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Topic: Young European prospects
Posted By: koshkin
Subject: Young European prospects
Date Posted: 11/14/2021 at 12:01pm
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I have been watching Youtube videos from recent competitions and league play and sorta keeping tabs on young European players in an attempt to see if any of them are really going to make a breakthrough, rise to the top of European table tennis and have a snowball's chance in hell to challenge the Chinese. I find men's game stylistically more interesting, so I have been mostly watching that. Nothing against the women's game. They are really good, but I find it technically less interesting. Samsonov has essentially retired. Boll is getting there. Current generation of mature European players (let's say 25 and up) is reasonably strong, but a bit of a step down from the previous generation I think. That having been said, between Ovtcharov, Franziska, Gauzy, Falck, Pitchford, Freitas, etc this is still a pretty strong generation, especially given that European players tend to mature a little later. Looking at the younger players, there are a few that are either already getting there or looking really promising. In no particular order: Darko Jorgic: he is really stepping up. Mentally strong. Greatly improved FH and intelligent point contruction Anton Kallberg: very complete game. He is getting better at winning ugly, but that still needs work. Needs a change in handling pressure to step up in competition. His game might be too straightforward to really challenge the Chinese Truls Moregardh: great talent. Somewhat technically, but clearly good enough. Mental toughness... seems questionable, but he is young and it is getting better. Lev Katsman: workhorse type of a game, but after wining Euro doubles his mental toughness really took a step up as did his footwork. He needs to learn how to win some easy points to make a step up. Maksim Grebnev: He used to be a little wild, but really benefitted from the last Euro. I think we will see some serious technical improvement next year in how he constructs points and executes his game plan. Ioannis Sgouropoulos: always had great hands. He seems to finally take physical conditioning seriously. He is adjusting to that now. His newly found fitness gives him some new options he is not yet using to full potential. Next year could really be a breakout year for him. Samuel Kulcyzcki: Great physical talent. Mental aspect is virtually non-existent for the time being though. We'll see how that develops. Alexandre Cassin: If you look up fast twitch muscles in the dictionary, there will be a picture of that kid in there. If his coach is competent, he could really do something in a couple of years. Very raw, it seems, but great potential. Who am I missing? ------------- BTY Mazunov ST Dignics 05 |
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Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 11/14/2021 at 12:50pm
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Kai Stumper has really improved this season and might still make it to the top 20 if things go his way. Dang Qiu is also playing well and has a very high top level if he's playing well. He might be 26 already though. Felix Lebrun had a good win against CCY at a recent tournament, showing some promise there considering he's only 15. |
Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 11/14/2021 at 1:04pm
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I thought about Dang Qiu and Felix Lebrun, but I am always dubious about penholders that are coming up in Europe. Penhold game may require some coaching aspects that are not easy to find outside of Asia. ------------- BTY Mazunov ST Dignics 05 |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 11/14/2021 at 5:20pm
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Looking at the younger players, there are a few that are either already getting there or looking really promising. In no particular order: . . . Your posting is an excellent overview of the rising talents in Europe. Kallberg is a proven top European player. Whether he can reach the below-China standard of the Japanese/Korean as the two great Germans have done we will wait and see. Truls is probably the biggest uncertainty due to the components of his game being exceptionally diverse. He is allocating his skill development more broadly than others, so we will see if it all can consolidate into an organic whole against the enormous firepower in the game today. I, for one, am cheering him on and the benefit of being in the Swedish table tennis culture should be highly recognized as an advantage he holds. Sgouropoulos now has an upper limit in his reliance on the successful responsiveness to offensive opponents. This limit is evident in his Calderano match recently. Were he to build a more pro-active, assertive offensive game, his prospects are great. My main training partner has fallen in love with Katsman for his spirit of play, which is thrilling to watch. If he's in the right environment with the right coaching direction, he could be as good as Europe gets. Thank you for your contribution. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 11/14/2021 at 5:28pm
| Kilian Ort |
Posted By: lgxb
Date Posted: 11/14/2021 at 5:32pm
| Felix Lebrun--- I hope he will be next penhold superstar |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 11/14/2021 at 6:09pm
| Duda |
Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 11/14/2021 at 9:00pm
Duda is 27 and likely hit his ceiling already. ILya ------------- BTY Mazunov ST Dignics 05 |
piligrim wrote:Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 11/14/2021 at 9:10pm
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Imo Truls has a BH weakness, although he has great punches and variations and short game, when it comes to BH-BH rallies, the lack of a consistent quality topspin BH really hurts him a lot. Kallberg actually has a really amazing game with amazing short game and takes the ball early and fast reflexes/footwork, he's gonna go far imo. The Greek guy Sgouropoulos has just amazing fluid strokes (and so effortlessly powerful) on both wings and just great touch, unfortunately the guy is just relatively slow and unathletic compared to the rest which hurts his game a lot.... Is he young tho? I saw him already balding... I was quite impressed by Lev Katsman, he's very fast on his feet, uses all the lefty angles to the max, and has amazing spin on both wings which cause trouble for everyone playing him. Really good tight serve too. I think he even won against the amazing Lin Yun ju recently! Darko Jorgic has a really weird BH oriented stance which makes him quite vulnerable in the middle, but if he manages to get the first attack in he is really lethal due to his very explosive power. But the weaknesses are too easily exploited by the CNT.... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 11/15/2021 at 3:55am
Me too. I hope he makes penhold great again!!   ------------- Andro Treiber Z - fl FH: Tibhar MX-D max BH: Tibhar Quantum ProX-blue,max |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/15/2021 at 6:59am
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Sgouropoulos's semi-final and final matches in the Euro U21 Champs are incredibly entertaining. Well worth a watch if you have time. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 11/15/2021 at 8:41am
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Hi, Hugo plays like a developing player, in that he is always pushing himself to the limits of his capabilities to execute point-winning shots above his opponent's ability to respond. No top 10 player is doing that. This sets him apart. He does not, 100% of the time, "play within himself." He is playing in preparation for the Chinese. Every year he improves upon his extreme execution. His specialness is found in his ability to attain excellent results in a context of improvement striving. [Our boy Truls is of the same ilk.] His swings in stability, game to game, and match to match, are directly attributable to his process of ultimate attainment. The beauty of sport is that the end point is indeterminant. Unlike the masses, Hugo has all the right stuff: his philosophy, his commitment, his spirit of play, his athleticism, his success momentum. We have two on the men's side with a chance for great distinction; walking side by side with Hugo is the already-great Harimoto. Our next great look will be the World's. I do hope the draw results in the best exposure to be able to see the most. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 11/15/2021 at 2:40pm
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Calderano is definitely an interesting prospect, although the decision to pay for a Russian league team can not be good for his development. It probably pays him well, but is not good for training. I am sure he is still training in Germany though. To compete successfully against the Chinese table tennis juggernaut, you have to have something different in your game. Something that will throw a wrench into their game planning during those crucial moments where the pressure is at it highest. Some players have those quirks in their game already (Moregardh, for example) and the question is whether they can develop their game further without losing that unusualness, for lack of a better word. That is one of my concerns about Kallberg. His game plan is too orhtodox, it seems. You can beat one Chinese player with it on a good day, but not three and that is the style they practice against day in and day out. Same for Lev Katsman. He is absolutely a talent and has phenomenal work ethic, but he needs an extra gear and some of that unusualness to step up. Harimoto is interesting to me because he became so good so young. Now, that is growing up, he has to figure out how to play with an adult body and adult psyche that weighs risks differently. ILya ------------- BTY Mazunov ST Dignics 05 |
Posted By: TTslurp
Date Posted: 11/15/2021 at 5:04pm
