The End of the Harimoto Dream
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Topic: The End of the Harimoto Dream
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Subject: The End of the Harimoto Dream
Date Posted: 11/27/2021 at 8:08am
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Hi, Given this: Another factor affecting Harimoto is his higher education. His score can get him into Meiji University(Mizutani, Niwa, Uda, Togami...), but his parents want him to attend Todai/UTokyo(University of Tokyo), and if not possible then Tohoku University. So he's been training, studying and playing all at the same time. We now can terminate the reasonable anticipation of a very special table tennis giant emerging in Tomokazu Harimoto. No one can both compete at the highest level of an extremely competitive sport and successfully prepare for university acceptance and multiple collegiate years of study. No one. This is because, while during your hours and hours of study and classroom participation daily, your top opponents are training in excellent environments, devoting all their energies to the singular pursuit, under the direction of senior coaches. In this context today, Harimoto is so great that he can be a very strong professional player, however he will never be the one of surpassing brilliance that he was positioned for. More than anyone in table tennis history, his track was to the heavens. Ma Long stated publicly that he himself was not as good a Harimoto at the early ages. No evidence was available to indicate the Chinese had any player of his caliber at Harimoto's age. All was set for a historic figure rising. All of this is now gone. That once-in-a-lifetime specialness will not be. For that expectation which he created, turn away and look elsewhere for hope. It is not clear where to look. Replaced for the enormity of historic proportions for the sport of table tennis is a tincture of lift in the academics. This is not a trade off dreams are made of. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/27/2021 at 3:28pm
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LGL predicted in an interview in early 2018 that Harimoto's peak would probably arrive in Paris 2024 instead of Tokyo 2020, but whether the coaches could bring him to that level would be another story. By that time, he will be in his junior or senior year, and should have enough credits to graduate. Once he gets admitted to college, he will have more free time. Therefore, education will mostly hinder his progress for another year or two. Harimoto himself expressed that Paris 2024 wouldn't necessarily be his peak in an interview after Tokyo 2020. The bigger problem right now is he has doubts about his game. It's not certain his coaches could help him overcome that. https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/45966-2021-09-08-05-00-07.html" rel="nofollow - https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/45966-2021-09-08-05-00-07.html
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記者：你在今年3月奧運會前的最後一場國際大賽（卡達公開賽）上奪得了冠軍。你説自己擅長的反手處於最佳狀態。 Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 11/27/2021 at 4:23pm
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Ma Long had the highest peak of Chinese juniors and Masters next to him with the greatest Main coach on his side and Main coach learn the greatest training coaches how to be the greatest coaches to the juniors and Masters Harimoto without mentors, training partners be like whale without water. I think he should sleep and training half of year in Germany with Timo and Ovtcharov, Jorgic, Kallberg , Kanak, Calderano and pressure backhands of these guys every hours and 2 months sits in China and pressure forehand to forehand every provintional player |
Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 11/27/2021 at 5:22pm
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I do not understand his parents logic. Harimoto could potentially make mid to high 6 figures just from playing table tennis. He can always go back to college later. I don't get it. |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 11/27/2021 at 6:10pm
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College is overrated. What's the point of going to college when you're a pro tt player, as very very likely that he will resume tt again once he graduates. Might as well let him keep playing while making money, and he gets to enjoy what he does. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/27/2021 at 6:33pm
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Mentality on education is different in Asian countries. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 11/27/2021 at 6:50pm
Exactly. This choice of mixing college and table tennis is not professional at all. I remember that movie Moneyball, when scouters go to young Brad Pitt house and make him an offer to play professional baseball. His mother innocently asks if he could attend university and play professional baseball. So they explain that it was not possible, if he chose baseball he would have to quit college. So simple and so obvious, it happens in every professional sport, but Harimoto parents seems to ignore this fact.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 11/27/2021 at 7:30pm
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I wouldn't necessarily write him off yet. Because he became so good so early, the way he is likely to mature both physically and psychologically is likely a little different from players who were not as successful in their early/mid teens. Taking his mind off of table tennis for a year (i.e. practicing, but not focusing/obsessing on table tennis as the be all of everything) will be good for him. We all tend to think that focused and deliberate non-stop practice is the only way to get to the top, but that is, to a good degree, a function of this sport really dominated by the Asian school of training. It clearly works, but as many other sports have shown it is not the only way. I see this effect in my primary sport a good bit and in other sports I have interest in. I do not see why table tennis would be any different. There is a good book on the subject called Range by David Epstein. Given how young Harimoto is, I would not make too many assumptions for a couple of years given where his mind is at the moment. ILya ------------- BTY Mazunov ST Dignics 05 |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/27/2021 at 9:58pm
Maybe his father think he wont improve more in the future.
