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    Posted: 09/09/2016 at 1:25am
Does anyone knows what Qiu Dang is using?
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It looks like he is using Tenergy on a Zhang Jike blade?

I was surprised actually his technique is not Jpen but chinese penhold, with an interesting grip and wrist technique,


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I love how his shirt says "shakehands"
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Originally posted by jk92 jk92 wrote:

I was surprised actually his technique is not Jpen but chinese penhold, with an interesting grip and wrist technique,
That's because his father, Qiu JianXin (the coach standing in the video) is a cpen specialist Smile but without the rpb.  


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He uses Dignics 09C for the rubber.
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Originally posted by jk92 jk92 wrote:


It looks like he is using Tenergy on a Zhang Jike blade?

I was surprised actually his technique is not Jpen but chinese penhold, with an interesting grip and wrist technique,


Qiu played RPB jpen and his father played bundesliga against samsonov and grubba ,He was Cpen SP single sided. trained mizutani and maze
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innerforce alc + both sides 09C

From the Lima Contender, the handle of his blade looks like a specially made INN layer alc.
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Wow, Dang is  ranked no 10 in the world now. 
Best penhold player outside china
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Officially the best penhold player in the world and I think he would give a good game to anyone in China as well. 

Amazing to think that he achieved all this whilst not even focussing on the game full time whilst finishing high school. 
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he plays with inner? i thought outer
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Officially the best penhold player in the world and I think he would give a good game to anyone in China as well. 

Amazing to think that he achieved all this whilst not even focussing on the game full time whilst finishing high school. 



Better then XX?
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Officially the best penhold player in the world and I think he would give a good game to anyone in China as well. 

Amazing to think that he achieved all this whilst not even focussing on the game full time whilst finishing high school. 



Better then XX?

He took Liang Jingkun 7 games at WTTC.  Granted, a few others (Calderano, Pitchford) did as well, but that is not easy and it isn't a given that Xu Xin is that much better at this stage of his career.
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I like Qiu Dang, he's humble and his strokes just look so pleasant and stylish haha
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Officially the best penhold player in the world and I think he would give a good game to anyone in China as well. 

Amazing to think that he achieved all this whilst not even focussing on the game full time whilst finishing high school. 



Better then XX?

Meant 'officially' in the sense of WTT ranking. But I'd think he ought to have a good chance against Xu Xin in their current forms.
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Wow, Dang is  ranked no 10 in the world now. 
Best penhold player outside china

Overrated by your biased standard against WCT. Be consistent.   

In 53 encounters with CNT, WCT has defeated once XX(out of 11) and LJK(out of 5), and 5 CNT players in his junior days.
In 13 encounters with CNT, Qiu Dang has defeated once Xue Fei(out of 2) and Zhao Zhaoyan(out of 1).

Even in the same age segment(~26), WCT had already run into the CNT 36 times.

Also look up their records against Japan and Korea, you would notice Qiu Dang has run into so few of them as well, despite being just 5 years younger. 38(14W) vs 62(34W) for Japan, 14(6W) vs 61(29W) for Korea. Other than Mizutani and(WCT beat him once at Asian Cup 2016) Togami, WCT has defeated everyone on the current JNT. Other than Cho Daeseong and Kang Dongsoo, WCT has defeated everyone on the current KNT.

For Germany, WCT is 21(9W). Other than Boll and Ovtcharov, he has defeated Fejer-Konneth, Franziska, Filus, Duda, et al.

Edited by zeio - 06/23/2022 at 3:54pm
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Wow, Dang is  ranked no 10 in the world now. 
Best penhold player outside china

Overrated by your biased standard against WCT. Be consistent.   

In 53 encounters with CNT, WCT has defeated once XX(out of 11) and LJK(out of 5), and 5 CNT players in his junior days.
In 13 encounters with CNT, Qiu Dang has defeated once Xue Fei(out of 2) and Zhao Zhaoyan(out of 1).

Even in the same age segment(~26), WCT had already run into the CNT 36 times.

