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Topic: Warning! Faked DHS W968
Posted By: [email protected]
Subject: Warning! Faked DHS W968
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 1:57pm
Just bought a faked W968 on eBay, and also saw it posted on our forum. Please careful. I am now asking my money back!

The seller said this is bought from Prott.vip. I know they sell faked rackets

Louie




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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 2:44pm
The printing on authentic is in the middle of the paddle. While faked one is misaligned. Quite a lot of faked one has been found in China with such misaligned printing. This is cause by cheap Laser engraving machine which you can buy with only a few hundred dollars. 

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W968 owned by China National Team Player


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 3:06pm
Originally posted by Louie@Miramar [email protected] wrote:

The printing on authentic is in the middle of the paddle. While faked one is misaligned. Quite a lot of faked one has been found in China with such misaligned printing. This is cause by cheap Laser engraving machine which you can buy with only a few hundred dollars. 
And the separation between the first 4 digits and the rest is smaller in the fake one.


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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 3:32pm
I have even saw the video regarding how their make the faked lettering/printing/engraving on the handle. Very simple, just like using a soldering iron, you can see smoke from the handle when engraving.

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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 5:46pm
Everyone, that's my blade. It is not fake.
I posted it here too.
I have been here longer than you and been selling here
I am offering you to meet me and give you your money back in person.
Please do not make accusation. I stand by my blades that I sell here.
I gave you pictures of other 2016 blades and check their letters as well.


Here is my N301, is it fake too?




Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 5:50pm
Here is the original thread.
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/dhs-w968-2016-national-n301-2016_topic90029.html?KW=" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/dhs-w968-2016-national-n301-2016_topic90029.html?KW=

I stand by stuff I sell. I gave you my phone number, I can give you my address, I can meet you in person. I'll refund you, don't you worry. Just don't make false accusations...

Many members here can vouch for me.

Whichever way you want, I'll refund you, don't worry, Zhu

My ebay account is also dual700. Please check my feedback.


Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 5:55pm
It is faked. 
I have friends in China identified that is faked. The letter is misaligned due to poor printing quality by cheap Laser engraving machine. It is not your fault, I just know the owner of the website, he is in Shenzhen, China. 

W968 is very expensive so there are many faked. 


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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 5:59pm
Sure, if you think it is fake, it is fake.
You could've contacted me first, instead of opening a case with ebay and here.
I have all intention to refund you, I don't want to ruin my reputation.
Now, how would you like to return it for refund?

Like I said, I am going to Legoland with my family this Monday, we can meet there since you live in SD.

Whatever you like. You have my cellphone, you have my address too.

Oh, here is my feedback. Just in case
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-dual700_topic35049.html?KW=" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-dual700_topic35049.html?KW=


Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 6:03pm
I have find the owner of the prott.vip this passing week, he even don't show his picture on social media. I have forward his social media picture to you through PM. 

It is not your fault, such fake industrial in China is huge and they are the ones to be blamed. 


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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 6:06pm
Why don't you do a search on the forum about prott since you've been here less than 1 month? Big smile


Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 6:09pm
I play ping pang from 1980s, I am from China so I don't visit forum a lot. But my friends and I in China know ping pang, especially faked ping pang very well. 

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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 6:12pm
Good for you, I played since 80s too and I stopped for a while.
The pictures on Ebay was very clear and you still bought it if you are so good recognizing fake product Big smile
Anyway, done deal, once I get it, I will refund you, then you can close your case on Ebay


Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 6:21pm
After I bought it, I checked it with my friends in China, and they provide me the picture which I posted on this forum, which I marked "Faked". 

One argument is the anti fake hologram. Actually Chinese started to make hologram icons for anti fake purpose from 1993, at that time, very few company can make hologram file so it is anti fake. After few years there are many company in China can make hologram film, they are fighting for business, so they are making hologram for faked products. 



