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    Posted: 05/11/2015 at 11:12pm
I'm fortunate to have a recent opportunity to train with a former Chinese National Team member. It's a bit frustrating, however, that my fitness is at an all time low so I can't get nearly the benefit that's potentially there. When we warm up, she forces me to counter with what I consider very rapid exchanges. I wonder if this is a good warm up. I wonder if she considers this normal pace. Does this seem a bit on the fast side for warm ups? 

Now get this. In the video below, this isn't her normal style - she plays classic short pips penhold. At the beginning of the session, she offered me the choice to have her use SP penhold or 2 wing inverted SH.  



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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

I'm fortunate to have a recent opportunity to train with a former Chinese National Team member. It's a bit frustrating, however, that my fitness is at an all time low so I can't get nearly the benefit that's potentially there. When we warm up, she forces me to counter with what I consider very rapid exchanges. I wonder if this is a good warm up. I wonder if she considers this normal pace. Does this seem a bit on the fast side for warm ups?
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As far as warm up goes, hitting harder and faster (but still at a controlled pace) would help you drive the ball into the blade's wood a bit more to get clearer feeling in your hand.  This could definitely help warm up your touch in a different way pretty quickly.  Another way to simulate what this is warming up does while alone is to smash a ball out of your hand and into the net, point blank, repeatedly.  There is a training video somewhere out there where I saw Ma Lin doing this same thing.

One of my former coaches Fei Ming Tong (Taiwanese National Team) mentioned this briefly to me and also made me warm up at a similar pace in our sessions.

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Not sure if rapid inconsistency has any benefits...

Surely it would be better to go steady and pop the occasional random fast drive in...

Then build up to rapid consist exchanges. ...

Or she should block your drives a your pace and you block hers so she can get her warmup at her pace...

She looks so CNT style. Wow! I'm moving to your hood...
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wow... that's damn fast... I think she is doing just a normal pace (for her). But i think you are handling it well! Hope it's good for you :)
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That does seem really fast for just getting warmed up, to me.

Just watching it does seem like shes going far too hard at times.

So let me ask - can you communicate with her?

We have a very good Chinese coach in my area, but doesn't speak much English(and I do not know much Mandarin). So I do not ask her for any coaching. I think it is very important to be able to talk to your coach or practice partner in detail on exactly what you want to work on.

In this example, I think slower and more consistent would be good for the first few minutes before ramping up to that speed. Both have value.
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Originally posted by wilkinru wilkinru wrote:


So let me ask - can you communicate with her?

She does not speak English but, because of my being an experienced player, we can communicate. It's mostly done in pantomime, for example I make a backspin motion with my racket then point to a spot in the table instead of asking her to serve short underspin to the middle. I decide which drills I'd like to work on.

Here's a short clip from a simple drill for me to practice my backhand flip serve return. I requested via signals to have her serve mid depth serves to the middle, and we play out the point after my return. I also pointed to her SP penhold racket for her to use. I think I impressed her a little bit with my running forehand.

 
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You do not need to know a lot of Mandarin, heavy; but it might help to be able to say something like nin bu bi da nemma kuai a! (you don't have to hit so fast).  

(I hope I got that right.  My Mandarin is definitely not what it was fifty years ago).


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Hey Berndt,
Did you notice in the final 10 seconds of the first video that I almost attempted the Ma Long celebration leap?
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Hey Berndt,
Did you notice in the final 10 seconds of the first video that I almost attempted the Ma Long celebration leap?

Durn burn it.  How could I possibly have missed that?
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by wilkinru wilkinru wrote:


So let me ask - can you communicate with her?

She does not speak English but, because of my being an experienced player, we can communicate. It's mostly done in pantomime, for example I make a backspin motion with my racket then point to a spot in the table instead of asking her to serve short underspin to the middle. I decide which drills I'd like to work on.

Here's a short clip from a simple drill for me to practice my backhand flip serve return. I requested via signals to have her serve mid depth serves to the middle, and we play out the point after my return. I also pointed to her SP penhold racket for her to use. I think I impressed her a little bit with my running forehand.

 

Didn't she say "Oh wow, nice!"? :)) Maybe she can speak english?
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Pace is good cause it definitely sharpens you up, but she does get excited unnecessarily at times. Maybe she's taking a liking to you Wink
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Thanks for the comments. My philosophy on playing is consistency first, then speed and power second. I might feel uneasy hitting at a lower accuracy rate, but I think it's good complimentary training as long as I continue to practice my control game with others.
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doesn't look like she is making you run around too much in the mentioned warm up, so it should warm you up faster as long as you keep the stroke compact (which you did nicely).  if you are not at your best form then it is when you try to do so impressive shots that will destroy your form for a while till you have a chance to recoup physically 
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It's my understanding that the women at the higher levels tend to play with fast counter hits more than looping, so that's normal for her. I have hit with a female  ex provincial player and she would warm up like that. I have adopted that kind of warm up as well but can only do it with few people as it is cooperative.  I think the key is to be very controlled with regard to your placement and gradually ramp up the counter hit frequency. This pushes your ability to cycle your your stroke very quickly as well as other things like small footwork adjustments. I notice that she makes a footwork adjustment on every shot even with the fast cycle time. That's a pro level tip in and of itself because she does it even if she only has to move and inch or two. That footwork adjustment means she is less likely to compensate too much with her arm, which in turn makes her stroke extremely consistent. 
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Warm up is more like juggling. Not much fun if one person goes so much harder than the other person.


In fact I just got done hitting with a guy who would stand way back and try to counter loop. He rarely got any ball on the table (10% of the time?). My main worry was making sure the ball stayed in our barriers.

That's also no fun.


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The tempo is ok as long as you can handle it , any you can handle it perfect. Fast tempo is good it keeps your reflexes sharp and your focus for the ball also. I believe you can try even faster but with a smaller motion, your technique is very good I noticed that you hit every ball to your sweet spot FH and BH (counterhits and topspins) so you dont have anything to worry about the tempo or your technique. 

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