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Topic: WTTC Finals 2023, Durban, 5/20-28Posted By: zeio
Subject: WTTC Finals 2023, Durban, 5/20-28
Date Posted: 02/09/2023 at 2:33am
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 05/18/2023 at 9:01am
Awful draw for the Japanese women. Hayata/Nagasaki in 1st round. Miu Hirano in same quarter as them. Ito/Kihara also in the same quarter.
Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 05/18/2023 at 12:18pm
The men's draw promises of exciting match-ups and potential upsets in all quarters; especially in LJK and ML's quarter. It's gonna be very interesting.
Japan got the worst draw possible in the women singles, but who knows; maybe it's the start of one of them going on a glorious run, after all in the crucible is where diamonds are formed.
Looking forward to the mixed doubles and the men's doubles draws, there may be some surprises in the latter stages. Korea and Sweden are dark horses. Japan will show up as usual
Japan is the only team that can stop China in the Women's doubles, not sure if they can stop two pairs though.
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Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 05/18/2023 at 12:25pm
Choi Hyojoo could get another chance at CXT in the R32.
Posted By: troubadour
Date Posted: 05/18/2023 at 12:39pm
When is Joo CheonHee gonna be eligible to represent Korea??
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Posted By: Tommy16
Date Posted: 05/18/2023 at 1:32pm
pongfugrasshopper wrote:
Awful draw for the Japanese women. Hayata/Nagasaki in 1st round. Miu Hirano in same quarter as them. Ito/Kihara also in the same quarter.
No worries since this is not a full draw, just seeded players.
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Posted By: kaitenNashi
Date Posted: 05/18/2023 at 9:18pm
Considering how 'good' the JPN girls form has been it's probably a good thing that they're meeting earlier.
Kihara probably stands no chance against CM and will likely finish at R16 if she doesn't stumble earlier.
I think Ito has a better chance against CM than she does against SYS and WMY so this is arguably the 2nd best draw she could have hoped for. But that's assuming she makes it past Suthasini + Batra/Diaz, all of whom are no pushovers. IMO Ito is the most volatile of the lot and could finish anywhere between quarters/R16/R32.
Hirano has been in relatively stable form so I'd expect her to make it past Jeon Jihee, although and upset is entirely possible. Then at R16 she'll have another crack at WYD. Even if she makes it past that she'll have to contend with Hayata whom she has been losing to pretty consistently. Most likely another R16 finish for her.
Don't really expect Nagasaki to beat Hayata and Doo Hoi Kem at R16 is a tough but beatable opponent. Most likely R32 for Nagasaki and another quarters finish for Hayata unless she can finally break her chinese losing streak.
Overall Hirano/Hayata have the best chance of medaling if they play their cards right.
Ito finishing at her allotted seeding will be a small miracle at this point. She'll need an even bigger one to overcome CM.
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/19/2023 at 5:26am
Looks like Alexis will have to go throuh Darko, Jikun, Tomokazu and Felix to get to the final while Felix will need to win Dang, Zhengdong, Truls and Alexis
https://www.ittf.com/2023/05/18/ittf-world-championships-finals-2023-singles-seeds-draw-revealed/" rel="nofollow - ITTF World Championships Finals 2023 Draw Results Revealed - International Table Tennis Federation
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 05/19/2023 at 7:42am
kaitenNashi wrote:
Considering how 'good' the JPN girls form has been it's probably a good thing that they're meeting earlier.
Kihara probably stands no chance against CM and will likely finish at R16 if she doesn't stumble earlier.
I think Ito has a better chance against CM than she does against SYS and WMY so this is arguably the 2nd best draw she could have hoped for. But that's assuming she makes it past Suthasini + Batra/Diaz, all of whom are no pushovers. IMO Ito is the most volatile of the lot and could finish anywhere between quarters/R16/R32.
Hirano has been in relatively stable form so I'd expect her to make it past Jeon Jihee, although and upset is entirely possible. Then at R16 she'll have another crack at WYD. Even if she makes it past that she'll have to contend with Hayata whom she has been losing to pretty consistently. Most likely another R16 finish for her.
Don't really expect Nagasaki to beat Hayata and Doo Hoi Kem at R16 is a tough but beatable opponent. Most likely R32 for Nagasaki and another quarters finish for Hayata unless she can finally break her chinese losing streak.
Overall Hirano/Hayata have the best chance of medaling if they play their cards right.
Ito finishing at her allotted seeding will be a small miracle at this point. She'll need an even bigger one to overcome CM.