Also look up their records against Japan and Korea, you would notice Qiu Dang has run into so few of them as well, despite being just 5 years younger. 38(14W) vs 62(34W) for Japan, 14(6W) vs 61(29W) for Korea. Other than Mizutani and Togami, WCT has defeated everyone on the current JNT. Other than Cho Daeseong and Kang Dongsoo, WCT has defeated everyone on the current KNT.

For Germany, WCT is 21(9W). Other than Boll and Ovtcharov, he has defeated Fejer-Konneth, Franziska, Filus, Duda, et al.

In his junior days? Wink
That is history.
GOOD analysis nonetheless. So both of them have similar winning % against Korean and Japanese players.

judging by recent results against top ranked players, most people would say Qiu is a better player than Wong right now. Qiu has improved a lot in the last 2 years.

No mention of Qiu Dang beating Ovtcharov, Calderano, Kallberg, Gauzy recently ? A few days ago he beat Dima 4:3 at the Lima Contender Final, someone whom Wong has never beaten in his career. Qiu Also made the singles final of another 2 events recently,  hence the big climb in his ranking. Would Wong beat these players with his current standard of play ? I highly doubt it.  When was the last time Wong won a singles title? A decade ago.?  Wong has been so bad in the last 4, 5 years that he exited
most ittf tournaments in the 1st or 2nd round. To say he was Overrated was an understatement.






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Same with Qiu Dang's abysmal record against Hong Kong. His last encounter was a 0-4 against Ho Kwan Kit in 2018. Look it up. As you mention, that is history, which is why I didn't mention it.

I'm using your biased standard against WCT for Qiu Dang here, by cherry picking countries against which he performed poorly, but the difference here is that China, Germany, Japan and South Korea happen to be the top 4 finishers at Rio 2016 and Tokyo 2020.

A decade ago? C'mon. You never look it up, do you? The ONLY time WCT won a World Tour in singles was at Czech Open 2015, where he beat Yoshimura in the final, Gauzy in SF, LSS in QF, Hielscher in R16, Oshima in R32, and Liventsov in R64.

Now that we're comparing titles, let me know when Qiu Dang has achieved this much now that his seeding will get him deep in the draw, who's already past the age of WCT when the latter earned most of these:
MS:
QF at WTTC 2017, 1-4 LSS while playing on one leg
Bronze at World Cup 2016, 4-2 Monteiro in R16, 4-0 LSS in QF, 1-4 XX in SF, 4-1 K. Karlsson in 3rd place match
Bronze at Asian Cup 2016, 3-0 Achanta, 0-3 ZJK, 0-3 LSS in group, 4-2 Mizutani in QF(he actually beat him this once), 2-4 ZJK in SF, 4-2 Gao Ning in 3rd place match
Winner at Czech Open 2015, 4-0 Liventsov in R64, 4-2 Oshima in R32, 4-1 Hielscher in R16, 4-3 LSS in QF, 4-1 Gauzy in SF, 4-2 Yoshimura in F
Finalist at Spanish Open 2015, 4-0 Sakai in R64, 4-2 Smirnov in R32, 4-0 Kim Minhyeok in R16, 4-3 Niwa in QF, 4-3 Matsudaira in SF, 0-4 Yoshimura
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Finalist w/ Ho Kwan Kit at WTGF 2018, 2-3 JWJ/LJH
Winner w/ Ho Kwan Kit at Hong Kong Open 2018, 3-0 Morizono/Oshima
Finalist w/ Ho Kwan Kit at WTGF 2017, 3-4 Morizono/Oshima
Finalist w/ Ho Kwan Kit at Swedish Open 2017, 1-3 FZD/XX
QF w/ Ho Kwan Kit at WTTC 2017, 3-4 FZD/XX
Bronze w/ Ho Kwan Kit at ATTC 2017, 0-3 FB/ZY
Winner w/ Ho Kwan Kit at Slovenia Open 2016
Winner w/ Tang Peng at Russian Open 2014
Winner w/ Tang Peng at Australian Open 2014
Winner w/ Tang Peng at Spainish Open 2014
Winner w/ Jiang Tianyi at German Open 2012
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Finalist w/ DHK at WTT Contender Zagreb 2022, 0-3 Harimoto/Hayata
Winner w/ DHK at Hungarian Open 2020, 3-2 Franziska/Solja
Winner w/ DHK at Australian Open 2019, 3-0 LSS/JJH in SF, 3-1 Mizutani/Ito in F
Winner w/ DHK at Korea Open 2019, 3-1 XX/LSW
Finalist w/ DHK at China Open 2019, 1-3 LYJ/CIC
Winner w/ DHK at WTGF 2018, JWJ/Cha Hyo Sim in F, Morizono/Ito in SF, CCA/CIC in QF
Bronze w/ DHK at WTTC 2017, 3-4 CCA/CIC in SF
Bronze w/ DHK at WTTC 2015, 1-4 XX/Yang Haeun in SF

