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Topic: 2021 WTTC Houston USA Nov. 23-29
Posted By: kindof99
Subject: 2021 WTTC Houston USA Nov. 23-29
Date Posted: 10/10/2021 at 9:30pm
It is about time to start this thread with the WTTC in about one and a half month.

Maybe members here that will watch the tournament can meet with each other somehow.

Who will win the men and women titles? ML for the fourth time? CM to complete her grand slam? 


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/12/2021 at 5:21pm
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

It is about time to start this thread with the WTTC in about one and a half month.

Maybe members here that will watch the tournament can meet with each other somehow.

Who will win the men and women titles? ML for the fourth time? CM to complete her grand slam? 

Will see you there for sure - maybe we can grab dinner sometime together.  Will take a miracle for CM or anyone else other than maybe Sun Yingsha to beat Wang Manyu.

On the men's side, it all depends on the draw but the usual suspects -> ML, FZD, LJK,WCQ, and XX or whoever replaces him.

I really hope ML plays though.  And I hope the Chinese team makes it.  Crazier things have (not) happened.


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 10/12/2021 at 6:20pm
I don't think CNT will miss the WTTC. They treat WTTC much more seriously than world cup, WTT,  grand final. opens event. 

The ML in the china super league condition will surely win him the fourth championship if he will play.

XX, LGY, and LSW may not play event in the single events. I think China might give one or two spots to the young players..


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 10/12/2021 at 6:23pm
WMY and ML are the two that did not lose a match in the super league. And these two probably have the highest chance to win the championships. 

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/12/2021 at 6:38pm
Remember Schlager 2003? I am predicting Gauzy 2021, mark my words!

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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 10/12/2021 at 7:32pm
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Remember Schlager 2003? I am predicting Gauzy 2021, mark my words!

Patriotism blinds you?  Smile


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/12/2021 at 8:02pm
I think he is so serious and he has beaten the French arrogance that limits people's achievements. He is ripe for supreme success, he is peaking at the right time, all things are falling into place like in a sweet dream where everything works no matter how hard we try to screw up!

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/13/2021 at 8:49am
Is there a preferred hotel for the event?  Curious.

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/13/2021 at 2:43pm
I don't know if there is a preferred hotel.  Here are some things to consider though.  The event is downtown, at the Convention Center.  There are a bunch of really nice hotels within walking distance or at least a very short car ride but the downside is that they are expensive.  Nice, but expensive.  So it depends a bit on your budget.  If you are concerned about costs, then it would be better to NOT stay downtown, and to take an Uber or something to the venue each day from a more affordable hotel.

As for "preferred hotels", before Covid I used to attend a couple of scientific meetings each year that were usually held at similar sorts of convention centers (for example in Philly, San Diego, Atlanta, DC, Miami, etc, etc.)  The scientific organizations sponsoring the meetings would always make "deals" with preferred hotels.  At least a couple of times, I discovered that the prices were actually GREATER than the usual prices!  Now I have no idea whether or not there is a preferred hotel for this event and if there is, whether that would be the situation.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/13/2021 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Remember Schlager 2003? I am predicting Gauzy 2021, mark my words!


Gatien will come out of retirement and win it.  Vive la France!


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 10/13/2021 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

I think he is so serious and he has beaten the French arrogance that limits people's achievements. He is ripe for supreme success, he is peaking at the right time, all things are falling into place like in a sweet dream where everything works no matter how hard we try to screw up!


You mean like when Lebesson somehow became European champion?

I like Gauzy but unfortunately he doesn't seem to be at his best currently. He may have "peaked" back when he beat Xu Xin.


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 10/13/2021 at 2:49pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Is there a preferred hotel for the event?  Curious.


The official hotel is the Hilton Americas (connected to the convention center).


Posted By: Tisch
Date Posted: 10/13/2021 at 5:48pm
https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5298/2021-world-championships/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5298/2021-world-championships/

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Schedule
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Ding Ning is  listed as qualified in Singles & as Fan Zhendong's partner in Mixed Double ? I thought she retired. If she is qualified why wouldn't she play ? If she does not play, is she going to be replaced by the next highest ranked Chinese player in Singles ? Then what happens in Mixed Doubles (who will be Fan Z's partner or he won't be able to play at all without Ding Ning ?)  

What happened when playes drop out ? Are players down the line in ranking list replacing them or next highest in that country ? ?
  
Are there any daily player-spectator meetups & parties ? Which clubs will the players be hanging out ? Are there any spectator-player challenge money-matches ?   LOL


Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 10/14/2021 at 8:30am
Is there a preferred hotel for the event?  Curious.

At the several World Championships that I've attended, there was a designated number of hotels with "convention rate" discount.  These hotels housed both the tournament athletes and all others affiliated with the tournament.

Of important note: Free transportation to and from the venue and the hotel was provided throughout the day, thus managing the transportation function well.  An arrival and departure schedule, per hotel, of the service is published.

In addition, there was a standard transportation function for the tournament participants from the main airport to the designated hotels and made available for a return to the airport when leaving.

All of this and more should be available in a packet of information provided by the tournament administration.

Thanks.


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/14/2021 at 11:30am
Hilton Americas is a very nice hotel about one or two blocks from the Convention Center in Houston  Unless they are really discounting the room rates, you would be looking at around $250/night.  




Posted By: aj_88
Date Posted: 10/14/2021 at 3:24pm
There is Embassy Suites @ 157 / night within 10 mins walking distance and also Residence Inn around 15 mins away


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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 10/22/2021 at 10:31am
Tieba users(ML's fans) react to this thread.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7584660533" rel="nofollow - https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7584660533

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= 184.8g


Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 10/22/2021 at 10:37am
hotel for 4 for the weekend came out to $334 

I booked last month 


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 10/22/2021 at 11:30am
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Tieba users(ML's fans) react to this thread.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7584660533" rel="nofollow - https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7584660533

Haha, these fans were so excited that someone predicted ML might win the 4th time..


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Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 10/23/2021 at 9:22am
Ovtcharov is out. He just posted a photo after an ankle surgery saying he's not going to participate.

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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 10/23/2021 at 10:06am
LYJ/Harimoto: Weakest Olympic bronze medalist.