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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 6:24pm
All the DHS stuff were checked out here:
http://www.dhs-sports.com/search.shtml" rel="nofollow - http://www.dhs-sports.com/search.shtml

Not from some he says she says.
Anyway, I am done arguing here. Please send it back, you will get your refund and close your ebay case


Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 6:30pm
FYI: I have provided paid return label sent via Ebay. Please pack it carefully. Thanks


Posted By: ocvillager
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 7:13pm
as far as we know, DUAL700 is a nice guy. He’s been selling tons of stuff and everyone was happy about it. He does not sell for money. Most of the time, he sells for friends all over the clubs.

While I don’t know much about DHS stuff but I do know Dual700 is not certainly that type of person. He offered you for full refund if there is a misunderstanding or mistake. I think you should resolve it respectively 


Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 07/02/2021 at 10:42pm
I fully agree with you. When I was communicate with him, he is so nice and it is quite easy to agree. I am not blaming him. The skills in China to make faked stuff, like drawing, China, Jade are so amazing that even expert can not tell. 
So can a person out of China get the knowledge to identify the faked one? No. 
People in China are used to faked stuff and are all trained to handle that, that is why in western countries, people has no sense of anti-fake. 



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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/03/2021 at 12:09am
Originally posted by Louie@Miramar [email protected] wrote:

I fully agree with you. When I was communicate with him, he is so nice and it is quite easy to agree. I am not blaming him. The skills in China to make faked stuff, like drawing, China, Jade are so amazing that even expert can not tell. 
So can a person out of China get the knowledge to identify the faked one? No. 
People in China are used to faked stuff and are all trained to handle that, that is why in western countries, people has no sense of anti-fake. 

Like I told you, instead of opening the case on Ebay and here, you could've contact me first.
To tell you the truth, the 4 W968 were purchased from #1 coach in USA. I respect her so much, I did not want to tell you where they were bought from.
She got Olympic gold medalist. Enough said. Just send me the blade, I will refund you. Period.

I will never doubt anything we buy from her. Ever. All serial numbers from the holograms checked out. Enough said. Send it back !!!


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 07/03/2021 at 4:05am
I'm happy you have solved this misunderstood Thumbs Up

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Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 07/03/2021 at 8:49am
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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 07/03/2021 at 10:43pm
Faked for sure!

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W968 owned by China National Team Player


Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 07/03/2021 at 10:49pm
I am not blaming a person, I am blaming the fake industry. Look at the first two pictures  posted, both are marked in 201803, totally different letter. 
Again and again, I said such fake business in China is a big industry, from wood, icon, print, it is such a mature industry, so people in China really pay lot of attention on this.
But in the US, people are get used to authentic things and totally no immune to faked things. 
So that is why I don't want to blame people who bought faked products.

One important thing, W968 is very expensive even in China, so don't try to buy cheap W968 with discount. I know at least one person who make faked W968, like authentic. 


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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/03/2021 at 11:31pm
Wow, still talking about this, zhu? LOL

You guys be the judge.
Purchased from #1 coach in USA who won olympic gold medal.
Do you think she will sell fake blades to her club members?

Sold by 12 year old member here.. You think I am so naive that can't spot a fake blade?
Bought by a 1 month N00b here who said his friend in China thatbit is fake? LOL

All the pictures I sent you, for the older W968s from 2015 and 2016.. All have the same lettering style.

You dont know what you are talking about, period.

Stop adding fuel to this topic. Did you send it yet?

I cant wait to refund you so you can shut up. Big smile



Posted By: LNH
Date Posted: 07/04/2021 at 12:21am
One of your 2016 edition W968 Serial #95 happen to be one of my collection....bought the blade from a friend afew years ago...The blade is absolutely genuine and legit!!! 


Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/04/2021 at 1:04am
Originally posted by LNH LNH wrote:

One of your 2016 edition W968 Serial #95 happen to be one of my collection....bought the blade from a friend afew years ago...The blade is absolutely genuine and legit!!! 

