'Rare Footage' Ma Lin and Wang Liqin glueing up at

BeaverMD wrote: Can anyone who understands Chinese give a gist of the interview? I usually need at least 24 hours of letting a racket dry after using water glue but I usually let mine dry for 2 or 3 days before using.  Otherwise, it feels really mushy.

I don't know your experience level, so I'll just throw this out there: Are you sure you are doing it right? Meaning, applying the glue both on rubber and blade and then waiting a good 30+ or however many minutes for it to completely dry or at least turn clear on both BEFORE attaching them together? You could play right after that if you wanted, though I let it compress/sit overnight. If you don't let it dry fully, and attach it while white/wet/gooey/etc, it doesn't come out right (glue bubbles, maybe your "mushy" problem). This wasn't intuitive to me for awhile but is second nature now.

ohhgourami wrote: I think it's silly how all of you guys are soooo surprised that they are tuning.  You can hear the tuning in the videos already and that nice pop is coming off of every pro's rubber.  Yes, that probably IS Haifu Oil as I used to use it myself.  It is also undetectable so the ITTF cannot prove anything. Yes, the Chinese tune, but so does everything else.  Not using this as an excuse to say it is right or not, just I think it's silly people are always pointing fingers at the Chinese - availability heuristic.

beeray1 wrote: ohhgourami wrote: I think it's silly how all of you guys are soooo surprised that they are tuning.  You can hear the tuning in the videos already and that nice pop is coming off of every pro's rubber.  Yes, that probably IS Haifu Oil as I used to use it myself.  It is also undetectable so the ITTF cannot prove anything. Yes, the Chinese tune, but so does everything else.  Not using this as an excuse to say it is right or not, just I think it's silly people are always pointing fingers at the Chinese - availability heuristic.   I'd agree with you, friend. Everyone is always pointing the fingers at the chinese. But I guess it's just because people will always hate on who's on top. Especially when the dominance is so severe. And, you'd be suprised at how much of it is negativity geared by racism. No matter how taboo it seems to talk about, I can see racism towards chinese people in a lot of people's attitudes.     I thought it was funny in that video specifically how many people were pointing out WLQ, when all he was doing was layering water glue on a brand new sheet of rubber, while Ma Lin had a CUT rubber that was super domed being re applied with a bottle of haifu oil right next to it.   Either way, I don't care. My opinion of them is just as high, because everyone tunes at that level, I don't care what anyone says. And in my eyes, it's okay. Don't bother commenting at me if you are one of those "it's illegal so you're a sh*tty person" opinion having unrealistic turds. I'm 7 beers in so it won't matter.   I remember a while back that the ITTF was investigating Haifu Oil specifically because they thought it was a good remedy, but I haven't heard anything regarding the reversal of legality or anything.   I have an interesting and funny tidbit- I just got a new sheet of Old #20 H3, and want to tune it. I have the "haifu oil substitute" from ttnpp, and as I'm ready to apply it I realize it smells almost identical to vegetable oil. Go figure. They are putting vegetable oil in a canister and selling it as a tuner. Also, it looks nothing like Haifu Oil anyway. Now I'm almost afraid to use my rubber, because I have nothing to prime it with, and nothing to tune it with. :(   yeah, that's right MYTT. I tune. :O:O:O:O

Cheater.

(kidding...)

beeray1 wrote: I don't want to tune it as much as usual, because it's a 39 instead of a 40 (albert sent me what he had, I guess) so It's already soft.   This stuff doesn't seem to be absorbed into the sponge very fast, so I'm going to be waiting a while. I put it on anyway, in the end. I really think it's just vegetable oil.   I wouldn't tune H3 with paraffin oil, at least a non-neo. I don't like the weird effects of paraffin oil over time. It is different every time, and in the end the rubber plays awfully. That's why I went back to Hammond X instead of tuning the MarkV. Hammond X doesn't need tune. MarkV does for how I play BH.   I wish I had some haifu oil..... or some speedglue :)

Why don't you get some speed glue? It's pretty easy to obtain and not terribly expensive. Albert has some Haifu speed glue, for example. I'll be super-priming my blue sponge TG3 just as soon as I get it.

beeray1 wrote: eh, his price for speedglue is steep for me. Besides, I want to get used to the idea of tuning with something. I don't want to just prime the rubber. I feel like if I don't feel that 'pop' every time I hit the ball, then something is wrong. lol. Dangers of playing with glue/tune. I have played with Haifu Oil ONCE, and I feel like I've never lost the addiction of the feel it produces.

Well if you find a source, let me know. I'm interested in trying it...




Edited by Anton Chigurh - 03/13/2011 at 4:16am

beeray1 wrote: haha, If I was rich.   I heard that 300ml went for 600 dollars in one specific sale to a province player. Haifu Oil is super scarce.

Ouch!

That's lunacy.

beeray1 wrote: ohhgourami wrote: I think it's silly how all of you guys are soooo surprised that they are tuning.  You can hear the tuning in the videos already and that nice pop is coming off of every pro's rubber.  Yes, that probably IS Haifu Oil as I used to use it myself.  It is also undetectable so the ITTF cannot prove anything. Yes, the Chinese tune, but so does everything else.  Not using this as an excuse to say it is right or not, just I think it's silly people are always pointing fingers at the Chinese - availability heuristic.   I'd agree with you, friend. Everyone is always pointing the fingers at the chinese. But I guess it's just because people will always hate on who's on top. Especially when the dominance is so severe. And, you'd be suprised at how much of it is negativity geared by racism. No matter how taboo it seems to talk about, I can see racism towards chinese people in a lot of people's attitudes.     I thought it was funny in that video specifically how many people were pointing out WLQ, when all he was doing was layering water glue on a brand new sheet of rubber, while Ma Lin had a CUT rubber that was super domed being re applied with a bottle of haifu oil right next to it.   Either way, I don't care. My opinion of them is just as high, because everyone tunes at that level, I don't care what anyone says. And in my eyes, it's okay. Don't bother commenting at me if you are one of those "it's illegal so you're a sh*tty person" opinion having unrealistic turds. I'm 7 beers in so it won't matter.   I remember a while back that the ITTF was investigating Haifu Oil specifically because they thought it was a good remedy, but I haven't heard anything regarding the reversal of legality or anything.   I have an interesting and funny tidbit- I just got a new sheet of Old #20 H3, and want to tune it. I have the "haifu oil substitute" from ttnpp, and as I'm ready to apply it I realize it smells almost identical to vegetable oil. Go figure. They are putting vegetable oil in a canister and selling it as a tuner. Also, it looks nothing like Haifu Oil anyway. Now I'm almost afraid to use my rubber, because I have nothing to prime it with, and nothing to tune it with. :(   yeah, that's right MYTT. I tune. :O:O:O:O

I don't see how it's justified that the chinese "need" to tune or are more entitled to than other players in all honesty. The glue ban impacted euro players a lot more than it did the chinese.

Voc free is meant to promote healthy sport, just to avoid player inhale the organic chemical and do harm to oneself. If this is the only rationale of ITTF, then there is always technology such as tenergy, factory tunned, ....that cause no harm to player and givee the power or speed required by the player.

In short, I support factory tuning as well as DIY tuning if this is not doing any harm to your body, just to avoid the dearest tenergy product.

I used to tune the engine of my cheap car, just because it is not a Ferrari or Porsche, and I enjoy the process more than the result. However, one may not able to imagine that this may be illegal in some countries and planet!



Edited by ttc537dp - 03/13/2011 at 11:42am

Fruit loop wrote: I don't see how it's justified that the chinese "need" to tune or are more entitled to than other players in all honesty. The glue ban impacted euro players a lot more than it did the chinese.

Not saying that the Chinese "need" to tune or are more entitled to more than other.  The way I see it, everyone needs to tune.  I will agree that euro players need tuning a lot more too, but the problem is that most fingers are pointed at the Chinese.  The Chinese are the ones tuning; the Chinese are the ones using illegal rubbers; the Chinese are cheating.  It's the Chinese fault.  It's the mentality and attitude towards the Chinese that people have.  It's freakin ridiculous!

If a video was put up showing Boll with a bottle of tuner, I bet reactions would be different.  I'm not even saying this because I dislike Boll either even though I respect him for his sportsmanship.  But I am almost certain he tunes as much as any other player on the CNT.