This is a decent draw for Mima Ito to get back into the Paris 2024 race. She's favored to make a QF and could possibly even make a SF. I kind of feel that if Hirano were to pull off another upset and beat WYD again, then that would normally be enough to win the quarter, but in this case she would possibly have to face Hayata. And the crazy thing is that even if she beat WYD, she wouldn't get Paris points for beating a top 3 CNT player because WYD is WR#4. Aside from Nagasaki, Hirano has the toughest road. I was looking for Szocs to pull off another miracle, but it looks like even if that happened, it wouldn't help any of the Japanese women as they are in different quarters. In fact, poor Bernie is stuck in the quarter that has two CNT players.
Posted By: apacible
Date Posted: 05/19/2023 at 2:47pm
pongfugrasshopper wrote:
Awful draw for the Japanese women. Hayata/Nagasaki in 1st round. Miu Hirano in same quarter as them. Ito/Kihara also in the same quarter.
I looked back at the draw at the 2021 WTTC, and the draw for the Japanese Women's in this year's WTTC nearly mirrors that of the 2021 WTTC. In both instances, 2 Japanese Women were in CM's quarter and 3 Japanese Women were in WYD's quarter.
WYD's Quarter
2023 Nagasaki got Shibata's 2021 WTTC draw-> face a Japanese player in the R32
2023 Hirano got Hayata's 2021 WTTC draw-> face WYD in the R16
2023 Hayata got Ito's 2021 WTTC draw-> face a Japanese player in the R32 and WYD in the QF
CM's Quarter
2023 Kihara got Hirano's 2021 WTTC draw-> face CM in the R16
2023 Ito got Ishikawa's 2021 WTTC draw-> face CM in the QF
The Japanese Women can't really complain though since the Japanese Men have it much worse. 2 Japanese men are in LJK's quarter while 3 Japanese Men are in WCQ's sixteenth (R32)!
Interestingly, in this year's WTTC, Togami and Ito also got the same opponents for their first matches as with the 2021 WTTC. Togami's first opponent is Tomas Polansky (CZE) again. Ito, on the other hand, got Zauresh Akasheva again (KAZ) (short pips BH) who happens to be Ito's fan. Maybe Ito will get some https://youtu.be/Wa1zSpGkX-s" rel="nofollow - Kazakhstan chocolate after the match again . :))
Posted By: apacible
Date Posted: 05/19/2023 at 3:41pm
Both Miyu Kato and Jin Ueda did an interview with BUTTERFLY Japan previewing the 2023 WTTC and its players from their perspectives as active professional players. Miyu Kato talked about Women's Singles and Doubles while Jin Ueda talked about Men's Singles, Men's Doubles, and Mixed Doubles.
Miyu Kato Part 1- Chinese Players: https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022452.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022452.html
Miyu Kato Part 2- Japanese Players and others: https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022462.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022462.html
Jin Ueda Part 1- Chinese Players and other: https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022450.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022450.html
Jin Ueda Part 2- Japanese Players: https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022456.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022456.html
Jin Ueda Part 3- Men's Doubles: https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022463.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022463.html
Jin Ueda Part 4- Mixed Doubles: https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022464.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022464.html
Some Highlights:
Kato
She considers SYS, WMY, CM to be at a tier above that of WYD and CXT. She says that compared to the former 3 players, the latter 2 aren't as stable against defense and "special" playing styles. She feels CM stability in the power rallies is the best among Chinese players, so you can only defeat her by breaking through with serve and receive. (which Kato believes was the reason she was able to beat her in the 2019 T2 Diamond Malaysia)
For Japanese players, she highlights Hirano's improvements especially in defense and thinks that she has been in good form lately. She still thinks that Ito poses the greatest challenge to Chinese players amongst the Japanese players selected for WTTC but is concerned about Ito's current condition. She also mentions Han Ying, CIC, Polcanova, Diaz, Sawettabut, Shin Yubin, Batra and Lily Zhang as players to watch out for. She also said Ni Xialian's playing style may be scary for other Asian Players, but not for Japanese players who are generally adept at playing against this style.
For Women's Doubles, she says there seems to be a slight gap between China and Japan's doubles pairs when compared to the rest of the world. However, she highlights JJH/SYB as a strong and stable pair not from China or Japan. You can read the full articles at the links above to see Kato's full comments for each of the Chinese, Japanese, and Rest of the World players.
Ueda
He observes that WCQ seems strong against ML, ML seems strong against FZD, and FZD seems strong against WCQ, so he's interested how the draw plays out. He feels ML has proven his strength and mentality in the WTTC and Olympic stage, so he would like to see if FZD can cross the "ML wall" and beat him on a stage bigger than the World Tour. He mentions Moregard, the Lebrun brothers, LYJ, Jorgic, QD, Lim Jong-hoon, Calderano and Kallberg as players to watch out for.