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80179&PID=996287&title=2017-austrian-open-09-1909-24#996287
Quote He played exceptionally well at the WTTC, reaching the QF in MS and MD and SF in XD, almost beating the eventual Champion in the MD and going the distance in the XD. I felt he took on too much burden for team Hong Kong, which was later confirmed by LGD in a local newspaper.

People can't really ask too much of him. He didn't turn pro until 18, too late even by European standard. He comes from a grass-root family. He didn't have as much access to quality training. He was not a prospect in the eyes of the HKTTA. I've only recently found out Zheng Puifeng started out late as well and didn't take part in sports school and still made it to the CNT. It's been years and he doesn't even get his fair share of international exposure. What's more, both are penholders. I can't appreciate enough how they struggle and still try their best. I've already seen enough people given up on their dreams.


Edited by zeio - 06/25/2022 at 4:12am
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+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

GOOD analysis nonetheless. So both of them have similar winning % against Korean and Japanese players.

judging by recent results against top ranked players, most people would say Qiu is a better player than Wong right now. Qiu has improved a lot in the last 2 years.

Similar winning percentage? You are in denial. 14/38=36.8% vs 34/62=54.8% for Japan and 6/14=42.8% vs 29/61=47.5% for Korea. The more Qiu Dang runs into China, Japan, and Korea as a top 10 now, the harder it will get to keep that percentage up.

Nobody is arguing who is better now. The issue is that by your standard, both players should be overrated.

By the same token, Harimoto is overrated, which Harimoto has admitted in a recent interview.

Same deal with Moregard after finishing 2nd both at WTTC 2021 and Europe Top 16 Cup 2022, who has been losing left and right to lower ranked players, 2-3 Duda in R32(40 vs 14 before Singapore Smash), 2-3 Gacina in R32(47 vs 15 before WTT SCT Doha), 1-3 Franziska in QF(12 vs 5 before WTT CT Zagreb).

Similar trajectory for Jorgic, who has been losing left and right as well after Singapore Smash, 0-3 An Jaehyun in R16(45 vs 12 before WTT CT Doha), 0-3 Xue Fei in R32(140 vs 11 before WTT SCT Doha, let's give him a pass here), 1-3 Gnanasekaran in R32(34 vs 6 before WTT CT Zagreb).

Edited by zeio - 06/23/2022 at 5:10pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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saw the final against DO today - dramatic match.  can't say Qiu's style is very exciting - I guess whatever works.
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Wow, Dang is  ranked no 10 in the world now. 
Best penhold player outside china

Overrated by your biased standard against WCT. Be consistent.   

In 53 encounters with CNT, WCT has defeated once XX(out of 11) and LJK(out of 5), and 5 CNT players in his junior days.
In 13 encounters with CNT, Qiu Dang has defeated once Xue Fei(out of 2) and Zhao Zhaoyan(out of 1).

Even in the same age segment(~26), WCT had already run into the CNT 36 times.

Also look up their records against Japan and Korea, you would notice Qiu Dang has run into so few of them as well, despite being just 5 years younger. 38(14W) vs 62(34W) for Japan, 14(6W) vs 61(29W) for Korea. Other than Mizutani and Togami, WCT has defeated everyone on the current JNT. Other than Cho Daeseong and Kang Dongsoo, WCT has defeated everyone on the current KNT.