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Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 11/27/2021 at 11:55pm
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Even if he doesn't improve much, and I think he will improve a lot once he stops growing, he can still make a ton of money playing at his current level. Even if he goes to a top college and lands some investment banking dream job, it will take him a few years of working 80=100 hours a week to make the money he currently makes. I am just baffled but it is his life, so maybe it makes sense to him. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 11/28/2021 at 12:01am
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 11/28/2021 at 12:20am
Yeah. Imo he can always go back to college after his professional career just like many ex CNT... They're doing more than fine. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 11/28/2021 at 12:22am
This article implys that Harimoto is in the 12th circle of hell of table tennis grip changes?! ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: balldance
Date Posted: 11/28/2021 at 6:51am
| It’s unbelievable that Harimoto doesn’t feel good with his grip and can’t find a good racket after trying dozens of them. Nope, the problem is his technique and footwork, or more precise, his personal coach(es). They don’t find the right path to develop him. He might be stuck at this level until he has a new coach with new ideas. Meanwhile, other players are improving all the time. |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 11/28/2021 at 7:58am
Accepting the apparent technical challenges he currently faces, the overwhelmingly central point of this discussion is the parental decision to transform their son from one of the exceptional young athletes in the world to a common university student, one among tens of millions. One in a million or ten million or 50 million. . . has the opportunity to be a sports' epic figure, to do what no one else has done. Harimoto is one of those positioned for this chance and it is thrown away in pursuit of the common, the orthodoxy, a membership in the upper group of the academic obedient. Harimoto will be a good student and attain good academic results. He will not be university noteworthy in any way that distinguishes him from millions of others. While it is a dream for parents around the world to have their children achieve something truly exceptional, these parents desire him to melt into the sea of the undistinguished. If an understanding is being carried over that the highest potential in the sport of table tennis may be achieved in a context of deep and extensive school study demands, then an ignorance of the life course trajectories of sports' greatest athletes in now in highly detrimental ascension. To be successful in any discipline in a special way is not a job or a vocation; it is a way of life, of living a certain life of commitment, diligence, and obsessive hard work, with a singular focus as central to that life. Any diversion will be exceedingly harmful. Few of these diversions hold such potential for harm in sports exceptionalism than long, long hours of academic study. Such resultant limitation will be evident when, in the arena, one encounters those who have taken the devoted, committed, singular-focus path of the sport; the outcomes will be telling of the cost. Appropriate to the awareness of these parents is a very significant moderating of Harimoto's sport expectation. In his future lies an average higher education attainment and a good professional career in the sport of table tennis. Not included in this expectation is a shooting star of remarkable brilliance in historic proportionalities. Any expectation that includes brightness is irretrievably dimmed. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/29/2021 at 9:01am
Liu said that harimoto coaches are really bad , he feels.sorry about him. Have you noticed that the japanese coach kurosawa wasnt in houston coaching harimoto as usual?
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Posted By: chongqinghotpot
Date Posted: 11/29/2021 at 9:48am
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For that expectation which he created, turn away and look elsewhere for hope. It is not clear where to look. 🇸🇪:Truls ------------- USATT rating 2200 05Vis64 |
Posted By: manwithabigmission
Date Posted: 11/29/2021 at 10:58am
| Harimoto's got time. I personally believe he will make atleast one olympic or wttc final in his career. |
Posted By: balldance
Date Posted: 11/29/2021 at 11:33am
Kurosawa resigned from the Japanese coach position after the Olympics. I think Harimoto’s dad is coaching him. However, he has stalled for a few years, not just recent months. What did Liu say? He mean the match coaching or training coaching?
