Major League Table Tennis (MLTT) in USA
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Topic: Major League Table Tennis (MLTT) in USA
Posted By: Lem496
Subject: Major League Table Tennis (MLTT) in USA
Date Posted: 03/31/2023 at 6:35am
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It’s finally happening, professional Table Tennis is coming to the USA https://mltt.com/" rel="nofollow - https://mltt.com/
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Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 04/02/2023 at 5:46am
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I don't foresee the income will attract that many high level international players. But definitely do hope to see this expand to incorporate even more teams from other cities ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 04/02/2023 at 6:03am
| That depends, the owners may be able to pay "out of pocket" for international players and forego a draft pick. We will have to wait and see when the rules are published. |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 04/02/2023 at 6:26am
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So it's almost like T1 from jtta and the format is like a nba? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 04/02/2023 at 10:47am
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The Goose Island Traveling Table Tennis Club is considering becoming an owner in this new league. We have the ability to create a unique situation that would provide a strong incentive for both players and spectators to come to our matches. We would play our home matches on some of the best picnic tables in the US at some of the finest National Parks. Summer matches would be played at Sequoia and Redwoods National Parks. The promotion slogan would be "Come see the big trees and big time table tennis". Spring and fall matches would be held at Big Bend National Park. "Two paddles for the price of one. Raft the Rio Grande and then watch world class table tennis." would lure in the spectators. Winter matches would be held at Death Valley. There we could promote "No sandpaper, but lots of sand. Enjoy world class table tennis and world class scenery." Of course our team kit would be official Mountain Man Table Tennis Wear featuring hiking cargo pants, long sleeve hiking shirt, hiking boot style table tennis shoes, and the trademark wide brimmed hat. What do you guys think? Is there a place in this new league for the Goose Island Travelling Table Tennis Club? Let me know what you think. Mark - Who will be evaluating draft choices on both their TT skills and ability to start a campfire in the rain and cook a good meal over it.
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/03/2023 at 1:27am
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That is the most elaborate April's fool joke I have ever seen. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 04/03/2023 at 6:16am
| yep |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 04/03/2023 at 7:22am
| I think it's great that someone's trying to set up a pro league in the United States. I hope it succeeds. |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 04/03/2023 at 8:49pm
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Uh-Oh, so it's for real??? I am sorry... BRAVO!!! May the table tennis gods be with MLTT and help tracing a clear path for table tennis glory in the United States. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: TampaBayTableTennis
Date Posted: 04/03/2023 at 9:03pm
| The MLTT looks awesome! There is an AMA tomorrow at 8pm EST with the CEO Flint Lane on Reddit in r/TableTennis. |
Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 04/03/2023 at 9:08pm
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Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 04/04/2023 at 12:30am
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wait, so is this for real or an April Fool's joke? Because if it is a AF joke, I expected it to be dated on 4/1, not 3/31 ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/04/2023 at 1:44am
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It's for real. Flint Lane is a successful businessman and the owner of the Princeton Pong table tennis club. Let's see how far he can take it. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 04/04/2023 at 8:08pm
If women's soccer can attract that kind of money, surely table tennis should be able to succeed too (or maybe not...)Sixth Street commits $125mn to buy new US women’s football clubGroup will be first institutional investor to become majority owner of professional US sports franchise https://www.ft.com/content/4c07e452-9884-4ddc-9c29-1cfbfafaf634" rel="nofollow - https://www.ft.com/content/4c07e452-9884-4ddc-9c29-1cfbfafaf634
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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/23/2023 at 10:39am
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Major League Table Tennis is here for real! The season starts September 15-17 in Daytona Beach, FL. Schedule, tickets, etc.: http://mltt.com/schedule/" rel="nofollow - http://mltt.com/schedule/ MLTT First Half Season Schedule:
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Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 08/23/2023 at 2:39pm
| No teams in the metro NY region? |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 08/23/2023 at 6:47pm
| The draft is this Sunday, August 27 at 5 pm Eastern and will be on YouTube. |
Posted By: KiwiPong
Date Posted: 08/23/2023 at 11:01pm
What channel?
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talltimber wrote:Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 08/23/2023 at 11:34pm
| I was told by a person involved that it will be on YouTube. Not sure which channel. The West showcase was on OCTTA. Don't know where the draft is being held. |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/24/2023 at 6:58am
The "Princeton Revolution" is based in New Jersey (as is the league itself). Maybe in the second half of the season there'll be matches in that region too. Same for the Pacific Northwest with Seattle and Portland.
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Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 08/24/2023 at 9:02am
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Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 08/24/2023 at 10:23am
| There’s The Princeton Revolution. |
Posted By: ander999
Date Posted: 08/24/2023 at 10:55am
| Hopefully I get drafted :) |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/24/2023 at 12:16pm
Hopefully you registered for the draft ;-)
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Posted By: ander999
Date Posted: 08/24/2023 at 12:17pm
I indeed did :)
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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/24/2023 at 12:55pm
What would the pay be like?
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Posted By: ander999
Date Posted: 08/24/2023 at 1:54pm
Not sure they disclose that information until after you are drafted. It isn't readily available anywhere.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/24/2023 at 2:27pm
Good luck! ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 08/24/2023 at 11:08pm
Earlier this year (April?) they had a presentation for players interested in the draft that covered some of this information. I forget the numbers but there is some base pay per appearance on the thousand dollar scale plus smaller bonuses for winning games, especially the golden game. There may also have been some pay just for being on a team, but I don't recall that as clearly. I'll see if I can find the information again. ------------- -1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator" -H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 08/25/2023 at 7:44pm
| MLTT will have their own YouTube channel for the draft per their latest "X" tweet. |
Posted By: Twiddler
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 5:26am
| MLTT draft tonight at 5pm on youtube. Should be interesting. Who will go in the 1st round? |
Posted By: Twiddler
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 5:28am
| I hope Kanak Jha has signed up. He is really missed. |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 7:52am
Yes! I'd love to see him be a part of this. ------------- Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Outer, Mizuno Q Quality 2.1mm FH/BH |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 7:57am
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TTBL (which started this weekend, by the way) doesn't allow its players to compete in another league during the same season, so Kanak will probably stay out of this and focus on helping Grenzau once his suspension is over. I suppose this is the MLTT YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@majorleaguetabletennis" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/@majorleaguetabletennis
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Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 5:19pm
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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 5:20pm
Full draft results: |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 5:34pm
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Each team is required to have one woman on the roster - it seems 9 were picked, in the following order: Amy Wang Matilda Ekholm Hong Lin Lily Zhang Fabiola Diaz Rachel Sung Angela Guan Emily Tan Ying Wang So the Texas Smash picked not 1 but 2 women. What happens if the female player (for example Lily Zhang) isn't available on a matchday? |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 6:42pm
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I like the Golden Game concept of alternating players within a game. I had thought about doing something similar where I play whenever it got too busy. ------------- Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Outer, Mizuno Q Quality 2.1mm FH/BH |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 7:51pm
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How did Lei Kou not go first overall or in the first round? There must be a logic underlying the picks that is not transparent to the informed table tennis fan... ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 7:54pm
I suspect there will still be room to put undrafted players on rosters, especially women. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 10:14pm
| So, any opinions on which team did the best in the draft? Was it Portland because they got Lei Kou in the second round or was it another team? |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/27/2023 at 11:03pm
| I don't know twenty or so of those names... but Florida seems to have good depth and experience. |
Posted By: ABT
Date Posted: 08/28/2023 at 1:45am
| Lei kou is 35 and on a steep decline. |
Posted By: Slowhand
Date Posted: 08/28/2023 at 1:53am
| This was a "draft" for promotional purposes only. Clearly not the order in which the players were actually selected by the teams. Players were given the option to limit their availability to only west or only east teams, and there were probably other factors involved as well in putting the rosters together. Koi Lei is the strongest player in the league. I think Carolina might have the strongest roster, led by Enzo Angles and Romain Lorentz with Jeremy Hazin a strong number three if he's in form. |
Posted By: Catenaccio
Date Posted: 08/28/2023 at 2:12am
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I have no insider knowledge regarding the draft and the following is pure speculation from my side. I like to think that the players were selected in the order announced in the video. One thing people might have missed is that the Portland Paddlers had the 8th and the 9th pick. They were using a "snake" (?) system, i.e. working their way backwards in Round 2. So you could argue that there is no difference between the 8th and 9th pick. The decision makers of each team probably picked someone in the first round they have a personal relationship with. In addition, the budget of each team probably is important, e.g. pay and travel costs. "Players were given the option to limit their availability to only west or only east teams." This surely had a big influence on the draft as mentioned by Slowhand.