For Germany, WCT is 21(9W). Other than Boll and Ovtcharov, he has defeated Fejer-Konneth, Franziska, Filus, Duda, et al.

In his junior days? Wink
That is history.
GOOD analysis nonetheless. So both of them have similar winning % against Korean and Japanese players.

judging by recent results against top ranked players, most people would say Qiu is a better player than Wong right now. Qiu has improved a lot in the last 2 years.

No mention of Qiu Dang beating Ovtcharov, Calderano, Kallberg, Gauzy recently ? A few days ago he beat Dima 4:3 at the Lima Contender Final, someone whom Wong has never beaten in his career. Qiu Also made the singles final of another 2 events recently,  hence the big climb in his ranking. Would Wong beat these players with his current standard of play ? I highly doubt it.  When was the last time Wong won a singles title? A decade ago.?  Wong has been so bad in the last 4, 5 years that he exited
most ittf tournaments in the 1st or 2nd round. To say he was Overrated was an understatement.



You conveniently leave out the fact that Ovtcharov is just returning from a major injury and surgery which had him out for almost a year, both him and Calderano are not currently playing in any leagues, Pitchford and Gauzy are on major downturns in their career, and none of China was entered in this tournament, and most of the big guns were at the tournament in Zagreb that was being held simultaneously. 

When did WCT ever play in world tour events with this weak of a competition? Did WCT ever have a road to a championship that was comprised of the formidable foes of.... Hayate Suzuki, Kay Stumper, Ryoichi Yoshiyama, Kang Dongsoo, and then finally a hobbled and recovering Dima, who he barely squeaked by?

Be honest, you hadn't even heard of half of those players before that week.
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Mr Zeio is making Wct look better than he is by listing all the doubles and mixed doubles achievements. LOL.

Only singles titles should count. 

Do people take doubles and mixed doubles titles, quarter finals and semi finals appearances into consideration when  arguing who is the greatest tennis player of all time between Federer, Jokovic and Nadal ?  NO, they only count the number of singles titles they have won

Wong chun ting has only won 1 singles title in his career And that was 7, 8 years ago.
Qiu Dang has won 2 singles titles and he is 5 years younger than Wong. 


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When did WCT ever play in world tour events with this weak of a competition? 

Yes Wct did play tour events even weaker than this one  in Lima and he didn't win anything. A good example is the Australian open back in 2004 which Predominantly the Singaporeans ( minus Gao Ning ) and Australians participated. He lost to our William Henzell  in the quarter final 4:2 .  

Did WCT ever have a road to a championship that was comprised of the formidable foes of.... Hayate Suzuki, Kay Stumper, Ryoichi Yoshiyama, Kang Dongsoo, and then finally a hobbled and recovering Dima, who he barely squeaked by?

Can Wct beat all the players you mentioned above right now ? He will lose to one of the Japanese at least, he will lose to a hobbled Dima, he will lose to Kang Dongsoo ( whom he already lost to when he was a top 10 player) 




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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Wow, Dang is  ranked no 10 in the world now. 
Best penhold player outside china

Overrated by your biased standard against WCT. Be consistent.   

In 53 encounters with CNT, WCT has defeated once XX(out of 11) and LJK(out of 5), and 5 CNT players in his junior days.
In 13 encounters with CNT, Qiu Dang has defeated once Xue Fei(out of 2) and Zhao Zhaoyan(out of 1).

Even in the same age segment(~26), WCT had already run into the CNT 36 times.

Also look up their records against Japan and Korea, you would notice Qiu Dang has run into so few of them as well, despite being just 5 years younger. 38(14W) vs 62(34W) for Japan, 14(6W) vs 61(29W) for Korea. Other than Mizutani and Togami, WCT has defeated everyone on the current JNT. Other than Cho Daeseong and Kang Dongsoo, WCT has defeated everyone on the current KNT.

