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nathanso
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Posted: 09/04/2013 at 5:21pm |
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I first learned of hunkeelin aka Coach Lin in another thread on this forum, and despite the flame war that ensued there, was sufficiently intrigued by his previous training and accomplishments in HK to take him up on his $15 for 30 minutes introductory offer. That he coaches in the same county I live in was also a plus. In fact, the training ended up taking place at my home TT club, Concord Table Tennis Club; a club that has no staff coaches and thus no objection to freelance coaches using the facility to train club members (not all Bay Area clubs have this policy for perfectly understandable business reasons).
Prior to the training session I spoke with Lin by telephone so he could be clear on my club's policy toward freelance coaching, and also understand what my goals and objectives were. I wanted to focus on my BH-to-FH transition; something I've struggled with for years with little progress. We agreed to meet at 10:30AM for the 30 minute session. Sunday at the club I began warm-ups at 10:00AM and Lin arrived at 10:20AM.. 10 minutes early. At 10:30AM we started the session and Lin began assessing my basic strokes and reactions. Almost immediately he seized on a problem so obvious that, as a USATT 1700+ rated player, I'm more than a little sheepish to admit: I had no FH counter-drive stoke. I had a FH loop, yes; but it was a long-arm loop with too much backswing. My loop was effective in corner-to-corner drills; impressive against my robot; but it was way too slow to use in most rallies.. which was exactly why I felt I never had time during a rally to use my FH. (I'm 6'3" which doesn't help matters). What proceed next was somewhat humbling: Basic FH-to-FH counter-drive drill, albeit at high speed and with a goal of 150 consecutive hits without a miss. I had almost zero feeling for this tiny stroke since I had apparently "missed class" that day 5-6 years ago when I took basic TT training. I hit dozens of easy balls into the net. I kept wanting to spin and lift the ball. Lin kept telling me to hit into the ball instead. I clearly need to drill on this new stroke! At that point the 30 minutes was up and we quickly agreed to extend to the full hour for $30 total. For the rest of the session we did more FH counter-drive drills and Lin also assessed by serves. I like to mix up my serves, serving sometimes with LP and sometime with inverted which was a problem for Lin. How could LP produce a quality serve given its limited ability to spin? Sure, I win lots of points with LP serves as I've learned to vary and disguise its spin rather well, but Lin wanted me to have a serve that worked on 1800 rated players and beyond. And it's true.. certain players are able to pounce on every LP serve I put out there, but I hadn't seriously considered sidelining my LP serves altogether. Lin showed me how I could generate huge backspin by serving BH inverted and then twiddling for 3rd ball attack.. definitely something I need to practice into the catch net. At that point we had gone a bit beyond an hour so we called it a session. How would I rate Lin as a coach? I've had at least a half dozen coaches and mentors over the past 5-6 years during which time I've built my USATT rating from 900 to over 1700. I've been coached by 2500+ elite level players as well as retirees who were probably 1500 or below. I don't know Lin's USATT rating or if he even has one, and we didn't play any points for me to assess his match skills. By his own admission he has hardly played in the past eight years. But I don't consider any of that to be of primary importance. For me, a coach has to be able to do a few things very effectively, and not all coaches are equally skilled in all these areas: 1) Know proper form and be able to demonstrate it. 2) Know effective training drills and be able to perform them. 3) Observe a student's play and from it draw critical analysis. 4) Communicate what the student is doing wrong and what they need to do to correct it. 5) Serve and rally at or above the student's level (simply to keep the ball in play during drills). Perhaps the most pivotal skills are #3 and #4, and at these Lin is amongst the best I've encountered. Sure, I've had coaches talk around this topic but none were able to make clear to me the essence of the problem. And in less than two minutes, Lin was able to both recognize (#3) and effectively communicate (#4) to me what my primary problem was. For me, that was a revelation. For players who already posses a strong grasp of the fundamentals and who are playing at or above 1750, Lin might not be their ideal coach. This would apply to highly-trained juniors who have trained with elite level coaches starting at an early age. But for the rest of us, anyone who is either trying to develop their game from scratch, or is trying to correct or improve certain aspects of their game, and appreciates effective and efficient instruction, I recommend taking Lin up on his ridiculously cheap $15 for 30 minutes introductory offer. Lin can be reached at [email protected], or by phone at (732)216-7799. I've already got him booked for this coming Sunday. |
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stiltt
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Well done Nathanso; I enjoyed reading your review; I wish him the best as a coach and to you the same in your progress endeavor.
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jt99sf
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It's too bad his manners didn't transfer here.
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Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)
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nathanso
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AgentHEX
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The forum regulars sure know how to bring out the best in folks.
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Pondus
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Wha... wha... wha did you just say? If that wasn't some form of self deprecating sarcasm, then you, Sir, just blew my mind. |
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AgentHEX
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Sure brings out the best in me at least.
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jt99sf
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Bi-polar
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chronos
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This is such a great followup to that epic thread, nathanso thanks for posting this. A coach who can correct mistakes / fill in gaps can save a LOT of time, and that takes wisdom, its more than just being a strong player. I think everyone should definitely set aside those outrageous forum posts and have a sense of humor about it.
nathanso, you should organize a regular group of training partners that meet at that club on Sundays, each gets an individual hour of coaching and the rest of the time does drills with occasional tips from Coach Lin, training partners changing up every 20 minutes or so, everyone trains with everyone, it can turn into something big.
