://youtu.be/Be5_vzHWdXk%C2%A0%C2%A0" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/Be5_vzHWdXk   ;
Spinpips D1 :  https://youtu.be/42F4w-YP24k" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/42F4w-YP24k

it would be nice to know what he s saying.




 




Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 02/24/2021 at 11:09am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Check out the links in that post.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24725-TSP-Super-Ventus-and-Ventus-Spin-Anyone-played-with-it&p=335280&viewfull=1#post335280

Thanks for the info. Dang I actually usually TSP Spectol Red and enjoy it. Sad to see it go away now. 

Have you seen the Spectol S2 video?

Not yet I believe. Got a link?


Spectol S1- S3  https://youtu.be/Be5_vzHWdXk%C2%A0%C2%A0" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/Be5_vzHWdXk   ;
Spinpips D1 :  https://youtu.be/42F4w-YP24k" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/42F4w-YP24k

it would be nice to know what he s saying.


Agreed. Yeah from the catalog it seems the S1 is just the normal spectol and the other 2 are something else. I think he said the S3 might be the fastest of the 3 from the video because he did mention high tension but I could be wrong. 

 




Posted By: junjun0857
Date Posted: 03/28/2021 at 4:42pm
I've read it somewhere and not sure if the information is correct

s1 - old spectol

s2 - old spectol topsheet with new sponge

s3 - new topsheet and new sponge


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/28/2021 at 9:43pm
Originally posted by junjun0857 junjun0857 wrote:

I've read it somewhere and not sure if the information is correct

s1 - old spectol

s2 - old spectol topsheet with new sponge

s3 - new topsheet and new sponge

Whats the features of the new topsheetS3? Is S2 like spectol 21,normal or speed?


Posted By: junjun0857
Date Posted: 03/29/2021 at 9:52am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by junjun0857 junjun0857 wrote:

I've read it somewhere and not sure if the information is correct

s1 - old spectol

s2 - old spectol topsheet with new sponge

s3 - new topsheet and new sponge

Whats the features of the new topsheetS3? Is S2 like spectol 21,normal or speed?

It will have smaller pips than S1, btw the new sponge are tension sponge
I've no idea of how the pips plays. 


Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 03/29/2021 at 9:34pm
Originally posted by junjun0857 junjun0857 wrote:

I've read it somewhere and not sure if the information is correct

s1 - old spectol

s2 - old spectol topsheet with new sponge

s3 - new topsheet and new sponge

Do you happen to know where we can find this information to verify? 


Posted By: junjun0857
Date Posted: 03/30/2021 at 5:36am
Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by junjun0857 junjun0857 wrote:

I've read it somewhere and not sure if the information is correct

s1 - old spectol

s2 - old spectol topsheet with new sponge

s3 - new topsheet and new sponge

Do you happen to know where we can find this information to verify? 

its in the comment session  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be5_vzHWdXk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be5_vzHWdXk .
someone asked for the summarised version.
so im not sure if the info is 100% correct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaoYjUrrG5s
this is another video of s2 and s3, compared with moristo sp.


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 05/01/2021 at 12:04pm
I've had a sheet of Spectol S2 and S3 arrive today. Since clubs will not be open in the UK for a couple of weeks due to Covid restrictions, I can't really tell you too much at this stage other than some mesurements and photos and a few impressions from bouncing a ball.



S2



S3




Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 05/01/2021 at 12:17pm
The S2 was slightly heavier and harder at 43g and 46 degrees Shore O, The S3 was 40g and 44 degrees Shore O.

The S2 has an orange sponge which seems to soak up glue a bit more than the S3.

The S3 sponge looks very similar to TSP Spectol Red, but is closer in hardness to Spectol Blue.

The top sheets for both are a slightly darker red colour and look slightly less matt/more shiny, very similar to Nittaku Sonic AR.

When bouncing a ball, S2 feels very similar to Spectol blue.

It is very difficult to tell without actually playing, but doing some spin tests, it feels like S2 has a similar amount of grip to Spectol Red/Blue, possibly very slightly less.

S3 feels like it has less grip, but until I actually play with them, I don't know for sure.


Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 05/01/2021 at 10:38pm
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

The S2 was slightly heavier and harder at 43g and 46 degrees Shore O, The S3 was 40g and 44 degrees Shore O.

The S2 has an orange sponge which seems to soak up glue a bit more than the S3.

The S3 sponge looks very similar to TSP Spectol Red, but is closer in hardness to Spectol Blue.

The top sheets for both are a slightly darker red colour and look slightly less matt/more shiny, very similar to Nittaku Sonic AR.

When bouncing a ball, S2 feels very similar to Spectol blue.

It is very difficult to tell without actually playing, but doing some spin tests, it feels like S2 has a similar amount of grip to Spectol Red/Blue, possibly very slightly less.

S3 feels like it has less grip, but until I actually play with them, I don't know for sure.

Thank you for the comparisons. When you get the chance to test out the Victas Spectols, do you mind posting which one plays and feels more closely related to the TSP Spectol Red? 


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 05/02/2021 at 3:27am
Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:


Thank you for the comparisons. When you get the chance to test out the Victas Spectols, do you mind posting which one plays and feels more closely related to the TSP Spectol Red? 

Will do - I'm looking for a long term replacement for Spectol Red, as although I have a couple of sheets left, I will have to change eventually.

It is a bit frustrating it comes in 2.0mm or 1.6mm, with no 1.8mm, so already that is something different.


