How to create high balls
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Topic: How to create high balls
Posted By: ikellea
Subject: How to create high balls
Date Posted: 03/02/2023 at 12:27pm
| Hi, I am not sure the correct wording of the term for "inducing your opponent to pop the ball, or do high slow pushes". I was reading a forum in 2009 and someone posted: "I've finally gotten to the point where I can consistently induce my opponents to pop the ball up and/or send back some fairly slowish, high pushes.". They said this leads to easy smash kills or loop kills. He/she didn't really explain further other than stating that. I am wondering if there is a particular serve that will help create this sort of situation? Also, is there any way to create this sort of situation in a rally? |
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/02/2023 at 12:56pm
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Most commonly by using spin/no-spin serve combination. Typically, you serve a medium to heavy backspin ball on your first service, then follow up with a no-spin serve. The idea is to make the difference of the two serves big enough so that your opponent misjudges the amount of spin. It is not limited to service and can be applied on all types of shots. Look up looper vs chopper matches. The chopper often uses spin/no-spin pushes and chops to induce pop-ups from the looper. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 03/02/2023 at 4:24pm
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The other way is sidetopspin serves, ppl pop that up all the time too. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/02/2023 at 4:51pm
That's actually the primary way - side topspin serves designed to look like backspin serves. The no-spin serves designed to look like backspin serves are the second. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Joola Vyzaryz Trinity FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
blahness wrote:Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 03/02/2023 at 7:00pm
But really once you go a bit higher level, ppl will read the spin and stop popping them up so you're back to square one 
You also mentioned "in a rally" - one of the most common ways to cause ppl to pop things up for easy kills is a real high quality spin rich opening topspin loop. That is usually even more effective than sidetopspin serves in terms of getting ppl to pop those :) ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/03/2023 at 2:51am
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If the other player is new to the sport, even a topspin serve works. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/03/2023 at 3:06am
I can find video where Ma Long gets Zhang Jike to pop up short topspin, everything is relative to level of the players playing each other. https://youtu.be/CsujsROPXE4?t=31 https://youtu.be/CsujsROPXE4?t=156 When Hao Shuai played the NA Teams in 2013 I think, one of the hilarious things was watching 2500+ players looking like they had no clue on serve return. The story was that the teammates of Hao Shuai on the university team he came with had to be told what Hao Shuai was serving in practice for the drill to go smoothly. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Joola Vyzaryz Trinity FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 03/03/2023 at 9:10pm
Yep if you have good disguised serves ppl are gonna pop the sidetopspin serves. Tbh I also serve with full grip like Hao Shuai - he definitely is one of the best servers on the circuit. I think that has now been usurped by Wang Chuqin. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: ikellea
Date Posted: 03/04/2023 at 11:06pm
Is there a particular reason backspin is used? Also, should the serve be short or deep to the opponents side? I am a bit confused on the looper vs chopper example. Does the chopper use these spin/no spin pushes to create setup finishes against the looper? or is the looper doing this to finish points against the chopper?
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Posted By: ikellea
Date Posted: 03/04/2023 at 11:07pm
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Posted By: ikellea
Date Posted: 03/04/2023 at 11:09pm
Is this sort of a pendulum serve with more top spin?
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Posted By: ikellea
Date Posted: 03/04/2023 at 11:10pm
Will try this. is this because top spin causes the ball to go up while underspin causes the ball to go down?
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 03/05/2023 at 4:18am
Yes... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 03/05/2023 at 4:18am
Yes to this too.... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |