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    Posted: 08/04/2020 at 5:03pm


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What is the rating for the long pip guy?


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Semi pro? Guy is a monster.
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Originally posted by lgxb lgxb wrote:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1PooZspJ4

What is the rating for the long pip guy?

First of all ratings are NOT based on just head-to-results or how graceful you look (this is not gymnastics or  figure-skating) or who is using long-pips etc

Even otherwise it is very difficult to reasonably estimate ratings since ratings are based on how well you perform against many many many individual styles. You may be way off 300 to 500 points even with a ballpark number.

I know many coaches who lower their level in training just slightly bit above the trainees  to make the trainee look good in their mind ( so they will keep taking lessons..............it is like a psychiatrist never cures you for years so (s)he can keep collecting easy insurance money. )

When I first started I knew a 2100 plus club owner who will always beat me 11-9 (or deuce)  in the 5th, while many 1500 players beat me in 3 games. Many 1600+  players would avoid playing me at any cost.  He did this so I won't give up & quit & stop generating revenue for him 

This is basically like what I may have to do at US Nationals, lower my level just be a touch above my opponent, so I won't hurt their feelings.




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Originally posted by wilkinru wilkinru wrote:

Semi pro? Guy is a monster.

As far as I know, he's not. He may have coach but definitely just amateur.
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Wow, that's definitely one of the more unique styles I've seen recently. For all I know this guy could be as high as top 300 in the world or just a decent provincial player in China.
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Originally posted by sunila sunila wrote:

When I first started I knew a 2100 plus club owner who will always beat me 11-9 (or deuce)  in the 5th, while many 1500 players beat me in 3 games. Many 1600+  players would avoid playing me at any cost.  He did this so I won't give up & quit & stop generating revenue for him 

Just a slightly different way to see it, but some people I know lower their level to just above mine when we play. They do it because it's the best for me to learn. They make the match challenging but not impossible.
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Based on the spin variation, foot work and quality of the loops, he’s easily 2300-2400.
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Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Originally posted by sunila sunila wrote:

When I first started I knew a 2100 plus club owner who will always beat me 11-9 (or deuce)  in the 5th, while many 1500 players beat me in 3 games. Many 1600+  players would avoid playing me at any cost.  He did this so I won't give up & quit & stop generating revenue for him 

Just a slightly different way to see it, but some people I know lower their level to just above mine when we play. They do it because it's the best for me to learn. They make the match challenging but not impossible.

Both you two are very considerate people.
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Dude's serves are WAY over 2300 hidden and blatant illegal toss, never removes hand/arm...
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Hi,

There was an Asian player in the 1970's that played in a similar way at the international level.  I don't remember his name.  As I recall, he was not mainland Chinese.

Due to some limitations in his approach to play, this player is susceptible to certain strategies by players with powerful games that are able to exploit these limitations.

He is very skillful within his feature set.

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I've seen videos of 2500+'s players posted, and this guy seems like he'll give those guys a huge run for their money....

For reference, he seems to have way better control and court coverage than pushblocker who's reached 2300 without even attacking... He attacks as well as he defends (look at all those very heavy powerloops he defended with perfect height). But of course this is a highlight and he might not be that consistent but tbh that's unlikely...

FFS he loops with long pips as hard as some do using inverted lol....


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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

I've seen videos of 2500+'s players posted, and this guy seems like he'll give those guys a huge run for their money....

For reference, he seems to have way better control and court coverage than pushblocker who's reached 2300 without even attacking... He attacks as well as he defends (look at all those very heavy powerloops he defended with perfect height). But of course this is a highlight and he might not be that consistent but tbh that's unlikely...

FFS he loops with long pips as hard as some do using inverted lol....

He loops with inverted black.  He twiddle occasionally. 
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Originally posted by lgxb lgxb wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1PooZspJ4
What is the rating for the long pip guy?

A whole lot higher than any of us. 
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

I've seen videos of 2500+'s players posted, and this guy seems like he'll give those guys a huge run for their money....

For reference, he seems to have way better control and court coverage than pushblocker who's reached 2300 without even attacking... He attacks as well as he defends (look at all those very heavy powerloops he defended with perfect height). But of course this is a highlight and he might not be that consistent but tbh that's unlikely...

FFS he loops with long pips as hard as some do using inverted lol....

He loops with inverted black.  He twiddle occasionally. 

You're right, I thought it was unreal that he could powerloop like that with pips... This makes a lot more sense. Still the speed of twiddling is so fast and smooth that I had to watch it in slowmo to actually see it happening, this guy has some insane skills...
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Hi,

An advancement to the solution to this question would be found in conjuring up a match between him and Sunila of Los Angeles, a contributor to this forum, who is projected to win the next World's Veterans 40+ event, which, in the past, has been won by professional players.

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

An advancement to the solution to this question would be found in conjuring up a match between him and Sunila of Los Angeles, a contributor to this forum, who is projected to win the next World's Veterans 40+ event, which, in the past, has been won by professional players.

Thanks. 



I heard there was some Polish immigrant who won US Nationals when he was 47 

I know Waldner won Swedish when he was well over 40

There may be others.


Please define a "professional" player in table-tennis >  because every immigrant to US or Canada claims he or she was National (or at least State) Champion in their old country and every born American claims he or she was the champion of their sub-division or neighborhood bar.

I never said I am "projected" to win 40+
I said I "guarantee"  to win BOTH 40+ as well as (all age) US National Championships


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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

An advancement to the solution to this question would be found in conjuring up a match between him and Sunila of Los Angeles, a contributor to this forum, who is projected to win the next World's Veterans 40+ event, which, in the past, has been won by professional players.

Thanks. 
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

I've seen videos of 2500+'s players posted, and this guy seems like he'll give those guys a huge run for their money....

For reference, he seems to have way better control and court coverage than pushblocker who's reached 2300 without even attacking... He attacks as well as he defends (look at all those very heavy powerloops he defended with perfect height). But of course this is a highlight and he might not be that consistent but tbh that's unlikely...

FFS he loops with long pips as hard as some do using inverted lol....

He loops with inverted black.  He twiddle occasionally. 

You're right, I thought it was unreal that he could powerloop like that with pips... This makes a lot more sense. Still the speed of twiddling is so fast and smooth that I had to watch it in slowmo to actually see it happening, this guy has some insane skills...

He is 2400+ for sure (and while that may be way too low, people should realize that 2400+ is nothing to sniff at and is semi-pro or professional in just about every country on earth and national champion in many countries with no real TT culture).
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Originally posted by lgxb lgxb wrote:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1PooZspJ4

What is the rating for the long pip guy?


Scary good.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

An advancement to the solution to this question would be found in conjuring up a match between him and Sunila of Los Angeles, a contributor to this forum, who is projected to win the next World's Veterans 40+ event, which, in the past, has been won by professional players.

Thanks. 
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He wins every point so he must be good

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Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

He wins every point so he must be good


The crazy RPB penholder guy won a couple points against him in the video haha...
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

He wins every point so he must be good


The crazy RPB penholder guy won a couple points against him in the video haha...

That crazy RPB penholder is acutally pro -- he's former  CNT team 2 player. But this long pip guy is just amateur AFAIK.
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Wow, that's definitely one of the more unique styles I've seen recently. For all I know this guy could be as high as top 300 in the world or just a decent provincial player in China.

That other RPB penholder is acutally pro -- he's former  CNT team 2 player. But this long pip guy is just amateur AFAIK.
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Originally posted by lgxb lgxb wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Wow, that's definitely one of the more unique styles I've seen recently. For all I know this guy could be as high as top 300 in the world or just a decent provincial player in China.

That other RPB penholder is acutally pro -- he's former  CNT team 2 player. But this long pip guy is just amateur AFAIK.

If you can hang with CNT B, I reckon you can also hang with WR 300. Smile
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I think it's safe to say he plays like a pro, even if he doesn't play for a living. He is going head to head with a CNT B team player after all. Amazing LP play.
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Originally posted by lgxb lgxb wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Wow, that's definitely one of the more unique styles I've seen recently. For all I know this guy could be as high as top 300 in the world or just a decent provincial player in China.

That other RPB penholder is acutally pro -- he's former  CNT team 2 player. But this long pip guy is just amateur AFAIK.

If you can hang with CNT B, I reckon you can also hang with WR 300. Smile

lol, I can't argue with that
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Im not sure of which one is the long pimple player as the penholder does the blocking and hitting and the other guy had real problems
if the shake hander was the long pips player he only won a few points, so he was not hanging out in the pen holders high lighted winners
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I would put him around 2350 +/- 50 pts.  He's very fast on his feet and he plays very well with the long pips. His FH drive is also very good.  
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