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+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/23/2021 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Tieba users(ML's fans) react to this thread.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7584660533" rel="nofollow - https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7584660533

My enthusiasm made it to the TT Chinese forums, WE ARE GOING VIRAL!!! LOL 


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/23/2021 at 2:34pm
It's funny how they name FZD "Xiaopang" a.k.a "little fatty" on that forum. The "right-click-translate" function in Chrome gives enough sense to follow the discussions. 

Apparently there is "little fat" (fatty) and "big fat", I suppose "big fat" is Liang Jingkun:






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Posted By: Bardock
Date Posted: 10/23/2021 at 9:12pm
Can anyone help me with the ticketing. I got a seat for the finals on the final day. But accidently bought a morning session ticket which is 12am to 4pm. i think evening ticket is for after 5pm. I really wanna watch the mens finals. I wonder does anyone know if they play in the morning or evening session.


Posted By: denym
Date Posted: 10/24/2021 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by Bardock Bardock wrote:

Can anyone help me with the ticketing. I got a seat for the finals on the final day. But accidently bought a morning session ticket which is 12am to 4pm.

 Can you call the ticketing company & switch ? Or cancel & buy a new ticket ?

Originally posted by Bardock Bardock wrote:

i think evening ticket is for after 5pm. I really wanna watch the mens finals. I wonder does anyone know if they play in the morning or evening session.

Check the schedule posted in one of the replies above


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 4:27am
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https://weibo.com/3515112791/KEmERsh0h" rel="nofollow - https://weibo.com/3515112791/KEmERsh0h
Quote 根据《中国乒乓球协会2021年休斯敦世界乒乓球锦标赛参赛资格选拔办法》和国际乒联2021年世乒赛竞赛规程相关规定,综合考虑运动员国内外大赛成绩、对外战绩、抗压能力及兼项配对等因素,中国乒协确定世乒赛名单如下:


男单:樊振东、梁靖崑、王楚钦、林高远、周启豪

男双:樊振东/王楚钦、林高远/梁靖崑

女单:陈梦、孙颖莎、王曼昱、陈幸同、王艺迪

女双:孙颖莎/王曼昱,陈梦/钱天一

混双:王楚钦/孙颖莎,林高远/王曼昱​​​​


http://www.ctta.cn/xwzx/ppxw/2021/1025/393134.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.ctta.cn/xwzx/ppxw/2021/1025/393134.html
Quote   马龙许昕缺阵,男队面临最强挑战

  “这次世乒赛,马龙和许昕都因为自身调整等原因主动提出不参加,作为队中的绝对主力,尽管他们仍具备很强的竞争能力,尤其是马龙在奥运会获得男单、男团两枚金牌,但从老队员的实际情况出发,球队和我都表示理£并同意两人不参赛的请求。”秦志戬这样说道。


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Quote   而关于£在进行的封闭集训,李隼介绍说也会为世乒赛进行针对性训练。“世乒赛对手多、比赛强度大,技术难度比奥运会大。特别是日本新报名的队员,都具有很强的冲击力。所以我们在封闭集训的备战中,也要从难从严出发,有针对性地进行提升。”

  谈到老将刘诗雯主动提出不参加本届世乒赛,李隼在表示尊重刘诗雯选择的同时强调:“其实刘诗雯在东京奥运会周期以及刚刚结束的全运会上也都展示了不错的竞技状态,今年虽然她因为个人原因没能参赛,但我还是希望她能继续保持状态,在新的周期中,为球队、为乒乓球的发展,做出新的贡献。”


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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 8:15am
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

http://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/ssxg/2021/1025/393054.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/ssxg/2021/1025/393054.html
https://weibo.com/3515112791/KEmERsh0h" rel="nofollow - https://weibo.com/3515112791/KEmERsh0h
Quote 根据《中国乒乓球协会2021年休斯敦世界乒乓球锦标赛参赛资格选拔办法》和国际乒联2021年世乒赛竞赛规程相关规定,综合考虑运动员国内外大赛成绩、对外战绩、抗压能力及兼项配对等因素,中国乒协确定世乒赛名单如下:


男单:樊振东、梁靖崑、王楚钦、林高远、周启豪

男双:樊振东/王楚钦、林高远/梁靖崑

女单:陈梦、孙颖莎、王曼昱、陈幸同、王艺迪

女双:孙颖莎/王曼昱,陈梦/钱天一

混双:王楚钦/孙颖莎,林高远/王曼昱​​​​


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Quote   马龙许昕缺阵,男队面临最强挑战

  “这次世乒赛,马龙和许昕都因为自身调整等原因主动提出不参加,作为队中的绝对主力,尽管他们仍具备很强的竞争能力,尤其是马龙在奥运会获得男单、男团两枚金牌,但从老队员的实际情况出发,球队和我都表示理�£并同意两人不参赛的请求。”秦志戬这样说道。


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Quote   而关于�£在进行的封闭集训,李隼介绍说也会为世乒赛进行针对性训练。“世乒赛对手多、比赛强度大,技术难度比奥运会大。特别是日本新报名的队员,都具有很强的冲击力。所以我们在封闭集训的备战中,也要从难从严出发,有针对性地进行提升。”

  谈到老将刘诗雯主动提出不参加本届世乒赛,李隼在表示尊重刘诗雯选择的同时强调:“其实刘诗雯在东京奥运会周期以及刚刚结束的全运会上也都展示了不错的竞技状态,今年虽然她因为个人原因没能参赛,但我还是希望她能继续保持状态,在新的周期中,为球队、为乒乓球的发展,做出新的贡献。”

Shit.   Hope they come anyway... even if they don't play.


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BH: C1
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Posted By: reflecx
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 8:20am
Men's singles: Fan Zhendong, Liang Jingkun, Wang Chuqin, Lin Gaoyuan, Zhou Qihao
Men's Doubles: Fan Zhendong/Wang Chuqin, Lin Gaoyuan/Liang Jingkun
Women's singles: Chen Meng, Sun Yingsha, Wang Manyu, Chen Xingtong, Wang Yidi
Women's Doubles: Sun Yingsha/Wang Manyu, Chen Meng/Qian Tianyi
Mixed Doubles: Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha, Lin Gaoyuan/Wang Manyu​​​​

Ma Long and Xu Xin pulled out


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 9:13am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:


Shit.   Hope they come anyway... even if they don't play.

they won't, and opportunities to "stargaze" would probably be limited anyways. ittf still enacts fairly strict covid protocols,  players won't just be walking around the hotel or playing hall. however, best of luck to those attending.