| Truls is a great talent but imho he looses too much on the backhand side because he has a problem to consistently produce strong topspin there. The best players just blow him away at the bh side. I think it is his unusual grip that is the culprit and personally would like him to slightly alter his grip to overcome that weakness. |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 11/15/2021 at 7:15pm
He did so many Kreanga like BHs lol, but unlike Kreanga he stays balanced and positionally much more secure. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/15/2021 at 9:23pm
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It shows how weak Europe is, which I've been preaching for years, when Calderano and Harimoto get mentioned in a thread about young European prospects. The only young prospect from Europe worth keeping an eye on is Lebrun. Forget the other ones over 20. They should be competing against the world's best by now and looking ready to replace "Ovtcharov, Franziska, Gauzy, Falck, Pitchford, Freitas, etc." ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 11/16/2021 at 7:07am
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Nice thread. Calderano has a Portuguese passport, so in that sense at least he kind of belongs here. But he is 25 years (and 5 months) old already. Speaking of really young European prospects, female players like Pavade and Kaufmann look more promising. The Chinese women will stay unbeatable though for the foreseeable future.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 11/16/2021 at 7:38am
Lol yeah Calderano is Brazilian and Harimoto is Japanese  The U21 stars are decent tho, I think some even defeated the younger CNT men players like Zhou Qihao... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/16/2021 at 12:08pm
I tried to make that connection last time and https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?19974-2019-s-winner!!&p=255775&viewfull=1#post255775" rel="nofollow - it didn't end well .  Pavade looks decent, but needs more matches against Asian styles to tell. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 11/16/2021 at 2:00pm
I am not sure onboard with that, since European players do mature later. As far as Lebrun goes, I went and found a couple of his matches on Youtube and, honestly, I do not know what you guys see that is impressive outside of a novelty factor of a French kid playing penhold. It will be interesting to see how he develops moving forward. If I were to make a guess, I'd guess that he will fizzle out rather quickly, but I've been wrong before. With all of the players I mentioned, what I am looking for is a clear record of improvement. Naturally, we do not know how long that will go on, but with European players, I expect them to be hitting their peak performance in late 20s/early 30s. ILya ------------- BTY Mazunov ST Dignics 05 |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/16/2021 at 11:34pm
Calderano has never played for portugal. |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/17/2021 at 4:12am
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We'd be lying to ourselves if we keep saying that. Care to look up the age of those European legends in the 80s and 90s when they became world class players? The majority were between 18 and 23 at Seoul 1988. By Barcelona 1992, quite a few of them were already winning medals in the majors. By Atlanta 1996, several of them were already World Champs and/or World Cup holders. By Sydney 2000, they had already achieved enough to cement their status in table tennis history when they were washed up in their 30s. The impression that European players mature later stems from the https://youtu.be/IcqDgk0wb-Q?t=351" rel="nofollow - educational system reform , as pointed out by Rosskopf in 2019. And that's what makes Lebrun worthy of attention because he's not bogged down by that. He's on a similar trajectory as Harimoto and LYJ by starting really young, competing against players many years his senior, even scoring wins and making the main draw at 15 years and 2 months old in a senior event, which is very difficult after the World Ranking reform in 2018. For comparison, Harimoto(then 15 and 3) and LYJ(then 17 and 1) stopped competing in junior events after the Youth Olympic Games 2018. Moregard is going to compete at the World Youth Championships this December, in the U19 event at the age of 19 and 9. Come on. To add insult to injury, https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021_46_YOU_MS.html" rel="nofollow - Moregard is ranked even lower than Februn in the U19. Calderano, who didn't switch to table tennis until 14, was already making a name for himself at WJTTC 2014, YOG 2014 and Rio 2016. He also stopped competing in U21 events after that Olympic games when he was eligible for another year. Think about it. https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?21060-Germany-in-Decline-Rosskopf-Working-to-Revert-It
------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 11/17/2021 at 11:55am
I didn't say that. But it seems that he has a Portuguese passport, which allowed him to count as "European" in the German league (TTBL has a limit for non-European players that a club can use in any given match).
