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No coach during Mima's match with Sreeja Akula: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GOnIO3g1AE&t=5361s
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女子卓球界のエース・伊藤美誠を封じた高校生のバックドライブ。日本中が待つ、エースの完全復活
https://real-sports.jp/page/articles/753437704284275807

卓球女子・早田ひな、安定した強さの理由 日本のトップに躍り出た彼女の新しい武器を見逃すな!
https://real-sports.jp/page/articles/747653440980648971
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KiwiPong Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/09/2023 at 10:47am
Wonder if she is going through a transition playing without one? Or maybe hiring a new one?! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/09/2023 at 11:29am
5ch users seem not concerned at all.

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137名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/09(木) 21:51:16.40ID:qKs/vt4G
Tリーグからベンチコーチに松崎行方不明�£てまじですか?

168名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/10(金) 18:04:06.44ID:+StJDQ86
フォアがまともなラバーならも�£と楽に戦えるだろうに
あとコーチ不在でも何の問題も無いな

169名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/10(金) 18:04:23.52ID:WooSCoQ1
松崎おらんのか?

170名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/10(金) 18:06:17.26ID:N3VESXHt
�£味コーチとラバーを変えればもうワンステップ上いけそう
伊藤には柔軟性が欲しいものだ

171名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/10(金) 18:07:42.03ID:ePl7C2Qo
松崎いない方が自然なガッツポーズもしてる気が
五輪ミックスのときの逆転勝ちのようなガッツポーズ
マジでどこい�£たんやアイツ

172名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/10(金) 18:08:46.06ID:/ZDcIbW7
松崎コロナ�£たのかもな
もうあいつはず�£とどこかに消えてろ

176名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/10(金) 18:32:31.06ID:+StJDQ86
�£直、戦術のみのコーチを大会に帯同させる意味ないよな
分析だけなら日本でもできるし

177名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/10(金) 18:32:47.50ID:POZFRtrK
実は松崎パワハラだ�£た説あるで()

179名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/10(金) 18:42:12.31ID:/ZDcIbW7
>>176
協会のHP見ると帯同してるんだよな
キ�£ンセルしたなら線引きされて赤文字でキ�£ンセルと書かれるしよくわからんわ

181名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/10(金) 18:47:17.93ID:s7E3TvGj
母親は試合直前に時系列おかしいツイッターしてるしよぅ分からんわ
坂根は頑張�£て働いてそう

182名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/10(金) 18:57:40.34ID:WooSCoQ1
そういや坂根はドバイ経由でアンマン行くとツイートしてたな
�£れてるが今回は辛いみたいに書いてた気がするが、とりあえず坂根も報われただろ

Edited by zeio - 02/10/2023 at 5:02am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/10/2023 at 4:57am
Poor Matsuzaki. Some 5ch users want him replaced, some say Ito plays better without him, some even say he is nonessential if all he can do is tactical analysis.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/10/2023 at 5:15am
Tofu-mental Duda... LOL

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豆腐メンタルドュダに負けてしま�£たか宇田
まあ内容的には0-3負けの試合だ�£たから3ゲーム目7-10を逆転して奪�£ただけよしとしよう
戸上だ�£たらフルゲーム2-2の10-7で3マッチポイントを握�£ているところから5点�£取されて大逆転負けするからな
そしていつもの死ね死ね�£呼マンに死ねと言われる
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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ITO Jyota interviews former CNT player and WTTC MD bronze medalist 楊玉華/Yang Yuhua on the selection system. Togami should take note.

伝説の男・楊玉華、パリ五輪�£表選考を語る。「選手は�£�£が選ぶべきだと思います」
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/65644
Quote ●−中国でも選考会をやることがありますか?

楊 今の中国はわかりませんが、私の時�£は選考会はありませんでした。いくら国内の試合で勝�£ても国外で負けたらダメですから。あくまでも国の�£表選手ですから。

...


●−日本で選考会をや�£ていることは中国から見たらどうでしょう?

楊 想像ですけど、ラッキーでしょう(笑)。例えば、今まで中国選手に勝てた選手が選考会で落選したら、それは中国としてはラッキーですよ。落ちなくても中国対策する時間が減りますから。

●-Are there any selection events held in China?

Yang: I don't know what China is like now, but in my time there was no selection meeting. No matter how much you win in domestic matches, if you lose overseas, it's useless. You're a representative of the country, after all.

...

●-What do you think about the selection process being held in Japan from the Chinese point of view?

Yang: It's just my imagination, but they must be feeling lucky (laughs). For example, if a player who has been able to win against Chinese players is not selected at the selection trial, it is lucky for China. Even if you don't fall, you will have less time to come up with measures for China.

Edited by zeio - 02/10/2023 at 10:39am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Originally posted by apacible apacible wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

FWIW, Mima is really struggling going into next week's WTT Contender.  She lost the 1 game victory match against Cheng I-Ching in T-League and took it really hard:


Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Down but not out.  Mima Ito gets back on her feet earlier today with a convincing 3-0 win over Shibata in TLeague earlier today:


Happy to see her winning and smiling again.  It would have been devastating having a 2nd loss going into the Contender Amman. 

That T.League weekend was really a rollercoaster of emotions for Ito such that the TV Tokyo Table Tennis Youtube channel even posted a special video entitled "[Tearful revenge] Mima Ito "It's been a long time since I won and cried." From Bitter Tears to Happy Tears"

The loss against CIC was particularly tough and understandable: (1) Red Elf is in 4th place and is in danger of missing the playoffs. It needed a win against 3rd place Top Nagoya to strengthen their chances of making the playoffs (only the top 3 regular season teams make it) (2) Ito was up 4-0 and 7-4 in the VM, so she was in a good position to win. She lost like 3 or 4 points to lucky net balls towards the end of the game, so I think the way she lost where she blew a decent lead was hard to take. (3) Compounding this loss on top of her early exit in the All Japan added salt to her wounds (4) Ito rarely loses to non-Chinese foreigners and takes these losses harder than most. 

I've never seen Ito break down in tears before even reaching the bench to sit down after a loss. Ito seems to be the type to cry and express her sadness by herself, but this time, she shared and expressed her sadness with her teammates and with the coaching staff right after the loss. Kudos to her teammates and the coaching staff for effectively consoling her, and I feel that their support lifted Ito's morale for the next day's match. Against Shibata, Ito's serve and receive game was on point. Shibata couldn't return Ito's serves and had difficult dealing with her variations. Ito was also keeping up in the rallies and made few mistakes. 

It's also a rare occasion to see Ito in tears after a Victory, especially during her matches from 2019 onwards (Olympic Games XD QF being the only exception). From 2019 onwards, Ito has often been very tempered and mellow in her victory celebrations (See 2019 All Japan, 2020 Top 12, 2021 OG Bronze Medal, 2022 All Japan, 2022, 2nd Road to Paris Trials, and all the WTT Contenders and Star Contenders Ito has won so far) Judging Ito's current reactions, it's clear the situation she's facing now feels a lot different from that in 2019-2022. In a way, it's refreshing to see Ito openly express these emotions to remind us that despite being a professional, at the end of the day, she's still human like all of us.

An Interesting note: Matsusaki, Ito's personal coach, wasn't on the bench on both days. Ito was mainly receiving advice from Murakami. I wonder if Coach Matsusaki will be on Ito's bench in Amman.

It must feel really good for Mima to have won over CIC at Contender Amman.  And it was definitely not easy ... 11-9 in the 5th.  A single T-League win doesn't mean much, but CIC's put together a string of impressive wins since the month of December including wins over Nagasaki, Hayata, and Ito.  She also had an impressive win over Shin Yubin at Contender Doha.  So although Mima's win was expected ranking wise, that's a really good win over CIC in context.  It's strange to see Ito without coach Matsusaki in her corner.  It does leave us wondering if they've parted ways.  Sometimes change is good.  Hirano definitely has done better ever since she got a new coach and new team.
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Omikuji: Less is more.


http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1137485&title=wttc-2023-hayata-ito-hirano-kihara-nagasaki#1137485
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Visiting the shrine didn't help. I wonder what the omikuji says.
https://erecipe.woman.excite.co.jp/article/Hanakotokyo_354565/


Edited by zeio - 02/11/2023 at 9:36am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Points for WTTC Continental Stage now properly included in the latest update. Points for WTT FEE reduced.

https://www.ittf.com/2023/02/13/ittf-executive-board-announces-updates-world-ranking-regulations/
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/ITTF-Table-Tennis-World-Ranking-Regulations-20230213.pdf
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/ITTF-Table-Tennis-Youth-Ranking-Regulations-20230213.pdf
Quote Some of the significant changes involves the increase in points awarded for the initial round of WTT Grand Smash events up to the Round of 64 category. These events’ qualification draws can pose a challenge for players who are ranked between #50 and #120. ITTF Executive Board believes that this increase in points for the qualifying rounds will serve as a fair recognition of the efforts made by the qualified players.

The updated regulations also include the reduction of points awarded for WTT Feeder events. The current 150 points had become a significant incentive for top players to participate in these events, which had a negative impact on lower-level players. To address this issue and to offer more opportunities for lower-level players of getting an entry, the points for winners of WTT Feeder events will be reduced from 150 to 125, and similarly for finalists, semi-finalists, and quarterfinalists.

These are some of the changes that are part of the updated World Ranking Regulations. These changes have been made to provide a more balanced and fair ranking system for all participants and to ensure the rankings are an accurate representation of the current level of players in our sport.


http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1136802
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1136808
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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The rationale for the reduction of Feeder points is a little far-fetched. Why did they even raise them from 100 to 150 in 2022? There were simply not enough Star Contender and Contender events and the PDR rule made things worse.

2023 (tentative)
1 GS
1 CS
3 SCT
8 CT
7 FEE

2022
1 GS
1 CF
2 CS
2 SCT
8 CT
11 FEE

2021
2 SCT
5 CT
1 FEE

Edited by zeio - 02/28/2023 at 4:51am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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ITO Jyota is at it again with another article, questioning the seeding for the tournament brackets. Needless to say, Ishikawa is the first example to be cited.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/byline/itojota/20230213-00336712










Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

ITO Jyota didn't disappoint, this time taking aim at Kihara and defending Ishikawa and Shibata, while conveniently ignoring the latter two's international win rate for the Paris 2024 period, which happen to be the lowest among the top 8.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/byline/itojota/20230207-00335815



Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Oh, it is, no matter how it gets downplayed. ITO Jyota even uses the fact that Hayata and Ishikawa being in the same quarter at Lion Cup due to the the fixed draw as the root cause for Ishikawa missing out on WTTC 2022 and subsequently WTTC 2023. Questionable logic, but the way he breaks down the points gained by the leading players is just another form of H2H.



The bottom line? Only Ito and Hirano have managed to beat Hayata so far. Only Hirano has managed to beat Ito and Hayata in the same tournament so far. Only Hayata, among the top 6 in leaderboard plus Harimoto, has yet to beat Ito. She had the chance to beat Hirano, Ito, and Ishikawa consecutively at Zennoh Cup Fukuoka when "her table tennis was totally different". Can she manage it at the upcoming Zennihon Takkyu 2023? If not, she will remain merely the "leading player" in points.

A breakdown of the domestic encounters for the top 3 since the race started:
Hayata vs
Shibata - 1 time (Lion Cup R16 4-1)
Ishikawa - 1 time (Lion Cup QF 4-3)
Kihara - 3 times (Lion Cup SF 4-2; Nojima Cup SF 4-0; Zennoh Cup Funabashi SF 4-2)
Nagasaki - 2 times (Lion Cup F 4-3, Zennoh Cup Fukuoka 3rd-4th 4-2)
Hirano - 3 times (Nojima Cup F 4-1; Zennoh Cup Fukuoka QF 4-0; Zennoh Cup Funabashi F 2-4)
Ito - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Fukuoka SF 3-4)
Harimoto - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Funabashi QF 4-2)

Ito vs
Harimoto - 2 times (Lion Cup R16 4-1; Zennoh Cup Funabashi 5th-6th 1-4)
Nagasaki - 1 time (Lion Cup QF 2-4)
Hashimoto - 1 time (Lion Cup 5th-8th 4-1)
Ishikawa - 3 times (Lion Cup 5th-6th W/O win; Nojima Cup R16 4-2; Zennoh Cup Fukuoka F 4-0)
Kato - 2 times (Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp A 4-0; Zennoh Cup Fukuoka QF 4-1)
Hashimoto - 1 time (Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp A 4-0)
Kihara - 1 time (Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp A 2-4)
Shibata - 1 time (Nojima Cup QF 3-4)
Hayata - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Fukuoka SF 4-3)
Hirano - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Funabashi QF 0-4)
Sato - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Funabashi 5th-8th 4-2)

Hirano vs
Kihara - 2 times (Lion Cup QF 2-4; Asian Games 2022 Trial F 4-0)
Ishikawa - 2 times (Lion Cup 5th-8th 3-4; Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp B 4-0)
Hashimoto - 1 time (Lion Cup 7th-8th 0-4)
Namba - 1 time (Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp B 4-1)
Sato - 1 time (Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp B 4-2)
Shibata - 2 times (Nojima Cup SF 4-1; Zennoh Cup Funabashi SF 4-2)
Hayata - 3 times (Nojima Cup F 1-4; Zennoh Cup Fukuoka QF 0-4; Zennoh Cup Funabashi F 4-2)
Mori - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Fukuoka R16 4-1)
Kato - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Fukuoka 5th-8th 3-4)
Hashimoto - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Fukuoka 7th-8th 2-4)
Yokoi - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Funabashi R16 4-3)
Ito - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Funabashi QF 4-0)


Edited by zeio - 02/13/2023 at 10:47am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Selection criteria for Road to Paris #5 released today.
https://jtta.or.jp/news/11651
https://jtta.s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/14141011/2024olympic_selection_road5.pdf

Unlike the first 4, it's limited to 16 players - top 8 from Road to Paris #4 and top 8 in the player standings 30 days ahead qualify. In case of ties, the 2023/4 NT/NT reserve rosters will be used to break the ties. In case less than 16 players qualify, the remaining spots will be filled by, in order of priority, the 2023/4 NT/NT reserve rosters, and then the 2023/4 JNT/JNT reserve rosters, and then recommendation of development headquarters.

As of 2023/2/12,



Edited by zeio - 02/14/2023 at 8:01am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/15/2023 at 2:29am
ITO Jyota was asked to give the same analysis on the men's and so he did but couldn't find anything unfair about it...LOL

https://twitter.com/ItoJota1964/status/1622861223686725632


Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

ITO Jyota didn't disappoint, this time taking aim at Kihara and defending Ishikawa and Shibata, while conveniently ignoring the latter two's international win rate for the Paris 2024 period, which happen to be the lowest among the top 8.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/byline/itojota/20230207-00335815



Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Oh, it is, no matter how it gets downplayed. ITO Jyota even uses the fact that Hayata and Ishikawa being in the same quarter at Lion Cup due to the the fixed draw as the root cause for Ishikawa missing out on WTTC 2022 and subsequently WTTC 2023. Questionable logic, but the way he breaks down the points gained by the leading players is just another form of H2H.



The bottom line? Only Ito and Hirano have managed to beat Hayata so far. Only Hirano has managed to beat Ito and Hayata in the same tournament so far. Only Hayata, among the top 6 in leaderboard plus Harimoto, has yet to beat Ito. She had the chance to beat Hirano, Ito, and Ishikawa consecutively at Zennoh Cup Fukuoka when "her table tennis was totally different". Can she manage it at the upcoming Zennihon Takkyu 2023? If not, she will remain merely the "leading player" in points.

A breakdown of the domestic encounters for the top 3 since the race started:
Hayata vs
Shibata - 1 time (Lion Cup R16 4-1)
Ishikawa - 1 time (Lion Cup QF 4-3)
Kihara - 3 times (Lion Cup SF 4-2; Nojima Cup SF 4-0; Zennoh Cup Funabashi SF 4-2)
Nagasaki - 2 times (Lion Cup F 4-3, Zennoh Cup Fukuoka 3rd-4th 4-2)
Hirano - 3 times (Nojima Cup F 4-1; Zennoh Cup Fukuoka QF 4-0; Zennoh Cup Funabashi F 2-4)
Ito - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Fukuoka SF 3-4)
Harimoto - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Funabashi QF 4-2)

Ito vs
Harimoto - 2 times (Lion Cup R16 4-1; Zennoh Cup Funabashi 5th-6th 1-4)
Nagasaki - 1 time (Lion Cup QF 2-4)
Hashimoto - 1 time (Lion Cup 5th-8th 4-1)
Ishikawa - 3 times (Lion Cup 5th-6th W/O win; Nojima Cup R16 4-2; Zennoh Cup Fukuoka F 4-0)
Kato - 2 times (Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp A 4-0; Zennoh Cup Fukuoka QF 4-1)
Hashimoto - 1 time (Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp A 4-0)
Kihara - 1 time (Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp A 2-4)
Shibata - 1 time (Nojima Cup QF 3-4)
Hayata - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Fukuoka SF 4-3)
Hirano - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Funabashi QF 0-4)
Sato - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Funabashi 5th-8th 4-2)

Hirano vs
Kihara - 2 times (Lion Cup QF 2-4; Asian Games 2022 Trial F 4-0)
Ishikawa - 2 times (Lion Cup 5th-8th 3-4; Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp B 4-0)
Hashimoto - 1 time (Lion Cup 7th-8th 0-4)
Namba - 1 time (Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp B 4-1)
Sato - 1 time (Asian Games 2022 Trial Grp B 4-2)
Shibata - 2 times (Nojima Cup SF 4-1; Zennoh Cup Funabashi SF 4-2)
Hayata - 3 times (Nojima Cup F 1-4; Zennoh Cup Fukuoka QF 0-4; Zennoh Cup Funabashi F 4-2)
Mori - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Fukuoka R16 4-1)
Kato - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Fukuoka 5th-8th 3-4)
Hashimoto - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Fukuoka 7th-8th 2-4)
Yokoi - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Funabashi R16 4-3)
Ito - 1 time (Zennoh Cup Funabashi QF 4-0)
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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https://www.sanspo.com/article/20230214-DEVVHNIKUVONBODZIV2IBSUDWY/
Quote 卓球女子の2024年パリ五輪の�£表選考レースはすでに始ま�£ており、早田は現在、224ポイントで、2位の木原美悠(エリートアカデミー)の156ポイントを大きく上回�£て首位に立�£ている。

それでも、「最終目標はパリ五輪に出ることではなく、そこで金メダルを取ること。選考レースの中で進化していきたい」と強調。「結果としては追われる立場ではあると思うけど、自分の中では、1位にいるという感覚はない。どの選手とやるときもチ�£レンジ�£ー」と力を込めた。
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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5ch users react to Hayata's comment about aiming for gold medal at Paris 2024. Most aren't that optimistic, but reply 334 points out that XD is the event with the best odds.

https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1675696428/330-
330名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 08:18:34.24ID:g9B8jypO
パリ五輪は出る事じゃなくて金メダルが目標
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/26e4966e1937276b6ca396f0465e55205f53926e

331名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 08:28:16.07ID:OypAwiDq>>341
金メダルか…
女子はどうや�£ても不可能な気がするんだよな今の中国女子なんて男とや�£てるようなもんだし…

332名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 08:30:28.79ID:AFpuNJP0
黄金世�£3人で出れば話題性抜群だよな
個人的にはこの3人でパリは出て欲しいわ

333名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 08:31:47.49ID:xG6W4DRH
五輪未経験者が金メダルと言わないといけないのはすごく危険である

334名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 08:35:18.11ID:9fepOdfW>>350
早田は全日本混合ダブルスで優勝した時、水谷伊藤ペアの
金メダルを受け継ぐと言�£てたから混合ダブルスは1番可能性
は有るんじゃないのかな?

335名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 09:18:16.58ID:TLBYyTtC
早田は中学の時から五輪で金て言�£てたじゃん 夢は高く現実は厳しい

336名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 09:28:35.78ID:ubk1ODrJ
王孫、合宿でミックスめちゃくちゃ練習しててこえーよー
あと馬龍ゆめちんがペアにな�£てて草 見たい�£すねー

337名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 09:38:02.00ID:oQ7/IS9o>>342
五輪病、金メダル病なんだろうな
張本も東京五輪で金、金ほざいてたなあ
世界選手権でベスト4行�£た事もワールドツアープレミアで優勝した事すらないくせに
免許持�£てないのにF1で優勝すると�£言してるのと同じバカ

338名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 10:18:13.14ID:iGf8XNbR
今世間で迷惑掛けてる若者のバカッターよりし�£かりしてるぞ。(親の躾の差なんかなぁ。)

342名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 12:18:10.35ID:FOhjt4J2>>344
>>337
他競技のある選手がバラしていたけど、金メダル�£て言うまで何回も質問してくるそうだね

(記者)今後の目標は? ―(選手)五輪で実力を出し切りたいです。
五輪での具体的な目標を聞かせてください。―出来ればメダル獲得が目標です。
何色のメダルが希望ですか?―一番いい色の。
それは何色ですか?―うーん、や�£ぱり金メダルですね。
○○選手は複数種目に出場なさいますが、それらも含めての目標は?―全種目でメダル獲得が最大の目標です。
それぞれメダルの色は?―はい、金メダルなら最高ですね。
では改めて聞かせてください。全種目?―はい、全種目で金メダルを獲りたいです。
ありがとうございました。頑張�£てください。

で、テレビで流されたのは最後の部分だけだ�£たそうです。

344名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 12:35:18.77ID:l6Nvttma
>>342
金 金 �£てのはマスコミに言わせられてるよね。
張本も自分への手紙�£てので�£直に書いてた。
金の可能性は1%もない ゼロだ�£て。
でも、インタビューでは メダル メダル と
言わなきゃならない。
辛いもんがあるよね。

350名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 17:44:19.87ID:Nw8m6WPT>>351
>>334
王孫ペアには1ゲームも取れてないのに?
競�£てすらいないじゃない

351名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 18:12:40.47ID:QpcNePbG>>360
混合ダブルス>>350
は2022年7月16日の決勝で
早田張本ペア2vs3王王ペアと対戦して負けて準優勝🏆

360名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/15(水) 22:04:06.57ID:Nw8m6WPT
>>351
あのとき女性の方の王が怪我しててシングルス�£�権してたよね?
2-0で勝�£てたのに結局逆転負けですよ

Edited by zeio - 02/15/2023 at 1:53pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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卓球・篠塚大登、五輪「左」の後継者へ チキータに自信
卓球ニッポン 期待の10�£(上)
https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQODH309GF0Q3A130C2000000/
Quote 田勢�£�£は篠塚について「とても力をつけてきた」としつつ、やや安定志向のスタイルだと指摘。「一発で流れを変えられるボールが欲しい」とさらなる�£�躍を求める。

篠塚自身も全日本2�£覇の戸上隼輔(明大)に準決勝で惜敗した直後には「(一定の)結果を残せて自信にな�£たが、まだ実力が足りない。ラリー中にバックハンドでも�£と攻めたい」と話していた。得点パターンが増えれば、初出場となる5月の世界選手権個人戦(南アフリカ)での上位進出が見えてくる。


卓球・木原美悠、パリ切符へ「第2グループ」抜け出す
卓球ニッポン 期待の10�£(下)
https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQODH309I90Q3A130C2000000/
Quote 第一人者の石川佳純(全農)に東京五輪で3つのメダルを獲得した伊藤美誠(スターツ)、平野美宇(木下グループ)、パリ選考レースを独走する早田――。国際大会での戦歴で�£り、長く「第2グループ」に甘んじてきたが、初出場した昨秋の世界選手権�£体戦(中国)が大きな転機にな�£たという。

伊藤や早田らとともに主力として起用されて銀メダル獲得に貢献した一方、第1試合を任された中国との決勝戦では東京五輪2冠の陳夢にストレート負けした。「自分のプレーを全然させてくれなか�£た。実力不足を感じた」とさらに高い山を目の当たりにして奮起。昨年末の世界ユース選手権シングルス(19歳以下)では別の中国人選手らを破�£て初優勝した。

世界選手権を含む長期遠征から羽田空港に疲労困憊(こんぱい)で帰国した翌日、福井県でのTリーグに強行出場したこともある。今�£から勝利が五輪選考ポイントに加算されるためで、「五輪に向けては1点が本当に重要。1試合でも出たい」と貪欲に語る。「(国内の)トップ選手や中国人選手は凡ミスをしない。(自分が勝つために)何十倍も努力したい」。真�£すぐな思いを原動力にもう一段上のステージを目指す。


Edited by zeio - 02/16/2023 at 9:43am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Ito sheds light on playing alone.

伊藤美誠 今�£国際大会初V「野生の本能で戦�£ていた自分を取り戻したい」ベンチコーチ不在の理由
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/02/027257.html?s=09
Quote しかし、その一方で気にな�£たのは専属の松﨑太佑コーチがベンチにいなか�£たことだ。現地で体調でも崩したのだろうか? 

だが、真相は違�£た。伊藤本人の希望で松﨑コーチはあえてベンチから外れたというのだ。

 伊藤の考えはこうだ。「小さい頃、野生の本能で戦�£ていた自分を取り戻したい」


Edited by zeio - 02/17/2023 at 2:24am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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https://youtu.be/lP6UtMxfqs0


No Hirano, but Nagasaki?? 
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No Ishikawa, no Hirano. IIRC, the pair's first debut was WTTC 2017 after Mika Baba disbanded the Miu-Mima pair. Had Ishikawa qualified for WS, there is a fair chance JTTA would still opt for Ishikawa/Hirano over Kihara/Nagasaki.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78106&PID=966382&title=2017-wttc-germany-may-29jun-5#966382
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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https://tleague.jp/schedule/detail.php?id=604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKRjXdzXZ60


Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Mori & Hayata: Take it easy, Mima-chan. We're playing the leagues just for fun (and money).

To see Ito trying so hard in a USELESS league match (.5 pts, FFS) like that is disheartening.

What kind of selection system would let OUTSIDE FORCES be a FACTOR?
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Ishida thought Hayata had a greater-than-50% chance of winning Zennihon Takkyu 2023, compared to 30% for Zennihon Takkyu 2020 when she was a challenger.

OTOH, Hayata stressed that her ultimate goal is not to play at Paris 2024, but to beat China to win gold.

https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/67880
Quote ベンチに入�£た石田大輔コーチは「初優勝の時は挑戦者としての戦いで、優勝の確率は30%くらいはあると思�£てたが、今回は50%以上のチ�£ンスがあると思�£ていた。ひなの技術を出し切ることで優勝したし、本物の強さだなと感じました」と全日本を振り返る。

「ここから選考ポイントも倍になるし、より気を引き締めて頑張らないといけないし、他の選手も私に勝つための対策も立ててくると思います。そこで立ち向かうというよりも、私も全日本の反省を生かして、も�£とも�£と進化していきたい。自分のペースで進化しながらその途中で試合を行�£ていく、そして、そこで出た課題を反省して練習をして、それを積み重ねながら走り続けていくのかなと思います。私の目標はパリオリンピックの出場ではなくて、パリオリンピックで中国選手に勝�£て金メダルを獲ることが最終目標です。
パリオリンピックに入�£た時にすべてを消化しき�£てコートに立つのではも�£たいない。選考レースのような大事な試合の中でも常に進化することを忘れてはいけない。常に自分自身が自信を持�£て練習をしたり、試合をしていれば自然と結果はついてくる」(早田)。


Edited by zeio - 02/22/2023 at 11:13am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/20/2023 at 2:30am
5ch comments never disappoint.

https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1676720189/48-
44名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/19(日) 14:33:07.28ID:A+UPxCsD>>59
伊藤がハオシュアイ化してるじゃん
Ito is turning into Hao Shuai.

52名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/19(日) 14:38:07.50ID:A+UPxCsD
伊藤死ね!
テメーはどんだけロビングの打ちミスして勝ち試合を大逆転負けしてんだよ
伊藤死ね!
テメーのせいで日生はプレーオフ行けなくな�£たんだからな
伊藤死ね!
Die, Ito!
The one who missed that loose ball and lost a winning match
Die, Ito!
Because of you, Nissay can't get to the playoff.
Die, Ito!

59名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!!2023/02/19(日) 14:40:29.43ID:20XNN1Z3
>>44
バウム早田とハオシュアイ伊藤
Balm Hayata and Hao Shuai Ito
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/68235
Quote 「今年1年が挑戦の年になる。そこで大きくステップアップできたら、張本を超えられる可能性もあると思�£ています。今年、彼を超えられるようになりたい」「国内でしか勝てないと思われるのが悔しい。世界で勝てる選手になりたい」
パリ五輪の切符を狙う21歳の戸上隼輔。「全日本優勝」によ�£て、スタートダッシュをかけた2023年。それは五輪へのテイクオフだ。(卓球王国最新号・4月号より抜粋)

Togami: "This year will be a year of challenges. If I can make a big step up there, I think there is a possibility that I can surpass Harimoto. I want to be able to surpass him this year." "It is frustrating to be seen as someone who can only win domestically. I want to become a player who can win in the world."

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92795&PID=1137806&title=wtt-contender-amman-2023-2-612#1137806
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Mori & Hayata: Take it easy, Mima-chan. We're playing the leagues just for fun (and money).

To see Ito trying so hard in a USELESS league match (.5 pts, FFS) like that is disheartening.

What kind of selection system would let OUTSIDE FORCES be a FACTOR?

Finally got to watch the February 19, 2023 T.League Match between Nissay Red Elf and Kyoto Kaguyalyze.

This short 30-second GIF/Video perfectly encapsulates zeio's above comment. This was taken right after the match. Mori and Hayata are seen trying to cheer Ito up, but Ito couldn't bring herself to crack a smile.

Seems that Ito is having a hard time maintaining leads during Victory Matches (VM). To refresh our memory, Ito previously led 4-0 and 7-4 against CIC in a VM before losing the match 9-11. This time, she had a 7-1 lead against Yuan Xuejiao but couldn't convert a win. 8 of the 10 points that Ito went on to lose from that point on were missed FH shots (3-4 of which were forehand smash chance balls that Ito normally makes) In Ito's VM win against Odo on November 26, 2022, Ito also had a 6-2 lead before it became 7-7.

I have seen some people liken a VM to a lottery since there's more variability in a one game match, and there's probably some truth to that since it sometimes seems that the "favorites" tend to lose more often in the VM. This season Ito has 1W and 2L, T. Harimoto is at 0W-2L (3L if you count Harimoto's Golden Match loss vs. Kallberg in the ETTU Champions League SF, which is essentially a VM). Hirano lost her only VM this season against Ando and her two VM opportunities in the previous seasons against Kato and Samara. 

However, there are also some players who thrive in the VM. Hayata is at 14W and 2L over 5 seasons while Hao Shuai is at 7W and 2L in his 2 seasons. Rather than saying the VM is a lottery that is left entirely to chance, I would say that a VM simply has a different feeling to it such that excelling in BO5 and BO7 matches, does not necessarily translate to excelling in BO1 matches especially if you are new to the VM format. Kazuki Hamada played two victory matches during the Feb. 11 to Feb. 12 weekend. On Saturday against Hao Shuai, he blew an 8-1 lead and on Sunday against Sone, he blew a 10-4 lead. Maybe the same wouldn't have happened had these not been VMs.

Nissay Red Elf now need either Nippon Paint or Top Nagoya to lose both their last two matches to qualify for the playoffs and defend their championship streak. It may be easy for Ito to feel that's she responsible since she's the main change to Nissay from the previous 4 seasons and she lost 2 crucial VMs. However, at the end of the day, it's a team effort and you need 3 match losses to lose the team tie. The lack of a left-hander outside of Hayata limited Nissay in doubles and the lack of bench depth made them more susceptible to player unavailability due to overlaps with international competition scheduling.

An interesting note: Coach Matsuzaki was still absent from Ito's bench in her two T.League games last week so it seems Ito is still sticking with the strategy of having Matsuzaki concentrate on video analysis and only giving her advice before and after matches. It's nice to see that 1. Matsuzaki is healthy and 2. He and Ito haven't parted ways.


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Originally posted by apacible apacible wrote:

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Nissay Red Elf now need either Nippon Paint or Top Nagoya to lose both their last two matches to qualify for the playoffs and defend their championship streak. It may be easy for Ito to feel that's she responsible since she's the main change to Nissay from the previous 4 seasons and she lost 2 crucial VMs. However, at the end of the day, it's a team effort and you need 3 match losses to lose the team tie. The lack of a left-hander outside of Hayata limited Nissay in doubles and the lack of bench depth made them more susceptible to player unavailability due to overlaps with international competition scheduling.
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Top Nagoya won their match, but Nippon Paint Maretz lost to Kyushu Asteeda.  So if read this correctly, the winner of today's Red Elf/Maretz match up goes to the playoffs.  The pressure is on.
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RedElf needs to win over Maretz with 3-1 or 4-0. Win with 3-2 won't make it and Maretz goes to PO.

In other words, RedElf can't lose 2 matches in final event.
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Originally posted by Kappa Kappa wrote:

RedElf needs to win over Maretz with 3-1 or 4-0. Win with 3-2 won't make it and Maretz goes to PO.

In other words, RedElf can't lose 2 matches in final event.
Thanks for the clarification!

Lineup is:

Saki Shibata/Satsuki Odo vs Akae Natsuho/Hayata Hina
Sakura Yokoi vs Hina Hayata
Kotona Okada vs Mima Ito
Satsuki Odo vs Mori Sakura

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Totally unrelated, but 9 yr old Misora Matsushima won the 1st 2 games from seasoned pro Minami Ando of Top Nagoya before Ando came back to win 3-2.  It's only a matter of time before the 9 year old wins her 1st T League match.
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