He Zhi Wen losing to an amateur xD
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Topic: He Zhi Wen losing to an amateur xD
Posted By: blahness
Subject: He Zhi Wen losing to an amateur xD
Date Posted: 07/04/2021 at 8:01pm
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[] Found it too funny not to share
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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 1:27am
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Not used anymore playing Vs his own style :)) ------------- Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 4:02am
Lol well technically the amateur guy is using some long pips which thrown him off his game so bad haha. Usually it's He Zhi Wen making his opponents look dumb  ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
kakapo wrote:Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 4:07am
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This video just goes to show it is impossible to tell someone's level from just watching a match. When two players are close in level, they can look quite bad playing each other. Things get messy. I think that is what is going on here. |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 4:16am
Ha ha. It really seems so. Btw, I can't recall seeing even one of the famous HZW long diagonal serves. On the other hand his opponent was simply terrific. ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 4:28am
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@blahness. While watching I asked myself several times what rubber he is using, but frankly never thought of LP cause it looked so damn fast ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: ghostzen
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 8:03am
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looks a bit like inverted ?....to be honest . weird old game mind |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 10:03am
| another black mark against TT as a serious sport |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 11:19am
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That's nothing astonishing. It's quite usual in China indeed, since there are thousands senior players full-time dedicated that could beat any national champion.... This is even more common on penhonders/pips out at +55y.o.
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 2:58pm
) but it does not work well for TT to attract new audience or participants
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Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 2:59pm
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I mean............................. if the other guy was such an amateur he would not be playing a tournament match against He Zhi Wen.
he may not be famous but he's no amateur. to barely receive hzw's serves you need to be very high level.
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 3:47pm
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"But I thought I already addressed it:- amateurs play for themselves. Only pros play for audience. At "this point in time He Zhewen is no longer a pro (or in between). And in between TT events don;t attract 1000s of spectataors. In fact even pro events won't have a significant increase in spectators even if they went to all using just only spinny inverted. That is a myth & disinformation". not really the point of the discussion, but I don't think pros largely play for the audience unless it does not interfere with their goal which should be winning the match. my discussion is how TT looks to a potential fan / player - and this video won't win converts. BTW, don't know what the tournament is or the event, but it looks of good size.
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 5:35pm
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"This match ( a smaller sized event) won't win any converts but quick third ball & fifth ball attacks (and misses) between 2 glued up two winger loopers will maximize spectator interest in much larger pro events and win billions of coverts ?" Not every match between two player of HZW's caliber would win converts but for the most part should create some interest vs this video which could only be appreciated by existing fans. |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 8:49pm
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I think a lot of ppl are very impressed by speed, which is why fast paced tennis serves, badminton smashes, and spectacular TT loopkills attract a lot of positive attention. It's not necessarily about the amount of rallies. Ryu Seung Min/Ma Lin/Xu Xin are very spectacular players and none of their games have lots of rallies. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 10:55pm
How can you say that? HZW is 59. He retired from international play in 2016. In 2019 he was playing in the French Pro B league (not the top league in France) and certainly not winning all the time. Who know how much he's been playing more recently? Also, when was the last time he played himself? 😆 This was very high level Old Guy play. Time is undefeated. I feel qualified to say that as an Old Guy myself. Not every video needs to win TT converts. Actually, someone who migh "convert" isn't likely to click on this random video narrated, it seems, by a Chinese robot. |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 07/05/2021 at 10:55pm
Not LP. They believe he was using an OX half LP or dr devil ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: thethinker
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 12:38am
| According to the commentator it's LP, and because of it HZW is afraid of serving tricky sidespin because the return would also be unpredictable. But the soft loops does look like half LP. |
Posted By: Zwill
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 4:27am
| How I love to see "disgusting style" players play against eachother. They can taste their own poison. |
Posted By: astaroyd
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 6:05am
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funny to think that many top players would actually lose against some amateurs..... they just never get to play them. they live in their little bubble where they only play "looping robots" who all seem to look like each other.
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Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 12:15pm
ya, I heard that. That was a cringeworthy comment. A first tier CNT player would afraid LP's unpredictable. Anyway, that old guy was good. HZW was left-handed, and the old guy was able to adjust. ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 12:55pm
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i must say hzw did not look very motivated. I did wonder if he was politely giving away the match, but cant be sure. Having said that his opponent showed high skill and great touch for his level The match does emphasize how important the less spectacular skills of over the table play can be. ------------- inactive dotec carbokev yin he galaxy 1 p ly FH moristo sp AX MAX bh moristo sp ax max |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 1:50pm
| I have to go "on-record" as saying that was absolutely beautiful table tennis. I could care less if someone who doesn't know anything about table tennis is not impressed. Those who are impressed with exhibition points, playing around the table, and joking play probably won't like it, but I loved it. |
Posted By: KLHfans
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 4:04pm
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His name is George Guo, the state champion in the US Michigan state few years ago. His USTTA rating is around 2262. But I saw him beat 2500 players in my club. He is currently playing in the bay area, northern CA, ICC, Swan and TTA club. He used Dr. Evil OX (no sponge) and can smash both sides with only one side of rubber. He took every ball right out of the bounce and deadly angle and he made 2000 level players look liked doesn't know how to play table tennis. You need very good footwork in order to keep up his pace. |
Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 6:11pm
Thanks for the info. Dr. Evil OX is approved hard bat rubber, so just short pips, not long or medium (I have some on one of my hard bat rackets).