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Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 08/28/2023 at 9:01am
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Some of the choices and the order of the choices were baffling to say the least. I did hear that some of the players cannot play all the rounds because of having previous commitments to play internationally, so that might have had something to do with some of the strange picks. |
Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 08/28/2023 at 9:12am
This is simply untrue, but okay. The only players in this league I see giving him trouble are Enzo who went first pick, Gorak who went second pick, and Tao and Jinbao.
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Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 08/28/2023 at 9:13am
Bay Area Blasters seem like the easy favorite to me, if Lily is in attendance at the meets.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/28/2023 at 11:18am
The league might have a team tennis type format if the pilot that was shown on ESPN is true to form. So one player will not dominate or win matches in quite the same way as they would in a regular league (I like the Indian league format, but the MLTT pilot seems a bit more in the spirit of team tennis). ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 08/29/2023 at 6:06am
Can anyone with Zoom see if VOD/playback is available for the webinar? https://www.facebook.com/MajorLeagueTableTennis/posts/124942740560450" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/MajorLeagueTableTennis/posts/124942740560450 https://us06web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_dmOvZ7ZlS3Ow7mkhoyQxRQ?fbclid=IwAR0IjpuuQvY1hkdZgbmnRAhS8iQ0DRxpnIn-HwE8_PgBZc1e4ajvTc0eSG0" rel="nofollow - https://us06web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_dmOvZ7ZlS3Ow7mkhoyQxRQ?fbclid=IwAR0IjpuuQvY1hkdZgbmnRAhS8iQ0DRxpnIn-HwE8_PgBZc1e4ajvTc0eSG0 ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 08/29/2023 at 7:36am
| Between $1k and $2k per appearance, plus the team is playing for a percentage of a purse each weekend. There will be a Final Four tournament worth quite a bit of money with the winner taking the lions share. At the seasons end there will be individual bonuses paid out to the top point earners. Throw in the possibility for endorsements, players can do all right playing one weekend per month in The MLTT. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/29/2023 at 11:13am
not so bad (in comparison to WTT tournament purses) if travel expenses are paid by the MLTT
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Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 08/29/2023 at 11:16am
| I believe most expenses including food will be covered. MLTTs CEO and founder Flint Lane is determined to make this a world class league. This is a great first step |
Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 09/02/2023 at 8:07am
I know Flint and hope the league will be successful. I'm just not sure how world class it can get with its nonstandard format of several 1 game contests and a golden game. ------------- An EJ to a table tennis player is an equipment junkie. An ej to a mathematician is a standard basis vector. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 09/02/2023 at 10:35am
Agreed. Similar things are done in team tennis but to be honest, I almost never watch team tennis. I would have thought the mix the Indian leagues struck was close to ideal but I guess we have to see what happens. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Twiddler
Date Posted: 09/02/2023 at 11:52am
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Personally I prefer a 2 table format. One table can get boring. 2 rarely does and sometimes the drama can double. In the German league a long time ago we had 2 tables and the spectators loved it. Then TV and short attention spans became the norm.
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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/02/2023 at 12:56pm
Each of the 5 single matches does include 3 games - it's just that each game counts 1 point for the team, like in the Indian league. I think that's fine and not too disjointed.
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Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 09/02/2023 at 4:35pm
| I know Flint as well, rarely does he fail at what he sets his mind to. He’s adapts and gives the consumer what they want. The man has an exceptional track record, I wouldn’t bet against him or the league. |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 09/02/2023 at 8:22pm
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What's the format going to be like? does all 9 players from each team all gets to play too? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 09/02/2023 at 10:42pm
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[QUOTE=liulin04]What's the format going to be like? does all 9 players from each team all gets to play too? https://mltt.com/match-format/" rel="nofollow - https://mltt.com/match-format/ ------------- ustabletennisresults.com https://www.facebook.com/groups/408008237063185 |
Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 09/05/2023 at 3:56am
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Some predictions about the MLTT upcoming season: https://www.majorponghead.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.majorponghead.com/ |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/05/2023 at 11:00am
| Wow, more motivation for Lei Kou! First, his hometown team doesn't pick him #1 and now his Portland team is predicted to finish last in the West division. Having him on the Paddlers will just make his teammates that much better. I think that the US Open champion has a real good chance to carry his team into the playoffs. |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/05/2023 at 12:00pm
So will Kou Lei be for Portland what Messi is for Miami? That's the kind of star MLTT needs!
