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Topic: USATT Ranking Lists
Posted By: Tisch
Subject: USATT Ranking Lists
Date Posted: 09/30/2021 at 11:37am
Should the various USATT ranking lists place some weight on Date Last Played (in a USATT Tournament) to prevent players from quitting such as after reaching a certain rating (like 2000)  or many other reasons ?

Because currently the various ranking lists are only based on ratings.  I think ITTF uses some method to drop players altogether when a player has not played for a while in an ITTF event.

So if you have not played in a USATT tournament recently (for say 3 or 5 or 12 months or whatever), should you be pushed down to the bottom of the ranking list & listed after players who had played recently or you will be dropped from ranking list altogether ?

These rankings can then be used for seeding players in tournaments.  If three players A & B & C with say the same exact rating or a rating window of say within 10 or 20 or whatever rating points and if one player had played most recently (within past 3 or 6 or 12 months or whatever) will be top seed among these three. The next most recently played will be the second seeding of all three.

In fact the Tournament Directors don't even need the USATT to do this. They can do this on their own based on USATT ratings page data for "Date Last Played" Data for all those entered in their tournament  

Your rating is not (& should not be) effected in anyway

There may be other methods for rewarding players who play more often in more USATT tournaments, but without punishing players who play less or quit.

Both "favorite searches" option and lists created by custom search on USATT ratings page can be used to show these rankings.

On the flipside, USATT should think of methods  to bring back players who quit.

BTW, the really bad move by USATT (Virginia Sung) to drop non-members from ratings page is really not working.  You can find an approximate rating (or calculate)  of a former USATT member by looking at detailed results of current members who played that former member, though USATT puts a symbol to hide the rating of former-member.  Also when you drop members it looks like USATT has fewer members and it actually makes USATT look bad.  And another thing > there is also a back door way to unofficially officially (LOL)   get your last official USATT rating. 
   IMO USATT should bring back ratings (and even results)  of all ex-members all the way back to when the ratings started (60's ? 70's ? ) and show them in the ratings database.  I volunteer Vince64 to provide the data.    

Because you or USATT cannot hide your ratings or results . The truth is out there in print,  if not on the web

  





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Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 10/02/2021 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by Tisch Tisch wrote:

Should the various USATT ranking lists place some weight on Date Last Played (in a USATT Tournament) to prevent players from quitting such as after reaching a certain rating (like 2000)  or many other reasons ?

Because currently the various ranking lists are only based on ratings.  I think ITTF uses some method to drop players altogether when a player has not played for a while in an ITTF event.

So if you have not played in a USATT tournament recently (for say 3 or 5 or 12 months or whatever), should you be pushed down to the bottom of the ranking list & listed after players who had played recently or you will be dropped from ranking list altogether ?

These rankings can then be used for seeding players in tournaments.  If three players A & B & C with say the same exact rating or a rating window of say within 10 or 20 or whatever rating points and if one player had played most recently (within past 3 or 6 or 12 months or whatever) will be top seed among these three. The next most recently played will be the second seeding of all three.

In fact the Tournament Directors don't even need the USATT to do this. They can do this on their own based on USATT ratings page data for "Date Last Played" Data for all those entered in their tournament  

Your rating is not (& should not be) effected in anyway

There may be other methods for rewarding players who play more often in more USATT tournaments, but without punishing players who play less or quit.

Both "favorite searches" option and lists created by custom search on USATT ratings page can be used to show these rankings.

On the flipside, USATT should think of methods  to bring back players who quit.

BTW, the really bad move by USATT (Virginia Sung) to drop non-members from ratings page is really not working.  You can find an approximate rating (or calculate)  of a former USATT member by looking at detailed results of current members who played that former member, though USATT puts a symbol to hide the rating of former-member.  Also when you drop members it looks like USATT has fewer members and it actually makes USATT look bad.  And another thing > there is also a back door way to unofficially officially (LOL)   get your last official USATT rating. 
   IMO USATT should bring back ratings (and even results)  of all ex-members all the way back to when the ratings started (60's ? 70's ? ) and show them in the ratings database.  I volunteer Vince64 to provide the data.    

Because you or USATT cannot hide your ratings or results . The truth is out there in print,  if not on the web

  


I just saw this. Official USTTA/USATT ratings started in 1974. Before that different regions of the U.S. had their own versions of ratings. Current ratings go back 1994 online when NATT took over the processing of ratings for USATT. The reason ratings only go back to 1994 instead of 1974 is when NATT took over ratings the usatt rating  chairmen at the time supposedly refused to turn over the rating data base to NATT. USATT even voted to offer 5000.00 for the person to supply the data base. To the best of my knowledge NATT never got the data base. So other than the rating lists that are in the old Table Tennis Topics/Spin magazines there is nothing online pre 1974.


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