For Germany, WCT is 21(9W). Other than Boll and Ovtcharov, he has defeated Fejer-Konneth, Franziska, Filus, Duda, et al.

In his junior days? Wink
That is history.
GOOD analysis nonetheless. So both of them have similar winning % against Korean and Japanese players.

judging by recent results against top ranked players, most people would say Qiu is a better player than Wong right now. Qiu has improved a lot in the last 2 years.

No mention of Qiu Dang beating Ovtcharov, Calderano, Kallberg, Gauzy recently ? A few days ago he beat Dima 4:3 at the Lima Contender Final, someone whom Wong has never beaten in his career. Qiu Also made the singles final of another 2 events recently,  hence the big climb in his ranking. Would Wong beat these players with his current standard of play ? I highly doubt it.  When was the last time Wong won a singles title? A decade ago.?  Wong has been so bad in the last 4, 5 years that he exited
most ittf tournaments in the 1st or 2nd round. To say he was Overrated was an understatement.



You conveniently leave out the fact that Ovtcharov is just returning from a major injury and surgery which had him out for almost a year, both him and Calderano are not currently playing in any leagues, Pitchford and Gauzy are on major downturns in their career, and none of China was entered in this tournament, and most of the big guns were at the tournament in Zagreb that was being held simultaneously. 

When did WCT ever play in world tour events with this weak of a competition? Did WCT ever have a road to a championship that was comprised of the formidable foes of.... Hayate Suzuki, Kay Stumper, Ryoichi Yoshiyama, Kang Dongsoo, and then finally a hobbled and recovering Dima, who he barely squeaked by?

Be honest, you hadn't even heard of half of those players before that week.

 
Yeah,  blame the injury whenever you lose a match, very  handy excuse. 
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Are you shitting me? You know better than even the players themselves?

WCT and DHK have expressed multiple times since 2018 they were turning their focus to the XD and MT/WT events, which is supported by the stats.

https://www.hktta.org.hk/cgi-bin/display/news.cgi?news=1928
Quote 今屆乒乓球賽事不設雙打,變相令黃鎮廷只需出戰男打、混雙及男團賽事,他指對後兩項賽事的信心較大,「單打也會搏的,但始終重心會在混雙及團體。」


http://paper.wenweipo.com/2018/07/30/SP1807300022.htm
Quote 杜凱琹�£�充謂,她都以混雙為重,其次則期望團體賽爭取理想的名次。至於單打方面,由於亞運�£度可說與世界賽接近,要期望抽得好籤才能交出成績。


https://www.hk01.com/%E5%8D%B3%E6%99%82%E9%AB%94%E8%82%B2/647396/%E6%9D%B1%E4%BA%AC%E5%A5%A7%E9%81%8B-%E4%B9%92%E4%B9%93-%E9%BB%83%E9%8E%AE%E5%BB%B7%E6%9D%9C%E5%87%B1%E7%90%B9%E6%B7%B7%E9%9B%99%E5%8A%9B%E7%88%AD%E7%8D%8E%E7%89%8C-%E9%9A%A8%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E9%9A%8A%E9%9B%86%E8%A8%93%E7%8D%B2%E5%95%9F%E7%99%BC
Quote 黃、杜二人雖將重心放在混雙,但亦要分別參加單打及團體賽事,奧運時有機會一日三賽,但兩人稱已特別加長訓練時間去準備。黃鎮廷坦言自己目前單打排名不高(2021年7月為第19位),無疑會影響男單的抽籤結果,所以對於單打也是「一步一步來」。


https://www.sportsroad.hk/archives/339651
Quote 日前混雙失利貌似未有影響其發揮,杜凱琹在訪問時卻言心仍在痛:「落敗一刻感到心碎,因為東京奧運前的備戰放了重心在混雙,做了許多準備,當日其實有點振作不起來。」


But let's cherry pick the singles again. I know you hate WCT, but lying about him? Below is what you posted in 2018. I was busy subbing videos back then. It's over 4 years late, but let me expose your lies once and for all.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81396&PID=1016094&title=team-world-cup-2018-london-2-2225#1016094
Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Maharu and mizutani are actually leading wct in head to head. Wct and Niwa are level in head to head.