For Japanese players, he has a hunch that Harimoto will do well this WTTC. He also observes that Togami has difficulty against left-handers (Note: he could face WCQ in the R64). Interestingly, he feels that the contenders for the Men's doubles championship will likely be among the seeded players and believes that there will be less upsets in Men's Doubles than Men's Singles. For Mixed Doubles, he favors WCQ/SYS and Harimoto/Hayata to meet in the finals and calls them the two strongest pairs in the WTTC. He feels LSD/KM is the third strongest pair with a decent chance to make the final. He also mentions LJH/SYB and Uda/Kihara as the other noteworthy pairs. You can read the full articles at the links above to see Ueda's full comments for each of the Chinese, Japanese, and Rest of the World players.
Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 05/19/2023 at 10:51pm
Just saw the USA Women's draws: Lily Zhang vs. Linda Bergstrom (Sweden) Bad draw for Lily, not strong against chop. Amy Wang vs. Audrey Zarif (France) This could be interesting. Sarah Jalli vs. Hina Hayata (Japan) A bridge too far.
Posted By: kaitenNashi
Date Posted: 05/20/2023 at 2:09am
I don't really fancy Szocs chances at upsetting CXT again given China's history of hyper analyzing opponents who they've lost to. Szocs needs to get past an in-form CIC to reach CXT anyway and I don't think she's the favourite in that matchup.
Hirano has a tricky first-round opponent in Zeng Jian who just won the SEA games championships after beating Orawan and Suthasini who have been dominating the region in recent years. That same Orawan took two games off Ishikawa at the Olympics and will likely face Kihara in the second round.
Suh Hyo Won has the potential to upset Doo Hoi Kem again in R32, but that's provided she makes it past Bruna Takahashi and Karoline Mischek/Solomiya Bratekyo. These days it feels like Suh could lose against anybody.
It's already 2023 and no sign of Yui Hamamoto in Austrian colours anywhere. Did she change her nationality for nothing? Kinda tired of watching Amelie Solja being a sitting duck at the table.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/20/2023 at 3:39am
Catching up. Still http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1135671" rel="nofollow - bothered by golfer's elbow , DHK will focus on the XD along with WCT, more so after the excellent XD draw.
Still haven't isolated the root cause of pain, LYJ has decided to withdraw from MD and focus on MS/XD. After being administered a PRP injection, he can swing at 60%-70% only on his FH as it still hurts when swinging at 100%.
CCY, bothered by chronic cervical herniated disc, has recovered 70% and will pair with the 18-year-old Kao Cheng-Jui instead in MD.
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 05/20/2023 at 6:44am
Omar with the nice 1-3 comeback, and looks like Lily is gonna lose to another chopper yet again
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Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 05/20/2023 at 6:51am
lily is getting f**ked in the butt by Linda with her paddle. Poor girl needs to train exclusively with a chopper for the next few months.
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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 05/20/2023 at 7:00am
All 5 choppers will be in the second round.
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Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 05/20/2023 at 7:05am
I'm liking this Alfred Dela Pena kid against Liang. He's performing much better than I expected.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/20/2023 at 7:17am
Kao Cheng-Jui/CCY 1-3 Lebrun^2
zeio wrote:
Still haven't isolated the root cause of pain, LYJ has decided to withdraw from MD and focus on MS/XD. After being administered a PRP injection, he can swing at 60%-70% only on his FH as it still hurts when swinging at 100%.
CCY, bothered by chronic cervical herniated disc, has recovered 70% and will pair with the 18-year-old Kao Cheng-Jui instead in MD.
Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 12:52am
Kallberg vs Olah was intense. I was rooting for the former but the latter was able to take his chances and take the match. Backhand seems to be even more important than forehand these days
Posted By: kaitenNashi
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 3:01am
Yuan Jia Nan survives a scare against Debora Vivarelli of Italy in R128.
YJN has been losing a bit more lately so I thought she might stumble before her allotted seeding position but still didn't think that she would struggle that badly after winning the first two games easily.
Debora won two tight games and managed to level things at 10-10 in the 6th before YJN's experience showed. Terrific player to watch with an extremely effective style but I think opponents can get used to her game over time since she lacks variation and gears.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 4:47am
aerial wrote:
Kallberg vs Olah was intense. I was rooting for the former but the latter was able to take his chances and take the match. Backhand seems to be even more important than forehand these days
I didnt watch the match but am extremely familiar with both their games, all I can say is that any such result to me says more about Kallberg than Olah. But if Olah makes the round of 16 or something, then I may revise that.