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 10:04am
I expected that XX and LSW will not play in the WTTC, but I thought ML would still play.

It seems that LGL has determined to let FZD lead the next generation after the Olympics.


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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 10:31am
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

I expected that XX and LSW will not play in the WTTC, but I thought ML would still play.

It seems that LGL has determined to let FZD lead the next generation after the Olympics.


its official that  MA long Wont play?


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 10:42am
ML, XX, and LSW each gave an announcement that they give up the chance to play voluntarily at about the same time.

Most chinese fans don't buy that though. 


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 12:09pm
I wonder if Texas’ performance fighting COVID is a factor in their withdrawal. Texas is state #40 out of 50 in a « best response » classification, in between Tennessee and Kentucky; Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas are doing better…



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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

I wonder if Texas’ performance fighting COVID is a factor in their withdrawal. Texas is state #40 out of 50 in a « best response » classification, in between Tennessee and Kentucky; Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas are doing better…


Politics, politics, tsk, tsk, tsk...


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BH: C1
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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 12:53pm
I can't imagine the decision was based on Texas politics.


Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 1:40pm
So strange that Ma Long isn't playing.  He is playing really well as of late.  I would think he would at least make the finals if not win.  Xu Xin is probably exhausted but I would still put him at #3 on the CNT. 

Look for the CNT women to sweep everything.  On the men's side FZD will probably win but things will be more competitive without Ma Long and XX. 


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

So strange that Ma Long isn't playing.  He is playing really well as of late.  I would think he would at least make the finals if not win.  Xu Xin is probably exhausted but I would still put him at #3 on the CNT. 

Look for the CNT women to sweep everything.  On the men's side FZD will probably win but things will be more competitive without Ma Long and XX. 
I find it almost normal. 

Breaking the current GOAT record is hard, very hard. It was hard for ZJK to equalize Waldner's record (1GS + 1 WTTC). Then ML broke that with (1 GS + 2 WTTC  edit...and 1 OG). 

It is good for the CNT to always break records so if Ma Long becomes WC another time, it will take more time to break his new record.

As soon as a record is broken, a CNT imaginary rule says that the player retires from GS events to maximize the possibilities that the record will be broken again. Just a proposition.


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Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 2:54pm
The way I see it is that it's not just about FZD, but about the men's team weakness, And the transition to a New generation. The men's team without XX and ML are very far from the Strength of ML, XX and FZD and stranglehold on the Major trophies, LGY very unpredictable and unreliable, LJK only has a World tour title to his name or so, And a bit unreliable too, ZQH doesn't have no name for himself on the international stage, WCQ is still very rash.
Obviously Fans want to see the best play, but you have to consider the pressure on the coaches, the team's competitiveness and national glory is what matters most to them, not what the fans think. If they keep using ML and XX for the majors and WCQ and Co get their chances When they are almost 30 or early 30s and flounder due to not being able to shoulder the pressure, mental weakness or inexperience, everyone here will be theorizing the grace to grass of the CNT and y'all know whose jobs will be at risk.
The female team has obviously transitioned well urgently in the last year and Let's be honest even a trio of WMY, CXT, WYD are probably equals or even slight favorites against Mima, Miu and Hina. Can't say the same for LGY, LJK, WCQ against say Dima, Boll, Franziska or even Sangsu, Woojin, Yeongsik



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Posted By: denym
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 2:59pm
Originally posted by reflecx reflecx wrote:

Men's singles: Fan Zhendong, Liang Jingkun, Wang Chuqin, Lin Gaoyuan, Zhou Qihao
Men's Doubles: Fan Zhendong/Wang Chuqin, Lin Gaoyuan/Liang Jingkun
Women's singles: Chen Meng, Sun Yingsha, Wang Manyu, Chen Xingtong, Wang Yidi
Women's Doubles: Sun Yingsha/Wang Manyu, Chen Meng/Qian Tianyi
Mixed Doubles: Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha, Lin Gaoyuan/Wang Manyu​​​​

Ma Long and Xu Xin pulled out

So I don't still follow how this final player list works. ITTF gave a list of qualified 128 players for singles for example. So if someone pulls out, it would be only fair to include 129th, 130th and so on (or 65th & 66th etc in doubles) players down the list.  If a player who is 129th is not say Chinese or German but from another (small TT wise) country, then ITTF is essentially screwing that country. Especially when eveyone whines about how China totally dominates (& such as when ITTF tries to artificially manipulate the rating and ranking lists  to include non Chinese players or to make more Europeans to be at the top of the list LOL) 

Edit :- Ok I partially screwed up. While  Zhou Qihao is at #122, he may qualify but there were others from China that were ranked higher than  Zhou Qihao.  Keep in mind this is not a team championship but an individual championship and I am not sure if national associations have a right to deny players an opportunity to play if they are qualified based on current ranking 

But based on what reflecx says above (I am not sure if reflecx is right or wrong, he may be wrong), it looks like China (& probably Germany etc)  was allowed to simply substitute more players, instead of choosing the next best qualified players in the ITTF ranking list.

It sounds very fishy when 3 time champion Ma Long won't be allowed (or chose not to) defend his title.  Nobody talks about the reasons and seems like it is a secret. Very similar to Kanak Jha when he chose not to defend his title but chose to play in another 888 event when back in USA at about the same time.

I am by no means saying that these players or countries  are the only ones that this happens and I am sure it  happens in many other countries.  There was a big dispute with Manika Batra not being allowed to play for India at 2021 Asian Championships.


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 3:45pm
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

So strange that Ma Long isn't playing.  He is playing really well as of late.  I would think he would at least make the finals if not win.  Xu Xin is probably exhausted but I would still put him at #3 on the CNT. 

Look for the CNT women to sweep everything.  On the men's side FZD will probably win but things will be more competitive without Ma Long and XX. 
I find it almost normal. 

Breaking the current GOAT record is hard, very hard. It was hard for ZJK to equalize Waldner's record (1GS + 1 WTTC). Then ML broke that with (1 GS + 2 WTTC). 

It is good for the CNT to always break records so if Ma Long becomes WC another time, it will take more time to break his new record.

As soon as a record is broken, a CNT imaginary rule says that the player retires from GS events to maximize the possibilities that the record will be broken again. Just a proposition.

I think CNT see more for the next circle from now on. Only FZD is relatively reliable in the next circle (generation). All other young players do need more international chances to get mature. If CNT gives ML more chances to play, I think he will breaking records. But that is china national team, they  do not really care about individual's fame.


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 3:47pm
Now, the top three players of CNT are FZD, LJK, and WCQ as suggested by the list order.

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Posted By: denym
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Breaking the current GOAT record is hard, very hard. It was hard for ZJK to equalize Waldner's record (1GS + 1 WTTC). Then ML broke that with (1 GS + 2 WTTC). 


You have the right to Google & correct your statistics  Ouch 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Table_Tennis_Championships_medalists" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Table_Tennis_Championships_medalists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_table_tennis" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_table_tennis

I know Wikipedia screws up sometimes but these 2 lists seem reasonably accurate.





Posted By: reflecx
Date Posted: 10/25/2021 at 10:49pm
Originally posted by denym denym wrote:

Edit :- Ok I partially screwed up. While  Zhou Qihao is at #122, he may qualify but there were others from China that were ranked higher than  Zhou Qihao.  Keep in mind this is not a team championship but an individual championship and I am not sure if national associations have a right to deny players an opportunity to play if they are qualified based on current ranking 

But based on what reflecx says above (I am not sure if reflecx is right or wrong, he may be wrong), it looks like China (& probably Germany etc)  was allowed to simply substitute more players, instead of choosing the next best qualified players in the ITTF ranking list.

It sounds very fishy when 3 time champion Ma Long won't be allowed (or chose not to) defend his title.  Nobody talks about the reasons and seems like it is a secret. Very similar to Kanak Jha when he chose not to defend his title but chose to play in another 888 event when back in USA at about the same time.

I am by no means saying that these players or countries  are the only ones that this happens and I am sure it  happens in many other countries.  There was a big dispute with Manika Batra not being allowed to play for India at 2021 Asian Championships.


LOL, this is China you're talking about. Anyway, Zhou Qihao won one of the WTTC selection trials earlier this year, that's why he's going despite his low ranking.


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 10/26/2021 at 1:09am
They realised that they need to get the younger gen to step up so they gave the opportunity to the youngsters....it's the same thinking - team before the individual. 

That said, this is the best opportunity for Fan Zhendong and he better not screw it up this time. He should really have beaten Ma Long in the Olympics....


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 10/26/2021 at 10:34am
ML was probably forced to not play in the WTTC. There is a big chance that he is going to beat FZD again if he plays. LGL wanted to see a generation transition at the Olympics that FZD beat ML. But ML has been very strong for the past year.

Zhou QiHao has never made it to the 1/16 in the international stages. Hopefully it will be different this time.

Letting the best players play is never a motto of CNT. Many chinese fans are disappointed as well that this still happens. 


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Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 10/26/2021 at 3:28pm
Yeah let the Best Players play, Until the Best Players win, win and retire and then there's no one Who has been exposed enough and can replace them well and same fans Will put pressure on the team and probably call for overhauling the coaching team, People can never be satisfied lol

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/26/2021 at 9:41pm
If I resume the thread into a plausible story, ML won everything he wanted, best of all time title included. Yes he could get another wttc and would become alone up there for a very long time but after all his dreams realized thanks to the support of the team, he now pays back the team by leaving the spots to those who need exposure to the highest level. There is more value there than taking the risk of a loss when a victory would even not teach us anything we did not know already: he is the best, the cream of the cream, the 1% of the 1%. 

The hypothesis is more than plausible to me.


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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 10/26/2021 at 10:12pm
It's not up to Ma Long. We are thinking like westerners, and individuals (I am guilty of this often). The coaches select, it's what they think is best for China, and the individual, no matter how great, doesn't get a vote. The system is alien to the western mentality.


Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 10/27/2021 at 9:07am
Any word on the mask requirements in the venue?

Thanks.


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Posted By: denym
Date Posted: 10/27/2021 at 9:53am
I saw this hilarious hype writeup at WTT

http://worldtabletennis.com/description?artId=700" rel="nofollow - https://worldtabletennis.com/description?artId=700

As far as I am concerned, WITTC is a complete and utter failure without Ma Long (& Xu Xin).

Are you kidding ?  They won't even give Ma Long a chance to make history ?  No player won 4 in a row in sponge era (Viktor Barna won 4 in a row in hardbat era......though they did have WTTC every year then not every 2 years)

USATT should bring this up with the state department & make this an international "incident" (to at least "expose" table-tennis to the USA's basement ping-pong public....rather than writing phony articles like above) & should probably refuse to send USA team to China for 2022 WTTTC if Ma Long does not show up to defend his title in Houston (Remember Moscow 1980 (Afghanistan) & LA 1984 ? Tit-for-tat Olympics boycotts)  ........ Ha Ha  I am just blowing smoke LOL

Also, reminds me of Chicago Bulls management choosing to disband their 1998 team rather than give them a chance to defend their title in 1999 (But then again who knows, maybe Bulls players & coach wanted GM Jerry Krause gone if they were going to stay ........it cuts both ways) .







Posted By: denym
Date Posted: 10/27/2021 at 9:58am
Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

It's not up to Ma Long. We are thinking like westerners, and individuals (I am guilty of this often). The coaches select, it's what they think is best for China, and the individual, no matter how great, doesn't get a vote. The system is alien to the western mentality.

Which other eastern country would have done the same ?

BTW,  WITTC is  an individual event not a team event.

If Ma Long had known in Tokyo , he could have taken an eastbound plane & defected to USA .... I guess he still would have gotten to play since this is an individual championships.

Maybe his defection would have made table-tennis more popular in USA than baseball, basketball & American football ........one can only fantasize.   ShockedCry


Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 10/27/2021 at 12:48pm
sorry dupe post


Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 10/27/2021 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Any word on the mask requirements in the venue?

Thanks.