Thank you, but those were not mine. I was showing the OP that the W968s produced in 2014, 2015, 2016 were all printed like these..Smile

He posted the W968 produced in 2018, which has different fonts.

We can search on the internet for all 2016 W968, they were printed just like that..
I am well aware of the fakes on the aliexpress, etc... that's why we always get them from the club owner... ex CNT, Olympic Gold Medalist, US #1 coach Clap


Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/04/2021 at 12:26pm
Here is the last FAKE Big smile W968, bought at the same time, same place as the other 2 that I sold.
The holograms were all checked out upon the purchase, so here is the last one's hologram.
Signed by ML himself in 2019 when CNT came here in Los Angeles.








Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 07/04/2021 at 12:28pm
Wow nice Collection 👍

Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Here is the last FAKE Big smile W968, bought at the same time, same place as the other 2 that I sold.
The holograms were all checked out upon the purchase, so here is the last one's hologram.
Signed by ML himself in 2019 when CNT came here in Los Angeles.








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Posted By: munai
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 4:16am
hello 

I am a collector from China.  

before i read thread here .i have already seen these pics  in our local collectors' chatting group .someone showed the pics and asked which one is authentic. the answer is different . the first blade is faked 100%. the 2nd one is unknown.

here is the truth you may want to know:
1, there is no official standard to tell whether it is authentic W968(or other models) or fake . the Sticker of DHS only tells the blade is made by DHS ,but not tells it is DHS W968.
2,DHS sticker is easy to buy without blade. the cost is pretty low. what an irony it is.
3,  you may say there is official version W968 . the other irony is  that official version W968 is in lower quality (from looking of wood grain and feedback of players) 
4, I have been in one "authentic blades"reseller's house and seen piles of boxed unused DHS 968 with so-called-authentic looking and letters . I wonder how many pieces of this model was produced in a year. I know at least four big same-kind resellers. so the estimate number is easy to exceed one thousand each year. 

why there are so many blades in the market? 
do u still think it is rare and collectable ? 


   






Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 7:26pm
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Posted By: munai
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

@munai, which picture are you referring to? The one with the three other blades (109, 68, and 95)? You're saying 109 is fake? What about the blade that was actually shipped #52?

This reminds me of a http://mytabletennis.net/forum/identify-fake-dhs-national-blade-eg-w997_topic72548_page1.html" rel="nofollow - thread from 2015 .  

331-1 is faked


Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 07/07/2021 at 2:41am
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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 07/07/2021 at 3:52am
The moral of this story: Buy BTY and not DHS: much more easy to find out a fake BTY blade than a fake DHS blade :))

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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/07/2021 at 10:59am
Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Originally posted by munai munai wrote:

Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

@munai, which picture are you referring to? The one with the three other blades (109, 68, and 95)? You're saying 109 is fake? What about the blade that was actually shipped #52?

This reminds me of a http://mytabletennis.net/forum/identify-fake-dhs-national-blade-eg-w997_topic72548_page1.html" rel="nofollow - thread from 2015 .  

331-1 is faked


Here's my opinion but before I write it...
Disclaimer: I do not have any inside information on DHS equipment, just what I read online... and that's not saying much.

Dual700's blades for sale from 2016 which are 109, 68, 95 (the one from LNH), and 52 (the one he sold to Louie) are all legit.  The one with Ma Long's signature 92 is also legit.  I invite all of you "DHS experts" to prove me wrong.  

I also have an opinion of "DHS experts" but I'll save that for another day.  Dual, good luck with your sale buddy and I hope you get the 52 back from Louie.

Thank you buddy, the 109, 68, 95 are not mine, I posted there to show to OP that all the 2016s have the same fonts.. 52 and 92 are mine..
What do you think of my N301?
Thanks


Posted By: munai
Date Posted: 07/07/2021 at 8:43pm
legit ? how to judge a blade is made by DHS ?

by pasting this stamp on the handle ?  i can have a lot :)





Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 07/09/2021 at 6:19am
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Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 07/09/2021 at 7:22am
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Posted By: xujinjiang99
Date Posted: 07/09/2021 at 12:18pm
Moral of the story is "don't buy specially made". 