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Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 4:54am
Alamian out due to injury sad
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 4:58am
liulin04 wrote:
Alamian out due to injury sad
Yeah, he injured himself while playing a point winning loop. He looks more like his brother now lol.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 5:55am
kaitenNashi wrote:
Hirano has a tricky first-round opponent in Zeng Jian who just won the SEA games championships after beating Orawan and Suthasini who have been dominating the region in recent years. That same Orawan took two games off Ishikawa at the Olympics and will likely face Kihara in the second round.
Hirano must've read this. She couldn't stop smiling throughout the match.
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 7:24am
zeio wrote:
kaitenNashi wrote:
Hirano has a tricky first-round opponent in Zeng Jian who just won the SEA games championships after beating Orawan and Suthasini who have been dominating the region in recent years. That same Orawan took two games off Ishikawa at the Olympics and will likely face Kihara in the second round.
Hirano must've read this. She couldn't stop smiling throughout the match.
Hirano: Tricky...
Nakazawa: ...
Totally pwnage by Hirano. Well done Miu
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 7:27am
First seeded player out. Polcanova 3-4 Madarasz. Winter gonna reach the QF now? What a waste of the good draw.
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 8:59am
US women pretty much done in singles and I think US men as well. England only has Drinkhall left but I think he is clearly the favorite vs his Nigerian opponent.
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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 10:39am
Next US matches:
Women's doubles round of 32:
Wang/Sung vs Szocs/Polcanova
Mixed doubles round of 32:
Wang/Kumar vs Thakkar/Kamath
Zhang/Liang vs Mittelham/Qiu
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 11:30am
zeio wrote:
Aruna is peaking. R16 is highly likely if he can keep this up. Ionescu played well. Aruna 3-1 -> 4-2 O Ionescu
Taiwo Mati 0-2 -> 4-2 Jancarik
Aruna has a really strong draw. Bundesliga guys with Ionescu, Robles and Gauzy. If he makes this, it will be more impressive than his QF showing in Houston even if it doesn't look like it.
This is a huge win for Mati, he is the current future of Nigerian/African TT though his forehand is much stronger than his backhand (what is new). The lefty dimension though will give Nigeria balance if we can develop one more star player.
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 1:38pm
Coming ahead, LebrunF - Kao Cheng-Jui
It was so close the http://youtube.com/watch?v=5iiYzhKTLwg" rel="nofollow - last time they played -11-9 in the decider- and it's going to be all or nothing for the 2 upcoming stars.
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 1:49pm
LebrunA's next opponent Ibrahima DIAW is a French player of Senegal descent. He learned everything in France and is a regular in the French league. The double citizenship allowed him to play for Senegal in the WTTC but the match will really be France v. France.
It is interesting to note that Ibrahima pays tribute to Toriola for making his 1st big breakthrough when he played and won an essential match replacing the injured Nigerian https://olympics.com/en/news/ibrahima-iba-diaw-senegal-table-tennis-star" rel="nofollow - Meet Ibrahima Diaw - could he be Africa's next big table tennis star? (olympics.com) . The ancient who could play anyway gave his shot to the young gun at an important moment, too cool!
Posted By: KiwiPong
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 2:12pm
Must be a new tactic to have a constant smile on her face. Perhaps she was taught to do so to keep her mental strength strong and spirit high. However it def caught me off guard. Reminds me of the creepy movie Smile
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 3:35pm
Afanador eliminates #6 seed Calderano!
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 4:17pm
Kaufmann 3-0 -> 4-3 Sarah Hanffou
Kozul 3-1 -> 4-3 Oikawa JTTA: How did our selection system fail so bad? Currently #3 R Yoshiyama, #5 Tanaka and #9 Uda: ...
S Sawettabut 4-3 Surjan
Calderano 2-1 -> 2-4 Afanador https://worldtabletennis.com/MatchCenter?eventId=2695&docCode=TTEMSINGLES-----------RND1000900----------&type=official" rel="nofollow - Afanador 2-3 CDS at WTT SCT Bangkok 2023 was a warning sign.
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 7:29pm
amateur wrote:
Afanador eliminates #6 seed Calderano!
Happy for Brian but Hugo remains a head scratcher.
