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Rollko
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Posted: 01/21/2022 at 7:59pm |
Hi all,
I've heard that the reason why pros like to receive the serves early just after the bounce when the ball is risi is because, supposedly, after the ball kicks off the table, there is less spin on it - as if some of the spin was transformed into the vector kick effect before developing fully (and of course ultimately slowing down once again in the final stages of the trajectory). Is there any substance to this?
Edited by Rollko - 01/21/2022 at 7:59pm |
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avova
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no, of course not. Where would the extra spin come from?
Edited by avova - 01/21/2022 at 8:32pm |
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avova
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Pros hit the ball early because:
1) you give less time to your opponent 2) you can return the serve short. If you wait longer you lose this option. The bounce after your return will be roughly the same distance or longer on the opposing side, compared to where you hit it. So to return short you must hit early. 3) Some balls are just naturally easier to return on the rise vs when it is dropping.
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avova
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Another bizarre thing that you hear is that spin comes from acceleration at the time of contact, LMAO. Of course not. It comes from the __speed__ at the time of contact.
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Baal
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Exactly. In reality, the ball loses spin over time as a result of friction between the rotsting ball surface and the air. Edited by Baal - 01/22/2022 at 11:14pm |
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LongLips
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As someone with serve returns as a big weakness I'd be happy to hear more on this. Would it just be backspin serves that are easier? Or all short ones maybe?
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NextLevel
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Taking balls early lets you use some of the existing energy on the ball - it leads to a stroke that is smaller and uses less effort but also (and especially when played over the table and not on a ball above net height) limits your ability to play a powerful stroke.
Serve returns are a relative weakness for everyone - with experience reading spin and especially with deliberate practice with good players and coaches, it gets better. The most important thing is to develop technical strokes for returning serves and not just touch or stab at the ball. When you develop a technical stroke (even if it is an unconventional one, like a sideswipe) and repeatedly use it, noticing the errors you make on different kinds of balls lets you know what was likely on the ball. Using strokes that you don't practice will often leave you lost as to what adjustments you may need to make when you miss.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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BH-Man
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I will expound on Next Level's first sentence.
When the bounces on your side, it has the maximum vertical velocity that it is gunna have. When you impact right after bounce (or better - just get bat loose there until you learn more touch) you do not need lifting on the stroke. You are using all that vertical velocity already at that point, so it is pointless (pun intended) to lift. This makes it real easy to just get the bat there and be there ready loose. An additional benefit is that impacting the ball so early gives you loads of spin potential without even moving the bat. How can you visualize this? Go find a brick wall near a hard surface. Take a tennis ball from one meter back and bounce it towards the wall... bounce it 30-45 cm from the wall and get the ball to come back to your hand. Note what spin is on your ball. NOW... make than bounce happen just a few cm from the wall and see how much more spin the ball has coming back to your hand. In essence, taking the ball early off the bounce removes the requirement to make bat speed for a short receive - it definitely removes the requirement to use a lifting motion. One way to look at it is since the ball is already moving upwards as fast as it is gunna go, it is similar to your bat moving at x speed vs a ball with little velocity.
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Baal
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it's a great technique to practice and it really does make serve returns more controllable. But one thing for sure to keep in mind is it will reveal quickly deficits that you may have in footwork or fitness. That's because after you step in to return it's really important to take a quick step back out so that you are prepared for the next shot. And that next shot may require that you step back in again.
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Basquests
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There's a lot of great advice in this thread, and it shows how much there is to think about when receiving.
The more understanding and practice and technical excellence (bat angle explanation from nextlevel, taking some balls early some balls later, moving in and out quickly so you are getting a good receive but also ready for the 4th ball) and the explanation with the tennis ball as to why off the bounce is a very viable option...it all is so important in taking your receiving to the next level (pun intended). And with the ability to be more precise, hit shorter short balls, longer and heavier chops, both to FH, Bh (and middle/elbow) from getting better at these things, it all makes a huge difference in who wins the match. Either almost directly from the receive, or in setting up an advantage for the remainder of the point.
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yogi_bear
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for flicks, it is easier to flick short underspin serves if you take it on early rather than late due to lesser chances of hitting the net.
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Tbh it's safer to take it later as you have more information on the ball spin if you observe the ball trajectory closely. However this limits your placement options and places less time pressure on the opponent. For aggressive strokes like flicks it is best to hit them top of the bounce to ensure safety in the trajectory. For pushes the timing is a lot more flexible, you can take it early, top of the bounce and even during its falling stage if you want to. Taking it early is usually ideal but you can't always do it unless you have good anticipation and footwork.
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