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    Posted: 05/14/2019 at 7:49pm

for the part where the mind is lost go to 14:23 Tongue

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It seems that Devos also got a yellow card after losing the 3rd game but it wasn't shown in the edit.

I think a lot of people of any level from bottom to top in this sport have a sort of mentality that if you play a style that isn't a fast offensive style, that your style is somehow "less than" and shouldn't be allowed to win against their "powerful" offense.

Ouaiche might lob too much for my preferences but I love that he plays a unique and very allround style that changes the pace of the game. I think that Devos felt that since he wasn't outgunned, so to say, that he shouldn't have lost the match.

I think it's a terrible mentality to have and hurts future players from exploring other ways of playing. While it's true defenders and allrounders will have trouble breaking into the top 10 in the world, if a player has the toxic mentality that fast offense is the only way to play then he might be limiting his personal abilities.

For example, let's say this player peaks at 350 in the world playing a purely offensive game but if he played an allround game like Ouaiche, he peaks at rank 55 in the world. Wouldn't it be advantageous for that individual to play a style more suited to his abilities than to follow some shallow dogma that you're only allowed to hit the ball hard?
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I like the style of ouaiche too.... so smooth Thumbs Up
I think he might have learned it from patrick chila (coach of france now), or at least got some influence.

in top top level like against the chinese and so on.... he might be giving up too much table.
check ma long or fan zhendong, they never go away from the table.

as for devos, I think he was just angry that he lost.
nothing against the style of ouaiche.




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Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:


as for devos, I think he was just angry that he lost.
nothing against the style of ouaiche.




Yes, I'm taking a lot of liberties and making a lot of assumptions in regards to what Devos actually thinks but I was reminded of the topic and it's still a plausible possibility.
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I don't get the sense that Devos was pissed at the style of his opponent, he just seemed disappointed to lose such a close match, and one he felt was winnable. There were some very high quality rallies, and both played to an excellent standard. Tough one to lose.
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"For example, let's say this player peaks at 350 in the world playing a purely offensive game but if he played an allround game like Ouaiche, he peaks at rank 55 in the world. Wouldn't it be advantageous for that individual to play a style more suited to his abilities than to follow some shallow dogma that you're only allowed to hit the ball hard?"

Totally agree. And it can be more fun to watch!
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Originally posted by Odie Odie wrote:

"For example, let's say this player peaks at 350 in the world playing a purely offensive game but if he played an allround game like Ouaiche, he peaks at rank 55 in the world. Wouldn't it be advantageous for that individual to play a style more suited to his abilities than to follow some shallow dogma that you're only allowed to hit the ball hard?"

Totally agree. And it can be more fun to watch!

no way someone would be 350 with one style and 55 with another style.
in the case of ouaiche I think if he only looped and attacked he would be in a similar position in the ranking.
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Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

Originally posted by Odie Odie wrote:

"For example, let's say this player peaks at 350 in the world playing a purely offensive game but if he played an allround game like Ouaiche, he peaks at rank 55 in the world. Wouldn't it be advantageous for that individual to play a style more suited to his abilities than to follow some shallow dogma that you're only allowed to hit the ball hard?"

Totally agree. And it can be more fun to watch!

no way someone would be 350 with one style and 55 with another style.
in the case of ouaiche I think if he only looped and attacked he would be in a similar position in the ranking.


I was just pulling a random number. Even if I said 150, the point still stands.
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

Originally posted by Odie Odie wrote:

"For example, let's say this player peaks at 350 in the world playing a purely offensive game but if he played an allround game like Ouaiche, he peaks at rank 55 in the world. Wouldn't it be advantageous for that individual to play a style more suited to his abilities than to follow some shallow dogma that you're only allowed to hit the ball hard?"

Totally agree. And it can be more fun to watch!

no way someone would be 350 with one style and 55 with another style.
in the case of ouaiche I think if he only looped and attacked he would be in a similar position in the ranking.


I was just pulling a random number. Even if I said 150, the point still stands.

you think if ouaiche didn't defend his ranking would be lower?
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Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

you think if ouaiche didn't defend his ranking would be lower?


Not specifically that. I'm saying that if he changed his style, he would not play as well as he has.
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I Watched that match live.  Devos was up 9-6 in the 7th and lost 5 straight points to lose the match.  There may have been other things, but he fought so hard that was enough to lose his mind.  He was also fairly passive from 9-6.

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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

you think if ouaiche didn't defend his ranking would be lower?


Not specifically that. I'm saying that if he changed his style, he would not play as well as he has.

I don't know....
his defensive shots look cool and it's entertaining to watch.
but if a chinese coach grabbed him and forced him to play chinese style over the table I don't know what would happen.
maybe he would be even more effective than he is now.
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Ouaiche is one of my favorite players to watch. 
Reminds me good old days of 38mm ball when we had a lot of different styles and tactics rather than  overpowering your opponent.
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What kind of discipline does Devos receive for throwing his racket? There should be some.
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I would be pissed too if I loss from 7-2 up in the 7th.
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student


vs

master



I still have a tibhar chila blade and use it often, glad they are doing well Beer


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Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

student

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Oh, that master type playing, that old school-like curves, ability to change the pace off the game and strokes. It was such beauty to both play and watch other's plays back than. Game is still beautiful, but I am one of them who misses smaller balls I guess... 
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the 40mm ball is perfectly fine, there's no reason to change other than to make money off easily broken balls it's kind of ridiculous. 
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Originally posted by danseemiller danseemiller wrote:

What kind of discipline does Devos receive for throwing his racket? There should be some.

He got a yellow card. But they don't carry over to the next games. So good on him. 
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