Yes, he seems to enjoy playing Japanese players more. This is probably due to the lack of power on their strokes which enabled him to counter tospin in mid court.

However, even against 2nd tier Europeans like Shiebaev, Karlson, Pitchford, Calderano, Freitas, Flore, Gauzy, he would lose most of the time. Hey, He even lost to a 17 year old American ranked 90 in the world.


vs Shibaev, 1-0 until 2018, 1-1 after 2019


Since there were 2 Karlsson until 9/2018,
vs then M. Karlsson, 3-0 until 2018, 3-2 after 2019


vs K. Karlsson, 4-2 until 2018, never met after


vs Pitchford, never met until 2021, 0-1


vs Calderano, 0-1 until 2018, never met after


vs Freitas, 0-1 until 2018, 1-1 after 2019


vs Flore, 3-0 until 2019, never met after


Vs Gauzy, 3-0 until 2019, 4-1 after 2020


Hey, LYJ even lost to that 17-year-old American at YOG 2018, 7 months after your post. The same fate befell Harimoto as well 3 months ago. Where were you hiding?



Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Mr Zeio is making Wct look better than he is by listing all the doubles and mixed doubles achievements. LOL.

Only singles titles should count. 

Do people take doubles and mixed doubles titles, quarter finals and semi finals appearances into consideration when  arguing who is the greatest tennis player of all time between Federer, Jokovic and Nadal ?  NO, they only count the number of singles titles they have won

Wong chun ting has only won 1 singles title in his career And that was 7, 8 years ago.
Qiu Dang has won 2 singles titles and he is 5 years younger than Wong. 


Edited by zeio - 06/25/2022 at 4:50am
Viscaria FL - 91g
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At this point, you've lost all credibility, but I'll give you a break on WCT.

You see, I have been bashing Ishikawa since late 2016, but that is entirely based on facts.

Back in May, you claimed Hayata was "vindicated in the sense that she is now recognised as one of the best 2 players in Japan". I thought otherwise. What happened last week? In terms of singles, Hirano still comes out on top at the world and continental level, above Ito and Hayata, if we overlook the ITTF WTP/WT and WTT SCT/CT. Yet, folks now think Ito as the best simply because of her XD gold at Tokyo 2020.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Yes, players like Lyj, Hugo, Harimoto have all lost to lowered ranked players. But their upsets rarely happen and they beat low ranked players most of time. The same can't be said about WCT .  First round exit to a low ranked player has been a norm for Wct in the last 4, 5 years. DON'T get me started on listing the dozens of low ranked players Wct has lost to in the last 4, 5 years. It's a long list.

The regularity which Wct lose to low ranked players a few years ago suggested to me he was Overrated as a top 10 player. He is ranked 24th right now which is where he rightfully belongs. He put most of his focus on doubles right now because he knows his level of play rarely trouble players like Dima, Hugo, Kallberg, Boll,   LYJ and Harimoto.

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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

At this point, you've lost all credibility, but I'll give you a break on WCT.

You see, I have been bashing Ishikawa since late 2016, but that is entirely based on facts.

Back in May, you claimed Hayata was "vindicated in the sense that she is now recognised as one of the best 2 players in Japan". I thought otherwise. What happened last week? In terms of singles, Hirano still comes out on top at the world and continental level, above Ito and Hayata, if we overlook the ITTF WTP/WT and WTT SCT/CT. Yet, folks now think Ito as the best simply because of her XD gold at Tokyo 2020.

Most people would disagree with you. Ito & Hayata are the 2 best players in Japan right now. 

Hirano has been figured out by the Chinese since her Asian championship victory. Hirano & Kasumi's  Winning % against the Chinese  has been pathetic in the last 4, 5  years. On the other hand,  Ito & Hayata has been the greatest threats to the Chinese in the last few years. They have the best winning ratios against cnt players (out of all Japanese players). 
Their high rankings are fully justified in my opinion.


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