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/29/2021 at 11:45am
Yosuke Kurashima (at least get his name right), stepped down after the olympics. Kunihito Tasei is the new head men's coach (Kurashima's doubles partner when they still played). Moving on from his father as coach would probably be ideal, but I imagine that is difficult when he was the one that brought you all that success in the first place. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 11/29/2021 at 12:07pm
that is a far cry from the "next big thing" that was pronounced when he came into the spotlight
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Posted By: Slowhand
Date Posted: 11/29/2021 at 1:08pm
| I think he'll be fine, and he might even be better in the long run. Many all time great athletes went to college for a year or two (or in the old days all four) before turning pro. Harimoto has a giant head start and the luxury of time. |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 11/29/2021 at 4:28pm
ya, maybe when only one player per association. He is just not as "constant" as top CNT players. There was no "REAL" CNT player in his half draw this year, but he could not play on sunday in the single draw.
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Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 11/29/2021 at 4:53pm
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I am glad that he is trying to diversify and challenge himself intellectually. If he does not go to school now, his brain will dry up. I am sure he can balance college and training. Maybe he could maintain low course load and stretch college by a couple extra years. Money is not everything. And he is not giving up on making money off Butterfly. He will be #1 in Japan for the foreseeable future.
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Posted By: ddoocc
Date Posted: 11/30/2021 at 3:11am
| I think his parents do not want him to be a world champion, but a normal Japanese child. Too much pressure on him may destroy him, espesially for an immigrant. |
Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 11/30/2021 at 3:42am
Agree with you, this is exactly what most of the CNT members did, I know there may be some sorta favouritism or less pressure from Tsinghua or Peking authorities, but Ma Long took his time to complete his exams and graduated a couple years ago, I think Wang manyu or sun yingsha or both of them were admitted into college 2 years ago. Maybe zeio is more informed about this and can provide links ------------- How many eyes have seen their dreams |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/30/2021 at 9:54am
Considering the ways in which most people across all sports are proclaimed to be the next big thing and then flame out, the fact he has become a top 3 player, won the world tour finals, 2nd place at world cup... He has absolutely lived up to expectations. He is playing below expectations right now, but to act like he is some sort of disappointment is insane. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 11/30/2021 at 10:24am
this. his career has only been a letdown if you have unreasonable standards. people forget just how hard it is to win a world championships or an olympics, no matter how successful you are early in your career. players don't all develop at the same times as well. it is just as likely that he peaked at 15, as it is that he will take the next step and dominate again at 25. |
Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 11/30/2021 at 10:26am
many of the those top players get degrees, few actually went to class to earn them fill in the blanks
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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 11/30/2021 at 10:39am
Liu said its too sad that there are no good japanese coaches and if HT would be trained un china it would be a súper player. I heard that about japanese coaches in the past , thats the reason ito has like 4 private coaches.
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 11/30/2021 at 11:00am
disappointing or not depends on your expectations. If he has met your expectations then that is fine. I myself didn't have any expectations, but he was hyped a while back...I am commenting on the people who did the hyping and not so much on HT himself
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 11/30/2021 at 11:02am
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 12:08pm
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Liu said that harimoto coaches are really bad , he feels.sorry about him. Hi, The above two statements have been posted in this thread. I would like to read, in an English translation, more specifically what he said. I'm skeptical for a number of reasons. 1) Of great challenge is to reconcile Harimoto's record-breaking performances with the evaluation that all of his coaches are "really bad." 2) With the outstanding production of great players out of Japan consistently throughout the years, stating that "there are no good Japanese coaches" poses a similar challenge to point 1) above. 3) Liu is an ITTF senior official. Such proclamations as stated above are very highly unbecoming an international representative toward a giant of a table tennis country as Japan is. 4) These Liu statements are not characteristic, in any way, with the tone and tenor of previous statements he has made. 5) Harimoto's dad has made the public observation that the training environment in China is vastly superior to Japan, with an emphasis on the quality of training partners and the more advanced training culture that exists in China. Harimoto's dad did not reference the coaching aspect. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 1:07pm
Do you believe Liu statement was for the world to consume? It was for inside the wall, and I was sure he spoke in mandarin as well. In fact, I read more or less the same statements from various sources. hey, "How you speak depends on where you live" applies to everything, not only to CNT peronnel. So, don't take them seriously
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Posted By: balldance
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 2:48pm
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Liu might have said it or not, but there might be some problem with Japanese coaches IMO. Most JNT players stopped improving after their early 20s or even sooner, is it just coincidence? Men: Mizutani, Koki Niwa, Yoshimura Maharu, Jin Ueda, Yuto Muramatsu, Yuya Oshima, the list goes on Women: Ai Fukuhara, kasumi Ishikawa They showed potential at young age but could never step to the next level. The training environment in China is best, but Japan can’t be worst than Europe?