Aren't local mask requirements against state law?


Posted By: ez1986
Date Posted: 10/27/2021 at 12:55pm
Why would ML defect to USA?  Coaching kids at the club?

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Posted By: ez1986
Date Posted: 10/27/2021 at 1:30pm
Anyone knows the difference between WTT 'Daily Hall B3 Access' and 'All Access' ? 

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/27/2021 at 2:27pm
Exactly.  For WTTC, the countries are allowed to select any players they choose to play in the spots they are allotted by the rules.  China could send a totally unranked team if it wanted to, though the low seeding would mean playing in earlier rounds and tougher draws for many of them.  The US has 4 spots in men, maybe more because we are hosting.

Originally posted by reflecx reflecx wrote:

Originally posted by denym denym wrote:

Edit :- Ok I partially screwed up. While  Zhou Qihao is at #122, he may qualify but there were others from China that were ranked higher than  Zhou Qihao.  Keep in mind this is not a team championship but an individual championship and I am not sure if national associations have a right to deny players an opportunity to play if they are qualified based on current ranking 

But based on what reflecx says above (I am not sure if reflecx is right or wrong, he may be wrong), it looks like China (& probably Germany etc)  was allowed to simply substitute more players, instead of choosing the next best qualified players in the ITTF ranking list.

It sounds very fishy when 3 time champion Ma Long won't be allowed (or chose not to) defend his title.  Nobody talks about the reasons and seems like it is a secret. Very similar to Kanak Jha when he chose not to defend his title but chose to play in another 888 event when back in USA at about the same time.

I am by no means saying that these players or countries  are the only ones that this happens and I am sure it  happens in many other countries.  There was a big dispute with Manika Batra not being allowed to play for India at 2021 Asian Championships.


LOL, this is China you're talking about. Anyway, Zhou Qihao won one of the WTTC selection trials earlier this year, that's why he's going despite his low ranking.


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/27/2021 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Any word on the mask requirements in the venue?

Thanks.

Aren't local mask requirements against state law?


The Governor signed an executive order banning local mask mandates for city and county buildings and then more recently signed an order banning vaccine mandates even for private business.  The legislature was called into special session but didn't pass a law banning the vaccine mandates.  So it seems to be a bit of a gray area in terms of legality. (It's not clear that the Governor can act unilaterally on something like that for more than a temporary measure).  At least, that is my  understanding (which could be wrong, I'm not a lawyer). 

I just checked the website for a huge international petroleum conference that will be held in the same venue in December.  It says this:  "The CDC recommends masks be worn inside at public locations and masks will be provided free of charge. The decision to wear a mask or not will be at each attendee’s discretion."   That particular conference, however, is not allowing anybody in who is not fully vaccinated OR who has not had a negative PCR test within the last 72 hours.  In other words, they will be consistent with the orders on city county and state orders on masks (they are not required) but they are going to make sure people comply in other ways. 

My impression is that if the ITTF wants a rule like that for attendees they are allowed to insist on it.  But a mask will not be required.

Travelers from abroad are going to have a hard time entering the country without a lot of Covid documentation.


Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 12:10am
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Any word on the mask requirements in the venue?

Thanks.

Aren't local mask requirements against state law?


The Governor signed an executive order banning local mask mandates for city and county buildings and then more recently signed an order banning vaccine mandates even for private business.  The legislature was called into special session but didn't pass a law banning the vaccine mandates.  So it seems to be a bit of a gray area in terms of legality. (It's not clear that the Governor can act unilaterally on something like that for more than a temporary measure).  At least, that is my  understanding (which could be wrong, I'm not a lawyer). 

I just checked the website for a huge international petroleum conference that will be held in the same venue in December.  It says this:  "The CDC recommends masks be worn inside at public locations and masks will be provided free of charge. The decision to wear a mask or not will be at each attendee’s discretion."   That particular conference, however, is not allowing anybody in who is not fully vaccinated OR who has not had a negative PCR test within the last 72 hours.  In other words, they will be consistent with the orders on city county and state orders on masks (they are not required) but they are going to make sure people comply in other ways. 

My impression is that if the ITTF wants a rule like that for attendees they are allowed to insist on it.  But a mask will not be required.

Travelers from abroad are going to have a hard time entering the country without a lot of Covid documentation.

Thank you!


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Posted By: reflecx
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 1:37am
Originally posted by denym denym wrote:


If Ma Long had known in Tokyo , he could have taken an eastbound plane & defected to USA .... I guess he still would have gotten to play since this is an individual championships.



Are you new to table tennis? ITTF has rules wrt switching associations. As an adult, Ma Long would have to wait 9 years after switching associations to play WTTC for his new association.


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 2:40am
Could've defected to USA, you mean that third world country?

"Emma: It begins in California..." No wonder the US will become "minority white" with all that shit happening.

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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 8:24am
Is this true ?

ONLY FULLY VACCINATED ATHLETES CAN PARTICIPATE WTTC 2021 in America.

Most likely, China and Russia debarred from entering USA.
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What does fully vaccinated mean? Which vaccines will be accepted?

The United States will accept vaccines authorized by U.S. regulators or listed for emergency use by the World Health Organization, according to the C.D.C. This includes
• Moderna,
• Johnson & Johnson,
• Pfizer-BioNTech,
• two versions of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine,
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Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine is not currently on the accepted list, meaning that most Russians and others inoculated with Sputnik V may be prohibited from entering the United States.

People are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after their second dose of a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, or two weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, a spokeswoman for the C.D.C. said. “Mix and match” vaccines, an inoculation strategy involving a first dose of one vaccine and a second dose of a different vaccine, will be accepted as long as each dose involved is an accepted vaccine, the C.D.C. said.



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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 10:02am
Hi,

At every recent World's not held in China that I am aware of, the Chinese team travels early to a site similar to that of the World's venue to prepare and adjust to the time changes.  If the World's is in Europe, they travel to Europe early to prepare.

If this pattern holds, there should be information on where in the U.S. the Chinese team will soon land.  Any news?

Thanks.


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Posted By: denym
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 11:28am
Originally posted by reflecx reflecx wrote:

Originally posted by denym denym wrote:


If Ma Long had known in Tokyo , he could have taken an eastbound plane & defected to USA .... I guess he still would have gotten to play since this is an individual championships.