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Posted By: mts388
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 8:46pm
| I watched him lose to a 2023 guy in the Spartan tournament. He is an amazing player. He moves extremely well for his age. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 9:43pm
Proof again that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/06/2021 at 9:57pm
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Honestly I felt that HZW kinda threw the match and didn't care all that much or was just tired. He only did his famed high toss serve once at 0:56 and it was an ace, then he stopped using it. Why would you not use your strongest weapon that can earn you direct points? The other hint was him just not going aggressive smashing mode against those slow, high returns. They all didnt have that much spin in them (coz of the pips) and should be sitting ducks against someone of HZW's calibre. Man none of the quality SP penholders I played would have gave up any of these opportunity balls to just go into a rally lol. They would have smacked the shit out of the ball if you give them anything remotely that high and without much spin to boot. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 07/07/2021 at 5:22am
with this very helpful info its much easier to interpret what we see and give deserved credit to George Guo. What I saw as lack of motivation can now be seen as the sort of discomfort we often see at amateur league level when a known strong player comes across a style that disrupts his timing. So I now see his fh bloopers as perfectly understandable I happen to know that last couple of years HZW has been "Has bat can coach" all over the world. He has visited our club in Ireland a few times and will be visiting again in August. When he gives these sessions he plays with the hurricane side of his racket almost all the time. Its plain that we cannot expect HZW to perform with the same ease as before but at least we can be pleased for the unique opportunity to be coached by him. He is a special guy ------------- inactive dotec carbokev yin he galaxy 1 p ly FH moristo sp AX MAX bh moristo sp ax max |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 07/07/2021 at 9:53am
Both can be true. HZW is up 8-4 in game 3 and loses! HZW looked like he knew it would be hard to win the match and didn't care. Does not take away anything from his opponent who put HZW in that position tho. Edit-I tried Dr Evil a number of years ago in OX. It is the slickest SP I have ever seen. Again the skin level to do what he did with that is impressive. I suspect massive amounts of table/practice time.
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Posted By: qpskfec
Date Posted: 07/07/2021 at 12:19pm
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It's nice for the amateur to say he beat HZW, however, without proper context, it's a largely meaningless result. Was this an exhibition? Was this the last match in a RR group where HZW had already clinched advancing? Prize money? HZW certainly didn't look like he was playing hard. |
Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 07/07/2021 at 12:54pm
the way hzw played was standard tactics for trying to deal with drevil or lp that is try to rally over the table and improve the feeling and confidence on timing with attacking against the Drevil stuff. But this time Guo took care of business too efficiently moving Hzw around too much. BTW while i am writing this Federer is losing to unknown pole Hurkasz in wimbledon quarters.currently 2 sets down! ------------- inactive dotec carbokev yin he galaxy 1 p ly FH moristo sp AX MAX bh moristo sp ax max |
Posted By: KLHfans
Date Posted: 07/09/2021 at 3:04pm
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Hi: The youtube video is showing the
Asian Veteran Championship hosted in China few years ago. The match was the Over-50 final between He vs. Guo. Guo upset He in the final to claim the champion for that age group division. klhfans |
Posted By: banJunkRubbers
Date Posted: 07/11/2021 at 3:17pm
| I played this guy in a tournament a couple years back, and he made me look live I've never played before. Super frustrating to play, but so much fun to watch. Glad this got posted. |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 07/12/2021 at 4:24am
Huge respect to George for hitting backhands like Toshio Tasaki while playing hardbat. And judging from the "tonk" sound of his racket, that is one stiff blade so great display of control and touch. But, I will guess that the "real" matches happened after the tournament, just like in Color of Money. |
Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 07/13/2021 at 6:23am
18th player in ranking- UNKNOWN Polish player xd |
Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 07/13/2021 at 7:38am
hi andzejgolot yes I apologise to Hurkacz fans everywhere I am not tracking the rankings as well as I should i think age is a factor ------------- inactive dotec carbokev yin he galaxy 1 p ly FH moristo sp AX MAX bh moristo sp ax max |
Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 07/13/2021 at 4:31pm
| chillout. |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 07/13/2021 at 7:33pm
I wonder if guo has played Li yuxiang , cpen SP coach from new york.
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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 07/14/2021 at 6:09am
PPP, I am with you on this. I also had never heard of him before. It just shows how little attention (other than the big boys) I pay to tennis these days. But I certainly won't forget him now. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: chongqinghotpot
Date Posted: 07/14/2021 at 6:40am
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played with George while living in Michigan 20 years ago. He was using regular short pips back then. His forehand hit and backhand block were very consistent but not as lethal as what have displayed in this video. Using an Ox rubber seems to have elevated his game to another level. Nevertheless, This is An unbelievable achievement for him to beat HZW regardless of the circumstances. ------------- USATT rating 2200 05Vis64 |