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 3:26pm
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Being exposed internationally too early might be the issue? in China, they progress and toughen their skin and mental at home and only after that do they get to reach international stage. Also exposing a kid to adults too early might be a mistake. Being a wonder kid is great but after that, when they become adults, they need to start from scratch to get to the top level again as adults. That's twice the hard work and it takes a toll on a human being. Maybe it's better to let the kids play with kids and avoiding exposing kids to adult play might be key. This is just a proposition of course, I don't know $%^&. Harimoto just might be temporarily burnt out and that's why the studies idea is good, he needs to fresh up his mind with something else until he gets hungry again and enjoys playing. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 4:53pm
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College + TT is possible - it's just very difficult! Here's some https://thebridge.in/others/5-indian-sportspersons-engineering-degree-25131" rel="nofollow - proof ! ------------- Bty Jun Mizutani ZLC FH: D80 BH: D05 |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 5:30pm
haha, tell that to NFL / NBA / NHL players  ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 6:17pm
No, la, do you think it is all holding hand and singing campfire songs in the China system. The real issues with Harimoto are (1) he is good, but he is not Tom Brady or Mcjesus great. (2) He could not reinvented himself after other players figured him out. A superior coaching may be able to help him overcome the issues, but I will not hold my breath. ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 6:51pm
------------- How many eyes have seen their dreams |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 8:47pm
------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 9:27pm
You dont believe it but thats true, There s another interview where somebody said japanese coaches ruined some players. If they re not bad why ishikawa and ito has many coaches? The interview is over there, I have seen that japanese coaches making multiball drills like they would be coaching a high school player. Well maybe there must be a reason why japanese players perform so bad 1 National champion UDA lost in 1st round 2 Ishikawa lost 11 0 to Singapur player in Tokyo Olympics. 3 Niwa lost 11 0 to dima in Tokyo. |
Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 9:30pm
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If coach is the concern, they should hire Coach Qiu to train him. Qiu used to be Mizutani and Ishikawa's personal coach. ------------- BTY Viscaria 90g DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, 39/2.1 BTY Tenergy 05 1.9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62263" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 12/02/2021 at 11:58pm
Did you miss the news when there was power struggle in the JNT? Don't think JNT will fire his dad ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 2:03am
And you talk of "someone" said japanese coaches destroy Players, maybe that's just the angry nationalist in that whoever that is person speaking, Couple of the people in the Japanese support system are from China now so that's an own on the Chinese system itself. Besides Xiang Peng, Kuai Man and co don't have obvious advantages over their japanese counterparts and are even less experienced, Should our conclusion be the Chinese system has turned bad??, Things are never so simple, And Let's avoid generizing or cynical statements like this. Why are you pointing out Kasumi and Niwa, everyone has always been of the opinion that they are not much of a threat. Even Uda still has a long way to go. ------------- How many eyes have seen their dreams |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 8:40am
Video was about 2018 so its hard to find. Its up to you to believe or not. You just need to take a look at the results. Please explain why ito and kasumi have several personal coaches if japanese team coaches are good?
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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 8:41am
Qiu made an excellent work with mizutani and maze.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 9:36am
@1:37, https://video.zhibo.tv/detail/video/11144.html" rel="nofollow - https://video.zhibo.tv/detail/video/11144.html
------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 11:33am
sry, my bad, I don't know Miz's dad was coaching Miz and was in the JNT coaching staff system before. ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 11:56am
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The misinformation in this thread cracks me up. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 11:58am
------------- How many eyes have seen their dreams |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 1:51pm
Is that not the post-2000's internet for
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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 2:51pm
Qiu jian xin son is the german penholder Qiu dang
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Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 7:10pm
Qiu Dang played very well in this tournament. He could be Gemany's #4 after Timo, Dima and Franz. ------------- BTY Viscaria 90g DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, 39/2.1 BTY Tenergy 05 1.9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62263" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 7:14pm
What about it? ------------- BTY Viscaria 90g DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, 39/2.1 BTY Tenergy 05 1.9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62263" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 12/03/2021 at 7:50pm
He pulled 7 games to liang jinkun
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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 12/06/2021 at 6:46pm
| he was out of training for long time before WTTC, two weeks later with small training camp he is in top form in Singapure and looks like beast . it is unfair that he gets his position when he didnt use to be part of TT family and he is learning some bs to go to college, and people like Matsushima Sora who can be new prodigy and beat everybody with FZD on top shelf sits in home because dear Haribo didnt have mental attitude to say- sorry guys I have more problems with family and their college bs than tt . |
Posted By: Basquests
Date Posted: 12/07/2021 at 3:23am
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Harimoto's demise has been greatly exaggerated. How many times must he prove you wrong, before you stop doubting him? He's a fascinating talent, even with various handicaps he will shine very brightly. I should really hope he doesn't let college distract him, I don't understand how that's a sound financial decision. He will always make more money [and enjoy] by focusing on TT full time. Hence, the studies are a distraction, and you can only have so much time / focus / energy in a day. You can't train, fatigue, rest, and study and do all of those things without concessions. Most athletes try go full time, but aren't talented/financially set enough to avoid working/studying part time. In Asia, sometimes the dream is to be so good that you can train part time and study, apparently.