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Posted By: king_pong
Date Posted: 11/30/2021 at 10:20pm
Welp, .... that comment didn't age too well   ------------- Stiga Infinity VPS (Master): fh/bh - Nittaku Hammond CR max |
Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 12/01/2021 at 12:27am
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Given that Truls managed to make it to the finals of the World's, which is no mean feat even with a favorable draw, we can safely assume that he has potential... ILya ------------- BTY Mazunov ST Dignics 05 |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 2:16am
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Have you even read the rules? https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/2021-ITTF-Table-Tennis-Youth-Ranking-Regulation-20210412.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/2021-ITTF-Table-Tennis-Youth-Ranking-Regulation-20210412.pdf
For Moregard, 6 out of 6 results are senior events, for crying out loud. For Lebrun, only 2 out of 7 results are senior events. Care to check how many senior events the others have? If we take out the multiplier for senior events, Moregard would still rank below Lebrun by a wide margin. Moregard is 19 years, 9 months, and 2 weeks old, so his U19 ranking will only "age well" for another 2 months and 2 weeks, hence my previous post. If you want something that aged well, check out my comments back at WJTTC 2017 and MWC 2019. I was already expecting the following 5 to make regular appearances in the majors. WTTC 2021 was the first major these 5 competed together in the MS after Buenos Aires 2018. https://www.mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81019&PID=1007603&title=2017-wjttc-nov-26-to-dec-3-2017#1007603" rel="nofollow - https://www.mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81019&PID=1007603&title=2017-wjttc-nov-26-to-dec-3-2017#1007603
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?22360-Men-s-World-Cup-2019&p=297694&viewfull=1#post297694" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?22360-Men-s-World-Cup-2019&p=297694&viewfull=1#post297694
Why do you think Jorgen Persson didn't place his trust in Moregard[ https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?23698-Tokyo-2020-2020-7-24-8-9&p=345425&viewfull=1#post345425" rel="nofollow - 1 , https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?23698-Tokyo-2020-2020-7-24-8-9&p=346922&viewfull=1#post346922" rel="nofollow - 2 ] for Tokyo 2020? ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: manwithabigmission
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 4:29am
Persson didnt choose him because he was injured Oct 2020-April 2021. I did not agree to that, but atleast take it into account. Moregard hasn't properly competed in any Junior event since 2019, when he was 17. He skipped EYC and now WJC this year. I don't really understand your point even with your old post. Are you arguing that he's irrelevant for the youth ranking because he doesn't play those or that he is a lesser talent then Lebrun even though they barely come from the same youth generation? EDIT: I am not here to argue what talent is "better" than someone else so no need to lecture me about that. Lebrun might fizzle or become Xu Xin v2. Time will tell.
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Posted By: manwithabigmission
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 4:50am
| Interestingly enough Sweden's biggest talent right now is not Moregard, but a girl named Siri Benjegard that is 10-years-old. Sure it's too early to say anything at that age and she's not Harimoto level of talent, but she's winning against most of her 3-5-year-older opponents in tournaments. |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 4:57am
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As if I didn't know about his knee. I provided the links to Persson's comments behind his decisions in those posts. Care to read? "Moregard hasn't properly competed in any Junior event since 2019?" You gotta be kidding me. https://ranking.ittf.com/#/players/profile/122044/tournaments" rel="nofollow - https://ranking.ittf.com/#/players/profile/122044/tournaments Swedish Junior & Cadet Open - Feb 20-24, 2019 European Youth Championships - Jul 7-16, 2019 World Junior Table Tennis Championships - Nov 24-Dec 1, 2019 ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: manwithabigmission
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 5:13am
Since 2019 IMPLIED 2019. His last was WJC 2019. Can you read yourself???. Don't act all high and mighty online. Would I mean 2018 when I wrote 2019?
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Posted By: Basquests
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 6:34am
IMO It's hard enough to assess levels of talent between men and women, and this is a man and a 10 year old girl.
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Posted By: manwithabigmission
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 6:39am
You're correct, I should specified for their own gender of course. This girl could just go nowhere.
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 7:12am
http://www.nordic.tv/tv/final-girls-13-single-2021-siri-benjegard-vs-gabriela-aaltonen_887e9f1aa.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.nordic.tv/tv/final-girls-13-single-2021-siri-benjegard-vs-gabriela-aaltonen_887e9f1aa.html ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 7:25am
Gotta quote this one for future generations. By your definition, the ITTF didn't exist in 1926 and the WTTC didn't exist in 1926. Montagu must be rolling in his grave. You're hilarious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Table_Tennis_Federation" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Table_Tennis_Federation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Table_Tennis_Championships" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Table_Tennis_Championships
------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: manwithabigmission
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 7:39am
What are you even talking about? Moregard have not entered a WJC or Junior tournament since the WJC 2019. That was my point. Are you bad at English or what is the problem. I was not talking about WTTC or any other tournament. JUST THAT MOREGARD HAS NOT ENTERED A SINGLE WJC OR JUNIOR TOURNAMENT SINCE 2019. HE SKIPPED EYC AND WJC THIS YEAR. Zeio are you deliberately acting like a buffoon because people enjoy your posting? EDIT: Mods do ban me if Im breaking rules right now. I just can't respect people who deliberately misinterpret things.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:04am
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Seriously? No one uses "since 2019" like that and then claim "since 2019 implied 2019" when the WJTTC 2019 was in late November. Anyone with a right mind would have used "since 2020", or better yet, "It's been 2 years since he last played in a junior event". And as my first post stated, he signed up for World Youth Championships 2021. Thank table tennis god he withdrew. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: manwithabigmission
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:06am
So it was just a stupid argument about semantics. I'm sorry if I said anything mean. I agree it is good he withdrew. Have a nice day zeio.