With no disrespect to Dan of TTDaily, I find the title of the video VERY MISLEADING.  Nowhere in the video does it show WLQ tuning.  A bottle of tuner is nowhere to be seen by him as jiggly as his sheet of rubber may look.  Very sensationalistic.

lild100 wrote: beeray1 wrote: ohhgourami wrote: I think it's silly how all of you guys are soooo surprised that they are tuning.  You can hear the tuning in the videos already and that nice pop is coming off of every pro's rubber.  Yes, that probably IS Haifu Oil as I used to use it myself.  It is also undetectable so the ITTF cannot prove anything. Yes, the Chinese tune, but so does everything else.  Not using this as an excuse to say it is right or not, just I think it's silly people are always pointing fingers at the Chinese - availability heuristic.   I'd agree with you, friend. Everyone is always pointing the fingers at the chinese. But I guess it's just because people will always hate on who's on top. Especially when the dominance is so severe. And, you'd be suprised at how much of it is negativity geared by racism. No matter how taboo it seems to talk about, I can see racism towards chinese people in a lot of people's attitudes.     I thought it was funny in that video specifically how many people were pointing out WLQ, when all he was doing was layering water glue on a brand new sheet of rubber, while Ma Lin had a CUT rubber that was super domed being re applied with a bottle of haifu oil right next to it.   Either way, I don't care. My opinion of them is just as high, because everyone tunes at that level, I don't care what anyone says. And in my eyes, it's okay. Don't bother commenting at me if you are one of those "it's illegal so you're a sh*tty person" opinion having unrealistic turds. I'm 7 beers in so it won't matter.   I remember a while back that the ITTF was investigating Haifu Oil specifically because they thought it was a good remedy, but I haven't heard anything regarding the reversal of legality or anything.   I have an interesting and funny tidbit- I just got a new sheet of Old #20 H3, and want to tune it. I have the "haifu oil substitute" from ttnpp, and as I'm ready to apply it I realize it smells almost identical to vegetable oil. Go figure. They are putting vegetable oil in a canister and selling it as a tuner. Also, it looks nothing like Haifu Oil anyway. Now I'm almost afraid to use my rubber, because I have nothing to prime it with, and nothing to tune it with. :(   yeah, that's right MYTT. I tune. :O:O:O:O I just want to say, i aint pointing fingers at anyone,, this is just the first case where ive seen a pro have a booster bottle next to them... and in this case it happened to be a Chinese pro..  We all know they are all boosting... just think the sporting rules need to be careful, because it does not make sence the pros are allowed to get away with it and us guys are not. How are we ever dream to get to there level when they have bats out of this world eh...

"the pros are allowed to get away with it  and us guys are not."

what do you mean by that??  this stuff is VOC-free so it is not currently detectable by the devices the ittf uses.  so, there's no "scientific" or "objective" way that the ittf or anyone else can determine whether someone has used a booster or not.  looking at a grainy video and saying, "oh, so-and-so's rubber looks (or sounds) like it's (non-factory) tuned is just total BS, period.

so, there is absolutely nothing preventing you or anyone else here from using haifu oil or any other VOC-free booster, as long as your rubber doesn't expand beyond the legal height.  and that's really the trick--getting good enough at it to the point where you can consistently do it without overexpanding the rubber.

as for that bottle you see on ma lin's table, alexli sells that here at the MYTT store.

the question that i have asked repeatedly which no one here, including prez sharara, seems willing to answer is, what sense does it make to make a rule that is TOTALLY UNENFORCEABLE????

hahahahaha!! yeah, that's the trick, buddy, er, mate, as you guys say over there across the pond!!

happy boosting!! 

p.s.

i'm putting in my order to alexli for some of that magic HAIFU OIL just as we speak...

I just checked taobao, one bottle of haifu oil for the low low price of 1200 yuan (182$)

Slade wrote: BeaverMD wrote: Can anyone who understands Chinese give a gist of the interview? I usually need at least 24 hours of letting a racket dry after using water glue but I usually let mine dry for 2 or 3 days before using.  Otherwise, it feels really mushy. I don't know your experience level, so I'll just throw this out there: Are you sure you are doing it right? Meaning, applying the glue both on rubber and blade and then waiting a good 30+ or however many minutes for it to completely dry or at least turn clear on both BEFORE attaching them together? You could play right after that if you wanted, though I let it compress/sit overnight. If you don't let it dry fully, and attach it while white/wet/gooey/etc, it doesn't come out right (glue bubbles, maybe your "mushy" problem). This wasn't intuitive to me for awhile but is second nature now.

Any idea what this is?

10 layers?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8497123703

here's the google translate:

White base, dark brown to jet up!

How to use: glue evenly wipe the sponge on the end has to lay and racket,

                  Air dry, about 12-24 hours depending on the environment

         Recommendation: New foam backing not less than 10 times, each time with a hot air dryer to speed the second time before they can hit low

                  Drying time is about 10 minutes

         Characteristics: flexibility, speed, persistence up to 7 days

         Use: hard and soft sponge sponge