Posted By: 1dennistt
Date Posted: 05/03/2021 at 11:02am
I'm not sure this agrees with other things I have read, but here is some info from Victas website:


TSP productsVICTAS alternative recommended product
1Spectrum 21 sponge https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/speed/spectol-s1" rel="nofollow - SPECTOL S1
2Spectrum red https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/speed/spectol-s2" rel="nofollow - SPECTOL S2
3Spectrum blue https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/speed/spectol-s3" rel="nofollow - SPECTOL S3
FourSuper Spin Pips 21 sponge https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/spin/spinpips-d1" rel="nofollow - SPINPIPS D1
FiveSpin pips red https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/spin/spinpips-d2" rel="nofollow - SPINPIPS D2
6Spin pips blue https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/spin/spinpips-d2" rel="nofollow - SPINPIPS D2


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Donic Waldner World Champion 1989 ZLC (Inner), Donic BlueStorm Pro (Red) Max, ????? (Black) 1.8 mm)


Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 05/03/2021 at 4:05pm
Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I'm not sure this agrees with other things I have read, but here is some info from Victas website:


TSP productsVICTAS alternative recommended product
1Spectrum 21 sponge https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/speed/spectol-s1" rel="nofollow - SPECTOL S1
2Spectrum red https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/speed/spectol-s2" rel="nofollow - SPECTOL S2
3Spectrum blue https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/speed/spectol-s3" rel="nofollow - SPECTOL S3
FourSuper Spin Pips 21 sponge https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/spin/spinpips-d1" rel="nofollow - SPINPIPS D1
FiveSpin pips red https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/spin/spinpips-d2" rel="nofollow - SPINPIPS D2
6Spin pips blue https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/spin/spinpips-d2" rel="nofollow - SPINPIPS D2

Yeah it is interesting. The Spectol S3 looks very similar to the TSP Spectol Red. 


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/04/2021 at 11:33am
Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I'm not sure this agrees with other things I have read, but here is some info from Victas website:


TSP productsVICTAS alternative recommended product
1Spectrum 21 sponge https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/speed/spectol-s1" rel="nofollow - SPECTOL S1
2Spectrum red https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/speed/spectol-s2" rel="nofollow - SPECTOL S2
3Spectrum blue https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/speed/spectol-s3" rel="nofollow - SPECTOL S3
FourSuper Spin Pips 21 sponge https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/spin/spinpips-d1" rel="nofollow - SPINPIPS D1
FiveSpin pips red https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/spin/spinpips-d2" rel="nofollow - SPINPIPS D2
6Spin pips blue https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/products/rubber/pimplesout/spin/spinpips-d2" rel="nofollow - SPINPIPS D2

Yeah it is interesting. The Spectol S3 looks very similar to the TSP Spectol Red. 

In table tennis reference said new spectols are not blue and ref rebranding


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 05/04/2021 at 4:27pm
I think the shape of the S3 pips is the same as TSP Spectol Red/Blue, but they are very slightly smaller and spaced fractionally further apart. 

The S2 pips are the same shape as the original Spectol, with a deeper cylindrical section and shallower conical base.

The topsheet material also looks a little more 'raw' for both.

Although the sponge on the S2 was harder, at least on the sheet that I have, it doesn't feel any harder when bouncing a ball, probably because the pips are more flexible.





Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/04/2021 at 8:08pm
Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

The S2 was slightly heavier and harder at 43g and 46 degrees Shore O, The S3 was 40g and 44 degrees Shore O.

The S2 has an orange sponge which seems to soak up glue a bit more than the S3.

The S3 sponge looks very similar to TSP Spectol Red, but is closer in hardness to Spectol Blue.

The top sheets for both are a slightly darker red colour and look slightly less matt/more shiny, very similar to Nittaku Sonic AR.

When bouncing a ball, S2 feels very similar to Spectol blue.

It is very difficult to tell without actually playing, but doing some spin tests, it feels like S2 has a similar amount of grip to Spectol Red/Blue, possibly very slightly less.

S3 feels like it has less grip, but until I actually play with them, I don't know for sure.

Thank you for the comparisons. When you get the chance to test out the Victas Spectols, do you mind posting which one plays and feels more closely related to the TSP Spectol Red? 

Spectol blue doesnt have disturbing effect and max version is worst


Posted By: Yagorkin
Date Posted: 05/07/2021 at 3:52pm
So, we finally have Spectol 21 2.0 mm as Victas Spectol S1?


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/08/2021 at 3:20am
Originally posted by Yagorkin Yagorkin wrote:

So, we finally have Spectol 21 2.0 mm as Victas Spectol S1?

I m not sure if spectol 21 and spectol normal had the same topsheet.I found the 1st easier to play with.


Posted By: 1dennistt
Date Posted: 05/10/2021 at 2:55pm
Looks like Spectol 21 along with Blue and Red are not making the transition to Victas.  Same appears to be true for the SpinPips versions. Ouch

This is from Victas Website:

Pimple-Out rubbers

 TSP

 VICTAS

 Spectol                                    

 SPECTOL S1                          

 Spectol 21

 ー

 Spectol Red

 ー

 Spectol Blue

 ー

 Super Spinpips

 SPINPIPS D1

 Super Spinpips CHOP II

 SPINPIPS D3

 Super Spinpips 21

 ー

 Spinpips Red

 ー

 Spinpips Blue

 ー

 Curl P1 R

 CURL P1V

 Curl P2

 CURL P2V

 Curl P3 Alpha R

 CURL P3αV

 Curl P-4

 CURL P4V

 Curl P-H

 CURL P5V

 Spin Magic

 ―

 L-Catcher

 ―



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Donic Waldner World Champion 1989 ZLC (Inner), Donic BlueStorm Pro (Red) Max, ????? (Black) 1.8 mm)


Posted By: Yagorkin
Date Posted: 05/11/2021 at 7:03am
This is sick. Spectol 21 was easily the most popular one. Should we really speed glue Spectol S1 in 2021?


Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 05/11/2021 at 9:40am
Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

Looks like Spectol 21 along with Blue and Red are not making the transition to Victas.  Same appears to be true for the SpinPips versions. Ouch

This is from Victas Website:

Pimple-Out rubbers

 TSP

 VICTAS

 Spectol                                    

 SPECTOL S1                          

 Spectol 21

 ー

 Spectol Red

 ー

 Spectol Blue

 ー

 Super Spinpips

 SPINPIPS D1

 Super Spinpips CHOP II

 SPINPIPS D3

 Super Spinpips 21

 ー

 Spinpips Red

 ー

 Spinpips Blue

 ー

 Curl P1 R

 CURL P1V

 Curl P2

 CURL P2V

 Curl P3 Alpha R

 CURL P3αV

 Curl P-4

 CURL P4V

 Curl P-H

 CURL P5V

 Spin Magic

 ―

 L-Catcher

 ―


Do you happen to have the link for this? 


Posted By: 1dennistt
Date Posted: 05/11/2021 at 3:31pm
Here are some links to info on their website, first is the one you asked for:

http://www.victas.com/en_gb/journal/item/25/01/2021-18-10" rel="nofollow - https://www.victas.com/en_gb/journal/item/25/01/2021-18-10

A PDF with more info:
http://d2ur1kxe7rl0pg.cloudfront.net/wysiwyg/journal/journal_pdf/20210413_TSP%E8%A3%BD%E5%93%81%E3%81%AE%E4%BB%A3%E6%9B%BF%E3%81%8A%E3%81%99%E3%81%99%E3%82%81%E8%A3%BD%E5%93%81_%E3%83%A9%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E8%A9%B3%E7%B4%B0%E7%89%88.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://d2ur1kxe7rl0pg.cloudfront.net/wysiwyg/journal/journal_pdf/20210413_TSP%E8%A3%BD%E5%93%81%E3%81%AE%E4%BB%A3%E6%9B%BF%E3%81%8A%E3%81%99%E3%81%99%E3%82%81%E8%A3%BD%E5%93%81_%E3%83%A9%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E8%A9%B3%E7%B4%B0%E7%89%88.pdf


http://www.victas.com/ja_jp/journal/item/tsp_victas_transition_rubber_recomend" rel="nofollow - https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/journal/item/tsp_victas_transition_rubber_recomend

If anyone can translate the criteria for the columns  on the table below that would be helpful, the inverted and pips have different names for the columns.  Thanks in advance.

http://www.victas.com/rubber_seinou" rel="nofollow - https://www.victas.com/rubber_seinou


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Donic Waldner World Champion 1989 ZLC (Inner), Donic BlueStorm Pro (Red) Max, ????? (Black) 1.8 mm)


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/12/2021 at 4:11pm
I have a couple of Japanese players at the club and they've provided a little description to me about the rubbers.  One of them mentioned the video describing the D1, D2, and D3 rubbers said the D2 was faster and more spin than Victas 102.  

I ordered the D2 in 2.0 for myself, and the S3 for my friend from  https://www.nishohi.com/en/" rel="nofollow - https://www.nishohi.com/en/

This Japanese company sent them out right away.  I ordered them on Saturday night, and received them by Wednesday morning.

The other video that had someone describing the S1, S2, and S3 rubbers said the S1 was same as original spectol, S2 was basically same but more tension than S1 and much faster.  According to my translator he said the reviewer said the S3 was quite different from S1 and S2.  The shape of the pips was changed to make it easier to give a "dead" ball.  

I just got them in so will try them out tomorrow.


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Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
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Posted By: Yagorkin
Date Posted: 05/12/2021 at 5:33pm
So, is S2 different from Spectol 21?


Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 05/13/2021 at 10:47am
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

I have a couple of Japanese players at the club and they've provided a little description to me about the rubbers.  One of them mentioned the video describing the D1, D2, and D3 rubbers said the D2 was faster and more spin than Victas 102.  

I ordered the D2 in 2.0 for myself, and the S3 for my friend from  https://www.nishohi.com/en/" rel="nofollow - https://www.nishohi.com/en/

This Japanese company sent them out right away.  I ordered them on Saturday night, and received them by Wednesday morning.

The other video that had someone describing the S1, S2, and S3 rubbers said the S1 was same as original spectol, S2 was basically same but more tension than S1 and much faster.  According to my translator he said the reviewer said the S3 was quite different from S1 and S2.  The shape of the pips was changed to make it easier to give a "dead" ball.  

I just got them in so will try them out tomorrow.

Thanks for the update! Yeah it almost seems like the S2 is essentially spectol red. If I remember correctly, the topsheet of spectol red is the same as the original spectol but the sponge is supposed to be faster than normal. 


Posted By: 1dennistt
Date Posted: 05/13/2021 at 11:31am
This info might help someone who is looking for a Spectol 21 substitute.  It is from an old thread from 2014.  it offers a small review of the other Victas pips.