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Posted By: kaitenNashi
Date Posted: 05/21/2023 at 10:31pm
Hirano played with more flavour that is hardly seen in modern table tennis these days. Taking her time to get into the rallies and finding the right opportunity to add controlled pace and spin instead of trying to blast the ball at every opportunity.
http://https://youtu.be/muNgwOi7YiU" rel="nofollow - Her voice on the other hand... Hope she doesn't have a flu that could take her out of the tournament
Izaac Quek played amazing against LYJ but the latter's long serve to the backhand was too much in the end. Koen Pang also nearly upset Jang Woojin but fizzled out in the 7th.
Wong Xinru was probably SGP's MVP of the day, probably being the only local-born player in recent history to clear the first round of the world championships in all 3 events. This included a win over http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szj4wxANNxY" rel="nofollow - Ema Labosova who played some dangerous shots againt Mima Ito a hard time in WTTC 2022 as well as a victory over veterans Yu Fu and Shao Jieni in women's doubles.
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Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 3:39am
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 5:24am
M Diaz forfeits. Nagasaki advances to R32.
Pang Yew En Koen/Wong Xin Ru 3-0 Ishiy/Takahashi (seed #11)
WCT/DHK (seed #6) 3-2 Ecseki/Madarasz G5 30, 55, TO for WCT/DHK, 56, 66, 67, 77, 87, 89, 109, 1011, 1311 Madarasz didn't beat Polcanova for nothing.
Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 6:55am
Melanie Diaz injured? so many injuries this wttc
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 7:02am
ML stole a point from Eugene. LOL https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92994&PID=1140458&title=wtt-champions-macao-2023-4-1723#1140458" rel="nofollow - Deja vu?
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 7:16am
Just exactly what is the WTTC Finals? Is this the WTTC that we had every two years prior to this stupid WTT thing? Or is this something totally different from the WTTC?
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Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 8:13am
zeio wrote:
ML stole a point from Eugene. LOL https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92994&PID=1140458&title=wtt-champions-macao-2023-4-1723#1140458" rel="nofollow - Deja vu?
Akkuzu/Lbesson 2-0 -> 2-3 JWJ/LJH (seed #2)
ML didn't steal, he just kept his mouth shut and let the umpire decide ☺️
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 8:50am
Ovtcharov/Franziska 1-2 -> 3-2 HKK/WCT
Hirano 0-1 -> 3-1 -> 4-2 Kaufmann Harder than expected. Hirano turned to the shovel backspin serve and played tried-and-tested 防反/defense-counter after losing more in the topspin rallies and Kaufmann couldn't read that well.
Madarasz 0-4 Kukulkova
Charlotte Lutz vs CIC G1 810, 1210 G2 41, 42, 52, 53, 73, 75, 85, 105, 109 TO for Lutz, 119 G3 04, 24, 25, 35, 46, 66 TO for CIC, 611 G4 08, 19, 29, 211 G5 01, 31, 33, 53, 54, 64, 66, 76, 77, 87, 810, 1110, 1112, 1212, 1214 G6 31, 33, 53, 54, 55 Lutz served into the net, 56, 66, 611 The 18-year-old started playing senior event last year.
Posted By: turbozed
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 9:49am
aerial wrote:
zeio wrote:
ML stole a point from Eugene. LOL https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92994&PID=1140458&title=wtt-champions-macao-2023-4-1723#1140458" rel="nofollow - Deja vu?
Akkuzu/Lbesson 2-0 -> 2-3 JWJ/LJH (seed #2)
ML didn't steal, he just kept his mouth shut and let the umpire decide ☺️
That's some pretty shitty sportsmanship from ML tbh. Do you really gotta be dishonest against WR #84 player who you know you'll destroy in the next 4 games anyway? Denied Wong a great "took a game off ML" story. Can't look at him the same after that.
Posted By: kaitenNashi
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:01am
Eugene hit the table from the outside and the ball trajectory went down. Looks like an obvious side to me.
Hirano is still wiping her nose between games. Is she really down with something?
Kaufmann has some cool tomahawk serves and seems like a player with more potential than Mittelham.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:07am
Posted By: turbozed
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:14am
kaitenNashi wrote:
Eugene hit the table from the outside and the ball trajectory went down. Looks like an obvious side to me.
Hirano is still wiping her nose between games. Is she really down with something?
Kaufmann has some cool tomahawk serves and seems like a player with more potential than Mittelham.
Watch it again. The ball hits the edge and travels another 5 feet past the table. There's absolutely no way that happens on a side ball and everybody in the building knew it.
Posted By: turbozed
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:19am
Here's a video capture of it: https://i.imgur.com/rYTGfn7.mp4" rel="nofollow - https://i.imgur.com/rYTGfn7.mp4
There's no arguing this imo. Clear as day.