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AgentHEX
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Was the bad man mean to you? |
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AgentHEX
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Hollywood needs to make this movie. A story of coming back, misunderstood by all and scorn by a unforgiving society, challenges and redemption, complete with feel-good ending. All I ask for the script is get cast as either comedic sidekick or at least goon #2. Edited by AgentHEX - 09/04/2013 at 11:45pm |
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JaredTTsmith
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I too have a coaching session with Lin last saturday in UCD's arc for 3 hours. I would say pretty much the same as Nathanso. I have had 5~6 coaches range from 1900 to 2600 previously. Among the coaches I had, coach Lin is certainly one of the better ones. He is fairly decent at a price of 30/hr. He has a good understanding of the game. He also speaks fluent English. During the session we practice on backhand, flicks, serves, and service return. We played few games afterwards. He main in SH grip and I would estimate that he is around 1900; his PH however is somewhere around 1600. I searched up the forum and there seem to be some rebuttals between him and some forum members. For those who are hoping to see that match between him and a 2600 player, I don’t think he will stand a chance. He won’t get anywhere near that level in a short period of time. However, that is not my concern. As for coaching, he is a decent one, a coach with quality above his price listed. I have this post earlier this Monday. It was deleted, sorry for the explicit content as I am very proactive on matters related to homosexual. |
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chronos
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Lets make the AgentHEX gets banned movie please mods
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AgentHEX
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jt99sf
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Yes, Sheldon. |
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idk
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Am I the only one who at least is slightly considering the possibility that nathanso is just in on the joke?
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AgentHEX
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Ok, Zach. |
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stiltt
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idk
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You could come up with something better than JaredTTSmith for this bogus post FYI for future trolling attempts.
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JaredTTsmith
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Excuse me from this forum if you are not taking me seroiusly. I have random VPN assign for me everytime I log in. Though now understand why coach lin request me writing a review for him earlier, as meeting such aggressive individuals in this forum that would readily treat my regards as fillipant. He certainly need some vouches.
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idk
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You accidentally reverted to your old writing tone in this post, Keith. Oh and "having a random VPN assigned for you every time you log in" is a pretty bad excuse coming from a CS student... but that's irrelevant.
Edited by idk - 09/05/2013 at 12:48am |
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stiltt
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anyway, good luck to coach lin. he needs some.
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jt99sf
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It seems retirement doesn't agree with him. |
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AgentHEX
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Though your tenacity in the face of failure is admirable, let's hope coach Lin doesn't follow your example.
Edited by AgentHEX - 09/05/2013 at 1:04am |
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pongmaster
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this thread. hilarious. what a bogus review hahaha.
Edited by pongmaster - 09/05/2013 at 2:11am |
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kolevtt
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I know coaches with 2400-2500 rating which can't even talk with understanding about the tt problems of their students and also 2000 rating coaches which are more talking than playing table tennis, but they are only talking just to spent the time of the student.
Nathanso, thank you for your honest review. But I can't agree person without appropriate skills in table tennis can be "Coach". In this case everyone can be "Coach". Also I wrote in another topic to be Coach just means you have enough experience and skills which to use for your teaching...Experience and Skills! According to your opinion I think this boy is more like a low-skilled-partner with a great language skills than a Coach. Good luck to this "Coach" and his students! |
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AgentHEX
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Coaches in sports at lower level than people they're coaching is not that uncommon, otherwise nobody can coach highest level pros. Nathanso's review is very thorough and well thought out. Seems like <2k amateurs can do much worse and often do. This forum like much of the internet or high school loves to pile on any sort of weakness, and while that can be entertaining in a dumb way, it leaves little room to reflect on the situation at large. |
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ZApenholder
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Well, whether Coach Lin made multiple accounts or not is just not doing himself a favour by getting into this position of doubting once again. I recall he got suspended from MYTT for having atleaset 2 accounts and one account backing the other one on a certain discussion. Is there now a 3rd? There are many things to avoid in life and these are all part of it - crediblity!!!!
For Coach Lin, if you are reading this. I have already send you my blessing before. It is now your take to make it work. Credibility and reputation takes time to build. Its difficult to build up, and easily to destroy. Not every one can be a coach, and not every one can be a good coach. I'm sure you are smart and if you reflect back and remorse, i'm sure you will find better ways to do things in the futre. Good luck once again! |
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Tassie52
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This is just plain rude. nathanso is well-known here and on other forums and is highly respected for his input. His reviews are always honest and thorough, and his integrity should not be called into question by someone wanting to make a point. nathanso's work with Charlie of Blades by Charlie is widely known and his reputation is based upon his integrity. idk, I believe that you owe nathanso a full, public apology, at least. Preferably the apology should be followed by your withdrawal from this thread.
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pongmaster
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He was only only postulating the possibility. But I think you understand, there is something fishy going on here. Though I trust the authenticity of nathanso's review, JaredTTSmith is clearly another account made by Lin. You can see the drastic change from the relatively well worded review he first prepared to his reply to idk, the grammar of which is much more characteristic of Lin.
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