Ludo posted the following info:  

I hit briefly with both rubbers (Max sponge for both).

VO-101:  
Very similar to Spectol 21 (topsheet and sponge).
Sponge:  Soft, springy and very fast sponge (faster than Spectol 21).
Topsheet: similar pips to Spectol (slightly longer) and more flexible. Top of pips is grippier than Spectol.  VO-101 is a traditional SP with thinner pips (cylindrical shaped... I thought they were Medium pips at first) much less sensitive to spin so easier to block spinny loops and occasional knuckle ball returns.


VO-102:
Topsheet is very similar to Stiga Clippa (same grip, less than 802-40).
Sponge feels harder and slower (vs VO101).
Easier to control for me as I play modern defense with SP on BH.
VO-102 is a more grippy SP (like Clippa, 802, 802-40, etc..).

Quality wise is on par with TSP Spectol.


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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/13/2021 at 1:28pm
The sponge of S3 looks very similar to the Spectol Red. Don't know about the topsheet, but will look for my old version of Spectol Red and see how they compare.
The D2 is much heavier than the S3 uncut.  It's about 13 grams more, and the sponge is a dense white.  


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Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 05/13/2021 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

The sponge of S3 looks very similar to the Spectol Red. Don't know about the topsheet, but will look for my old version of Spectol Red and see how they compare.
The D2 is much heavier than the S3 uncut.  It's about 13 grams more, and the sponge is a dense white.  

Yeah I agree on the sponge color. The top sheet is what concerns me. The spectol red has the same topsheet as the original spectol. 


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/15/2021 at 12:14am
ok... played with Victas D2 and Victas S3 tonight. Some people on YouTube had said the D2 was very fast and the S3 was slow. It was just the opposite. The D2 Spinpips was slow and the S3 Spectol was fast. The S3 is pretty good but may just be Spectol rec. I could loop a little with it, and actually liked it, but it’s very light and the loss of weight really threw me off. 
The D2 was not fast at all and was nothing Specialist 


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Posted By: Rinforzando
Date Posted: 05/16/2021 at 7:01am
Is the D2 spinnier than Victas Vo>102 ?

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Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 05/16/2021 at 10:48am
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

ok... played with Victas D2 and Victas S3 tonight. Some people on YouTube had said the D2 was very fast and the S3 was slow. It was just the opposite. The D2 Spinpips was slow and the S3 Spectol was fast. The S3 is pretty good but may just be Spectol rec. I could loop a little with it, and actually liked it, but it’s very light and the loss of weight really threw me off. 
The D2 was not fast at all and was nothing Specialist 

Did you mean to say the S3 is like the spectol Red? You said "rec" instead


Posted By: SG_Blades
Date Posted: 05/17/2021 at 10:19am
sorry...wrong post


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/17/2021 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by SG_Blades SG_Blades wrote:

Yes...I think S3 is just Spectol Red re-badged.  The D2 was nothing great IMO. It certainly was not a very-fast rubber like the description on the package says! I'm guessing one of the other "D" rubbers is like Spin Pips Red and Blue.  The S3 is really not bad, it's fast and you can attack underspin but I don't like the extremely light weight of it.  It's about 13g lighter than D2 and other pips out rubbers I've played with, and the lack of weight threw me off.


Is S2 rebranded Spectol blue? 


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 05/18/2021 at 5:08pm
Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

The S2 was slightly heavier and harder at 43g and 46 degrees Shore O, The S3 was 40g and 44 degrees Shore O.

The S2 has an orange sponge which seems to soak up glue a bit more than the S3.

The S3 sponge looks very similar to TSP Spectol Red, but is closer in hardness to Spectol Blue.

The top sheets for both are a slightly darker red colour and look slightly less matt/more shiny, very similar to Nittaku Sonic AR.

When bouncing a ball, S2 feels very similar to Spectol blue.

It is very difficult to tell without actually playing, but doing some spin tests, it feels like S2 has a similar amount of grip to Spectol Red/Blue, possibly very slightly less.

S3 feels like it has less grip, but until I actually play with them, I don't know for sure.

Thank you for the comparisons. When you get the chance to test out the Victas Spectols, do you mind posting which one plays and feels more closely related to the TSP Spectol Red? 

I got to try both S2 and S3 tonight, the short answer is S3 is the closest to Spectol Red

It is not exactly the same, the sponge is harder, like Spectol Blue, but the top sheet is a bit more flexible, which seems to compensate this to a degree.
In 2.0mm S3 is slightly faster than Spectol Blue in 1.8mm. Is has a similar low throw. It would be a good replacement if you are mainly a SP hitter or a blocker.
I found it a bit tricker to control in the short game, but this is probably a case of having to adjust slightly. It is very similar for chopping.

S2 is different, it has a much higher throw and gives a less dead ball. It is really easy to control in the short game, seems to have more gears and is more lively but only when you really attack.

My practice partner said the S3 was the hardest to play against, he really had to adjust and lift the ball more. 
Spectol Blue was a close second, with similar characteristics.

I'll be able to tell you more once I regain a bit of form after the forced lockdown break, but I think I will be changing to S3, but only after I have used my remaining sheets of Spectol Red and Blue. If S3 came in 1.8mm, I would be very tempted to change straight away.

S2 is OK, but I prefer the S3. I think S2 might be a good alternative to some of the more spin oriented pips if you wanted something in between those and the S3.