If you have been into pingpong for at least a few years, you should be able to tell a fake blade/rubber (the prevalence and quality of Chinese counterfeits are way over stated on internet). 

You buy a DHS, you get a DHS, just like butterfly or any other brand. Just do NOT buy specially made or anything supposedly touched MaLong (there's no way to verify these urban legends).


Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 07/18/2021 at 8:42am
wow this thread gives a lot information, it sad that it is in "buy and sell" category


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 07/18/2021 at 3:10pm
Good idea andrej, let's ask the mods about moving it or not to the equipment section just by using the report button in the drop down menu on the top/right of the post. I am not sure about the results, it could be seen as information to secure the potential buyers in the FS section too. Other will see the equipment section more suited to host that info. Stay tuned.

Don't worry we'll find a solution and in the worst case, we could opt for shared custody: we write a script that move the thread to the FS section on all weekends and in the equipment section the rest of the time; switch every month. Big smile






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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 07/18/2021 at 3:22pm
It might be more useful sticky this thread and keep it in FS.  That way people will see it longer.  What do you think?


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 07/18/2021 at 3:53pm
Yes, after all it's also about buyers' protection.

Frankly, if I am looking for info about the W968, I will bump in that thread soonner or later wherever it is :)

Congrats to the OP who got pinned!!! Clap LOL


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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/21/2021 at 12:11pm
968 #3 review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eua1XfrLlLg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eua1XfrLlLg

Munai, what do you think of my #52, #92, and my N301?

Thanks


Posted By: Locvoh1
Date Posted: 07/22/2021 at 12:07pm
Gee...!
This is none of my business. I am not a fan of DHS stuffs, but allow me to say this.
 I know Dual007 personally, bought at least one Butter blade from him in the past.
He is not the kind of guy who will sell or resell blade that he knows is fake.
Secondly, you guys sound like you all know much about DHS blades and long-timed PP players, did you try to play a "fake" one Versus a "real"  one to feel/ see the differences? if you cannot tell the differences when you use the blades what the point of telling fake or real.  you have to give the fakers credits bc they are made so good that you can't tell for sure which is fake, which is real by looking and even playing them. After all,  they are all "made in China".



Posted By: Robin.w
Date Posted: 07/22/2021 at 1:10pm
 The first one looks like a fake to me and the second looks more authentic . What a ironic world of Dhs
Originally posted by Louie@Miramar [email protected] wrote:

Just bought a faked W968 on eBay, and also saw it posted on our forum. Please careful. I am now asking my money back!

The seller said this is bought from Prott.vip. I know they sell faked rackets

Louie



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Posted By: godspeedzou
Date Posted: 07/23/2021 at 4:02am
Agree with Robin. The 2nd one looks more close to what ML used.
For prott.vip, I bought a lot of rubbers (special or commercial) and some cheap clothes. All are good.


Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 07/31/2021 at 11:10am
Out of curiosity, what's the difference between W968 and HL5?

Here is how mine look like. Does it look fake or real?

https://imgur.com/a/fAI9rwb" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/a/fAI9rwb

P.S.

I honestly don't care if it is fake, it plays so well, there is no way I am changing it :)


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 07/31/2021 at 11:16am
I think the lesson learned here is that if you are not sure whether it is authentic or now from your knowledge /experience, do not buy the specially made blade.

A lot of us EJs here can judge from the photos whether the blade is authentic or not, but it is not the case for many others.


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/04/2021 at 7:34pm
Given that there seems to be considerable doubt as to which one is fake, I have un-stickied the thread.  No criticism to anybody who posted here intended!!   It's just that things may not be as clear as it seemed awhile back now that more people have weighed in.



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