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:20am
turbozed wrote:
kaitenNashi wrote:
Eugene hit the table from the outside and the ball trajectory went down. Looks like an obvious side to me.
Hirano is still wiping her nose between games. Is she really down with something?
Kaufmann has some cool tomahawk serves and seems like a player with more potential than Mittelham.
Watch it again. The ball hits the edge and travels another 5 feet past the table. There's absolutely no way that happens on a side ball and everybody in the building knew it.
I like the fact that someone can see what the umpire saw. Because those calls are tricky and Ma Long was not really in a position to see it. But the ball clearly doesn't go down the way it would on a side.
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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:22am
Definitely an edge ball. CNT's policy is not to argue with the umpire. But if ML had agreed that it were an edge ball, the umpire would have given the point to Eugene.
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Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:28am
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Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:35am
turbozed wrote:
Here's a video capture of it: https://i.imgur.com/rYTGfn7.mp4" rel="nofollow - https://i.imgur.com/rYTGfn7.mp4
There's no arguing this imo. Clear as day.
I wouldn't call it clear as day. I'd say 50-50
The camera angle also doesn't clearly make it seen whether or not Eugene hit it inside the table or outside the table. Inside then yes, it is edge, but outside, still 50-50. Ultimately, the umpire decides.
Posted By: turbozed
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:37am
There's no way in hell that ML didn't know for an absolute fact that that was an edge ball. He's got the best view of the ball and even the relatively opinionless commentators were shocked by the call.
Is it too much to expect some integrity and honesty from the greatest player of all time? For most of us playing casually, we have to keep our own score and call our own opponent's edge balls. Do we really want to make excuses for this "see no evil" approach in this sport?
Just my opinion, but I'd rather take 100 screaming Harimotos than this sort of behavior. I couldn't see him, or anyone on the Japanese national team for that matter, stooping this low (not making this a nationality thing, it's just I watch a lot of Team Japan).
Posted By: kaitenNashi
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:48am
XD R32 Gauzy / Pavade 3:2 Yuan / Lebesson
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Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:54am
turbozed wrote:
There's no way in hell that ML didn't know for an absolute fact that that was an edge ball. He's got the best view of the ball and even the relatively opinionless commentators were shocked by the call.
Is it too much to expect some integrity and honesty from the greatest player of all time? For most of us playing casually, we have to keep our own score and call our own opponent's edge balls. Do we really want to make excuses for this "see no evil" approach in this sport?
Just my opinion, but I'd rather take 100 screaming Harimotos than this sort of behavior. I couldn't see him, or anyone on the Japanese national team for that matter, stooping this low (not making this a nationality thing, it's just I watch a lot of Team Japan).
Ehh... not buying it for this rally--the one with Pitchford, yes that point was stolen
but this one vs Eugene was 50-50, and, like I said, ultimately the it's the umpires job.
I think you should have a qualm with the umpire, not Ma Long :)
Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 10:57am
liulin04 wrote:
Just exactly what is the WTTC Finals? Is this the WTTC that we had every two years prior to this stupid WTT thing? Or is this something totally different from the WTTC?
This change started in 2021 due to COVID, with the field limited to 128 singles players and 64 doubles pairs in the individual editions, and 32 teams in the team editions. There are some continental & regional qualifying tournaments.
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 11:17am
turbozed wrote:
Just my opinion, but I'd rather take 100 screaming Harimotos than this sort of behavior.
100 screaming Harimotos? https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/is-harimotos-screams-disrespectful-to-the-opponent.24405/post-329257" rel="nofollow - You are strong.
Posted By: turbozed
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 11:36am
zeio wrote:
turbozed wrote:
Just my opinion, but I'd rather take 100 screaming Harimotos than this sort of behavior.
100 screaming Harimotos? https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/is-harimotos-screams-disrespectful-to-the-opponent.24405/post-329257" rel="nofollow - You are strong.
Okay out of all the statements I've made, that one I admit I might have went a bit too far with.
The rest I'm sticking with though.
Posted By: avova
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 11:48am
turbozed wrote:
There's no way in hell that ML didn't know for an absolute fact that that was an edge ball. He's got the best view of the ball and even the relatively opinionless commentators were shocked by the call.
Is it too much to expect some integrity and honesty from the greatest player of all time? For most of us playing casually, we have to keep our own score and call our own opponent's edge balls. Do we really want to make excuses for this "see no evil" approach in this sport?
Just my opinion, but I'd rather take 100 screaming Harimotos than this sort of behavior. I couldn't see him, or anyone on the Japanese national team for that matter, stooping this low (not making this a nationality thing, it's just I watch a lot of Team Japan).