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Posted By: timoboll89
Date Posted: 12/07/2021 at 4:17am
| does anyone have an idea of the income of japanese pro players playing the T-league? |
Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 12/07/2021 at 6:58am
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I don't get all the fuzz about this.. Mizutani entered at International stage very early also, attended university and got a medal at Rio at 27yo. Forget about beat chinese, Harimoto fight is for bronze medal aganist LYJ, Hugo and others and he still can do that. Eventually these guys can win a match aganist CNT but they are not in the same league at big events (WTTC and Olympics) ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 12/07/2021 at 9:02am
| I can't say what's right for HT. But if I was able to be Japan's top player early in my teens, beat ML at age 14, a chance at multiple Olympics and World Championships, and make millions of dollars from career + endorsements, I would easily skip college to see how far my TT passion takes me. As others have said, you can achieve a degree later in life. However, an athlete's physical prime years is much more limited. Best of luck to him whatever he decides. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 12/07/2021 at 10:26am
that is so funny about the dream part (not saying Basquests made this up). If you don't have to train full time to be good, why does one not train full time and be dominant.
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 12/07/2021 at 10:28am
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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 12/07/2021 at 3:47pm
says who? you, or him?
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Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 12/07/2021 at 3:48pm
source on this?
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Posted By: Basquests
Date Posted: 12/08/2021 at 12:30am
I was wondering why you namechecked Hugo with TH/LYJ, then i saw your location haha.
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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 12/08/2021 at 3:32am
You must be really out of shape to take L from Dyjas. If you are top 20 and not european player. No disrespect for Jakub he can still make problems but only for EU players, his identify is like I can beat top EU player and have problems with Asian 3rd choice
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/08/2021 at 6:44am
Interesting you ask from a source from a guy who has not even tried to take back all the nonsense he said about Kanak in light of recent events. I would just take it as another example of his fantasy writing. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/25/2021 at 12:30pm
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Harimoto has been admitted to Waseda University. He will major in Human Sciences, the only major in which correspondence course/distance learning course is available. https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202112240000982.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202112240000982.html
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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 12/25/2021 at 12:54pm
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I am not fully up on Japanese universities, but isn't Waseda considered top flight? |
Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 12/25/2021 at 1:27pm
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Years ago the Japanese College all-star team would visit the USA to play events for a few weeks. One of my college teammates at the time was fluent in Japanese. He asked one of the Japanese players, who was also on the Japanese National Team, what his daily course work was like. How was it possible to be in college and on the national team at the same time. He laughed and said "My apartment is here. The college is this way to the left, my girlfriend's home and the practice hall is to the right. Everyday I wake up and go to the right." Maybe Harimoto won't have to study much being a star athlete in Japan, but who knows. |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 12/25/2021 at 3:42pm
I think is an excuse for his defeat. He never says his opponent played better. |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 12/25/2021 at 7:26pm
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Hi, Happy Holidays to All and Best Wishes for the upcoming year! As the author of this thread, a point of clarification. The "Harimoto Dream" phrase in this context is understood to be a dream of a hope for the sport. This phrase is not intended to represent a dream held by the player himself, to be superimposed upon him. I know not his aspirations. The "Harimoto Dream" is, to state with some precision, that we have the potential before us in the Table Tennis World of a player that will be able to play at or above the Chinese standard level of his era. Expressed differently: He will achieve what Waldner and Persson decades ago did, which is to be successfully competitive with the best the Chinese had to offer in their era. That is the "Harimoto Dream." "The end of" phrase is a speculation on the assumed demands of the typical major college matriculation. These assumed demands may be misplaced. On its face, it may not be what it appears to be. The new year is upon us! As to the topic of this thread, I am in a hopeful mood. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/26/2021 at 10:53am
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In Japan, Waseda is usually ranked top 3 among private institutions and from top 10 to top 20 among public and private institutions. The founders and many former/current presidents/ceos of Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, Nintendo, Casio, Square(game company), Taito(game company), Tamiya(plastic model kits), Samsung, Lotte etc. graduated there. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 12/27/2021 at 12:08pm
Waldner played a final after 2 worlds harimoto hasnt played not even a semi after 3 worlds and a olympic game despite all the hype.