Are you new to table tennis? ITTF has rules wrt switching associations. As an adult, Ma Long would have to wait 9 years after switching associations to play WTTC for his new association.

That is such naive thinking.  I was only joking about Ma Long defecting, which many people took it so seriously, which made it even more funnier.

Anyway if Ma Long would indeed have defected, do you really think the US Government & state of Texas (which is obsessed with rugged individualism) would allow ITTF to run an individual event in Texas, violating Ma Long's civil rights by not allowing him to defend his title ? SERIOUSLY ?

 


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Is this true ?

ONLY FULLY VACCINATED ATHLETES CAN PARTICIPATE WTTC 2021 in America.

Most likely, China and Russia debarred from entering USA.
* * * * * *
What does fully vaccinated mean? Which vaccines will be accepted?

The United States will accept vaccines authorized by U.S. regulators or listed for emergency use by the World Health Organization, according to the C.D.C. This includes
• Moderna,
• Johnson & Johnson,
• Pfizer-BioNTech,
• two versions of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine,
-
Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine is not currently on the accepted list, meaning that most Russians and others inoculated with Sputnik V may be prohibited from entering the United States.

People are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after their second dose of a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, or two weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, a spokeswoman for the C.D.C. said. “Mix and match” vaccines, an inoculation strategy involving a first dose of one vaccine and a second dose of a different vaccine, will be accepted as long as each dose involved is an accepted vaccine, the C.D.C. said.



This is a really interesting question.  It may be that the Chinese athletes will be getting one of the approved vaccines.  I can't imagine that they would forgo winning all the gold medals they usually win.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by denym denym wrote:

Originally posted by reflecx reflecx wrote:

Originally posted by denym denym wrote:


If Ma Long had known in Tokyo , he could have taken an eastbound plane & defected to USA .... I guess he still would have gotten to play since this is an individual championships.



Are you new to table tennis? ITTF has rules wrt switching associations. As an adult, Ma Long would have to wait 9 years after switching associations to play WTTC for his new association.

That is such naive thinking.  I was only joking about Ma Long defecting, which many people took it so seriously, which made it even more funnier.

Anyway if Ma Long would indeed have defected, do you really think the US Government & state of Texas (which is obsessed with rugged individualism) would allow ITTF to run an individual event in Texas, violating Ma Long's civil rights by not allowing him to defend his title ? SERIOUSLY ?

 


It is not local rules, it is whether or not the ITTF allows someone to represent another national team in certain events after already playing for one national team.  So this is not naive thinking.  If you want to play in the NBA, you have to follow NBA rules.  You want to play in the Olympics or WTTC you have to abide by ITTF rules (and IOC rules in Olympics).  It doesn't matter what people in Texas think (and since I live in Texas I can happily say that is mostly a good thing).


Posted By: denym
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by denym denym wrote:

Originally posted by reflecx reflecx wrote:

Originally posted by denym denym wrote:


If Ma Long had known in Tokyo , he could have taken an eastbound plane & defected to USA .... I guess he still would have gotten to play since this is an individual championships.



Are you new to table tennis? ITTF has rules wrt switching associations. As an adult, Ma Long would have to wait 9 years after switching associations to play WTTC for his new association.

That is such naive thinking.  I was only joking about Ma Long defecting, which many people took it so seriously, which made it even more funnier.

Anyway if Ma Long would indeed have defected, do you really think the US Government & state of Texas (which is obsessed with rugged individualism) would allow ITTF to run an individual event in Texas, violating Ma Long's civil rights by not allowing him to defend his title ? SERIOUSLY ?

 


It is not local rules, it is whether or not the ITTF allows someone to represent another national team in certain events after already playing for one national team.  So this is not naive thinking.  If you want to play in the NBA, you have to follow NBA rules.  You want to play in the Olympics or WTTC you have to abide by ITTF rules (and IOC rules in Olympics).  It doesn't matter what people in Texas think (and since I live in Texas I can happily say that is mostly a good thing).

I disagree. Your examples only apply o normal conditions. Under extraordinary situations like Ma Long there would be exceptions. If Ma Long indeed defected, he would be allowed as a person without a country, for which IOC has a special category if you did not know. Since ITTF is a puppet of IOC,  ITTF would then have to yield.  Also there are scores of situations where political institutions have interfered  & have overridden sports bodies.  Moscow 1980 & LA 1984 was a prime example. 
   The US Government would love to make Ma Long their poster child for individual freedom.  How much do you want to bet that Ma Long (& Xu Xin & Liu Schiwen in mixed doubles) will not be allowed to defend their title if they defected. That is nuts.

I fully understand that many teams in NBA or NFL etc win the title one year and don't even make the play-offs next year. But there is no denying that Ma Long is in Olympic form and probably so are Xu Xin & Liu Shiwen.

It only seems to me that you want to argue for argument's sake but you know full well in your heart that there is no way Ma Long (& Xun Xin & Liu Shiwen) will not be allowed to defend their titles if they defected. That would cause a huge international incident since this is an individual event & not a team event.
   

Again I keep reminding people, this is an individual event NOT a team event. 


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 2:07pm
Nobody in the US really cares about TT.  Do you think any politician in Texas cares about Ma Long? 

But in any case Ma Long is not moving anywhere.  He is a national hero in China.  What could anyone in the US offer him?  The chance to coach ten year olds?   

Also, as others have noted, and this is the most important thing, the ITTF and IOC would not allow him to represent any country other than China in the Olympics or WTTC for several years.  Remember the WTTC is an individual event BUT countries are allotted a certain number of slots by ITTF, and the ITTF has rules about who can fill those slots.  At the Olympics there are some different considerations.

This is actually fact and you can find it if you search ITTF rules.

As for rules being bent for someone like Ma Long, undoubtedly the greatest player of all time, if that was the case the ITTF would force the CNT to have Ma Long play in Houston in a few weeks, and apparently that is not going to happen.  (Unfortunately, I was hoping to see him again live).


Posted By: denym
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Nobody in the US really cares about TT.  Do you think any politician in Texas cares about Ma Long? 

But in any case Ma Long is not moving anywhere.  He is a national hero in China.  What could anyone in the US offer him?  The chance to coach ten year olds?   