Half the time ML served illegally (covering the ball with his head/shoulder/etc). And you expect him to call an edge?
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 12:16pm
avova wrote:
turbozed wrote:
There's no way in hell that ML didn't know for an absolute fact that that was an edge ball. He's got the best view of the ball and even the relatively opinionless commentators were shocked by the call.
Is it too much to expect some integrity and honesty from the greatest player of all time? For most of us playing casually, we have to keep our own score and call our own opponent's edge balls. Do we really want to make excuses for this "see no evil" approach in this sport?
Just my opinion, but I'd rather take 100 screaming Harimotos than this sort of behavior. I couldn't see him, or anyone on the Japanese national team for that matter, stooping this low (not making this a nationality thing, it's just I watch a lot of Team Japan).
Half the time ML served illegally (covering the ball with his head/shoulder/etc). And you expect him to call an edge?
90% of the time, all serves are someway illegal.
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Posted By: KiwiPong
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 12:37pm
kaitenNashi wrote:
Eugene hit the table from the outside and the ball trajectory went down. Looks like an obvious side to me.
Hirano is still wiping her nose between games. Is she really down with something?
Kaufmann has some cool tomahawk serves and seems like a player with more potential than Mittelham.
Hirano has chronic sinus allergy and she always has a plastic bag to put in her many used tissues. If you ever watch her many precious matches she does this all the time. However maybe she is still feeling a bit unwell but regardless she’s winning so far. I’m rooting for her
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 1:15pm
WCQ/SYS 3-1 Badowski/Bajor G2 65, 69, 89 TO for Badowski/Bajor, 119 G4 37, 97, 98 TO for WCQ/SYS, 108, 109, 119 The Polish pair has earned themselves a spot on the Great Wall of Opponents for Paris 2024.
Kozul 3-1 -> 4-3 Oikawa JTTA: How did our selection system fail so bad? Currently #3 R Yoshiyama, #5 Tanaka and #9 Uda: ...
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 1:16pm
KiwiPong wrote:
kaitenNashi wrote:
Eugene hit the table from the outside and the ball trajectory went down. Looks like an obvious side to me.
Hirano is still wiping her nose between games. Is she really down with something?
Kaufmann has some cool tomahawk serves and seems like a player with more potential than Mittelham.
Hirano has chronic sinus allergy and she always has a plastic bag to put in her many used tissues. If you ever watch her many precious matches she does this all the time. However maybe she is still feeling a bit unwell but regardless she’s winning so far. I’m rooting for her
Precious matches? Are you a Hirano lover?
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 1:19pm
aerial wrote:
Melanie Diaz injured? so many injuries this wttc
Even without injury it wouldnt be a diffrence.
Posted By: KiwiPong
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 2:02pm
mykonos96 wrote:
KiwiPong wrote:
kaitenNashi wrote:
Eugene hit the table from the outside and the ball trajectory went down. Looks like an obvious side to me.
Hirano is still wiping her nose between games. Is she really down with something?
Kaufmann has some cool tomahawk serves and seems like a player with more potential than Mittelham.
Hirano has chronic sinus allergy and she always has a plastic bag to put in her many used tissues. If you ever watch her many precious matches she does this all the time. However maybe she is still feeling a bit unwell but regardless she’s winning so far. I’m rooting for her
Precious matches? Are you a Hirano lover?
Lol typo! I meant to say, previous!
I’m just a fan, who also is a girl
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/22/2023 at 2:21pm
First seeded player out. Polcanova 3-4 Madarasz. Winter gonna reach the QF now? What a waste of the good draw.
Kumar/Wang 3-2 Thakkar/Kamath WCT/DHK next for R16.
Pavade 2-1 -> 2-4 Samara
Dyjas/Nuytinck 2-3 Kubik/Kulczycki
O Ionescu/Szocs 1-3 Uda/Kihara
Bouloussa 3-2 -> 3-4 LJH G7 20 TO for LJH, 23 TO Bouloussa, 37, 67, 69, 79, 710, 810, 811 A surprise to see so many youtube viewers not being aware of Diaw and Bouloussa.
CDS/Kim Nayeong 1-2 -> 3-2 Wang Zhen/Zhang Mo G5 51, 106, 109, 119
There's no way in hell that ML didn't know for an absolute fact that that was an edge ball. He's got the best view of the ball and even the relatively opinionless commentators were shocked by the call.
Is it too much to expect some integrity and honesty from the greatest player of all time? For most of us playing casually, we have to keep our own score and call our own opponent's edge balls. Do we really want to make excuses for this "see no evil" approach in this sport?