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/05/2023 at 12:56pm
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Portland never goes 1/2 way, drank the Kou Lei. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/05/2023 at 2:14pm
| And Kou Lei is 5 months younger than Messi, so that all makes sense. |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 09/05/2023 at 2:18pm
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I regret sounding like a hater here, because I think it's amazing that SOMEONE is stepping up to do something potentially huge for table tennis since USATT will never elevate the sport in any way. But when I watched the demo of the format during America's teams, I thought the format was absolute doo-doo. None of the players seemed to know what was going on, the spectators (can't even make a 'dozens of us' joke) were lost but trying to be supportive. It was an absolute mess that just screamed to me like they're trying to reinvent the wheel. Way over-complicated. If a bunch of players had trouble understanding it, I don't see how they expect people who have never watched table tennis to follow it.
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Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 09/05/2023 at 2:42pm
| When did you see this? How long ago? |
Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 09/09/2023 at 8:11pm
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Some MLTT players to play in the Pan Am games and miss league matches: https://www.majorponghead.com/blog/six-mltt-teams-have-athletes-repping-at-2023-pan-am-games" rel="nofollow - https://www.majorponghead.com/blog/six-mltt-teams-have-athletes-repping-at-2023-pan-am-games |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/15/2023 at 4:57pm
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It's happening - starting NOW! Friday, Sep. 15: 5 p.m. EST
Chicago Wind vs. Carolina Gold Rush
Princeton Revolution vs. Florida Crocs
Saturday, Sep. 16: 5 p.m. EST
Chicago Wind vs. Princeton Revolution
Carolina Gold Rush vs. Florida Crocs
Sunday, Sep 17: 1 p.m. EST
Princeton Revolution vs. Carolina Gold Rush
Chicago Wind vs. Florida Crocs
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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/15/2023 at 5:31pm
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First match: Lorentz beats Khanin 2-1. So far it doesn't look scripted - must be because of the writers' strike
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Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 09/15/2023 at 5:34pm
| It looks really good. Great camera work |
Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 09/15/2023 at 5:42pm
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I wonder how many tickets sold. Looks like all 10 of them are enjoying quality table tennis. ------------- An EJ to a table tennis player is an equipment junkie. An ej to a mathematician is a standard basis vector. |
Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 09/15/2023 at 5:54pm
| Give it time |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/15/2023 at 7:35pm
| Some good matches, but the Golden Gimmick's gotta go... It just led to a complete blowout, 16-5 for Carolina. Just use the Indian UTT format. |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/15/2023 at 10:12pm
I like it. It was the best part of the Crocs. vs. Princeton match. ------------- Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Outer, Mizuno Q Quality 2.1mm FH/BH |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/15/2023 at 11:22pm
| Crocs show that the preseason rankings mean nothing. Will the Paddlers do the same? |
Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 09/16/2023 at 7:42am
| The Revolution was missing two key players, Liang and Ly. They are playing in the Pan American Games. I think we would have seen a different outcome had it not been for that. |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/16/2023 at 8:47am
| Gonzalez was missing from Florida as well. |
Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 09/16/2023 at 10:00am
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Florida still had the edge. Even though Senura performed well and exceeded expectations in his singles match against Levinsky (who in my opinion looks a bit out of shape), it would have been an entirely different set of match ups in the Golden Game and I doubt if two choppers would have been used in the doubles match. One thing for certain MLTT put on a show last night. The camera work was fantastic, the commentary was spot on and the play was exceptional. Enzo Angles will be tough to beat. The wild card in this league and player to watch is going to be rising star Adi Sareen of The Seattle Spinners
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Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/16/2023 at 10:30am
| I agree it was great to watch. A couple of minor notes: the scoreboard was wrong a few times and the game scores of the current match would drop off right after the game. I would like to see the game scores stay up. Also, maybe they could have a couple of ballkids pick up the stray ball between points. Personally, I don't like to see all the balls lying around the court. |
Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 09/16/2023 at 1:21pm
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 09/16/2023 at 6:25pm
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I just want to see Kou Lei play.... maybe vs Enzo for maximum encouragement... ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/16/2023 at 9:59pm
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Apparently, the Florida Crocs are continuing the Florida Gators chomp tradition. ------------- Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Outer, Mizuno Q Quality 2.1mm FH/BH |
Posted By: Lem496
Date Posted: 09/16/2023 at 10:50pm
| What was with the red card against Enzo? |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/16/2023 at 11:54pm
| It looked like he may have kicked the table after losing that point and got a yellow. Hazin had a yellow card earlier. Must be two yellow cards for the team equals a red and loss of a point. |
Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 7:24am
What is UTT format compared with MLTT? i think i finally understood the scoring system after watching the first two days and a friend explaining it to me lol at first i thought it was just all leading to the full golden game that determined the final score but then i realized with the help of a friend's description that it's 1 point for each game set and then the gg is 6 points. So a score of like 16-10 is actually a very close team match
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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 12:55pm
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UTT just plays 4 singles and 1 doubles for a total of 15 games, with each game counting for 1 point. Half of the singles are men, the other half women, the doubles is mixed. I can see why MLTT wants to try something new and emphasize the team aspect even more, but don't think the "golden game" (which is played to 21) should count for 6 total points - that's 3 times the weight of the other games. And apparently to mitigate this impact somewhat they added a rule by which the team that's leading after the first 15 games gets to start the GG with a point advantage equivalent to the lead in games. But that can lead to blowouts like in the first match of the season, where a 10-5 became inevitably a 16-5. And at least on this first weekend I feel a bit bad for the female players (only one per team) - it seems that most are used in the doubles, and then of course (by necessity) in the Golden Game, most likely against strong male opponents where it's difficult for them to score a point (e.g. Angela Guan yesterday). That may change when Amy or Lily join the league, but the imbalance will probably remain.
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Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 1:23pm
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I agree with you. They play 15 games just to have a 1, 3 or 5 point lead in the golden game which ultimately determines the winner of the match, unless a team leads 11-4 or more. I also think that they should have the women play in a singles each team match. The West has Amy, Lily and Rachel Sung on different teams so maybe it will be a bit different next weekend.
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Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 3:38pm
| The announcers just said that winning the team match doesn't really matter. The standings are all based on the points gained during each match. |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 3:41pm
| In the first match today Carolina led Princeton 11-4, which had them start the Golden Game with a 5-0 advantage (5 points being the maximum possible here). Princeton fought back to 18-18, and it came down to Jeremy Hazin vs Angela Guan for the final points. Angela managed to win 1 point out of 4, but Hazin secured the win 21-19. Final result therefore: Carolina 17, Princeton 4 !! |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 3:45pm
| Yep, a 17-4 win is much better than an 11-10 win. Every point counts. |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 3:55pm
Exactly, all won game points count towards the teams standings. The Golden Game actually adds quite a bit of drama as it's worth 6 points and it literally involves the entire team. Just imagine if Princeton had pulled it off... that would have been huge for them. ------------- Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Outer, Mizuno Q Quality 2.1mm FH/BH |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 4:01pm
Well, Princeton actually outscored Carolina in the Golden Game 19-16 - but for the standings Carolina got 6 points from this game and Princeton ZERO.
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Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 4:21pm
The Golden Game is an all or nothing game. Princeton needed to do better in the matches prior to the Golden Game to reduce the advantage for Carolina. But at least they had a chance to redeem themselves. And if Angela could have won that last point, the next match up would have been Chen (Princeton) vs. Lin (Carolina). Chen is the stronger player, but anything can happen on a single point. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the Golden Game. It's all good  .------------- Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Outer, Mizuno Q Quality 2.1mm FH/BH |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 10:51pm
Told you so
- Florida is 3-0 |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/17/2023 at 11:56pm
| But oddly enough, they are not in first place. Carolina has 41 points to 40 for Florida. To me that just does not seem right but that is the way they chose to do it. |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/18/2023 at 9:05am
| They need a standings tab on their website. Can't see which teams are leading in points. Also, there should be a stats tab. I would like to see the individual records of the players of their singles and doubles matches. Would like to know how many points each player contributed. Hopefully, they can add those to their site. |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 09/18/2023 at 9:52am
Although a bit odd, it reinforces the fact that every game counts. And although I don't know the terms of the contracts, I'm guessing team "wins" are incentivized. In any case, winning breeds camaraderie. You can see the camaraderie of the Florida Crocs after the inaugural event. Great to see! ------------- Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Outer, Mizuno Q Quality 2.1mm FH/BH |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/18/2023 at 11:14am
| Yes, great camaraderie for Florida. "Way to go Crocs. You were undefeated and beat Carolina but they made more money (slightly) than you did." More motivation for the Crocs for next time. |
Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 09/18/2023 at 11:31am
| All that being said, it was great to watch. Professional announcers and camera work. Really looking forward to the West Division this weekend. Hope that all the main players will be playing. |