Also, as others have noted, and this is the most important thing, the ITTF and IOC would not allow him to represent any country other than China in the Olympics or WTTC for several years.  Remember the WTTC is an individual event BUT countries are allotted a certain number of slots by ITTF, and the ITTF has rules about who can fill those slots.  At the Olympics there are some different considerations.

This is actually fact and you can find it if you search ITTF rules.

As for rules being bent for someone like Ma Long, undoubtedly the greatest player of all time, if that was the case the ITTF would force the CNT to have Ma Long play in Houston in a few weeks, and apparently that is not going to happen.  (Unfortunately, I was hoping to see him again live).

I thought I addressed all this when I said political decisions override ITTF rules.
    I understand nobody cares about Ma Long or table-tennis in USA but only as long as his individual rights are not trampled upon (in an individual event) & if he defects and (temporarily) becomes a man with no country.
 Also as I said ITTF is just a puppet of IOC as are many national organizations like USATT is a puppet of USOPC (let us not forget how USOPC fired the entire Board Of Directors of USATT in 2019)   
    We can go in in circles if you wish but I think you are crazy if you believe Ma Long (& Xu Xin & Liu Shiwen)  won't get to play in Houston if they defected. My point is that this is travesty of justice and violation of individual freedoms if an individual player is not allowed to play in an individual event and that is why US Government cannot just standby and watch.
 
I agree table-tennis is nothing in USA but in the context of Ping Pong Diplomacy it will be revisited if Ma Long defects.  It is crazy to speculate about what he will do in USA if he defects. I know he is a national hero in China but he could rightfully get upset for not being allowed to defend his title in an individual event & I am sure most rational Chinese will secretly agree with him (but cannot voice their opinions in public for fear of retribution) . Of course all this assuming he wants to play and it is not his choice not to play, which I do not know for sure 

  
    


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/28/2021 at 10:17pm
you addressed it by saying something nonsensical. International sports federations make their own rules.  About the only thing politicians and governments can do is to refuse to send their country's teams to an event in protest. It's pretty clear you don't know anything about the ittf.


Posted By: denym
Date Posted: 10/29/2021 at 1:36am
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

you addressed it by saying something nonsensical. International sports federations make their own rules.  About the only thing politicians and governments can do is to refuse to send their country's teams to an event in protest. It's pretty clear you don't know anything about the ittf.

You have not understood anything I said or just choose to ignore it conveniently & go in circles

I do not have to know anything about ITTF & its rules. I told you there are scores of examples where a government nullified traditional rules. Ma Long's case is one of these very high profile case. If Ma Long defects and tells the US Government that his individual freedoms have been grossly violated , then the US Government would not only have to intervene & force ITTF to let Ma Long play or cancel the WITTC. In fact the US Government would actually enjoy it.   


Posted By: JediJesseS
Date Posted: 11/05/2021 at 12:01am
I just want to be sure I understand--you're saying you believe if Ma Long first defected from China and then wanted to play in the Houston WTTC, the US Government itself would intervene to force the ITTF to insert him into the event, or else shut down the entire WTTC?


Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 11/05/2021 at 7:57am
Hi,

And we wonder why there is a Pacific Ocean of cynicism in the world today:

About the only thing politicians and governments can do is to refuse to send their country's teams to an event in protest.

On March 21, 1980, President Jimmy Carter announces that the U.S. will boycott the Olympic Games scheduled to take place in Moscow that summer. The announcement came after the Soviet Union failed to comply with Carter's February 20, 1980, deadline to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan.

We of the U.S. invaded the same country, burned a trillion dollars, and stayed 20 years!

Thanks.


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 11/05/2021 at 9:27am
LGY just lost to Drinkhall at WTT.

Interesting to see whether ZQH and LGY got some "punishment" for very early exit.


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Posted By: denym
Date Posted: 11/05/2021 at 5:43pm
Originally posted by JediJesseS JediJesseS wrote:

I just want to be sure I understand--you're saying you believe if Ma Long first defected from China and then wanted to play in the Houston WTTC, the US Government itself would intervene to force the ITTF to insert him into the event, or else shut down the entire WTTC?

How many different ways would you like me to explain this ?  YES YES YES The state department can shut down the entire WTTC if the US sees it as violation of  individual rights & freedom on its soil, especially in an individual event like WITTC (this is NOT WTTTC that takes place in even years).  I also pointed out earlier as to how IOC (the puppet-master of ITTF) has a special category that now allows players with no country to compete in Olympics.  And BTW, Russian Governemnt flexed their muscle to got around the ban on their athletes by simply using a phony name like ROC or something to compete and that is a complete joke. Also again for the 100th time, let me repeat, there had been scores of cases where governments intervened and overrode sports bodies. Take for example Japan forcing South & North Korea to field a unified team at the 1991 World Table Tennis Championships held in Japan (Unified Korea won the women's team event beating China 3-2 with Gao Jun losing the deciding 5th match. Gee I wonder which country Gao Jun is a citizen of now). Also you conveniently forgot the tit for tat of 1980 Moscow (No USA team) & 1984 Los Angeles Olympics (No USSR team) which I mentioned earlier

Feel free to come again ......and again by keeping on insisting that ITTF is more powerful than the US Government. Love to go around in circles       


Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 11/05/2021 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

LGY just lost to Drinkhall at WTT.

Interesting to see whether ZQH and LGY got some "punishment" for very early exit.
LGY won a round already. so he is fine. ZQH won no match. He is in trouble.


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/06/2021 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by denym denym wrote:

Originally posted by JediJesseS JediJesseS wrote:

I just want to be sure I understand--you're saying you believe if Ma Long first defected from China and then wanted to play in the Houston WTTC, the US Government itself would intervene to force the ITTF to insert him into the event, or else shut down the entire WTTC?

How many different ways would you like me to explain this ?  YES YES YES The state department can shut down the entire WTTC if the US sees it as violation of  individual rights & freedom on its soil, especially in an individual event like WITTC (this is NOT WTTTC that takes place in even years).  I also pointed out earlier as to how IOC (the puppet-master of ITTF) has a special category that now allows players with no country to compete in Olympics.  And BTW, Russian Governemnt flexed their muscle to got around the ban on their athletes by simply using a phony name like ROC or something to compete and that is a complete joke. Also again for the 100th time, let me repeat, there had been scores of cases where governments intervened and overrode sports bodies. Take for example Japan forcing South & North Korea to field a unified team at the 1991 World Table Tennis Championships held in Japan (Unified Korea won the women's team event beating China 3-2 with Gao Jun losing the deciding 5th match. Gee I wonder which country Gao Jun is a citizen of now). Also you conveniently forgot the tit for tat of 1980 Moscow (No USA team) & 1984 Los Angeles Olympics (No USSR team) which I mentioned earlier

Feel free to come again ......and again by keeping on insisting that ITTF is more powerful than the US Government. Love to go around in circles       

You're funny.


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 11/17/2021 at 10:05am
Many players have arrived in Houston.





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Posted By: dony71
Date Posted: 11/17/2021 at 4:44pm
where to watch live streaming for this event?


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 11/17/2021 at 5:38pm
Originally posted by dony71 dony71 wrote:

where to watch live streaming for this event?

Very likely at youtube and worldtabletennis.com for US viewers. We will know the live stream site when it is getting closer. 

Hopefully, it will not be as bad as the recent WTT live streams.


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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 11/17/2021 at 8:53pm
where to watch live streaming for this event?

If, as in the past, at times, I receive the This Video/Streaming is not available in your country, I'm going to scream.


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Posted By: kagin
Date Posted: 11/18/2021 at 2:29pm
Why? Are you opposed to the principle of video rights having commercial value?


Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 11/18/2021 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by kagin kagin wrote:

Why? Are you opposed to the principle of video rights having commercial value?

Only guessing here, but probably it's because he wants to watch the matches.


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 11/18/2021 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by kagin kagin wrote:

Why? Are you opposed to the principle of video rights having commercial value?


Do you know who has the video rights for the US?


Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 11/18/2021 at 9:34pm
Hi,

In the instances alluded to in my prior post, as a former network engineer, I grumbled to myself my desire to see the network architecture schema used for this debacle of viewing accessibility.  Of course, it was evident they didn't exist, as no one in the profession is that stupid.  

In place of a proper approach was simply a helter-skelter, hodgepodge, mishmash, gathering of individual broadcast arrangements that likely provided quality service to the viewership within each of the provider's geographic rights under the agreements.

The thought did come to mind that the "I" in ITTF refers to "International," an intended indication of the breadth of the organization's purview.  We have proof the "I" is not always "I". 

In said instances, gladly I would have paid for the viewing services I had an interest in, thus satisfying the legitimate context of commercial broadcasts.  I would honestly not be surprised, with the USATT registered player numbers in the United States being below low (the registered player numbers being a metric often used as an indication of popularity), that such difficulties as outlined here may hold a presence in the upcoming World Championships.

Thanks.


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 11/19/2021 at 10:43am
As of now, there is no indication of where the live stream will be for US viewers. Don't have high expectation from WTT based on the past live streams. Really miss the old ITTF TV.

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Posted By: oldttguy
Date Posted: 11/19/2021 at 10:46am
I share your pessimism. Also, the terrible WTT side-angle streams are close to unwatchable for me in any case, so the outlook looks bleak.


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/19/2021 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by kagin kagin wrote:

Why? Are you opposed to the principle of video rights having commercial value?


Do you know who has the video rights for the US?


CBS


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 8:53am
The draw ceremony takes place in 3 hours - live on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNY7G-pjJ_4

Special guest Peng Shuai ? Wink


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 12:07pm
Now live - in attendance:

Fan Zhendong
Chen Meng
Harimoto
Lily Zhang
Calderano
Adriana Diaz

NO PENG SHUAI?


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 12:41pm
Wow - Lily and Adriana drew all the top 4 Chinese men in the upper half. (Zhou Qihao still to be added in later.)






Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 12:41pm
On men's side, almost all players are on the same half zone except ZQH. Probably the worst draw China can have.

Another non-CNT finalist this year?


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Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 1:26pm
Amazing! This genuinely gives Timo a chance of a Silver medal, if I'm reading the draw correctly. Falck will knock out Lin Yun-Ju, Filus will have the game of his life VS Harimoto, and Boll can then lose 0-4 to Fan Zhendong in the final. 


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 1:30pm
This is LYJ's chance for silver or gold.


Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Amazing! This genuinely gives Timo a chance of a Silver medal, if I'm reading the draw correctly. Falck will knock out Lin Yun-Ju, Filus will have the game of his life VS Harimoto, and Boll can then lose 0-4 to Fan Zhendong in the final. 

According to my crystal ball: Harimoto will scream his way into the finals to get silver.


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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 2:47pm
[QUOTE=pongfugrasshopper]This is LYJ's chance for silver or gold. [/QUOTE

He is for sure one of the top contenders....


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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 3:02pm
draw is wide open for the non-chinese... might be the best chance some of them will ever get


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 3:09pm
Zhou Qihao in the lower half - second round against Timo...

https://worldtabletennis.com/eventInfo?subEvt=MSINGLES&selectedTab=Draws&eventId=2346" rel="nofollow - https://worldtabletennis.com/eventInfo?subEvt=MSINGLES&selectedTab=Draws&eventId=2346


Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Amazing! This genuinely gives Timo a chance of a Silver medal, if I'm reading the draw correctly. Falck will knock out Lin Yun-Ju, Filus will have the game of his life VS Harimoto, and Boll can then lose 0-4 to Fan Zhendong in the final. 

According to my crystal ball: Harimoto will scream his way into the finals to get silver.

Alas, you might be more correct than me. Just saw that Boll is due to play Zhou Qihao in his first match (after getting a bye in the first round).Dead


Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 3:12pm
Personal pick of first round matches for me is the battle of the backhands with Karakasevic (45) taking on Darko Jorgic.


Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 11/21/2021 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Zhou Qihao in the lower half - second round against Timo...

https://worldtabletennis.com/eventInfo?subEvt=MSINGLES&selectedTab=Draws&eventId=2346" rel="nofollow - https://worldtabletennis.com/eventInfo?subEvt=MSINGLES&selectedTab=Draws&eventId=2346


That will definitely be a match to watch!



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