Just my opinion, but I'd rather take 100 screaming Harimotos than this sort of behavior. I couldn't see him, or anyone on the Japanese national team for that matter, stooping this low (not making this a nationality thing, it's just I watch a lot of Team Japan).
you seem very biased. First of all ML was on his BH side and the ball hit the edge or corner on his FH side. And why would ML cheat even if it meant that game? Eugene isn't a serious threat.
Posted By: Shifu
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 5:06am
tom wrote:
turbozed wrote:
There's no way in hell that ML didn't know for an absolute fact that that was an edge ball. He's got the best view of the ball and even the relatively opinionless commentators were shocked by the call.
Is it too much to expect some integrity and honesty from the greatest player of all time? For most of us playing casually, we have to keep our own score and call our own opponent's edge balls. Do we really want to make excuses for this "see no evil" approach in this sport?
Just my opinion, but I'd rather take 100 screaming Harimotos than this sort of behavior. I couldn't see him, or anyone on the Japanese national team for that matter, stooping this low (not making this a nationality thing, it's just I watch a lot of Team Japan).
you seem very biased. First of all ML was on his BH side and the ball hit the edge or corner on his FH side. And why would ML cheat even if it meant that game? Eugene isn't a serious threat.
To me it looks like side.
So it’s NOT that obvious.
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 6:06am
Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 10:37am
I am a big fan of Eugene Wang but that looked like a side to me. Thankfully it didn't affect the outcome of the match.
Also at a certain level everyone is serving illegally. Table tennis is truly the sport that embraces the saying "If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying hard enough."
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 11:32am
pongfugrasshopper wrote:
I kind of feel that if Hirano were to pull off another upset and beat WYD again, then that would normally be enough to win the quarter, but in this case she would possibly have to face Hayata. And the crazy thing is that even if she beat WYD, she wouldn't get Paris points for beating a top 3 CNT player because WYD is WR#4. Aside from Nagasaki, Hirano has the toughest road.
WYD is back to WR3 today after the points for WTTC 2021 expires.
Posted By: balldance
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 12:27pm
don’t look at where it hit the table because it’s impossible to be sure with this angle, but look at the way the ball flying a long distance after hitting the table, I can say it’s 90% an edge. Ma Long possibly knew it, not from the hitting point, but the trajectory, but it’s game point of the first game and Wang was playing well, I can understand if ML decided not to admit it. In a major event like this, you can’t underestimate anyone. It’s not like ML was leading 3-0 or something.
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 1:00pm
What would a player with ML's prestige, reputation, and experience gain from cheating EW out of a point (thus a game)? Those making accusation against ML are not thinking clearly and might even be reflecting their own ethics in a similar situation.
Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 1:32pm
The ball had too much of a direct downward trajectory for anybody to definitively say it was not a "side", likewise the ball was contacted by Eugene close enough to outside the sideline to make "side" a very real possibility. Anybody saying it was definitively an edge clearly has a bias to the situation.
Any instances of sportsmanship in the past we've seen where both players correct an umpires mistaken call involve a play that was beyond any doubt. This is not the case here.
Also notable that the biggest proponent of Ma Long being a dirty cheater in this thread is now crying in the YouTube chat about Franziska benefiting from "affirmative action for white people" since he got to play a relatively easy opponent in the R64 (Xavier Dixon, who won his R128 match thus earning his spot in R64...).
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 1:35pm
What a noise for an edge ball in a match that Ma Long would have won while blindfolded.
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Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 1:40pm
kakapo wrote:
What a noise for an edge ball in a match that Ma Long would have won while blindfolded.
Interesting comment considering that it happened when Ma Long was down game point 12-13 in the first game.
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 1:45pm
Pavade/Gauzy 3-2 QD/Mittelham G3 96, 98 TO for Pavade/Gauzy, 911 G5 30 TO for QD/Mittelham, 60, 64, 74, 76, 106, 107, 117
FZD/WCQ 2-0 -> 3-2 Lebrun^2 G1 60, 62, 72, 74, 84, 87, 97, 117 G2 20 service fault for A Lebrun, 50, 51, 61, 62, 82, 83, 103, 105, 115 G3 33, 34, 54 TO for Lebrun^2, 74, 79, 89, 811 G4 40, 42, 52, 54, 74, 76 TO for FZD/WCQ, 86, 96, 911 G5 10, 20 argument over the point, 30, 31, 41, 42, 62, 67, 117
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/23/2023 at 2:23pm
Too many good players in a row - Robles played very well.
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