Posted By: Yagorkin
Date Posted: 05/19/2021 at 3:56am
Could anyone compare S2 and S3 to Spectol 21?


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/19/2021 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

The S2 was slightly heavier and harder at 43g and 46 degrees Shore O, The S3 was 40g and 44 degrees Shore O.

The S2 has an orange sponge which seems to soak up glue a bit more than the S3.

The S3 sponge looks very similar to TSP Spectol Red, but is closer in hardness to Spectol Blue.

The top sheets for both are a slightly darker red colour and look slightly less matt/more shiny, very similar to Nittaku Sonic AR.

When bouncing a ball, S2 feels very similar to Spectol blue.

It is very difficult to tell without actually playing, but doing some spin tests, it feels like S2 has a similar amount of grip to Spectol Red/Blue, possibly very slightly less.

S3 feels like it has less grip, but until I actually play with them, I don't know for sure.

Thank you for the comparisons. When you get the chance to test out the Victas Spectols, do you mind posting which one plays and feels more closely related to the TSP Spectol Red? 

I got to try both S2 and S3 tonight, the short answer is S3 is the closest to Spectol Red

It is not exactly the same, the sponge is harder, like Spectol Blue, but the top sheet is a bit more flexible, which seems to compensate this to a degree.
In 2.0mm S3 is slightly faster than Spectol Blue in 1.8mm. Is has a similar low throw. It would be a good replacement if you are mainly a SP hitter or a blocker.
I found it a bit tricker to control in the short game, but this is probably a case of having to adjust slightly. It is very similar for chopping.

S2 is different, it has a much higher throw and gives a less dead ball. It is really easy to control in the short game, seems to have more gears and is more lively but only when you really attack.

My practice partner said the S3 was the hardest to play against, he really had to adjust and lift the ball more. 
Spectol Blue was a close second, with similar characteristics.

I'll be able to tell you more once I regain a bit of form after the forced lockdown break, but I think I will be changing to S3, but only after I have used my remaining sheets of Spectol Red and Blue. If S3 came in 1.8mm, I would be very tempted to change straight away.

S2 is OK, but I prefer the S3. I think S2 might be a good alternative to some of the more spin oriented pips if you wanted something in between those and the S3.



How are S3 and S2 blocking spinny loops? Blue almost has no  knuckleballs on 1.8mm..max spectol blue is harmless.


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 1:29am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:


How are S3 and S2 blocking spinny loops? Blue almost has no  knuckleballs on 1.8mm..max spectol blue is harmless.

S3 in 2.0mm is very similar to block with to Blue in 1.8mm and might even disrupt/reduce the incoming spin slightly more. 

S2 is easy to control when blocking, but gives a less awkward/flat return.


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/20/2021 at 12:15pm
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:


How are S3 and S2 blocking spinny loops? Blue almost has no  knuckleballs on 1.8mm..max spectol blue is harmless.

S3 in 2.0mm is very similar to block with to Blue in 1.8mm and might even disrupt/reduce the incoming spin slightly more. 

S2 is easy to control when blocking, but gives a less awkward/flat return.

Is S2  spinny like moristo?


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 1:25am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:


Is S2  spinny like moristo?

Sorry, I've never tried the regular Moristo.

S2 is more spinny than you would expect from the shape of the pips, but I can't do a direct comparison. 


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 2:54am
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:


Is S2  spinny like moristo?

Sorry, I've never tried the regular Moristo.

S2 is more spinny than you would expect from the shape of the pips, but I can't do a direct comparison. 

What pips plays more similar to S2? Hope S2 is not a pip thar plays like inverted. I Had Spectol red  and it was very hard to control even when I played with advanced pips like spectol clasic,v0 103  I wonder if S3 is easier to handle .


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 5:06am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

What pips plays more similar to S2? Hope S2 is not a pip thar plays like inverted. I Had Spectol red  and it was very hard to control even when I played with advanced pips like spectol clasic,v0 103  I wonder if S3 is easier to handle .

I can't really think of anything that is very close.
A faster version of the original Spectol?
The S3 suits me much better and most pips I have used for any length of time have been more along those lines


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 11:03am
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

What pips plays more similar to S2? Hope S2 is not a pip thar plays like inverted. I Had Spectol red  and it was very hard to control even when I played with advanced pips like spectol clasic,v0 103  I wonder if S3 is easier to handle .

I can't really think of anything that is very close.
A faster version of the original Spectol?
The S3 suits me much better and most pips I have used for any length of time have been more along those lines

Now some pips are designed mostly for backhand like spectol, how is the control of S3? What is your setup?


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 05/21/2021 at 12:01pm
I find the S3 very 'precise', which gives me good control, however others might not feel the same.

I'm using an SDC, with pips on the Ash side of a Koto / A-C / Ayous / Kiri / Ayous / A-C / Ash combination blade


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/22/2021 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

I find the S3 very 'precise', which gives me good control, however others might not feel the same.

I'm using an SDC, with pips on the Ash side of a Koto / A-C / Ayous / Kiri / Ayous / A-C / Ash combination blade

How does S3 behave when you block loops? Sink the balls into the net..you said the opponets  have more trouble? They sank the blocks?


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 05/23/2021 at 3:06am
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

How does S3 behave when you block loops? Sink the balls into the net..you said the opponets  have more trouble? They sank the blocks?

A little, my opponent said they "had to lift the ball more"

I would say S3 is very similar to Spectol Red & Blue, but with slightly more disruption to incoming spin at the expense of a bit of control in the short game, however the difference is small, so if you didn't like Spectol Blue, I doubt you would like S3


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/23/2021 at 10:25am
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

How does S3 behave when you block loops? Sink the balls into the net..you said the opponets  have more trouble? They sank the blocks?

A little, my opponent said they "had to lift the ball more"

I would say S3 is very similar to Spectol Red & Blue, but with slightly more disruption to incoming spin at the expense of a bit of control in the short game, however the difference is small, so if you didn't like Spectol Blue, I doubt you would like S3

Thanks a lot .


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 08/22/2021 at 10:00pm
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

The S2 was slightly heavier and harder at 43g and 46 degrees Shore O, The S3 was 40g and 44 degrees Shore O.

The S2 has an orange sponge which seems to soak up glue a bit more than the S3.

The S3 sponge looks very similar to TSP Spectol Red, but is closer in hardness to Spectol Blue.

The top sheets for both are a slightly darker red colour and look slightly less matt/more shiny, very similar to Nittaku Sonic AR.

When bouncing a ball, S2 feels very similar to Spectol blue.

It is very difficult to tell without actually playing, but doing some spin tests, it feels like S2 has a similar amount of grip to Spectol Red/Blue, possibly very slightly less.

S3 feels like it has less grip, but until I actually play with them, I don't know for sure.




How is the S3 spin to open serves with loop?

Thank you for the comparisons. When you get the chance to test out the Victas Spectols, do you mind posting which one plays and feels more closely related to the TSP Spectol Red? 

I got to try both S2 and S3 tonight, the short answer is S3 is the closest to Spectol Red

It is not exactly the same, the sponge is harder, like Spectol Blue, but the top sheet is a bit more flexible, which seems to compensate this to a degree.
In 2.0mm S3 is slightly faster than Spectol Blue in 1.8mm. Is has a similar low throw. It would be a good replacement if you are mainly a SP hitter or a blocker.
I found it a bit tricker to control in the short game, but this is probably a case of having to adjust slightly. It is very similar for chopping.

S2 is different, it has a much higher throw and gives a less dead ball. It is really easy to control in the short game, seems to have more gears and is more lively but only when you really attack.

My practice partner said the S3 was the hardest to play against, he really had to adjust and lift the ball more. 
Spectol Blue was a close second, with similar characteristics.

I'll be able to tell you more once I regain a bit of form after the forced lockdown break, but I think I will be changing to S3, but only after I have used my remaining sheets of Spectol Red and Blue. If S3 came in 1.8mm, I would be very tempted to change straight away.

S2 is OK, but I prefer the S3. I think S2 might be a good alternative to some of the more spin oriented pips if you wanted something in between those and the S3.




Posted By: comodoensis
Date Posted: 08/23/2021 at 5:33am
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by Shiro Shiro wrote:

Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

The S2 was slightly heavier and harder at 43g and 46 degrees Shore O, The S3 was 40g and 44 degrees Shore O.

The S2 has an orange sponge which seems to soak up glue a bit more than the S3.

The S3 sponge looks very similar to TSP Spectol Red, but is closer in hardness to Spectol Blue.

The top sheets for both are a slightly darker red colour and look slightly less matt/more shiny, very similar to Nittaku Sonic AR.

When bouncing a ball, S2 feels very similar to Spectol blue.

It is very difficult to tell without actually playing, but doing some spin tests, it feels like S2 has a similar amount of grip to Spectol Red/Blue, possibly very slightly less.

S3 feels like it has less grip, but until I actually play with them, I don't know for sure.

Thank you for the comparisons. When you get the chance to test out the Victas Spectols, do you mind posting which one plays and feels more closely related to the TSP Spectol Red? 

I got to try both S2 and S3 tonight, the short answer is S3 is the closest to Spectol Red

It is not exactly the same, the sponge is harder, like Spectol Blue, but the top sheet is a bit more flexible, which seems to compensate this to a degree.
In 2.0mm S3 is slightly faster than Spectol Blue in 1.8mm. Is has a similar low throw. It would be a good replacement if you are mainly a SP hitter or a blocker.
I found it a bit tricker to control in the short game, but this is probably a case of having to adjust slightly. It is very similar for chopping.

S2 is different, it has a much higher throw and gives a less dead ball. It is really easy to control in the short game, seems to have more gears and is more lively but only when you really attack.

My practice partner said the S3 was the hardest to play against, he really had to adjust and lift the ball more. 
Spectol Blue was a close second, with similar characteristics.

I'll be able to tell you more once I regain a bit of form after the forced lockdown break, but I think I will be changing to S3, but only after I have used my remaining sheets of Spectol Red and Blue. If S3 came in 1.8mm, I would be very tempted to change straight away.

S2 is OK, but I prefer the S3. I think S2 might be a good alternative to some of the more spin oriented pips if you wanted something in between those and the S3.



Between S2 and S3, which one has the softest sponge? 


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 08/23/2021 at 7:12am
Originally posted by comodoensis comodoensis wrote:


Between S2 and S3, which one has the softest sponge? 

They are listed as being the same, but I measured them at 46 degrees Shore O for the S2 and 44 degrees for the S3.

This is only from one sheet of each, so could be down to variation due to manufacturing tolerances. 


Posted By: comodoensis
Date Posted: 08/29/2021 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by comodoensis comodoensis wrote:


Between S2 and S3, which one has the softest sponge? 

They are listed as being the same, but I measured them at 46 degrees Shore O for the S2 and 44 degrees for the S3.

This is only from one sheet of each, so could be down to variation due to manufacturing tolerances. 

Many thanks Embarrassed then I'll just have to wait until it's sold in shops around, and try it


Posted By: nathanso
Date Posted: 03/25/2022 at 12:37pm
What is the best replacement for TSP SpinPips Blue?

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Posted By: kim_taek_soo
Date Posted: 03/27/2022 at 7:53pm
The SpinPips series is pretty unique among Japanese short pips because all SpinPips topsheets are "cooked." Cooked (i.e., not translucent) topsheets are the norm for Chinese-made short pips but not Japanese-made and ESN short pips. If you want to replace SpinPips Blue, it probably makes sense to look at its successor, SpinPips D2, which is made in China. I'm sorry I can't really comment on D2 beyond that, as I haven't tried it yet.

Two short pips I have tried that feel similar to SpinPips Blue are Mizuno Booster SA and Yasaka Spinate. Both have strong emphasis on spin, but are not as fast and aggressive as VO>102, Impartial XS, and Rakza PO. Both Boster SA and Spinate have horizontally aligned trapezoidal pips, same as SpinPips Blue. In terms of sponge hardness, I think Spinate is close to SpinPips Blue. I remember Booster SA feeling harder.

Another possible option is Tuttle Summer 3C, which has a cooked topsheet and good spin, but it's noticeably slower than Booster SA and Spinate.

Hope you can find something you like


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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/28/2022 at 1:15am
Originally posted by kim_taek_soo kim_taek_soo wrote:

The SpinPips series is pretty unique among Japanese short pips because all SpinPips topsheets are "cooked." Cooked (i.e., not translucent) topsheets are the norm for Chinese-made short pips but not Japanese-made and ESN short pips. If you want to replace SpinPips Blue, it probably makes sense to look at its successor, SpinPips D2, which is made in China. I'm sorry I can't really comment on D2 beyond that, as I haven't tried it yet.

Two short pips I have tried that feel similar to SpinPips Blue are Mizuno Booster SA and Yasaka Spinate. Both have strong emphasis on spin, but are not as fast and aggressive as VO>102, Impartial XS, and Rakza PO. Both Boster SA and Spinate have horizontally aligned trapezoidal pips, same as SpinPips Blue. In terms of sponge hardness, I think Spinate is close to SpinPips Blue. I remember Booster SA feeling harder.

Another possible option is Tuttle Summer 3C, which has a cooked topsheet and good spin, but it's noticeably slower than Booster SA and Spinate.

Hope you can 

find something you like

I m not sure if the S1 is like a boosted spectol or spectol 21?


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 03/28/2022 at 1:49pm
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by kim_taek_soo kim_taek_soo wrote:

The SpinPips series is pretty unique among Japanese short pips because all SpinPips topsheets are "cooked." Cooked (i.e., not translucent) topsheets are the norm for Chinese-made short pips but not Japanese-made and ESN short pips. If you want to replace SpinPips Blue, it probably makes sense to look at its successor, SpinPips D2, which is made in China. I'm sorry I can't really comment on D2 beyond that, as I haven't tried it yet.

Two short pips I have tried that feel similar to SpinPips Blue are Mizuno Booster SA and Yasaka Spinate. Both have strong emphasis on spin, but are not as fast and aggressive as VO>102, Impartial XS, and Rakza PO. Both Boster SA and Spinate have horizontally aligned trapezoidal pips, same as SpinPips Blue. In terms of sponge hardness, I think Spinate is close to SpinPips Blue. I remember Booster SA feeling harder.

Another possible option is Tuttle Summer 3C, which has a cooked topsheet and good spin, but it's noticeably slower than Booster SA and Spinate.

Hope you can 

find something you like

I m not sure if the S1 is like a boosted spectol or spectol 21?


S1 = Regular Spectol
S2 = Spectol with high tension sponge
S3 = Spectol with taller pips, different sponge as well (might be spectol red sponge)


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Posted By: kim_taek_soo
Date Posted: 03/31/2022 at 12:23am
Sorry, I have not tried the S1 either, so I can't compare it to the other Spectols. Victas markets it as an exact copy of the original Spectol, so I take that to mean no tension or factory booster/tuning. This makes sense considering the original Spectol (the one with the green and white package) is essentially the Sriver or Mark V of short pips. It's so successful, they would be stupid to ever stop selling it.

S2 and S3 are interesting, although I can't say I like either of them very much. S2 is indeed a high-tension Spectol. It keeps the same topsheet as the classic Spectol but the sponge is much springier. To me it feels uncontrollable, even on an all-wood blade. S3 is a slightly trickier/more deceptive version of Spectol. From what I can tell, the pips are not actually taller, but they are narrower (at least the tops are narrower, not sure about the bases) and there are more pips per square inch compared to the other Spectols. This gives more variety on passive shots (sometimes spin, sometimes dead ball) but it makes powerful hits and counters more difficult. A little more control than S2, but not much. I only tried them in 2.0 and 1.6, maybe MAX sponge would be a different story.


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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 06/27/2022 at 4:50pm
Any updates on the Spectol S1 or Spinpips D2?
I have just ordered a sheet of both in 2.0mm for bh.
Been using kieler for 2 years but i want to go back to short pimples I think for a bit more attacking prospects!


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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 06/28/2022 at 1:27pm
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:


How are S3 and S2 blocking spinny loops? Blue almost has no  knuckleballs on 1.8mm..max spectol blue is harmless.

S3 in 2.0mm is very similar to block with to Blue in 1.8mm and might even disrupt/reduce the incoming spin slightly more. 

S2 is easy to control when blocking, but gives a less awkward/flat return.

How about the S1?


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 08/12/2022 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

The S2 was slightly heavier and harder at 43g and 46 degrees Shore O, The S3 was 40g and 44 degrees Shore O.

The S2 has an orange sponge which seems to soak up glue a bit more than the S3.

The S3 sponge looks very similar to TSP Spectol Red, but is closer in hardness to Spectol Blue.

The top sheets for both are a slightly darker red colour and look slightly less matt/more shiny, very similar to Nittaku Sonic AR.

When bouncing a ball, S2 feels very similar to Spectol blue.

It is very difficult to tell without actually playing, but doing some spin tests, it feels like S2 has a similar amount of grip to Spectol Red/Blue, possibly very slightly less.

S3 feels like it has less grip, but until I actually play with them, I don't know for sure.
Somebody has tried S1 if  it plays the same as old spectol?


Posted By: ludo
Date Posted: 09/25/2022 at 3:45pm
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Somebody has tried S1 if  it plays the same as old spectol?

Tested S1 in 1.6mm and it is extremely similar to TSP Spectol besides the thickness. Maybe softer in feel but not as much as TSP Spectol 21 (which is my favorite of all the Spectol) (btw, I chop with Spectol 21 on BH).

For those looking for info about S1, S2 and S3, I found this article and compares it to the original Spectol (TSP 20082):

http://m.dku51.com/article-12042.html" rel="nofollow - http://m.dku51.com/article-12042.html


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 01/28/2024 at 3:02am
I've purchased a couple of sheets of S3 in blue, which has just been released. I've only seen it for sale at Iruiru so far.
The top sheet has a more matt/cooked appearance than the sheets I have in red. 
After using it for a few weeks, I'm convinced it plays closer to the TSP Spectol Red I used to use than the S3 in red does.  


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 01/28/2024 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

I've purchased a couple of sheets of S3 in blue, which has just been released. I've only seen it for sale at Iruiru so far.
The top sheet has a more matt/cooked appearance than the sheets I have in red. 
After using it for a few weeks, I'm convinced it plays closer to the TSP Spectol Red I used to use than the S3 in red does.  

I never had sucess playing with red maybe because I played on FH. I like better spectol Blue but I think many want the old spectol but S1 is not the same as old spectol.


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 01/29/2024 at 3:39pm
Tried S3...it was very fast and had a sinking effect, but it was not easy to play with for me. I use short pips on FH, so gave the rubber to a friend of mine that uses it on his BH. He plays well with it, and it is definitely more deceptive than some other short pips. 
I have played with Victas 102 many times over the years, and decided to order another sheet recently. This time I ordered 2.0 instead of 1.8 and I don't know if they have changed anything or not, but this rubber curled up out of the package more than any I've ordered before. This rubber also is louder than any short pipts I've played with. It definitely has a sound like it's been speed-glued. It's softer than I remember, but I like it so I'll use it for now. I suspect Spectol Red and Blue made it to the Victas "S" series. I didn't care for Red or Blue nor S3. It's pretty hard to beat Victas 102 if you want a good pips out for attacking and spin. If something for BH that is a little stranger then try S3.


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Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade
Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 01/30/2024 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

Tried S3...it was very fast and had a sinking effect, but it was not easy to play with for me. I use short pips on FH, so gave the rubber to a friend of mine that uses it on his BH. He plays well with it, and it is definitely more deceptive than some other short pips. 
I have played with Victas 102 many times over the years, and decided to order another sheet recently. This time I ordered 2.0 instead of 1.8 and I don't know if they have changed anything or not, but this rubber curled up out of the package more than any I've ordered before. This rubber also is louder than any short pipts I've played with. It definitely has a sound like it's been speed-glued. It's softer than I remember, but I like it so I'll use it for now. I suspect Spectol Red and Blue made it to the Victas "S" series. I didn't care for Red or Blue nor S3. It's pretty hard to beat Victas 102 if you want a good pips out for attacking and spin. If something for BH that is a little stranger then try S3.

Dont you find 102 2mm harder for blocking? Have you tried Tibhars speedy soft xd dtects?


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 01/31/2024 at 2:39am
Yes. I’ve tried Tibhars speedy dtecs and didn’t like it at all. Don’t remember exactly why, but I didn’t like them at all. They were fast and as I seem to recall they had a high throw angle. I block with 102 pretty good, especially in 2.0

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Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade
Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: TwiddleDee
Date Posted: 02/01/2024 at 7:09pm
Does Victas make a rubber that plays similar to TSP Super Spin Pips 21 ?


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/02/2024 at 12:01am
Originally posted by TwiddleDee TwiddleDee wrote:

Does Victas make a rubber that plays similar to TSP Super Spin Pips 21 ?

D1 must be similar to SSP21 but they say that S1 is the same as old spectol that I m sure its not true.


Posted By: TwiddleDee
Date Posted: 02/02/2024 at 3:10pm
I've tried more than my share of short pips on my forehand. SSP21 seems to have the perfect balance, and has a good sink effect.


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/05/2024 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by TwiddleDee TwiddleDee wrote:

I've tried more than my share of short pips on my forehand. SSP21 seems to have the perfect balance, and has a good sink effect.

Anybody tried Firestorm green ?



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