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Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 12/27/2021 at 6:23pm
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it is sad that people gives him a lot of pressure when young players have different vibes girls, money, cars, clothes and rap music. We should start put pressure on Sora Matsushima, he looks very focus on game and we see Ma Long vibes in his touch shots
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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 01/02/2022 at 11:35am
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The cowboy hat is a hit with the Harimotos https://m.weibo.cn/status/4720750877738362" rel="nofollow - https://m.weibo.cn/status/4720750877738362
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 01/02/2022 at 4:07pm
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Waldner played a final after 2 worlds harimoto hasnt played not even a semi after 3 worlds and a olympic game despite all the hype. You are not in a hopeful mood.
------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: andzejgolot
Date Posted: 01/04/2022 at 5:01am
| Harimoto won't use zhang jike blue dragon so his dreams are still real. |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 04/15/2022 at 1:58pm
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As hinted by http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1125754&title=jtta-asian-games-2022-qualifier-4-910#1125754" rel="nofollow - KONNO Noboru in his entry on Uda that nearly 20 Japanese players are going overseas to play in Germany, Poland, Austria and Sweden next season, Harimoto has announced he will play in the Champions League. https://twitter.com/haritomo0627/status/1514941674849697793" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/haritomo0627/status/1514941674849697793 https://www.instagram.com/p/CcXw-feBhei/" rel="nofollow - https://www.instagram.com/p/CcXw-feBhei/ This honestly didn't come as a surprise, as Mizutani has spoken on Harimoto's 3 weaknesses and that the Japanese players are "wasting time" in the T.League. https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/150450628" rel="nofollow - https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/150450628 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/152178940" rel="nofollow - https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/152178940 ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zhuangcorp7
Date Posted: 04/15/2022 at 4:05pm
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What is the Champions League? Why is Harimoto wasting time?
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Posted By: Rinforzando
Date Posted: 04/15/2022 at 6:05pm
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Champions league is one of the best league in Europe. The best clubs of each country fight against each other ------------- Blade: DMS Deluxe carbon FH: Bomb Hammer BH: Barna Super Glanti |
Posted By: zhuangcorp7
Date Posted: 04/16/2022 at 2:24am
| So why is it waste of time to play in Champions League? |
Posted By: dajdosta
Date Posted: 04/16/2022 at 8:40am
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Not Champions League. It's all explained in the links provided.
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Posted By: zhuangcorp7
Date Posted: 04/16/2022 at 1:39pm
| Actually why doesn't Harimoto play in the China Super League? He should find the best competition over there. |
Posted By: KiwiPong
Date Posted: 04/16/2022 at 10:17pm
Maybe he isn’t invited or “allowed” to train in China since he is a big threat?