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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:06am
The sentence had a negation (hasn't competed ... since 2019) and was correct - just admit that you misread it and leave out the insults.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:12am
Are you kidding me? Does "since 2019" mean the same as "since WJTTC 2019"? ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: manwithabigmission
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:16am
| That might have been an oversight by me, but I am not sure I needed to get attacked for it. I will think about it in the future. |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:20am
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It doesn't have anything to do with negation. "Hasn't competed in junior event since 2019" means from January 1 to December 31, okay? "Hasn't competed in junior event since WJTTC 2019" means from that event onward, got it? ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:21am
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This has nothing do with months of the year. "He hasn't played since 2019" means "He played in 2019 but not in 2020 or 2021."
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Posted By: manwithabigmission
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:23am
THANK YOU for understand something that simple. And to try and stay on topic once more. We talk about Lebrun, but there are players such as Iulian Chirita that are also looking decent. 2005-2006 crop is pretty good.
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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:39am
i'm sorry, but if that girl is beating fellow competition in the 13-15 age class, that is a really bad sign for the future of the swedish womens team. i see nothing really spectacular especially for the age 13-15 standard. though, to be fair, the swedish womens success has paled in comparison to the mens for a while. |
Posted By: manwithabigmission
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:41am
They're really weak so you're not wrong. Maybe it is more correct to say that she's a talent that is not actually weak or mediocre for once.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 12:20pm
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In case folks feel I have something against European players, do check out https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?23478-Europeans-Actually-More-Talented-in-Table-Tennis" rel="nofollow - my thread on European players and https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?23925-Why-do-Asian-tt-players-mature-earlier-than-Europeans&p=321624&viewfull=1#post321624" rel="nofollow - the impression(borderline superstition) of European players peaking later than their Asian counterparts . I mean we've become too lenient with European players "peaking later" now when they're already in their mid-20s without achieving enough. I wrote that https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?19974-2019-s-winner!!&p=255852&viewfull=1#post255852" rel="nofollow - if Pitchford were to crack top 10, then he had to do it in 2019 . He didn't and he's stuck now. 2021 Week #1 - 15 PITCHFORD Liam ENG 7768 2021 Week #48 - 14 PITCHFORD Liam ENG 5499 OTOH, Calderano is 25 and he's moved up to 4th in the world in the latest(Week #48) ranking. That's why I wrote "Forget the other ones over 20. They should be competing against the world's best by now and looking ready to replace "Ovtcharov, Franziska, Gauzy, Falck, Pitchford, Freitas, etc." These two have been in the top 10 for years now. 5 Harimoto, born Jun 27, 2003 7 LYJ, born Aug 17, 2001 These three should've been in the top 20 by now. 28 Jha, born Jun 19, 2000(like Calderano, not a European but he spends most of his time in Europe now) 31 Moregard, born Feb 16, 2002 93 Pletea, born May 28, 2000 ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/03/2023 at 11:03am
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Ever since WTTC 2021, Moregard has been a little less than impressive for much of 2022, except for WTT SCT ESS 2022 and WTT CS Macao 2022. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91109&PID=1138558&title=short-video-about-felix-lebrun#1138558" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91109&PID=1138558&title=short-video-about-felix-lebrun#1138558 
------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/05/2023 at 9:58pm
Calderano DOB 1996
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/06/2023 at 12:41am
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Of the YOG 2018 generation, Jha and Pletea are falling behind, and CDS is catching up. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/06/2023 at 1:19am
Yeah, not playing for three months as part of a drug-testing suspension makes you fall behind. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/06/2023 at 1:52am
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There's more than one way to define strength/level. Getting tested is part of a player's duty, just like keeping themselves healthy. https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92471&PID=1134485&title=wtt-contender-nova-gorica-2022-10-3111-6#1134485" rel="nofollow - https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92471&PID=1134485&title=wtt-contender-nova-gorica-2022-10-3111-6#1134485
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------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |