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Tenergy 25 or Bryce speed with Plastic Ball |
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bokai
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Posted: 02/25/2019 at 7:19pm |
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Hi All,
I am struggling to decide which rubber to use on the forehand. I currently use a very low throw, fast and bouncy all wood blade (Cornilleau Absolom). I like to drive, counter, block and smash during rallies on FH and against backspin open up with a loop. I currently use Bryce speed on forehand and although this rubber was made for the strokes I mentioned during rallies it becomes inconsistent when opponents start to flat hit or punch to my FH because of the low throw of bryce speed and my blade. Should I get use to bryce speed? Or switch Tenergy 25? I would like to hear all your opinons! :) |
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anubhav1984
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I know the exact issue that you are talking about as I used to hit into this very often. There are two things that need to be done - 1. For a flat hit, you need to open the racket angle a bit more and then use a sort of upward motion on contact to have the ball land on the other side. 2. For a flat out block that is just punched back, I would try to use a more open angled racket face to counter drive the ball back. The key is the angle of the racket face when you contact the ball and the touch at the time of contact. Also, try and analyse the balls that players are able to flat hit back. Are those lacking spin that you can perhaps focus on and add? I tend to flat hit a lot of slow topspin balls myself and the thing that drives my consistency off is the spin mix in these shots.
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Skyline
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switch to Tenergy 05, I used that for 3.5 years on a Gergely and Primorac Carbon for the exact style you mentioned, loop the first ball and than smash all the rest. The High throw Angle combined with a low throw and hard blade is a perfect combo. Great for blocking and smashing.
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ericd937
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T80 is better than T05 for smashing and blocking.
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Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
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bokai
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Thank you all for ur opinons! I thought T80 and T05 was too sensitive to spin to good for smashing and blocking?
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vanjr
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Going from what you say is a low throw rubber to T05 which is a very high throw rubber seems extreme and could mess up the rest of your game to fix one technique fixable situation. (I always think you pick your rubber based on your main game play, not on the exceptions).
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bokai
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I agree. I love to drive, counter, block and smash thats why I use bryce speed. However, on a low throw hard blade it is very inconsistent if someone flat hits to my fh. I suppose its just a matter getting use to and adjusting? But how much can I adjust my technique to suit this rubber. Perhaps T25 is a better rubber for what I am looking for?
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tom
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if you want to stick to Btfy then T25. I used your mentioned blade last night with a 729 Battle II Prov commercial on FH and absolutely killed the flat smashes. it has good dwell/topspin also when required.
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koshkin
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If you stay close to the table, T25 is going to work better than Bryce Speed most likely.
You have to be able to brush the ball on the opener, but if you can do that, it makes a ton of spin for a consistent and dangerous opening loop. Then you can drive the next ball. ILya
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Skyline
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I don't about the OP skill level and previous rubbers he used on forehand. Me however a flat hitter of 2300 USATT definitely knows what he is talking about. I have used bryce highspeed for a few months coming from Tenergy 05/64 on the backhand. And yes there is a difference but for a skilled player definitely not difficult to overcome. I however switched back to Tenergy since backhand openers and chiquita were a lot less effective. Tenergy or any other high throw rubber (gambler outlaw is a great example) too works great for a flat hitting game on a fast low throw blade. |
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Skyline
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Believe me go with T05
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Lightzy
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T05
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ericd937
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He already said no to T05 guys.
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Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
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bokai
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Wouldn't T05 be too sensitive to spin to smash and block consistently tho? |
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Skyline
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bokai check your pm
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MydasDiablo
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This is subjective, as always, based on the way you hit the ball and your standard, as well as that of the person commenting. With the context set, bearing in mind I am probably USATT 2000-2200 depending on the day, I have found MX-P and Rhyzm 48 to be superior flat hitting rubbers by some distance compared to T05. Rhyzm is more towards Bryce in feel i.e. More speed than spin but this means it is easier to hit through opponents spin without as much concentration on bat angle to compensate for their spin. Downside for Rhyzm compared to MX-P is less spin on the open up, serves etc. MX-P is a beast smashing rubber, and it spins nearly as well as T05 too on brush loops using just the topsheet. The extra grip does mean you have to close the face a little more though when smashing through your opponents spinny loops. I myself I am considering going back to Rhyzm from MX-P as the clicky speed glue feeling was awesome and it was so easy to just hit through everything. I am getting frustrated with the lack of advantage gained by using a spinny rubber as the players in my league (mostly USATT 2200-2500 at a guess) aren't fussed by spin at all, the only way through them is placement and/or power, both of which Rhyzm is great at.
A forum member sells Rhyzm for a very respectable 32USD a sheet here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/promotion-for-blades-and-rubbers-update_topic80315.html In the future, I would also recommend a blade with Tamca 5000 Carbon in it, then you can hit through any spin coming your way.
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bokai
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Which carbon blade do u recommend? |
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MydasDiablo
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Coming from all-wood, probably the Innerforce T-5000 if you can find one.
It's Limba-Limba-T5000-Ayous-T5000-Limba-Limba I think. Softer open ups using just the limba outer plies, then dish out the smack down on 3/5/7th ball hitting through to activate the carbon. A guy in my league plays with this blade and none of us can return his drives because they are so fast and the trajectory so shallow on the table after the bounce.
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ericd937
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I have a t5000/hinoki blade I could sell you if you're interested.
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Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
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Skyline
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I would recommend Primorac carbon T5000 this one is very fast but the control is very good. It's slightly slower than a the Gergely carbon which is also amazing.
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bokai
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Interesting blade choices! However, I am happy with my blade but unsettled with my FH rubber D:.
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Lightzy
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Probably T80 then?
Bryce speed, I think, is a much better rubber than T25 in almost every way. I suppose I never got the point of the 25. |
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MydasDiablo
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TSP Super Ventus is worth a look if you are considering T80, much cheaper and just as effective, cool clicking sound on impact too.
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bokai
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I am sort of biased against other rubbers and only use butterfly rubbers on FH. Im currently contemplating between T25 and T05. I think Bryce speed with the D40+ ball is not good due to its lack of grip for all the shots.
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