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Posted By: LongLips
Date Posted: 04/17/2022 at 4:18am
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I can't read japanese. Could you say what the 3 weaknesses are Mizutani identified? |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 04/17/2022 at 7:05am
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Hi, From the Neu-Ulm: Dima, Harimoto, Yun-Ju, Moregardh thread From my sources, the biggest news. Tomokazu Harimoto is moving to Germany He will play in the Bundesliga. He will take his university courses online. It is my understanding that Tomokazu allocated a considerable period of time to studying and preparing for the university acceptance process, with corresponding proportional drop in table tennis emphasis. The Harimoto dream is ALIVE! Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 04/17/2022 at 7:51am
| Perhaps HT spoke to Kanak post-match, and heard what moving to Germany has done for his career. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/17/2022 at 8:13am
Google Chrome can translate. One the whole, he said that Harimoto was living in a comfortable training environment with family and parents etc. He said Harimoto didn't play under enough adverse conditions and in enough competitive situations to learn how to adapt to opponents under pressure. Also, the competitive situation in the T-League wasn't good enough. I might have missed something here or there but that is the bulk of it - basically Mizutani was encouraging the up and coming Japanese to leave the country and play under more competitive and uncomfortable situations in foreign countries. Too often if things didn't go well for Harimoto, Harimoto focused too often on what was wrong with himself, rather than figuring out what to do to make his opponent more uncomfortable, and that was in Mizutani's view largely a result of not having dealt with competitive pressure in uncomfortable circumstances on a regular basis. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 04/18/2022 at 6:39pm
Interesting. This is an issue at all levels, even at the levels a lot of us are at here at MyTT. If I try to look back objectively, Mizutani's description of Harimoto's problem is how I would have described my own fundamental weakness and why it persisted (obviously, at a vastly lower level of play). The same psychology and the same constantly comfortable training environment. If you really want to get better you have to seek out environments and players you hate to play.
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 04/18/2022 at 10:00pm
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Hi, One intriguing question is who will come with him? Is it Dad? Is it Mom? Is it neither? Also, who will be his primary developmental coach? Also, his parents brought over Chinese training partners to Japan for him. Will these training partners now accompany him to Europe? A many-year prevalent thought is that the Asian systems have superior training environments than are typically found in Europe. Without passing judgment on the accuracy of the prior statement, we have proof of the opinion that Japan as Japan was insufficient for his development, thus the Chinese training partners. From this I'm betting on the European augmentation of the Chinese training partners for him. Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 05/01/2022 at 6:39pm
The Miz spewing out some TRUTH! I understand the first two disadvantages: environment is too good, and focus on self (not adjusting to opponent). But what is the third one "he will be out of order as soon as he arrives at the competition" where he also talks about "negative shell". Of course, I'm using Google Translate. Also, did Miz really say for the Japanese players it was a "waste of time" to play in the T2? The folks at T2 can't be pleased with those comments. Again, maybe something is lost in translation.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/02/2022 at 1:50am
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The third one is about how he plays below par in the majors, that he plays safe. This negative tendency is common for everyone, the bigger the tournament, but he has to break that "negative shell". He has a great potential but he has yet to break that shell. He said local players playing in the tleague.jp/" rel="nofollow - T.League is a waste of time. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/11/2022 at 6:15am
https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/48452-2022-05-05-03-38-48.html" rel="nofollow - https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/48452-2022-05-05-03-38-48.html
------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/11/2022 at 11:18am
Harimoto is familiar with the Chinese system and styles, but not with European culture and styles. It is common for many Asians (not so much Chinese), to spend some time in Europe and to further learn the game of table tennis in a "European manner". It isn't just a playing style, but rather the entire system, and how they have a lot more fun than the East. Then playing style wise, you also playing against, bigger and more stronger players that play away from the table. It is quite a cultural shock and require time to adapt and I think this will allow Harimoto to mature more.
Well, at least that is why Lin is there. |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/11/2022 at 9:32pm
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Welcome back ZApenholder, we missed you! (I used to be fatt) ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/12/2022 at 2:08am
Thank you stiltt/fatt. why the name change, when did you change haha. Yeah, been quite a few years.....
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 06/11/2022 at 5:17pm
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The (Miwa) Harimoto Dream lives on. Latest in-depth 2-part interview with Miwa's brother on the pandemic, the Champion's League, his respect for LYJ and WCQ, the rise of Togami and Yokotani, his losses to Jorgic, Dyjas and Jha, the balance between his FH and BH(and the constant struggle with his dad over that), and more. Even Miwa's brother thought last year Miwa had to wait for Los Angeles 2028 but now thinks she has a legit shot at Paris 2024 after seeing http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1124326&title=2022-t-league-individual-tournament-8-1314#1124326" rel="nofollow - she took a game from Ito . 張本智和インタビュー（前編） https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/020952.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/020952.html 張本智和インタビュー（後編） https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/020956.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/020956.html http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91465&PID=1124874&title=wtt-singapore-smash-2022-03-0703-20#1124874" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91465&PID=1124874&title=wtt-singapore-smash-2022-03-0703-20#1124874 https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1647220093/813-" rel="nofollow - https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1647220093/813-
------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 06/12/2022 at 2:55pm
Thank you so much! ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |